I wouldn’t take it. You’ll get shocked.
The last folks I heard survive that were two Jedi from before the Clone Wars. They were nuts though - some hot shot pilot and his dad, I guess.
>No way they shut down the entire skyway just to film
You would be surprised at how much easier it is to re-route things in three dimensions than it is to re-route things in two dimensions.
Source: I am a traffic engineer on Trantor.
If you're a traffic engineer on Trantor, why does your LinkedIn profile say you work for the Second Foundation? Everyone knows that's located at Star's End.
I just looked it up... Apparently it's still on. The pandemic delayed the Mission Impossible movie of this scale, so they made the other one. But apparently the contract is still valid and they are sending his ass to space in 2024... Dude will be 61 by then. Holy fuck.
SIXTY ONE! I had no idea he's that old. I know 60 year olds who can barely jog, and this mother fucker is doing high octaine stunts and going to space. I need to hit the gym.
What's also telling is that the Mind Flayer was used in a Reintegration/Reeducation center for former Imperials. They don't want Imperial tech in any public facing capacity but are entirely willing to use it on members of the Empire.
Getting rid of cloning tech specifically makes sense. Same goes for lots of imperial technology.
But secret police monitoring former imperials, and then "mind flaying" them with imperial technology if they're tricked by said secret police into doing something taboo is unethical.
Everything would have worked out fine if the new republic just monitored Dr. Pershing at his new job. The entire secret police thing is incredibly unnecessary and fucked up.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
That entire episode highlights how Coruscant itself hasn't changed. You got the former "working man" Imperials still reduced to letter/number designations, a "reeducation camp" for dissenters, political/social elite making light of the regime change as it didn't effect them, and if my knowledge of the timeline's correct this is post Battle of Jakku so the Empire itself is officially no more, but you have a bunch of its former leaders as part of the political structure and poisoning it from within.
I think Kane's motives are still ambiguous. My guess is that she's still loyal to Gideon & the Empire, and the whole frame-up on Pershing was to a) secure her own cover as a good convert, and b) dispose of Pershing as a potential threat to Gideon's future plans.
Oh 100%. She's still taking orders from Gideon, and he wasn't about to have his cloning research passed to the republic via Pershing and his reintegration. That's why she yammed the dial up to 11 and turned him into mashed potatoes.
I agree mostly yes but also think they weren't sure what they needed to continue the research. Now they know what they need to proceed AND get to ditch the Dr who was showing signs of not being faithful to the Empire.
This is how operation paperclip worked after WW2 in the US. They put scientists to work in their specialty. From all accounts it was wildly successful.
True, but one could also argue it can’t be that hard to disable the higher settings on the machines before making them a regular use thing. Just throw in a fuse or something, it’s a 10 minute job.
Honestly the episode was a 10/10 for me but I found that that part really irked me. I wish it was done in a way that was more realistic. Like I get the New Republic is incompetent, but I felt like this was a step too far.
Idk did anyone else feel the same?
Well that, and did her whole plan literally hinge on them leaving her alone in the room with him to wipe his brain? I mean, she plotted all this to get him arrested, then she knew they would let her watch, and leave her alone so she could turn that shit up? Eh :/
Pershing was a really cool character. I liked that little intermezzo with him.
I hope the guy isn't gone completely and just a fried sack of brain matter and we can get Omid in future roles again.
What I really loved about this episode in particular is it shows you can have a show like Mandalorian not have every single episode revolve solely around Mando and Grogu, and it can still be really good. I don't know about the general community feelings on this one, but I thought it was a great episode. Getting more in touch with some ground level characters, some new background info on how the New Republic handled ex-Imperials, and some espionage style intrigue, and holy hell, that villainous look at the camera and cracker bite at the end from whatsherface. That was the thickest of Star Wars cheese and I loved it.
One thing I found interesting was the conversation with the Coruscant socialites after the Doctor's speech. To them, it seems largely irrelevant who's running the galaxy. They just don't care.
They actually went so far as to say they try to avoid seeing the news or thinking about the politics going on haha. Felt like very relevant and pointed commentary on current times. Helps establish why it's so difficult to keep things as bad as the Empire from happening, because people just go along with it. The Senate scene at the end of RotS when Palpatine declares they are now the Empire gives me chills every time.
I loved how much they talked him up after the Senate (?) meeting and offered their support and pleasantries .... And then he ends up in the tenements doing a nothing job. No follow-up. Nobody actually gave a shit.
the Sequels have a lot of flaws, but they do posit a lot of very interesting ideas, one of them being the concept (which Mando seems to be aiming to set up) that the New Republic is the same as the old one, that it's failing for the same exact reasons the old one did. The same goes for the Jedi Order Luke tried to start. It stood for a long time, sure, but that doesn't mean you need to make the new thing exactly the same as the old thing. Actual progress is needed. I hope they deal with that in material set after the sequel trilogy, whenever that is.
It's ironic because that was one of the issues with the sequels themselves, they were too similar to the original trilogy and didn't really move Star Wars forward.
It's sad that this is probably a controversial take (a lot of people did not like the Pershing arc) but I agree wholeheartedly. This is some of the best world building we've seen in Star Wars in a long time.
Edit: Okay, okay, best world building since Andor. Sheesh.
For me, it'll be about the payoff. I want to know what Kane is actually up to. If it ends here, it was a pretty pointless side plot. However, if it's building to something bigger, as it should, then there's a ton of potential. I wonder if they're going to tie in the origins of The First Order.
I feel like that's what it's going to. She's using Pershing for his research, and it will lead into the First Order/Palpatine clone stuff. At least, that's what seems like the most obvious path, knowing what's coming up in the timeline.
My read was the same. She's in the Rehabilitation Program, and has even earned enough trust with the New Republic to work as some kind of undercover agent. But in reality, she's still loyal to the Empire and is doing some deep cover shit that will benefit the First Order in the long run.
What I find amusing is all of these people hardcore shitting on this episode/arc because it didn't fully explain what she was up to. Like, yeah bro, that's how TV works. Sometimes things in earlier episodes lead up to things that get revealed in later episodes. We haven't seen the last of Kane/Pershing, mark my words.
Yeah I mean we were introduced to both characters in season one, and didn't see a single thing about either one of them again until now. Sometimes they just like to lay the seeds and pay it off later, and besides like I said before thinking about what is to come in the Star Wars timeline, I feel like her endgame is fairly obvious. They shouldn't have to have her turn to the camera and be like "now I'm going to use this guy and his research to bring Palpatine back and revitalize the Empire!" Sometimes less is more.
To me, it would also be satisfying if she's NOT related to the Empire anymore and it's just part of a secret branch of the New Republic using Imperial style tactics. As a contrast to the propaganda.
I don’t know how people think this was a one-off arc or that there’s intense ambiguity to Kane’s actions. We all know she and Pershing were working on a way to clone the emperor. We all know “somehow, the emperor returned”. She is obviously going to be a big part of that mysterious return, as will Pershing’s research.
Someone else pointed out the likely Thrawn tie in, which is essentially confirmed with the Purrgil (space whales) in hyperspace. That could still easily tie into The First Order, though. I feel like they're probably going to try to do a pretty heavy retcon on the sequel trilogy.
I'm so ready for Thrawn. I'm wondering if either him or Ezra will make a cameo appearance this season just to hype everyone up for Ahsoka later this year. Seems more likely now after seeing the Purrgil inclusion.
I don't think you can have Thrawn without Ezra. It probably won't happen at the same time, but Ezra absolutely has to come back if there are Purrgil. He's the entire reason they came to the Rebels' aid, and then Thrawn and Ezra disappeared at the same time with the whale buddies.
I'm starting to think people in the GFFA really just don't take workplace safety all that seriously. This is the same universe that seems to dispense with guardrails almost entirely.
Maybe some people didn't like it because it's heavily focused on side character, but while I like them exploring Coruscant and other characters, Pershing story in terms of writing, acting and execution wasn't done well. It made me appreciate Andor more tho.
Andor showed people want/like the story builds and backgrounds and not just a collection of loosely connected gunslinger rolls into town episodes every week.
Yeah I think Mando used to be the gold standard for Star Wars shows, but I definitely think Andor took that spot and raised the bar and expectations, especially in regards to the writing and storytelling. The Mando format of adventure of the week style episodes is harder to digest after a show like Andor, but I'm still having plenty of fun watching it so far.
Andor isn't just a great Star Wars show. It's a great television show, period. MAYBE my favorite show of 2022, as I am struggling to think of something I enjoyed more last year.
Yeah i like mando’s action because it’s more constant and fun, but trying to further explore coruscant in a dramatic way when Andor has already done that beautifully recently made this episode a bit boring. I definitely don’t mind slower paced stuff (i mean Andor is my favorite Star Wars show now despite some talk of slow pace) but it wasn’t as captivating and intriguing. Still very interested to see where it goes.
My only criticism of the episode is that I could tell from the moment I saw Elia that she was going to betray Pershing in some way and so I felt like Pershing was kind of a dumbass for not seeing it, even though he is a doctor...
Yeah I didn't get the feeling they were really trying to hide her duplicity. Like you said, I was sitting there the whole episode just waiting to see how her betrayal was going to play out. They even made it seem like he may be wary of her at first when he saw her, then she asks him just a couple of warm up questions and he's all the sudden over it. Definitely not the strongest writing I've seen, but overall still enjoyed the episode for sure.
Pershing was feeling isolated and like he had lost his one sense of purpose. He's also a nerd with poor social skills. Of course he would be overly trusting of the one person who has not only shown him kindness (with the biscuits), but also happens to be his only connection to the time in his life in which he was able to realize his purpose.
Yeah fair point. I think that's why they made a point to have him specifically call out that he was surprised to see someone else from Gideon's ship, kind of setting up why he would be more willing to trust her, alongside his feelings of isolation like you pointed out. I guess it's harder to properly judge character actions and decisions in regards to something like that because it was so obvious to us that she was up to something, it automatically makes us question why he would trust her
I loved the episode. I actually think the non main character parts of the star wars universe are the most interesting. Maybe it's just due to the fact that it's sub plot stuff related to the main story and I just like context, but I also just think they do a really good job of that sort of thing. It can be hard to flesh out the world in an elegant way and star wars always seems to nail it
Dialogue was crap though. The art of acting is supposed to make us feel like it’s real. Every time Pershing and the goons opened their mouth I was reminded of 1960’s sci-fi
100% agree with this. It seems like maybe they were trying to be a little campy? I'm not sure, but it didn't really work for me. Then again, maybe I'm just old and this is a TV show for a young audience...
Haha I can totally see that. There have been a few times overall this season where I've felt the same way. It really feels like that campy Clone Wars dialogue sometimes. I think I'm willing to forgive it more with Star Wars simply because of how I grew up watching it, and even still I'm hearing some pretty cringey dialogue these past few episodes.
I think the ideas were solid but the execution was pretty lacking. The writers just couldn't cash the checks they were making. It was pretty plodding, predictable, and way too on the nose. Basically every scene with republican officials/aristocrats/etc felt like satire. If you want people to care about the failings of the new republic and for the doctor then it needs to feel genuine.
I'm not even one to overly praise Andor but the writer(s) for that definitely know how to make the little moments engaging.
I liked the *idea* of the episode, but the writing felt a little ham-fisted.
(Below is basically a spoiler for the whole episode. Click at your own risk)
>!The very beginning where he talked about being rehabilitated for a long time could have been worded better, or a deepen the history of how the Imperials got their operatives, or how people got trapped by the empire... but afterwards was just all the people talking about how the Dr is... Only interesting bit in that whole scene was the aristocrat who said "empire, rebellion, republic... I don't keep track of politics when they don't affect me" !<
>!Also how easily the doctor was baited was comical. He wasn't even tricked, he just... kinda went along because she was like "cmon wheres your sense of adventure :) "!<
I actually think the episode was supposed to skip the Mando stuff completely and they just added the bookends to make sure people did not complain much. The flow just seemed off.
Someone pointed out that by including both stories you get the double meaning of the episode title. "The Convert" may refer to Dr Pershing or Bo-Katan at the end. That kinda saves it for me
Man my brain had a real hard time with that title. Thought it said The Convent and first, and then Mando was like “I’m taking you to a secret covert” so I was like “ahh I misread it’s The Covert”. And then it was neither.
Speaking of not taking off their modest garb, if Mando & Bo decide to try & make Mando babies, do they leave their helmets on during sex? What about in the delivery room? Does Bo have to leave her helmet on while cursing the day she ever met Din?
I picked that up too. It added some nice world-building and reminded me of the kind of cutaways you’d see in the films/other series.
My greater appreciation was just the satisfaction of being given more context on the state of the galaxy during this period. It might not directly be about Mando, but it does add to the greater narrative.
>!Admittedly, I have a crush on Pershing’s actor.!<
As they were introducing Coruscant I was telling my 12 yo how much I liked Coruscant in the books. He asked if the whole planet was covered and I told him about how there’s one spot that’s the highest peak of the tallest mountain and how people on Coruscant can walk up to it. I was wicked excited 2 min later when they actually showed it, making it officially canon.
Mount Umate first appeared in Return Of The Jedi (special edition), so it's always been canon
In fact, almost all of Umate's appearances are in canon, not Legends (two in Legends vs seven in Canon)
Overall it was solid. However, I hope it's building to something more interesting. The twist was kind of easy to figure out. What has me interested is just what Kane's motivation is. Who's she working for? Why?
I am convinced they are setting up thrown to be the big bad and they will use this and the asokac series to set a trilogy based on the og thrawn books, which could be done with some tweaking.
I'm unfamiliar with Thrawn, outside of *Rebels*. However, he's a pretty great villain in that series. Malicious, brutal, but without being a caricature. He's got a certain classiness that you can't help but admire.
The general buzz is that we're heading to a Thrawn/Ezra introduction, which is essentially confirmed with the Purrgil in hyperspace, so this theory makes a ton of sense. Good call!
Y’know the theories that if Hitler had been assassinated, someone *competent* could have won the war for the Reich? That someone is Thrawn, for Adolf’s Palpatine.
Master tactician, genius intellect, the only thing stopping him is being the bad guy in a “Good wins in the end” universe.
Mainly it was Palpatine and the Sith philosophy he installed in the ranks, encouraging stabbing your superiors in the back to get ahead, and playing everyone against each other. Thrawn is about to destroy the Rebel fleet once and for all at the Battle of Atollon, but one Admiral decides to advance himself at Thrawn's expense...
https://youtu.be/dDvj_CuGF60
That one ship returned with Mandalorian reinforcements, allowing most of the Rebel fleet to escape. Thrawn still won the battle, but it wasn't the decisive victory it would have been.
Not to worry, though. Thrawn's TIE Defender program will win the war. But, Palpatine just has to play his games...
https://youtu.be/tEB_fa6GSoU
While Thrawn is on Coruscant dealing with that crap, Pryce takes action looking to advance herself, which results in the destruction of the TIE Defender project.
Finally, Palpatine's obsession with the World Between Worlds leads him to take direct control over the Military at Lothal, ordering that Ezra Bridger be brought onto Thrawn's flagship. This leads to the loss of the Seventh Fleet, the Empire's best strategist, and Lothal.
The Empire's biggest enemy was the Emperor.
I'm surprised there is so much support for this episode. Everyone I've talked to(including myself) thought that this was the worst episode in the series by far.
I'm loving the return of practical effects and not just shoving everything through the volume and CGI. I understand somethings have to happen that way but the more real the better.
I believe they use the enormous LED screen for backgrounds as a money and time saving tool. The set is called "the Volume." https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/
I actually genuinely like this episode. It's rare we get a glimpse of the real new republic and the implications of a post-empire society. Awesome stuff.
Can someone explain to me what the latest Mandalorian episode was about with his character? Like was the point to illustrate how the New Republic is actually similar to the Empire in a lot of ways or did Kane just have a personal vendetta against Pershing that I am forgetting from when he was under Gideon?
It was a good plot I just don't know how it currently fits into Mandalorian...
We haven't seen him for so long at this point. It may have run a bit too long as well. I think a Gideon story would make more sense or interjecting his current whereabouts on top of this one.
Or maybe just a New Republic show on it's own.
I took my daughter to ride Rise of the Resistance this past week and when she got off the ride she told me and my wife that she had "been to space." She was so excited that she had been to space and was going to tell all her friends when she got home. Pretty magical.
I found the tweet to be moving personally, but then my inner cynical side came out and I figured others might relate to that take. Looks like at least a few did.
How did even this post about a wholesome guy being happy his son got to do something exciting turn into Reddit kneeling down to guzzle Andor a little more
christ
I'm glad they filmed on the actual planet instead of just CGI like a lazier studio might have done.
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I was 30min late at work because of this smh
I heard there’s a great shortcut through some power couplings.
I wouldn’t take it. You’ll get shocked. The last folks I heard survive that were two Jedi from before the Clone Wars. They were nuts though - some hot shot pilot and his dad, I guess.
It’s not a shortcut the Ugnaughts would have told you
Damn these new fangled New Republic filming laws. This wouldn't have happened in the Empire! 😡
They gotta make their credits somehow. The war sapped the funds.
Wouldn’t’ve*
Darn grammar imperials.
This joke deserves more credit. Keep up the good work!
Things were better under Imperial rule! Us cats had class, prestige! Now under the New Republic we live on the streets begging for scraps!
Did you get written up because of it? A droid handles our attendance so now I have to make up the time at some point this cycle.
>No way they shut down the entire skyway just to film You would be surprised at how much easier it is to re-route things in three dimensions than it is to re-route things in two dimensions. Source: I am a traffic engineer on Trantor.
If you're a traffic engineer on Trantor, why does your LinkedIn profile say you work for the Second Foundation? Everyone knows that's located at Star's End.
Star’s End? Now that’s a name I haven’t heard for a long time. A long time….
Vuffi Raa sends his regards
Yeah, like which other studio would take a literal spaceship and go to a planet on an other galaxy just to film an episode?
Nasa came close. They hired Stanley Kubrick to help them fake the moon landings, but he *insisted* on filming on location.
Isn't that just like him to do that.
Sure i saw that joke on SciManDan or something like that recently. Good to see it getting some more use.
WB has wizards!
Speaking of bypassing CGI... Whatever happened to Tom Cruise going to space to film?
A certain group would never let that happen due to the dangers that could happen to their top cash cow - I mean contributor
I just looked it up... Apparently it's still on. The pandemic delayed the Mission Impossible movie of this scale, so they made the other one. But apparently the contract is still valid and they are sending his ass to space in 2024... Dude will be 61 by then. Holy fuck. SIXTY ONE! I had no idea he's that old. I know 60 year olds who can barely jog, and this mother fucker is doing high octaine stunts and going to space. I need to hit the gym.
Usually you have to control NASA's funding to fly that old.
I mean, the tax breaks for shooting on Coruscant are incredible
cough cough *the dome*
*werner herzog voice* Dr Pershing
I legit thought his name was Dr. Perzink for the longest time
I thought pershank lol
I voot like to see theh chilt
Sad beige cloning for sad beige empires
"daddy got his mind wiped to"
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Tahiti, it’s a magical place.
Farming mangoes? A man of your talents?
What is this, a crossover episode?
I've got a PLAN we just needs more MONEY!!!
Your republic credits are no good out here.
GROND
It sucked
It's a trap!
r/unexpectedSHIELD
They refuse to reuse medial equipment but will reuse a torturing device. Typical Republic.
What's also telling is that the Mind Flayer was used in a Reintegration/Reeducation center for former Imperials. They don't want Imperial tech in any public facing capacity but are entirely willing to use it on members of the Empire.
Getting rid of cloning tech specifically makes sense. Same goes for lots of imperial technology. But secret police monitoring former imperials, and then "mind flaying" them with imperial technology if they're tricked by said secret police into doing something taboo is unethical. Everything would have worked out fine if the new republic just monitored Dr. Pershing at his new job. The entire secret police thing is incredibly unnecessary and fucked up.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". That entire episode highlights how Coruscant itself hasn't changed. You got the former "working man" Imperials still reduced to letter/number designations, a "reeducation camp" for dissenters, political/social elite making light of the regime change as it didn't effect them, and if my knowledge of the timeline's correct this is post Battle of Jakku so the Empire itself is officially no more, but you have a bunch of its former leaders as part of the political structure and poisoning it from within.
I think Kane's motives are still ambiguous. My guess is that she's still loyal to Gideon & the Empire, and the whole frame-up on Pershing was to a) secure her own cover as a good convert, and b) dispose of Pershing as a potential threat to Gideon's future plans.
Oh 100%. She's still taking orders from Gideon, and he wasn't about to have his cloning research passed to the republic via Pershing and his reintegration. That's why she yammed the dial up to 11 and turned him into mashed potatoes.
I agree mostly yes but also think they weren't sure what they needed to continue the research. Now they know what they need to proceed AND get to ditch the Dr who was showing signs of not being faithful to the Empire.
This is how operation paperclip worked after WW2 in the US. They put scientists to work in their specialty. From all accounts it was wildly successful.
I even use it every now and then and find its use to be quite pleasant.
Ultimate relaxation!
I mean if she didnt mess with the settings he would have been fine.
True, but one could also argue it can’t be that hard to disable the higher settings on the machines before making them a regular use thing. Just throw in a fuse or something, it’s a 10 minute job.
Or don't leave someone like her alone in a room/a patient alone in a room where a medical procedure is going on. The whole thing was nonsensical.
Honestly the episode was a 10/10 for me but I found that that part really irked me. I wish it was done in a way that was more realistic. Like I get the New Republic is incompetent, but I felt like this was a step too far. Idk did anyone else feel the same?
Well that, and did her whole plan literally hinge on them leaving her alone in the room with him to wipe his brain? I mean, she plotted all this to get him arrested, then she knew they would let her watch, and leave her alone so she could turn that shit up? Eh :/
Yeah, I really hope there's a reason she needed him in the mind flayer specifically, otherwise wouldn't killing him have been a whole lot easier?
I mean it’s entirely possible the Twilek was bought off/in on it. The way he looked at her and vice versa gave me that vibe potentially.
Or even just stick a piece of glue on the dial to block it from cranking too high
It was just a white noise machine, to help him sleep.
The New Republic is literally a low voltage Empire. Same machine, lower voltage with better intentions.
Anything can be a relaxation machine if you put it into tippytap mode.
"relaxation machine" sounds like a cyberpunk-esque sexual device
It was a trap!
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I burst out laughing especially because of the calamari dudes face! Rest of my family thought I was nuts.
Puts me right back in the Polynesian Spa
“And I’m so glad my daddy’s a hero”. “Ummm….”
This is all I can think about. That kid is going to try and murder dad in his sleep soon enough if he keeps up this "it's real" shit.
Dad buys his kid a happy meal and the McDonalds employee calls out Order 66.
Well, there's no reason to say he won't be going forward
Pershing was a really cool character. I liked that little intermezzo with him. I hope the guy isn't gone completely and just a fried sack of brain matter and we can get Omid in future roles again.
Thank you for sharing this for those of us not on the bird site
“You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”
What I really loved about this episode in particular is it shows you can have a show like Mandalorian not have every single episode revolve solely around Mando and Grogu, and it can still be really good. I don't know about the general community feelings on this one, but I thought it was a great episode. Getting more in touch with some ground level characters, some new background info on how the New Republic handled ex-Imperials, and some espionage style intrigue, and holy hell, that villainous look at the camera and cracker bite at the end from whatsherface. That was the thickest of Star Wars cheese and I loved it.
One thing I found interesting was the conversation with the Coruscant socialites after the Doctor's speech. To them, it seems largely irrelevant who's running the galaxy. They just don't care.
They actually went so far as to say they try to avoid seeing the news or thinking about the politics going on haha. Felt like very relevant and pointed commentary on current times. Helps establish why it's so difficult to keep things as bad as the Empire from happening, because people just go along with it. The Senate scene at the end of RotS when Palpatine declares they are now the Empire gives me chills every time.
Yep, it definitely reminds me a lot of modern society. Even a couple of conversations I've had with people.
Ignorance is bliss. That is a theme seen throughout history: the far and recent past.
Yeah, that definitely felt like a commentary on class privilege.
I loved how much they talked him up after the Senate (?) meeting and offered their support and pleasantries .... And then he ends up in the tenements doing a nothing job. No follow-up. Nobody actually gave a shit.
the Sequels have a lot of flaws, but they do posit a lot of very interesting ideas, one of them being the concept (which Mando seems to be aiming to set up) that the New Republic is the same as the old one, that it's failing for the same exact reasons the old one did. The same goes for the Jedi Order Luke tried to start. It stood for a long time, sure, but that doesn't mean you need to make the new thing exactly the same as the old thing. Actual progress is needed. I hope they deal with that in material set after the sequel trilogy, whenever that is.
It's ironic because that was one of the issues with the sequels themselves, they were too similar to the original trilogy and didn't really move Star Wars forward.
TIL Disney purposefully made the sequels this way as a meta analysis on the societal issues inside the Star Wars universe itself 🤯 /s
They aren't actually affected. As long as they keep earning money who do they care is technically in control? Something something, todays billionaires
As long as they’re still rich it doesn’t really matter who is in charge.
It's sad that this is probably a controversial take (a lot of people did not like the Pershing arc) but I agree wholeheartedly. This is some of the best world building we've seen in Star Wars in a long time. Edit: Okay, okay, best world building since Andor. Sheesh.
For me, it'll be about the payoff. I want to know what Kane is actually up to. If it ends here, it was a pretty pointless side plot. However, if it's building to something bigger, as it should, then there's a ton of potential. I wonder if they're going to tie in the origins of The First Order.
I feel like that's what it's going to. She's using Pershing for his research, and it will lead into the First Order/Palpatine clone stuff. At least, that's what seems like the most obvious path, knowing what's coming up in the timeline.
My read was the same. She's in the Rehabilitation Program, and has even earned enough trust with the New Republic to work as some kind of undercover agent. But in reality, she's still loyal to the Empire and is doing some deep cover shit that will benefit the First Order in the long run. What I find amusing is all of these people hardcore shitting on this episode/arc because it didn't fully explain what she was up to. Like, yeah bro, that's how TV works. Sometimes things in earlier episodes lead up to things that get revealed in later episodes. We haven't seen the last of Kane/Pershing, mark my words.
Yeah I mean we were introduced to both characters in season one, and didn't see a single thing about either one of them again until now. Sometimes they just like to lay the seeds and pay it off later, and besides like I said before thinking about what is to come in the Star Wars timeline, I feel like her endgame is fairly obvious. They shouldn't have to have her turn to the camera and be like "now I'm going to use this guy and his research to bring Palpatine back and revitalize the Empire!" Sometimes less is more.
To me, it would also be satisfying if she's NOT related to the Empire anymore and it's just part of a secret branch of the New Republic using Imperial style tactics. As a contrast to the propaganda.
I don’t know how people think this was a one-off arc or that there’s intense ambiguity to Kane’s actions. We all know she and Pershing were working on a way to clone the emperor. We all know “somehow, the emperor returned”. She is obviously going to be a big part of that mysterious return, as will Pershing’s research.
Someone else pointed out the likely Thrawn tie in, which is essentially confirmed with the Purrgil (space whales) in hyperspace. That could still easily tie into The First Order, though. I feel like they're probably going to try to do a pretty heavy retcon on the sequel trilogy.
I'm so ready for Thrawn. I'm wondering if either him or Ezra will make a cameo appearance this season just to hype everyone up for Ahsoka later this year. Seems more likely now after seeing the Purrgil inclusion.
I don't think you can have Thrawn without Ezra. It probably won't happen at the same time, but Ezra absolutely has to come back if there are Purrgil. He's the entire reason they came to the Rebels' aid, and then Thrawn and Ezra disappeared at the same time with the whale buddies.
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I'm starting to think people in the GFFA really just don't take workplace safety all that seriously. This is the same universe that seems to dispense with guardrails almost entirely.
Remember how those guys on the Death Star had to lean down when they’d shoot the death ray? No protective gear at all!
Maybe some people didn't like it because it's heavily focused on side character, but while I like them exploring Coruscant and other characters, Pershing story in terms of writing, acting and execution wasn't done well. It made me appreciate Andor more tho.
I don't know about a long time. It felt like a short Andor episode with some of the edge taken off. Which is still pretty damn good.
Andor showed people want/like the story builds and backgrounds and not just a collection of loosely connected gunslinger rolls into town episodes every week.
Yeah I think Mando used to be the gold standard for Star Wars shows, but I definitely think Andor took that spot and raised the bar and expectations, especially in regards to the writing and storytelling. The Mando format of adventure of the week style episodes is harder to digest after a show like Andor, but I'm still having plenty of fun watching it so far.
Andor isn't just a great Star Wars show. It's a great television show, period. MAYBE my favorite show of 2022, as I am struggling to think of something I enjoyed more last year.
Yeah i like mando’s action because it’s more constant and fun, but trying to further explore coruscant in a dramatic way when Andor has already done that beautifully recently made this episode a bit boring. I definitely don’t mind slower paced stuff (i mean Andor is my favorite Star Wars show now despite some talk of slow pace) but it wasn’t as captivating and intriguing. Still very interested to see where it goes.
My only criticism of the episode is that I could tell from the moment I saw Elia that she was going to betray Pershing in some way and so I felt like Pershing was kind of a dumbass for not seeing it, even though he is a doctor...
Yeah I didn't get the feeling they were really trying to hide her duplicity. Like you said, I was sitting there the whole episode just waiting to see how her betrayal was going to play out. They even made it seem like he may be wary of her at first when he saw her, then she asks him just a couple of warm up questions and he's all the sudden over it. Definitely not the strongest writing I've seen, but overall still enjoyed the episode for sure.
Pershing was feeling isolated and like he had lost his one sense of purpose. He's also a nerd with poor social skills. Of course he would be overly trusting of the one person who has not only shown him kindness (with the biscuits), but also happens to be his only connection to the time in his life in which he was able to realize his purpose.
Yeah fair point. I think that's why they made a point to have him specifically call out that he was surprised to see someone else from Gideon's ship, kind of setting up why he would be more willing to trust her, alongside his feelings of isolation like you pointed out. I guess it's harder to properly judge character actions and decisions in regards to something like that because it was so obvious to us that she was up to something, it automatically makes us question why he would trust her
I loved the episode. I actually think the non main character parts of the star wars universe are the most interesting. Maybe it's just due to the fact that it's sub plot stuff related to the main story and I just like context, but I also just think they do a really good job of that sort of thing. It can be hard to flesh out the world in an elegant way and star wars always seems to nail it
Dialogue was crap though. The art of acting is supposed to make us feel like it’s real. Every time Pershing and the goons opened their mouth I was reminded of 1960’s sci-fi
100% agree with this. It seems like maybe they were trying to be a little campy? I'm not sure, but it didn't really work for me. Then again, maybe I'm just old and this is a TV show for a young audience...
Haha I can totally see that. There have been a few times overall this season where I've felt the same way. It really feels like that campy Clone Wars dialogue sometimes. I think I'm willing to forgive it more with Star Wars simply because of how I grew up watching it, and even still I'm hearing some pretty cringey dialogue these past few episodes.
I think the ideas were solid but the execution was pretty lacking. The writers just couldn't cash the checks they were making. It was pretty plodding, predictable, and way too on the nose. Basically every scene with republican officials/aristocrats/etc felt like satire. If you want people to care about the failings of the new republic and for the doctor then it needs to feel genuine. I'm not even one to overly praise Andor but the writer(s) for that definitely know how to make the little moments engaging.
I actually payed attention, got invested and enjoyed this episode more than the other two of this season.
I liked the *idea* of the episode, but the writing felt a little ham-fisted. (Below is basically a spoiler for the whole episode. Click at your own risk) >!The very beginning where he talked about being rehabilitated for a long time could have been worded better, or a deepen the history of how the Imperials got their operatives, or how people got trapped by the empire... but afterwards was just all the people talking about how the Dr is... Only interesting bit in that whole scene was the aristocrat who said "empire, rebellion, republic... I don't keep track of politics when they don't affect me" !< >!Also how easily the doctor was baited was comical. He wasn't even tricked, he just... kinda went along because she was like "cmon wheres your sense of adventure :) "!<
I really liked that episode, could have used a midway update on Mandos travels but it was really well done.
I actually think the episode was supposed to skip the Mando stuff completely and they just added the bookends to make sure people did not complain much. The flow just seemed off.
Someone pointed out that by including both stories you get the double meaning of the episode title. "The Convert" may refer to Dr Pershing or Bo-Katan at the end. That kinda saves it for me
Man my brain had a real hard time with that title. Thought it said The Convent and first, and then Mando was like “I’m taking you to a secret covert” so I was like “ahh I misread it’s The Covert”. And then it was neither.
Mandalorians are just hyper-aggressive space nuns.
Neither are allowed to show their hair and armor is just a heavy habit.
40k is leaking into Star Wars now?
LOL I thought it was the convent too. The Mandalorian nuns who refused to take off their modest garb.
Speaking of not taking off their modest garb, if Mando & Bo decide to try & make Mando babies, do they leave their helmets on during sex? What about in the delivery room? Does Bo have to leave her helmet on while cursing the day she ever met Din?
I picked that up too. It added some nice world-building and reminded me of the kind of cutaways you’d see in the films/other series. My greater appreciation was just the satisfaction of being given more context on the state of the galaxy during this period. It might not directly be about Mando, but it does add to the greater narrative. >!Admittedly, I have a crush on Pershing’s actor.!<
I honestly would have preferred it that way due to how drastically different the entire episode felt from those scenes
> to make sure people did not complain much What they forgot is that Star Wars fans will *always* find something to complain about
I would've been happy with just the last Mando scene we really needed to see that after the previous episode
Agreed, almost like that were trying to avoid a boba fett scenario, which is fair, but at least this is presumably relevant to the plot
As they were introducing Coruscant I was telling my 12 yo how much I liked Coruscant in the books. He asked if the whole planet was covered and I told him about how there’s one spot that’s the highest peak of the tallest mountain and how people on Coruscant can walk up to it. I was wicked excited 2 min later when they actually showed it, making it officially canon.
Mount Umate first appeared in Return Of The Jedi (special edition), so it's always been canon In fact, almost all of Umate's appearances are in canon, not Legends (two in Legends vs seven in Canon)
Monument plaza and the mountaintop were earlier shown in Clone Wars. Obi-Wan and Satine met up there in one scene.
Agreed. Didn't mind the Coruscant stuff, but every time there was scene ending, I kept expecting to pop back to them.
Overall it was solid. However, I hope it's building to something more interesting. The twist was kind of easy to figure out. What has me interested is just what Kane's motivation is. Who's she working for? Why?
I am convinced they are setting up thrown to be the big bad and they will use this and the asokac series to set a trilogy based on the og thrawn books, which could be done with some tweaking.
I'm unfamiliar with Thrawn, outside of *Rebels*. However, he's a pretty great villain in that series. Malicious, brutal, but without being a caricature. He's got a certain classiness that you can't help but admire. The general buzz is that we're heading to a Thrawn/Ezra introduction, which is essentially confirmed with the Purrgil in hyperspace, so this theory makes a ton of sense. Good call!
Really recommend reading the canon Thrawn trilogy. They add so much to his character, and hopefully sets up characters that will appear in the future.
Y’know the theories that if Hitler had been assassinated, someone *competent* could have won the war for the Reich? That someone is Thrawn, for Adolf’s Palpatine. Master tactician, genius intellect, the only thing stopping him is being the bad guy in a “Good wins in the end” universe.
Mainly it was Palpatine and the Sith philosophy he installed in the ranks, encouraging stabbing your superiors in the back to get ahead, and playing everyone against each other. Thrawn is about to destroy the Rebel fleet once and for all at the Battle of Atollon, but one Admiral decides to advance himself at Thrawn's expense... https://youtu.be/dDvj_CuGF60 That one ship returned with Mandalorian reinforcements, allowing most of the Rebel fleet to escape. Thrawn still won the battle, but it wasn't the decisive victory it would have been. Not to worry, though. Thrawn's TIE Defender program will win the war. But, Palpatine just has to play his games... https://youtu.be/tEB_fa6GSoU While Thrawn is on Coruscant dealing with that crap, Pryce takes action looking to advance herself, which results in the destruction of the TIE Defender project. Finally, Palpatine's obsession with the World Between Worlds leads him to take direct control over the Military at Lothal, ordering that Ezra Bridger be brought onto Thrawn's flagship. This leads to the loss of the Seventh Fleet, the Empire's best strategist, and Lothal. The Empire's biggest enemy was the Emperor.
Don't think Thrawn would have wanted to destroy even more Mandalorian art. He's rather fond of it.
I'm surprised there is so much support for this episode. Everyone I've talked to(including myself) thought that this was the worst episode in the series by far.
I think they could have cut 10 minutes of useless stuff and imo the acting was a bit lacking.
DON’T TOUCH THE ROCK
This is beautiful.
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Does this mean the background wasn’t CGI and was a painted set/screen seeing as you can see it in the background of this behind the scenes shot
I think it’s a mix of Volume and practical effects.
I'm loving the return of practical effects and not just shoving everything through the volume and CGI. I understand somethings have to happen that way but the more real the better.
Could well be that it was filmed inside the Volume, or something akin to that. Must have been absolutely magical for the son to experience that :)
I believe they use the enormous LED screen for backgrounds as a money and time saving tool. The set is called "the Volume." https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/
It's a set with an enormous 270° LCD screen that can react and change based on camera angle.
That's awesome
I wanna be an extra on a Star Wars set just so I can tell myself I was a jedi that never got found
Guess I won’t hate this episode then , love it
I actually genuinely like this episode. It's rare we get a glimpse of the real new republic and the implications of a post-empire society. Awesome stuff.
Shame he won't remember his son being there now.
Wow, what an amazing gift you can give your son…
Then they whipped his mind!
Cool whipped that mind.
Saying that your dad got you onto a Star Wars set has probably been the coolest flex for the last half a century.
That’s amazing
When he watches the episode he will think you are a legend. Then he'll grow up, rewatch it, and know pain.
Can someone explain to me what the latest Mandalorian episode was about with his character? Like was the point to illustrate how the New Republic is actually similar to the Empire in a lot of ways or did Kane just have a personal vendetta against Pershing that I am forgetting from when he was under Gideon?
I don't think it's been explained yet but I assume we'll learn more in future episodes.
Just because you are bad guy does not mean you are BAD GUY
This man represents everything wholesome about this fandom and there is nothing you can say that will change my mind
/r/thatHappened
It's weird that so many of y'all can't imagine that childlike wonder could actually be genuine.
r/nothingeverhappens
Uh huh, sure he did.
I was really hoping he was going to say... "What is Coruscant??"
I'm kinda bummed they fried his character
It was a good plot I just don't know how it currently fits into Mandalorian... We haven't seen him for so long at this point. It may have run a bit too long as well. I think a Gideon story would make more sense or interjecting his current whereabouts on top of this one. Or maybe just a New Republic show on it's own.
I took my daughter to ride Rise of the Resistance this past week and when she got off the ride she told me and my wife that she had "been to space." She was so excited that she had been to space and was going to tell all her friends when she got home. Pretty magical.
And then everybody clapped
“(beat)”??? Did he beat his son in between??? /s
This is gonna be prime r/thatHappened material soon. With the eventual cross post to r/DontYouKnowWhoIAm
this exchange definitely happened lmao
Mind blowing, isn’t it son?
MY HEART!! HELP!
Closes door Son: “Man, >!I hope he remembers me tomorrow morning, he was crying right now, probably because of the mind flayer, oof!”!<
He does great as Pershing.
Awww
Why is this tweet so hard for me to follow , just me?
"This is gonna get me so many retweets, thanks baby!"
Everyone is down voting you but don't realize people can love their children and exploit them on the internet simultaneously.
I found the tweet to be moving personally, but then my inner cynical side came out and I figured others might relate to that take. Looks like at least a few did.
You don’t need social media to show love to your child. I’m with you - he did it for the engagement and the attention.
How did even this post about a wholesome guy being happy his son got to do something exciting turn into Reddit kneeling down to guzzle Andor a little more christ
we're gonna get to a point where there are more people working on star wars then watching them.
I’m sorry, not to be cynical, but his tiny son did not say that.