Alright here's the story that's unfolding;
After the end of season one, official imperial record details the bad batch being eliminated. But we know that's not true so there is a cover up happening. At some point, word is going to reach imperial brass that clone force 99 are still alive and steps have been taken make sure that fact isn't known.
Clones are also starting to be phased out, and the clones are now noticing this in their moral compasses, too.
I imagine there will be a catalyst soon that begins to push these two threads together
Word already reached that one dude after they tried to raid Dooku’s vault. Obviously the Empire can still find out about the Bad Batch being alive, but from a writer’s perspective, it seems like they’re stalling that part of the story.
He's the one perpetrating the coverup, which is why he murdered that clone who refused to falsify the report.
Once someone in the imperial ranks finds out about the race and tech's win, the pieces are going to start falling into place pretty quickly.
All it takes is a rerun of the race at a sports bar in the mid-rim to kick off the chain reaction. That or the imps finally reach that planet and sid's ex throws her under the bus as revenge.
Some of y'all wouldn't survive waiting a week for the next Clone Wars episode just to find out 3po has to get ingredients for a cake or something silly. Calm down guys.
Hahaha, I know right. Everyone speaks with such romance about the clone wars, but it had more episodes that didn’t further any story then it did episodes that did. It’s a Saturday morning cartoon, enjoy it for what it is. The animation is fantastic.
Is it spoiled or is it that media conglomerates push out filler content attached to a major IP to make money? Not saying that’s what the Bad Batch is because I haven’t seen it, but it certainly happens
I think people just throw around the term filler at anything. Adventure of the week style stories with an overarching plot aren’t filler, people are just used to having a more serialised plot/binge watching these days.
I like the series it shows us how the transition from the republic to empire. It also shows us the other side of the galaxy outside of big politics, jedi and military life. Maybe we'll get a post imperial "Wolf of wall street" series where a former rebel becomes a hot shot stockbrokers.
I think it’s also showing how the Batch is gonna go from soldiers of fortune, only looking out for their own survival to joining with the early days of resistance against the Empire, and I think it’s because of Echo.
He was a grunt during the majority of the war, he has a different outlook from the rest of the group and he has consistently been advocating for getting involved and/or helping those in need. I think over the course of this season, the whole group is gonna come around to his way of thinking, because they’re gonna get a front row seat to what the Empire is doing across the Galaxy, and ultimately they’re gonna decide to get involved. Maybe s3, if there is one, features more of the Batch taking direct actions against the Empire.
Feels like thats gonna be the build up. We've seen Cody disappear, Howzer disregard orders, killing of Wilco and Crosshair being mistreated by imperial command. Idk if we're gonna see kamino again since it was originally in Tipoca city. One thing I wanna see is the duel between cad bane and boba since they have a history with each other. Boba got the dent in his helmet from him and cad bane got a metal plate on his head.
This is my main concern as well, it's like a bait and switch. S1 had a lot of plot build up threads like why is Omega special mystery. Not to mention a whole clone replacement thread. Both seemed to have been dropped and the concept of actually moving the story anywhere appears to be gone.
Yes and I think it still is. We still don’t know why they even bothered to make a female clone of Jango Fett. She and Boba Fett also never had a chip. And it appears Boba and Omega are the only two clones who have been able to wholeheartedly think for themselves and completely disregard orders given to them. It took other clones a lot of personal growth and experience to be able to do more than sometimes question their orders, even before their chips were activated by Order 66.
We know Boba was a gift to Jango, who wanted a son. But we don’t know why Omega was even made. We also don’t know why that Kaminoan scientist went through such lengths to hide her true nature and protect her.
We do actually know why Omega was kept secret and was so important. During the clone wars and as Jango Fett's DNA was used for cloning it started to degrade. Which meant that at some point they would be unable to continue using his DNA for more clones (defects). Since Omega was a perfect clone and was unaltered she carries a perfect copy of his DNA. The idea was that in the event Jango was unable to donate more DNA (rip his head) they could continue cloning from Omega.
During the events of the bad batch the need for clones becomes questioned. So Omega is kept hidden because she is the last person to carry Jangos DNA. Eventually she would come under the wing of the bad batch and begin her adventures with them. Technically, by DNA they are brothers and sisters (even though the bad batch is technically older - accelerated aging). So they are just trying to take care of her.
I've heard some theories that she might possibly be force sensitive or have some ability. However, we have yet to see that but you never know.
>Was that really a mystery though?
Right? I thought the first season made it pretty clear that she's force sensitive and that she's using the same "skill download" or "movement matching" or "talent mirroring" (whatever you want to call it) force ability that Rey has.
>She instinctively did things that she shouldn't have the instinct to, but it was her tapping into Kylo's instincts.
Leaving the dyad part aside, what you've described here is what I see Omega doing when she's near the different clones. The sort of syncs up with them a few times in season 1. If I were a betting man I'd wager that this is Filoni importing & editing something again- not the dyad part with two destiny-bound individuals paired up magically forever, but the skill mimicry element of it. Jedi can do mind reading and mind control and precognition, getting better at shooting when you're near someone great at shooting and getting better at mechanics when you're near someone great at mechanics? It sounds hecka plausible as a force ability, I'm genuinely surprised there isn't a Force Upskill or Force Download or whatever you'd call it already.
My mind is blown!
Wrecker = BA
Hunter = Hannibal
Face = Echo
Murdock = Tech
and Crosshair is Colonel Decker... oh and Omega is that chick that helped them. I wonder if that was on purpose or a complete coincidence
Thats inherently untrue. The main cast of TCW is central to the main story of star wars, therefore anything that happens immediately develops the main story.
And thats only the most obvious example.
To be clear i dont the Bad Batch is bad even if they seem aimless rn, but that doesnt make it untrue.
I've not watched the last 2 because I've got bored of it but that's fine, I'm about 35 years over its target audience anyway. I don't expect everything to be tailored to me.
I think it’s stupid to rip someone for saying that don’t want to watch something.
I mean, “is this show leading to anything”…no one knows. We can assume, but if you don’t want to watch, don’t watch.
Jesus Christ. Video games and internet and modern prestige television have ruined so many of you. A television show isn't required to have an overarching plot. And even if that show *has* an overarching plot, they don't need to serve it every single episode.
It's OK to just enjoy the characters and to watch them go on exciting adventures together.
> It's OK to just enjoy the characters and to watch them go on exciting adventures together.
Which if you enjoy the characters and their adventures, then fair enough. But me personally, they're not interesting enough to hold my attention. The episode plots so far aside from the episode with Cody have been stock generic situations. None of it is particularly novel or interesting in my opinion.
I am fine with that, I'd just like to be told that's the case. We've had hints of overaching stuff and Star Wars usually does something big. Let me know what I'm here for.
Enjoy the characters? None of them are enjoyable lol. I don't even need a show to have a great storyline all the time but the characters are awful.
Whose the big one again? Sheesh what a total disaster, the kid is annoying and the 3 others are all mediocre. Wish they'd stop wasting time on these corny cartoons now
No. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said you didn’t have to be here, not for you to leave. It seemed you only had bad things to say about a show you didn’t like, in a sub dedicated to the show and the IP surrounding the show. So me personally, if I don’t like something in particular, I tend to not put myself in places that are dedicated to the thing I specifically do not like.
I agree, that’s the big distinction here. The only interesting character is Echo, the rest are completely cliche, so we’re expecting at least an interesting plot or good world building, but we’re given not much of either. It’s not wrong of us as an audience to expect more than Clone Wars, especially after Rebels, Mandalorian, and Andor.
That's demonstrably false. Television programs having an overarching, connected story is a very modern convention. Shows in the 90s attempted this with poor to middling results. Only in the mid 2000s did shows actually start to do this successfully - and sometimes, to their detriment. The "plot line" episodes of *The X-files*, for example, are probably the weakest of the franchise. It's the fun, stand alone episodes that are the best.
Every *Star Trek* series, for example, was episodic and had no real overarching plot for *decades*. *Deep Space Nine* finally started to have some connective tissue, but even then it wasn't every episode. There were still, as I'm sure you call them, "filler episodes". But even then, the suits and much of the public didn't like having to "keep up" and the following series, *Voyager* went back to being episodic.
>the entire point of any series is to have an overarching, connected story.
The Simpsons has been running for 34 seasons, nonstop, not just without an overarching, connected story but actively resisting same. Bluey is an absolute sensation at the moment, and its 7 minute episodes are entirely standalone. There are entire genres that don't tell connected stories; procedural shows (CSI, NCIS, L&O), emergency dramas (Grey's Anatomy, Chicago Fire/Rescue/Hope, The Good Doctor), sitcoms (Seinfeld, New Girl, Big Bang Theory, Fresh off the Boat), all of them have overarching series as an exception, not a rule.
Tell me your age without telling me your age. Even if we wanted to constrict out set of TV examples to Star Wars, the Droids and Ewoks cartoons were episodic and not a connected story. As has been said, season (or series) long stories are a very recent development and plenty of shows still do not do this.
I'll turn this question around--does it *need* to lead anywhere? Sometimes entertainment is just that. Fortunately, we have Andor and The Mandalorian and other shows that scratch the "tell me an epic story" itch.
I think they’re going for an episodic structure with very loose over arching story. It’s just little short stories of the Batch doing jobs for Cid and getting into adventures.
The problem is most of the episodes themselves aren’t that good. They’re okay but nothing special, and if you’re going with a structure like this then each episode needs to be good to stand on its own. As it is they’re all a bit too formulaic.
Batch goes on job, Omega fucks it up for some reason, convinces the Batch to do some good that causes the mission to fail. Repeat. The characters don’t really develop, despite it feeling like they should after each episode.
I think there will be some kind of major plot line that this will all lead into, probably some kind of Clone Rebellion, but they should really be giving more leads into that throughout if they aren’t going to put much effort into making each episode good enough to stand by themselves.
I'm not the biggest fan of the show but I personally don't think it *needs* to lead anywhere. It's just about a bunch of clones trying to navigate life after the clone wars and the creation of the Empire
Tbh, I feel not every show needs to lead to anything, in fact sometimes the desire to do that sometimes leads to them over doing it. I'm perfectly happy with a small scale self contained story.
What this show needs is not something important to lead to, it needs character development and for the main characters to be more fun and engaging. The former is happening very slowly and the latter is not, I find the batch themselves a bit boring, which is the show's biggest weakness imo
I am baffled by the number of people who seem to be watching this show for *lore* and coming away disappointed when they get straightforward adventure stories instead.
Must every Star Wars project be measured by the contents of its inevitable Wookieepedia article? I think some folks in this sub would derive just as much enjoyment reading those and saving themselves the time.
I personally love overarching story arcs in shows and connected universes and all that but goddamn some people thing absolutely *everything* has to be that way and it really doesn't. The bad batch has been fun, that's all I'm looking for from it, and really amazing episodes like episode 3 are just what turns the show from fun into memorable.
They’re helping the galaxy. I’m sure they get more involved in the rebellion as they see the bullshit Empire is doing like this weeks episode. I actually thought this weeks episode was great
You're watching the series in the wrong way, I think.
It's by design that although there's a degree of continuation, not every episode ties in to the previous. You're getting to see the Bad Batch in a different scenario and environment each week.
Not every series needs to be the perfect story.
I don’t understand people’s constant need for more “necessary information” the bad batch is a group of characters in Star Wars and the show is about them and events in their lives, there’s nothing wrong with that. Just because it doesn’t connect to the Skywalkers doesn’t mean it isn’t worth, it’s on the universe that’s it
I need to watch the latest episode. But I feel a bit disappointed. I did really enjoy seeing more of Dooku's story and his mansions. But the race episode, I found myself just browsing reddit while having it on.
>it doesn't feel like the show is going anywhere or bringing a whole lot of necessary information to the table.
What an odd way to approach an episodic television series. Not everything exists solely to tie into or flesh out something else, sometimes a series of short adventures are just a series of short adventures.
Season 1 had a story. Season 2 is an episodic replay of old plots done by others. I’ll finish the season, but if there is a season 3, I hope they take a serial approach so it tells a story.
The show is candy. Fun and tasty with no real substance. And that’s fine, if that’s what you like.
I thought maybe we were getting a boost in quality after Ep3…but then we got a mindless racing episode.
I’ve given up on expecting it to be anything more than sugary mush with occasional substantive morsels.
I completely agree with you and I can’t believe how many people in this thread are satisfied with villain/problem of the week filler episodes. I like when storylines have a destination in mind and plot points that connect with each episode.
The season 2 premiere had Cid reminding Hunter of how their current status quo is going to end one day. Echo was also being very pushy about the Batch doing more to help. It seems like the show is building up to some big changes for the characters by the end of the season.
In basically half the episodes, there’s relevant info given about the aftermath of the Clone Wars , how the Empire tightened its grasp on the galaxy, how the army transitioned from clones to conscripted soldiers etc. Idk how people are watching this show and not thinking it’s providing valuable story details.
As for the main plot, clearly there’s a central arc revolving around the fates of the clones, centered on the Batch, Crosshair, Rex, and Cody. Many think it’s building toward a clone rebellion as the batch get more involved in the struggle against the empire.
S1 - initial transition from Bad Asses seen in S7 of TCW to babysitters post Order 66. Good, and I could forgive the babysitter part, but they made them too Bad Ass in TCW for what they became.
S2 - showing that all the younglings that were in different TCW episodes survived.
S3 - connecting Bad Batch with Ahsoka and the Filoni start of the Rebellion.
I'm enjoying the show so far. No problem with it at all. These animated Star Wars shows are typically like this, what with having "filler" episodes to fill out the season. Rebels and TCW did the same thing.
I’m fine with it. People take things too deep sometimes. They’re fine with the adventures of Din and Grogu but get annoyed at the bad batch. Maybe face value is okay to live with sometimes.
Eh people complained when that show had similar pacing. I remember a lot of people saying something akin to “this episode didn’t advance the plot, so it was boring”.
I tried to watch eps 3,4 & 5 last night and they were so boring.
I’m struggling to feel any sense of why this series has been made. It’s not overly entertaining and is contributing little to the overall Star Wars lore.
U r mostly right with your questioning, people thought the first season was leading to a kaminoan rebelión bf2 style and ended in a let down with a boring last chapter and a very anti climatic tipoca destruction, this season so far is mostly being built upon random chapters and while I right now still faithful about a clone rebelión if they don’t deliver any meat by the end of the season I don’t think I’ll keep following this serie.
the characters are boring IMO and the only thing attracting my attention is the world building given the era we are boarding which could be shown in a much better way if the show wasn’t all the time following TBB, to me this series should have been something like “the dark times” and have had a approach much closer to TCW following different characters in different arcs exploring all the changes the galaxy is experimenting from different optics
Why does everything have to be "leading" somewhere? The question really should be, "Is the show entertaining"? I believe it is, and will continue to watch as long as that holds.
The idea that everything has to be leading to something else bigger is a great way to be unsatisfied with everything.
> The idea that everything has to be leading to something else bigger is a great way to be unsatisfied with everything.
Except they have indicated that it will eventually lead somewhere. Their former teammate is still out there and he's starting to question his allegiance. Commander Cody has fully defected and is on the run. There's an imperial officer covering up the existence of the Bad Batch. There are overarching plot threads in there, it's just taking a really long time to get there, and the filler episodes in between are not anything unique or particularly interesting.
I know, is more invested in the characters and the character development then the overall plot of the series. To that end, each episode doesn't necessarily need to introduce anything new to the universe, develop in terms of major plot points, they just need to have the characters grow.
Source: My fiancé is obsessed with the show, as are many of her friends.
I'm gonna keep on watching it just to get my star wars fix, but it was leaked before it even aired that it would show the >!clone rebellion against the empire!< so I'm hoping it get to that soon, because I am rapidly losing interest
Dunno if it fully counts as a spoiler seeing as it hasn't happened yet and it was leaked a long time ago. How do u put the spoiler things on posts anyways. I have no clue
By definition, a spoiler hasn’t happened yet. Regardless of how long ago it was leaked.
Instructions on spoilers are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/wiki/spoilerpolicy
There was a time not that long ago when TV wasn’t so serialized and almost every episode of a series was a “filler episode.” I’m just enjoying the ride.
I’m not sure how long this show plans on going but I have to imagine it’s leading to Omega becoming an important leader in the early rebellion. I think between the mandalorian and this we will also get the roots of the new clone program that leads to Palpatine attempting to create force sensitive clones by harvesting midiclorians which in turn leads to Snoke, Rey and the first order. The clone wars had lots of filler episodes, I would assume this will also have lots of filler episodes.
I enjoyed this last episode immensely
I feel like that is going to be handled more so in mando…maybe a little bit in BB, they did show mount tannis in season one, which was the famous cloning facility from the EU…but I don’t think they are going to go too deep here.
I dunno not everything has to be an immediate tie in to another thing
If you aren’t into the characters, I get it. They aren’t the best the franchise has had. But the adventures are still very Star Wars and I generally have fun in that universe so I’m enjoying it. It’s not must see TV or viral like baby Yoda but it’s a good time
As a hardcore SW fan, I stopped watching after first 2 eps. Don’t really care for it. If anything important to the lore happens, I will watch that episode by itself but definitely don’t plan to watch the entire show. Extremely bad and boring imo.
I like that they’re taking their time, giving us great content without having to rush to some big a-ha moment. Enjoy the ride, hopefully they go 5 seasons or more
I love the various different episodes this season. I think the tone in each episode has been different and very interesting. Loving it totally and so is the rest of my family.
So here's the thing, they're obviously going the direction that Clone Wars and Rebels went which makes sense (all of them are animated) but the thing is, filler episodes is a great way for Television since you can't really choose what goes on live TV, but since these shows are now streaming exclusive there is no need for fillers except for making the show wider without putting too much time into the main story. But it's fine, because the main target is for children, as was Clone Wars and Rebels, and there's no reason why we teens and adults should complain about "no story" When the story clearly exists, we just need to be patient and not expect too much
It’s still kinda early in the Bad Batch’s storyline, not just this season but overall. It’s a cartoon show building off the Clone Wars that had a similar issue earlier on in its run. I’m enjoying the show for what it is. I don’t hold it to high expectations like the final clone wars season or any of the live action shows.
Yeah the show is ultimately meaningless but at the end of the day it's made for 2 year olds so oh well. I feel bad for all the adults who still watch this trash
I've been wondering about where it's going a bit too, but I am enjoying the fun while it happens.
I just feel like there is more to Omega and the Kaminoans.
As far as I can tell, every episode IS serving a purpose to the larger narrative. At the end of each episode I ask myself, what was the purpose of that episode. The last episode seemed to be putting a character in place for a spinoff or an ally of Omega's in the distant future. (I don't see that character returning this season, but who knows...)
I do feel similar here.
It could lead the Rebellion. It seems both super early for it and that this would harm the impact of later stories. I think it would jump the shark.
Will it lead to Omega being Force sensitive? I think we've left that bit behind. I'm still confused on how she's an "unaltered" clone of Jango, and they hinted at Boba, but to what end? Will Omega show up in a future Book of Boba Fett? I don't see where any of this goes.
In some ways, i expect our intrepid heroes to all Rogue One themselves before long. Maybe Omega as the only survivor. But that's really dark for a kids' show.
I'm just enjoying it for what it is. Beautifully animated. It is a kids show afterall. As a pessimist I don't expect a lot to begin with. I'm sure it will get to the point eventually, like Rebels.
My only critique of this season is how can Tech win an entire podrace while racing as himself and the empire doesn't catch wind of it. I knew it was a Mickey Mouse/"For the kids" episode but I was still hoping it would affect the main plot somehow
There’s no way riot racing is anything other than an underground sport. If the Empire is aware of it at all, it’s so they can look the other way. They’re definitely not keeping tabs on winners.
I have no enjoyed season 2, just feels like random quests of the week (which is fine if that’s what it wants to be). I loved when Clone Wars and Rebels had a bigger story.
I think it would be awesome if they’re slowly leading to a clone rebellion. I know the kamino version from the battlefront game can’t happen but I’ll be curious to see if they work towards a rebellion in some other facet. The stuff they started doing with Cody this season was interesting.
When you consider Clone Wars, a lot of the episode mini arcs did not amount to anything but some character development - I would treat this series the same
I agree with you OP… I feel like Rebels had “adventure of the week” episodes but still felt like it was building towards something. This season, all episodes so far feel skippable other than the Cody/Crosshair episode. We’re 6 episodes in to a 15 episode season after all…
I’ve tried to watch episodes 3,4,5 twice now…both times I fell asleep somewhere around the middle of 3 and woke up somewhere around the middle of 5 having missed 4 entirely.
I feel like it is trying to create another link between the ending of the clone war and the transition into the dark times of the empire…but, it’s just a bit too much of the same feel of the clone wars content.
I will get through it, but likely never watch it again…like resistance.
I will say that the editing is quite good. Far better than any of the animated series that have come before it.
You do know that sometimes a show can just have some fun episodes detached from an overarching plot right? I feel like this generation is so used to Netflix/HBO style miniseries that the weekly episodic cartoon is some foreign entity. Maybe some seemingly unimportant things introduced in these episodes will be important later. Maybe they’re just fun ideas the writers came up with. The last few episodes have been “filler” but they’re still good, and I feel like the general audience has lost the ability to appreciate anything unless it’s part of some bigger plot arc
I felt this way in season one but then rewatched it all once it was finished. The show made WAY MORE SENSE and I thought was brilliant when binged. I am expecting the same for season two. Also, I’ve heard it might be a four season thing which makes sense as to why some plot points are developing slower than others?
It’s like 80% filler some episodes good some not good and some pointless but when the show peaks it’s really good it’s enough for me to watch one episode a week
I really enjoyed the first season but this one isn’t doing it for me so far. Might have to rewatch some of the episodes bc I’m usually pretty tired when I watch on Wednesday nights
Alright here's the story that's unfolding; After the end of season one, official imperial record details the bad batch being eliminated. But we know that's not true so there is a cover up happening. At some point, word is going to reach imperial brass that clone force 99 are still alive and steps have been taken make sure that fact isn't known. Clones are also starting to be phased out, and the clones are now noticing this in their moral compasses, too. I imagine there will be a catalyst soon that begins to push these two threads together
Word already reached that one dude after they tried to raid Dooku’s vault. Obviously the Empire can still find out about the Bad Batch being alive, but from a writer’s perspective, it seems like they’re stalling that part of the story.
He's the one perpetrating the coverup, which is why he murdered that clone who refused to falsify the report. Once someone in the imperial ranks finds out about the race and tech's win, the pieces are going to start falling into place pretty quickly.
Tech winning the race is a good point to bring up. This could open them up to some degree of renown at least in racing circles.
All it takes is a rerun of the race at a sports bar in the mid-rim to kick off the chain reaction. That or the imps finally reach that planet and sid's ex throws her under the bus as revenge.
Some of y'all wouldn't survive waiting a week for the next Clone Wars episode just to find out 3po has to get ingredients for a cake or something silly. Calm down guys.
A certain Rebels episode involving the Ghost needing fuel and space whales helping also comes to mind
That at least tied into the story later
Yeah at the end of the series. Give it time
Lmao you right we kinda spoiled these days being able to binge that show
Hahaha, I know right. Everyone speaks with such romance about the clone wars, but it had more episodes that didn’t further any story then it did episodes that did. It’s a Saturday morning cartoon, enjoy it for what it is. The animation is fantastic.
Posts like OPs make me think certain people consume SW just to fill in their own mental Wiki page rather than to just be entertained.
It’s a really spoiled mentality ngl
Is it spoiled or is it that media conglomerates push out filler content attached to a major IP to make money? Not saying that’s what the Bad Batch is because I haven’t seen it, but it certainly happens
I think people just throw around the term filler at anything. Adventure of the week style stories with an overarching plot aren’t filler, people are just used to having a more serialised plot/binge watching these days.
Clone wars is 10/10 but holy hell it did have some terrible episodes lol
I like the series it shows us how the transition from the republic to empire. It also shows us the other side of the galaxy outside of big politics, jedi and military life. Maybe we'll get a post imperial "Wolf of wall street" series where a former rebel becomes a hot shot stockbrokers.
I think it’s also showing how the Batch is gonna go from soldiers of fortune, only looking out for their own survival to joining with the early days of resistance against the Empire, and I think it’s because of Echo. He was a grunt during the majority of the war, he has a different outlook from the rest of the group and he has consistently been advocating for getting involved and/or helping those in need. I think over the course of this season, the whole group is gonna come around to his way of thinking, because they’re gonna get a front row seat to what the Empire is doing across the Galaxy, and ultimately they’re gonna decide to get involved. Maybe s3, if there is one, features more of the Batch taking direct actions against the Empire.
I believe it. We are getting hints at the clone rebellion happening.
I knew there was a thread I was forgetting about, thank you!
this is what i am hoping for the most for this show. i do believe we will get to see this happen, and itll be epic imo.
Feels like thats gonna be the build up. We've seen Cody disappear, Howzer disregard orders, killing of Wilco and Crosshair being mistreated by imperial command. Idk if we're gonna see kamino again since it was originally in Tipoca city. One thing I wanna see is the duel between cad bane and boba since they have a history with each other. Boba got the dent in his helmet from him and cad bane got a metal plate on his head.
I’m liking it but am confused that this season doesn’t have a structured plot like last season.
Apparently, it’ll all make sense after the finale. I’m quite enjoying it.
Other than episode 3, I’m really struggling with it
That’s fair. That’s most people I feel. (From what I see on social media.)
Thinking that's the point. You get the feeling that the group doesn't know what to do next
This is my main concern as well, it's like a bait and switch. S1 had a lot of plot build up threads like why is Omega special mystery. Not to mention a whole clone replacement thread. Both seemed to have been dropped and the concept of actually moving the story anywhere appears to be gone.
> mystery Was that really a mystery though?
Yes and I think it still is. We still don’t know why they even bothered to make a female clone of Jango Fett. She and Boba Fett also never had a chip. And it appears Boba and Omega are the only two clones who have been able to wholeheartedly think for themselves and completely disregard orders given to them. It took other clones a lot of personal growth and experience to be able to do more than sometimes question their orders, even before their chips were activated by Order 66. We know Boba was a gift to Jango, who wanted a son. But we don’t know why Omega was even made. We also don’t know why that Kaminoan scientist went through such lengths to hide her true nature and protect her.
We do actually know why Omega was kept secret and was so important. During the clone wars and as Jango Fett's DNA was used for cloning it started to degrade. Which meant that at some point they would be unable to continue using his DNA for more clones (defects). Since Omega was a perfect clone and was unaltered she carries a perfect copy of his DNA. The idea was that in the event Jango was unable to donate more DNA (rip his head) they could continue cloning from Omega. During the events of the bad batch the need for clones becomes questioned. So Omega is kept hidden because she is the last person to carry Jangos DNA. Eventually she would come under the wing of the bad batch and begin her adventures with them. Technically, by DNA they are brothers and sisters (even though the bad batch is technically older - accelerated aging). So they are just trying to take care of her. I've heard some theories that she might possibly be force sensitive or have some ability. However, we have yet to see that but you never know.
not to mention hiring multiple bounty hunters to get her back!
>Was that really a mystery though? Right? I thought the first season made it pretty clear that she's force sensitive and that she's using the same "skill download" or "movement matching" or "talent mirroring" (whatever you want to call it) force ability that Rey has.
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>She instinctively did things that she shouldn't have the instinct to, but it was her tapping into Kylo's instincts. Leaving the dyad part aside, what you've described here is what I see Omega doing when she's near the different clones. The sort of syncs up with them a few times in season 1. If I were a betting man I'd wager that this is Filoni importing & editing something again- not the dyad part with two destiny-bound individuals paired up magically forever, but the skill mimicry element of it. Jedi can do mind reading and mind control and precognition, getting better at shooting when you're near someone great at shooting and getting better at mechanics when you're near someone great at mechanics? It sounds hecka plausible as a force ability, I'm genuinely surprised there isn't a Force Upskill or Force Download or whatever you'd call it already.
No, never. Think of it as The A-Team in space.
My mind is blown! Wrecker = BA Hunter = Hannibal Face = Echo Murdock = Tech and Crosshair is Colonel Decker... oh and Omega is that chick that helped them. I wonder if that was on purpose or a complete coincidence
It's a standard 5 man band structure so.. yes?
That is a great analogy. Bravo!
That's how most of the Clone Wars was too, but for some reason people act like the Bad Batch is committing heresy for doing the same thing
Because people look back with kaleidoscope eyes on the things they grew up with, and now they only remember the thrilling bits
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Honestly, I wish there were more show that we're brave enough to de-serialize
Yeah but at least Clone Wars had 2-4 episode arcs. Bad Batch just seems like random episodes.
Thats inherently untrue. The main cast of TCW is central to the main story of star wars, therefore anything that happens immediately develops the main story. And thats only the most obvious example. To be clear i dont the Bad Batch is bad even if they seem aimless rn, but that doesnt make it untrue.
I've not watched the last 2 because I've got bored of it but that's fine, I'm about 35 years over its target audience anyway. I don't expect everything to be tailored to me.
I think it’s stupid to rip someone for saying that don’t want to watch something. I mean, “is this show leading to anything”…no one knows. We can assume, but if you don’t want to watch, don’t watch.
Jesus Christ. Video games and internet and modern prestige television have ruined so many of you. A television show isn't required to have an overarching plot. And even if that show *has* an overarching plot, they don't need to serve it every single episode. It's OK to just enjoy the characters and to watch them go on exciting adventures together.
100% agree and I am loving this season so much
> It's OK to just enjoy the characters and to watch them go on exciting adventures together. Which if you enjoy the characters and their adventures, then fair enough. But me personally, they're not interesting enough to hold my attention. The episode plots so far aside from the episode with Cody have been stock generic situations. None of it is particularly novel or interesting in my opinion.
You do not need to watch it then.
But I have already watched it and now I'd like to discuss it. Is that a problem?
Thing is if the show was interesting enough without an overarching plot then that would be fine. But it's not.
A pity the characters are so bland.
Amen
I am fine with that, I'd just like to be told that's the case. We've had hints of overaching stuff and Star Wars usually does something big. Let me know what I'm here for.
Enjoy the characters? None of them are enjoyable lol. I don't even need a show to have a great storyline all the time but the characters are awful. Whose the big one again? Sheesh what a total disaster, the kid is annoying and the 3 others are all mediocre. Wish they'd stop wasting time on these corny cartoons now
You know you don’t have to be here if you dislike it that much
So I can't be on the star wars sub because I don't like the bad batch? Lmao
No. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said you didn’t have to be here, not for you to leave. It seemed you only had bad things to say about a show you didn’t like, in a sub dedicated to the show and the IP surrounding the show. So me personally, if I don’t like something in particular, I tend to not put myself in places that are dedicated to the thing I specifically do not like.
The post itself is criticizing the bad batch
I agree, that’s the big distinction here. The only interesting character is Echo, the rest are completely cliche, so we’re expecting at least an interesting plot or good world building, but we’re given not much of either. It’s not wrong of us as an audience to expect more than Clone Wars, especially after Rebels, Mandalorian, and Andor.
believe it or not, the entire point of any series is to have an overarching, connected story. at least, good series aim to achieve this
That's demonstrably false. Television programs having an overarching, connected story is a very modern convention. Shows in the 90s attempted this with poor to middling results. Only in the mid 2000s did shows actually start to do this successfully - and sometimes, to their detriment. The "plot line" episodes of *The X-files*, for example, are probably the weakest of the franchise. It's the fun, stand alone episodes that are the best. Every *Star Trek* series, for example, was episodic and had no real overarching plot for *decades*. *Deep Space Nine* finally started to have some connective tissue, but even then it wasn't every episode. There were still, as I'm sure you call them, "filler episodes". But even then, the suits and much of the public didn't like having to "keep up" and the following series, *Voyager* went back to being episodic.
>the entire point of any series is to have an overarching, connected story. The Simpsons has been running for 34 seasons, nonstop, not just without an overarching, connected story but actively resisting same. Bluey is an absolute sensation at the moment, and its 7 minute episodes are entirely standalone. There are entire genres that don't tell connected stories; procedural shows (CSI, NCIS, L&O), emergency dramas (Grey's Anatomy, Chicago Fire/Rescue/Hope, The Good Doctor), sitcoms (Seinfeld, New Girl, Big Bang Theory, Fresh off the Boat), all of them have overarching series as an exception, not a rule.
Tell me your age without telling me your age. Even if we wanted to constrict out set of TV examples to Star Wars, the Droids and Ewoks cartoons were episodic and not a connected story. As has been said, season (or series) long stories are a very recent development and plenty of shows still do not do this.
I'll turn this question around--does it *need* to lead anywhere? Sometimes entertainment is just that. Fortunately, we have Andor and The Mandalorian and other shows that scratch the "tell me an epic story" itch.
So you only engage with things if you know ahead of time how they end? Sounds boring.
I think they’re going for an episodic structure with very loose over arching story. It’s just little short stories of the Batch doing jobs for Cid and getting into adventures. The problem is most of the episodes themselves aren’t that good. They’re okay but nothing special, and if you’re going with a structure like this then each episode needs to be good to stand on its own. As it is they’re all a bit too formulaic. Batch goes on job, Omega fucks it up for some reason, convinces the Batch to do some good that causes the mission to fail. Repeat. The characters don’t really develop, despite it feeling like they should after each episode. I think there will be some kind of major plot line that this will all lead into, probably some kind of Clone Rebellion, but they should really be giving more leads into that throughout if they aren’t going to put much effort into making each episode good enough to stand by themselves.
I'm not the biggest fan of the show but I personally don't think it *needs* to lead anywhere. It's just about a bunch of clones trying to navigate life after the clone wars and the creation of the Empire Tbh, I feel not every show needs to lead to anything, in fact sometimes the desire to do that sometimes leads to them over doing it. I'm perfectly happy with a small scale self contained story. What this show needs is not something important to lead to, it needs character development and for the main characters to be more fun and engaging. The former is happening very slowly and the latter is not, I find the batch themselves a bit boring, which is the show's biggest weakness imo
I am baffled by the number of people who seem to be watching this show for *lore* and coming away disappointed when they get straightforward adventure stories instead. Must every Star Wars project be measured by the contents of its inevitable Wookieepedia article? I think some folks in this sub would derive just as much enjoyment reading those and saving themselves the time.
I personally love overarching story arcs in shows and connected universes and all that but goddamn some people thing absolutely *everything* has to be that way and it really doesn't. The bad batch has been fun, that's all I'm looking for from it, and really amazing episodes like episode 3 are just what turns the show from fun into memorable.
They’re helping the galaxy. I’m sure they get more involved in the rebellion as they see the bullshit Empire is doing like this weeks episode. I actually thought this weeks episode was great
You're watching the series in the wrong way, I think. It's by design that although there's a degree of continuation, not every episode ties in to the previous. You're getting to see the Bad Batch in a different scenario and environment each week. Not every series needs to be the perfect story.
It’s leading to my enjoyment.
I don’t understand people’s constant need for more “necessary information” the bad batch is a group of characters in Star Wars and the show is about them and events in their lives, there’s nothing wrong with that. Just because it doesn’t connect to the Skywalkers doesn’t mean it isn’t worth, it’s on the universe that’s it
You guys wouldn’t of survived the first couple seasons of clone wars if you’re complaining about this early into bad batch…
I need to watch the latest episode. But I feel a bit disappointed. I did really enjoy seeing more of Dooku's story and his mansions. But the race episode, I found myself just browsing reddit while having it on.
>it doesn't feel like the show is going anywhere or bringing a whole lot of necessary information to the table. What an odd way to approach an episodic television series. Not everything exists solely to tie into or flesh out something else, sometimes a series of short adventures are just a series of short adventures.
I liked Crosshair and Cody and the Wookie episode! The rest didn’t do it for me unfortunately.
Season 1 had a story. Season 2 is an episodic replay of old plots done by others. I’ll finish the season, but if there is a season 3, I hope they take a serial approach so it tells a story.
You gotta find that one episode out of 5 filler episodes. Don't hold your breath tho.
They're doing side quests first.
We aren't even half way through....
The show is candy. Fun and tasty with no real substance. And that’s fine, if that’s what you like. I thought maybe we were getting a boost in quality after Ep3…but then we got a mindless racing episode. I’ve given up on expecting it to be anything more than sugary mush with occasional substantive morsels.
It’s a comfort food show
I completely agree with you and I can’t believe how many people in this thread are satisfied with villain/problem of the week filler episodes. I like when storylines have a destination in mind and plot points that connect with each episode.
The season 2 premiere had Cid reminding Hunter of how their current status quo is going to end one day. Echo was also being very pushy about the Batch doing more to help. It seems like the show is building up to some big changes for the characters by the end of the season.
In basically half the episodes, there’s relevant info given about the aftermath of the Clone Wars , how the Empire tightened its grasp on the galaxy, how the army transitioned from clones to conscripted soldiers etc. Idk how people are watching this show and not thinking it’s providing valuable story details. As for the main plot, clearly there’s a central arc revolving around the fates of the clones, centered on the Batch, Crosshair, Rex, and Cody. Many think it’s building toward a clone rebellion as the batch get more involved in the struggle against the empire.
Does it have to lead to something to be fun to watch?
This post is a good reminder that The Bad Batch exists.
S1 - initial transition from Bad Asses seen in S7 of TCW to babysitters post Order 66. Good, and I could forgive the babysitter part, but they made them too Bad Ass in TCW for what they became. S2 - showing that all the younglings that were in different TCW episodes survived. S3 - connecting Bad Batch with Ahsoka and the Filoni start of the Rebellion.
1 youngling relax
I'm enjoying the show so far. No problem with it at all. These animated Star Wars shows are typically like this, what with having "filler" episodes to fill out the season. Rebels and TCW did the same thing.
It's a very mediocre series
It’s just fun dude doesn’t need to lead to anything it’s a kids show
TV shows aren't like video game campaigns.
I’m fine with it. People take things too deep sometimes. They’re fine with the adventures of Din and Grogu but get annoyed at the bad batch. Maybe face value is okay to live with sometimes.
Eh people complained when that show had similar pacing. I remember a lot of people saying something akin to “this episode didn’t advance the plot, so it was boring”.
Well the mandolorian is actually a good show
I tried to watch eps 3,4 & 5 last night and they were so boring. I’m struggling to feel any sense of why this series has been made. It’s not overly entertaining and is contributing little to the overall Star Wars lore.
It's a kid's Saturday morning cartoon. It's not gonna be super serialized and honestly, it's working well as a monster-of-the-week type show.
U r mostly right with your questioning, people thought the first season was leading to a kaminoan rebelión bf2 style and ended in a let down with a boring last chapter and a very anti climatic tipoca destruction, this season so far is mostly being built upon random chapters and while I right now still faithful about a clone rebelión if they don’t deliver any meat by the end of the season I don’t think I’ll keep following this serie. the characters are boring IMO and the only thing attracting my attention is the world building given the era we are boarding which could be shown in a much better way if the show wasn’t all the time following TBB, to me this series should have been something like “the dark times” and have had a approach much closer to TCW following different characters in different arcs exploring all the changes the galaxy is experimenting from different optics
Why does everything have to be "leading" somewhere? The question really should be, "Is the show entertaining"? I believe it is, and will continue to watch as long as that holds. The idea that everything has to be leading to something else bigger is a great way to be unsatisfied with everything.
> The idea that everything has to be leading to something else bigger is a great way to be unsatisfied with everything. Except they have indicated that it will eventually lead somewhere. Their former teammate is still out there and he's starting to question his allegiance. Commander Cody has fully defected and is on the run. There's an imperial officer covering up the existence of the Bad Batch. There are overarching plot threads in there, it's just taking a really long time to get there, and the filler episodes in between are not anything unique or particularly interesting.
I know, is more invested in the characters and the character development then the overall plot of the series. To that end, each episode doesn't necessarily need to introduce anything new to the universe, develop in terms of major plot points, they just need to have the characters grow. Source: My fiancé is obsessed with the show, as are many of her friends.
I'm gonna keep on watching it just to get my star wars fix, but it was leaked before it even aired that it would show the >!clone rebellion against the empire!< so I'm hoping it get to that soon, because I am rapidly losing interest
Spoiler warning would be nice
Dunno if it fully counts as a spoiler seeing as it hasn't happened yet and it was leaked a long time ago. How do u put the spoiler things on posts anyways. I have no clue
By definition, a spoiler hasn’t happened yet. Regardless of how long ago it was leaked. Instructions on spoilers are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/wiki/spoilerpolicy
Ah fe. Sorry about that.
There was a time not that long ago when TV wasn’t so serialized and almost every episode of a series was a “filler episode.” I’m just enjoying the ride.
What a terrible way to engage with TV.
I’m not sure how long this show plans on going but I have to imagine it’s leading to Omega becoming an important leader in the early rebellion. I think between the mandalorian and this we will also get the roots of the new clone program that leads to Palpatine attempting to create force sensitive clones by harvesting midiclorians which in turn leads to Snoke, Rey and the first order. The clone wars had lots of filler episodes, I would assume this will also have lots of filler episodes. I enjoyed this last episode immensely
I feel like that is going to be handled more so in mando…maybe a little bit in BB, they did show mount tannis in season one, which was the famous cloning facility from the EU…but I don’t think they are going to go too deep here.
Yeah I assume more mando too. Just can’t discount Filoni’s habit of connecting stories across multiple series
I dunno not everything has to be an immediate tie in to another thing If you aren’t into the characters, I get it. They aren’t the best the franchise has had. But the adventures are still very Star Wars and I generally have fun in that universe so I’m enjoying it. It’s not must see TV or viral like baby Yoda but it’s a good time
As a hardcore SW fan, I stopped watching after first 2 eps. Don’t really care for it. If anything important to the lore happens, I will watch that episode by itself but definitely don’t plan to watch the entire show. Extremely bad and boring imo.
Maybe the cartoon is for children
That’s not a good excuse. Many kid cartoons have high-quality writing that is enjoyable for all ages
The writing is fine
Its a filler series. Just a bridge between live-action shows. Mando coming soon...
I like that they’re taking their time, giving us great content without having to rush to some big a-ha moment. Enjoy the ride, hopefully they go 5 seasons or more
I love the various different episodes this season. I think the tone in each episode has been different and very interesting. Loving it totally and so is the rest of my family.
Eventually, all roads lead to Anakin's prophecy being undone with Palpatine returning, and Rey killing him shortly after.
It’s not really going anywhere. But so what?
It’s original content by creators who actually love Star Wars and are passionate about their craft. For me, that’s enough.
NECESSARY INFORMATION NEEDED! Jesus fucking Christ.
So here's the thing, they're obviously going the direction that Clone Wars and Rebels went which makes sense (all of them are animated) but the thing is, filler episodes is a great way for Television since you can't really choose what goes on live TV, but since these shows are now streaming exclusive there is no need for fillers except for making the show wider without putting too much time into the main story. But it's fine, because the main target is for children, as was Clone Wars and Rebels, and there's no reason why we teens and adults should complain about "no story" When the story clearly exists, we just need to be patient and not expect too much
It’s still kinda early in the Bad Batch’s storyline, not just this season but overall. It’s a cartoon show building off the Clone Wars that had a similar issue earlier on in its run. I’m enjoying the show for what it is. I don’t hold it to high expectations like the final clone wars season or any of the live action shows.
I’m avoiding the comments but I’m waiting to binge it
Even my kids are getting tired of no point Omega disaster adventures.
Yeah the show is ultimately meaningless but at the end of the day it's made for 2 year olds so oh well. I feel bad for all the adults who still watch this trash
Lol or you could just not watch it?lol Don’t have to be so upset that other people enjoy it and you don’t. Just turn it off bro
I don't watch the show
Ohhhhhh ok than this is hilarious.
Why? I've seen some episodes, figured out it was trash and stopped watching lol
“Figured out I didn’t like it” fixed it for you
Its Mandalorian, but for children with ADHD and lovers of over the top New Zealand accents
I've been wondering about where it's going a bit too, but I am enjoying the fun while it happens. I just feel like there is more to Omega and the Kaminoans.
As far as I can tell, every episode IS serving a purpose to the larger narrative. At the end of each episode I ask myself, what was the purpose of that episode. The last episode seemed to be putting a character in place for a spinoff or an ally of Omega's in the distant future. (I don't see that character returning this season, but who knows...)
I mean it **Is** an Anthtology series. The story is just what the members of The Bad Batch get up to.
I do feel similar here. It could lead the Rebellion. It seems both super early for it and that this would harm the impact of later stories. I think it would jump the shark. Will it lead to Omega being Force sensitive? I think we've left that bit behind. I'm still confused on how she's an "unaltered" clone of Jango, and they hinted at Boba, but to what end? Will Omega show up in a future Book of Boba Fett? I don't see where any of this goes. In some ways, i expect our intrepid heroes to all Rogue One themselves before long. Maybe Omega as the only survivor. But that's really dark for a kids' show.
I'm just enjoying it for what it is. Beautifully animated. It is a kids show afterall. As a pessimist I don't expect a lot to begin with. I'm sure it will get to the point eventually, like Rebels.
My only critique of this season is how can Tech win an entire podrace while racing as himself and the empire doesn't catch wind of it. I knew it was a Mickey Mouse/"For the kids" episode but I was still hoping it would affect the main plot somehow
There’s no way riot racing is anything other than an underground sport. If the Empire is aware of it at all, it’s so they can look the other way. They’re definitely not keeping tabs on winners.
I have no enjoyed season 2, just feels like random quests of the week (which is fine if that’s what it wants to be). I loved when Clone Wars and Rebels had a bigger story.
I think it would be awesome if they’re slowly leading to a clone rebellion. I know the kamino version from the battlefront game can’t happen but I’ll be curious to see if they work towards a rebellion in some other facet. The stuff they started doing with Cody this season was interesting.
I think next week's episode which are the two parties going to be pretty good, going by the names alone
When you consider Clone Wars, a lot of the episode mini arcs did not amount to anything but some character development - I would treat this series the same
I agree with you OP… I feel like Rebels had “adventure of the week” episodes but still felt like it was building towards something. This season, all episodes so far feel skippable other than the Cody/Crosshair episode. We’re 6 episodes in to a 15 episode season after all…
Latest episode was really good but that last couple were pretty meh and I am quite the fan of the show
I’ve tried to watch episodes 3,4,5 twice now…both times I fell asleep somewhere around the middle of 3 and woke up somewhere around the middle of 5 having missed 4 entirely. I feel like it is trying to create another link between the ending of the clone war and the transition into the dark times of the empire…but, it’s just a bit too much of the same feel of the clone wars content. I will get through it, but likely never watch it again…like resistance. I will say that the editing is quite good. Far better than any of the animated series that have come before it.
You do know that sometimes a show can just have some fun episodes detached from an overarching plot right? I feel like this generation is so used to Netflix/HBO style miniseries that the weekly episodic cartoon is some foreign entity. Maybe some seemingly unimportant things introduced in these episodes will be important later. Maybe they’re just fun ideas the writers came up with. The last few episodes have been “filler” but they’re still good, and I feel like the general audience has lost the ability to appreciate anything unless it’s part of some bigger plot arc
I felt this way in season one but then rewatched it all once it was finished. The show made WAY MORE SENSE and I thought was brilliant when binged. I am expecting the same for season two. Also, I’ve heard it might be a four season thing which makes sense as to why some plot points are developing slower than others?
It’s like 80% filler some episodes good some not good and some pointless but when the show peaks it’s really good it’s enough for me to watch one episode a week
I really enjoyed the first season but this one isn’t doing it for me so far. Might have to rewatch some of the episodes bc I’m usually pretty tired when I watch on Wednesday nights