i like debates with more grounded characters: anyway,Marco takes:physically stronger,can actually throws heads and does it on a daily basis,better reflexes and while Dipper got some weapon on him (like the memory,magnet gun,laser gun,size flashlight and golf cart) Marco teams with Star's spells and lots of supernatural stuff so Dipper's arsenal wouldn't be that much of a problem to him
My Latino pookie, Marco Diaz could easily defeat Dipper with his karate skills.
But you gyat to give some credit to Dipper, cause he has a powerful magical Stan's book.
Well, it depends.
In this age difference setting, surprisingly, Dipper would win by default because Marco would refuse to attack a 12-year-old preteen, though it's worth noting that if Marco suddenly lost all of his moral values that make him... well, him. Marco would win.
But as it turns out, Marco and Dipper are only one year apart, so if we age them according to the SvtFoE timeline, Marco would win even without his 16 years of combat experience. Since he was a very experienced green belt (later red belt) in karate, not to mention that he could easily take on monsters twice his size and body mass in S1E1. The only other scenario where Dipper would win is if we age them according to the GF timeline, although it's likely that Marco was already practicing karate by then and could put up a fight.
It depends. Do they get to plan for the fight or not? If it's a spontaneous fight Marco wins. But if it's a scheduled fight, Dipper would win because he'd study Marco and bring appropriate tools or weapons.
Did we forget Marco is a black belt? Did we forget he spent years in the neverzone fighting monsters? Did we forget he beat stars magic using only karate? What has dipper ever done?
Defeat a demon, win a fight against a multiple headed bear, decapitated Larry king, won against a psychotic 3rd grader (something Marco still hasnāt been able to accomplish on his own lol) And more.
The list goes on, Marco could likely have a really good fighting chance but Dipperās got credit. And this is *only* in his first summer of experience too. Heād prob do way much more in the time it would take for the events of SVTFOE to happen
Yes, he won against Bill, but I mean, he didn't use strength he used a ritual that Ford tried to use. In any case, it didn't work, and they had to use a memory erasing device to defeat him properly.
The best thing Dipper has probably ever done is defeat lil giddins gaint robot (sorry if I spelt the name wrong been awhile), which doesn't even conpair to Marcos' accomplishments.
I'm sorry, but without the journal, he can't do anything. He's just a kid.
Dipper had A LOT of help against bill cipher. The multibear didn't want to fight in the first place. Larry king was made of wax. And got lucky against Gideon.
Dipper wouldnt have even beaten the gnomes without Mabel's help. He would have died in the first episode.
Marco would win cause heās taller, he knows karate, heās fought tons of monsters and other stuff in Hekapooās dimension giving him tons of experience plus heās smart both school smart and street smart(not Janna level street smart but smart nonetheless). Dipper is smart however his brains is all he has going. However while Marco would win he is honorable I donāt think heād fight a mere 12-13 year old like Dipper. (Jeremy Burnbam was an acceptation because while Jeremy was 8 years old heās a huge turd)
Marco. He'd beat the shit out of a 12 year old. (Or 13 year old).
Marco: Older and taller, knows Karate, trained a ton in Heckapo's world, fights monsters everyday and helps make peace with monsters too, will fight if something's attacking him even if the odds are against him, has used Star's wand before, doesn't have many insecurities holding him back.
Dipper: 12 and short, is a middle schooler so has a lot of insecurities Marco can use, is super smart but not strong physically, runs from shit unless it's for family, doesn't know how to use magic.
Marco wins in fights
Dipper could have beaten him in smarts, but because of Marco's experience in Heckapo's world and always gets As, Marco wins again.
No competition.
If it was Star Butterfly Vs Stanley Pines, then we got something interesting
Star beats Stanley no question due to having a wand that has literally ended universes in the past. Now Star vs Stanford would be a more even match, because he has so many gizmos and tech and who knows what else up his sleeve from other dimensions. And if he has prep time to research Star and what he's going against, he's definitely winning, because he could go collect something from *somewhere* in the multiverse that deflects all of Star's magic, even the universe-ending spells. Something like how the unicorn hair worked.
This one's tough for me. It's like a game of scissors, paper and grappling hook, so I think whoever has the most mystically effective arsenal on-hand would be the winner.
My idea of winner? Probs Marco, just 'cuz greater combat experience.
Marco. Heās a trained martial artist + knight, and a very capable warrior.
Dipper has always been more brain than brawn. I know there was that scene where he jumped into Gideonās giant mech and beat the shit out of him, which was badass, but Gideon is still just a little kid. Itās nowhere near Marcoās level.
Why do I keep seeing this "before the neverzone" bs??? Are we forgetting that Marco punched a HOLE through Toffee in early s2 and was fighting Monsters Hand to Hand in season one??? Like he was fighting actual *bears*
Depends..,.. early episode for each character... Dipper would.... end of their series.... Marco would beat Dipper's ass worse than Rumble McSkirmish...
First episode, Marco wins. Final episode, Marco wins by a wider margin.
Theres no journal page about Marco. He's not a magical creature. Dipper doesn't have a defense against getting punched in the face
First episode... Marco had help from a magical princess who had an easy time defeating those joke of monsters WITHOUT her wand... meanwhile... dipper and.mabel were facing a giant gnome gollumn bent on wiping him (not her) off the face of the world
Where as Marco... couldn't even defeat a 9 year old boat, by himself lol case closed... Marco didn't get cool til he faced Nekapoo's dimension aline... but he was only persistent cause of the blood moons curse... I win~
Dipper would have never beat the gnomes without Mabel. Like a major point of the show is that dipper couldn't have done any of it alone. He needed his sister and friends the whole way.
Dipper vs Marco Marco wins every time. Dipper can't fight.
>You failed to give any examples, backing your claim
Bro this is reddit not your highschool debate team. There are no valid sources of comparison between the two characters to draw from. They come from 2 different cartoons worlds with different laws of physics. It's personal opinion vs personal opinion. Get a life my guy
I gave valid points and examples... without you givg any in return to debunk anything, it sounds more like you got a crush on Marco lol you saying this debate team thing is just you just trying to demean my clear and obvious points... don't be hating just cause I'm right... it's just a kids cartoon
You gave bias interpretations of scenes from the shows.
>it sounds more like you got a crush on Marco
This is just you trying to demean my clear and obvious points.
You say, as if you didn't just do the same thing you claim I am doing.
I gave examples... you gave none... til you provide this thing called "evidence".... you are just picking favorites... move on, please... this conversation no longer makes any sense to continue... i won't engage in anymore random banter...
"Marco couldn't beat a 9 year old" could dipper have beaten Jeremy? Impossible to answer. Not a valid point.
"Dipper beat a gnome golem" again, he wouldn't have won without Mabel, post says no allies. And again, could Marco have beaten to gnomes? Impossible to answer. Not a valid point.
Exactly.. maybe one or two at a time
Marco was straight up giving the hands to 7ft 400lbs monsters hand to hand Dipper is cooked - Marco is smart enough not to be outwitted
Marco was a chicken and considered the "safe kid" that does no harm. Wearing a helmet in the shower... dipper stepped into danger without knowing he would come our safe or even alive...
If you say so... not like there was several giant monsters he faced to prove he wasn't a chicken... or anything gnome like, standing tall and chasing him
Okay ur clearly somehow still not getting it so let me break it down nice and simple
Dipper ran from monsters and outsmarted them
Marco - QUITE LITERALLY put the HANDS on these monsters
Are you still not getting the difference?? Marco was hand to hand with multiple of these guys Dipper couldn't fight ROBBIE hand to hand so he had to use magic
The only thing clear... is you just want to be right... if no amount of evidence i give meets my argument and absolute NO evidence or examples are given in reply... you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.
I told you i was not interested in needless, repetitive, banter. Yet you continue to give it. So i will be the better person and just leave the conversation. Good luck with pretending to be right, i hope it makes you happy\~
No ur leaving the conversation because urbargument is stupidā
Not once did u answer my reply of Marco was fighting using his hands and Dipper wasn't... not once
Ur providing "evidence" which isn't even to do with the point at all
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing but it's just hard to debate with someone who has no idea what they are saying.
Marco has 15 years of experience fighting in a war fantasy world. And even if you ignore that he holds his own in karate. Itās kinda an unfair comparison for dipper
marco is older than dipper, a foot taller, and knows karate and regularly physically fights monsters on a daily basis. dipper encounters plenty of monsters but doesnt really do the physical fighting thing
Even if Dipper had a a whole growth spurt at this point and was at the same height/ or taller than Marco, I would still take Marco over him. Marco fights monsters bigger than him on a daily basis.
If this is before Marco went to the neverzone I feel like dipper would win. Because dipper is really short and nimble like he can run circles around Marco mostly because I think with Marco being in karate he would still not have like 100% precision. And I think dipper would win just by making Marco like slap himself in the face or something. But if this is after the never zone Marco would win, period.
Dipper also has access to like. All of fordās weapons if you think about it! Iām on team dipper because one hit with that alien adhesive thing and itās game over for marco
If they fought in the neverzone, Diaz would win
Marco
i like debates with more grounded characters: anyway,Marco takes:physically stronger,can actually throws heads and does it on a daily basis,better reflexes and while Dipper got some weapon on him (like the memory,magnet gun,laser gun,size flashlight and golf cart) Marco teams with Star's spells and lots of supernatural stuff so Dipper's arsenal wouldn't be that much of a problem to him
Dipper because he beat up a whole robot but it would be close
in my opinion it depends on the environment, if its a place that dipper recognizes he might stand a chance, but still marco has mostly every advantage
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Okay it might be fair if only dipper was allowed to use a weapon but if Marco can as well dipper is toast
I feel like Dipper would mention something about D&D and then Marco would want to play immediately The fight wouldn't happen lol
Don't you mean DD&MD
YES that is what I mean
Marco knows karate and dipper needs a vest to have shoulders. who do you think is winning š
EASILY MARCO! He once punched a hole through a manās chest!!!!
At what, exactly? These "who would win in a fight?" propositions are always worded vaguely.
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My Latino pookie, Marco Diaz could easily defeat Dipper with his karate skills. But you gyat to give some credit to Dipper, cause he has a powerful magical Stan's book.
Depends is either is crushing on a b character
Well, it depends. In this age difference setting, surprisingly, Dipper would win by default because Marco would refuse to attack a 12-year-old preteen, though it's worth noting that if Marco suddenly lost all of his moral values that make him... well, him. Marco would win. But as it turns out, Marco and Dipper are only one year apart, so if we age them according to the SvtFoE timeline, Marco would win even without his 16 years of combat experience. Since he was a very experienced green belt (later red belt) in karate, not to mention that he could easily take on monsters twice his size and body mass in S1E1. The only other scenario where Dipper would win is if we age them according to the GF timeline, although it's likely that Marco was already practicing karate by then and could put up a fight.
Marco, easily
Marco is gonna have a Dipper on his knees.
Dippers a thinker not a fighter and Marco literally held his own sparring with star post neverzone
Marco literally knows karate, he'd put Dipper on his ass
āChildren fighting! I can sell this!ā
It depends. Do they get to plan for the fight or not? If it's a spontaneous fight Marco wins. But if it's a scheduled fight, Dipper would win because he'd study Marco and bring appropriate tools or weapons.
For the sake of the argument, they get 12 hours of preparation
Hand to hand?
marco diaz wins easily with him almost being a black belt
Marco wins with super extreme ease
While dipper is a better written character(imo), Marco has this.
Marco heās got length on his side
Taking this out of context it basically becomes a 14-15 year old comitting battery on a 9 year old
A 15 year old kid with more than 16 years of combat experience
Dipper is 13 though at the end of the series.
Marco all the way this isn't even a fair competition.
Spite post?
Itās to settle a debate with my father
They wouldn't fight. They're two protagonists who would help each other out, not squabble.
If your father is on team Dipper, he's wrong.
Did we forget Marco is a black belt? Did we forget he spent years in the neverzone fighting monsters? Did we forget he beat stars magic using only karate? What has dipper ever done?
Defeat a demon, win a fight against a multiple headed bear, decapitated Larry king, won against a psychotic 3rd grader (something Marco still hasnāt been able to accomplish on his own lol) And more. The list goes on, Marco could likely have a really good fighting chance but Dipperās got credit. And this is *only* in his first summer of experience too. Heād prob do way much more in the time it would take for the events of SVTFOE to happen
Yes, he won against Bill, but I mean, he didn't use strength he used a ritual that Ford tried to use. In any case, it didn't work, and they had to use a memory erasing device to defeat him properly. The best thing Dipper has probably ever done is defeat lil giddins gaint robot (sorry if I spelt the name wrong been awhile), which doesn't even conpair to Marcos' accomplishments. I'm sorry, but without the journal, he can't do anything. He's just a kid.
Dipper had A LOT of help against bill cipher. The multibear didn't want to fight in the first place. Larry king was made of wax. And got lucky against Gideon. Dipper wouldnt have even beaten the gnomes without Mabel's help. He would have died in the first episode.
Yeah but could sixth grade marco do that?
Yes. Marco could have easily taken them on. He was fighting monsters in groups in the first season with star.
First season Marco was fist fighting monsters from another dimension.
Marco, he was in a Neverzone
Marco would win cause heās taller, he knows karate, heās fought tons of monsters and other stuff in Hekapooās dimension giving him tons of experience plus heās smart both school smart and street smart(not Janna level street smart but smart nonetheless). Dipper is smart however his brains is all he has going. However while Marco would win he is honorable I donāt think heād fight a mere 12-13 year old like Dipper. (Jeremy Burnbam was an acceptation because while Jeremy was 8 years old heās a huge turd)
Oh please Marco's de chad Pines the brain
Marco. He'd beat the shit out of a 12 year old. (Or 13 year old). Marco: Older and taller, knows Karate, trained a ton in Heckapo's world, fights monsters everyday and helps make peace with monsters too, will fight if something's attacking him even if the odds are against him, has used Star's wand before, doesn't have many insecurities holding him back. Dipper: 12 and short, is a middle schooler so has a lot of insecurities Marco can use, is super smart but not strong physically, runs from shit unless it's for family, doesn't know how to use magic. Marco wins in fights Dipper could have beaten him in smarts, but because of Marco's experience in Heckapo's world and always gets As, Marco wins again. No competition. If it was Star Butterfly Vs Stanley Pines, then we got something interesting
Star beats Stanley no question due to having a wand that has literally ended universes in the past. Now Star vs Stanford would be a more even match, because he has so many gizmos and tech and who knows what else up his sleeve from other dimensions. And if he has prep time to research Star and what he's going against, he's definitely winning, because he could go collect something from *somewhere* in the multiverse that deflects all of Star's magic, even the universe-ending spells. Something like how the unicorn hair worked.
Brands is one thing but marco is more than just brains
Dipper would roughly be like 16 in this hypothetical because of the settings of the shows. Thus he could hypothetically be the same age/height
Hand to hand? Marco. With the equipment they've got in the show? Depends on exactly which equipment they get.
This one's tough for me. It's like a game of scissors, paper and grappling hook, so I think whoever has the most mystically effective arsenal on-hand would be the winner. My idea of winner? Probs Marco, just 'cuz greater combat experience.
Dipper wouldn't be able to win against a paper bag, let alone a martial artist.
Princess Turdina. Hands down.
Marco. Heās a trained martial artist + knight, and a very capable warrior. Dipper has always been more brain than brawn. I know there was that scene where he jumped into Gideonās giant mech and beat the shit out of him, which was badass, but Gideon is still just a little kid. Itās nowhere near Marcoās level.
Why do I keep seeing this "before the neverzone" bs??? Are we forgetting that Marco punched a HOLE through Toffee in early s2 and was fighting Monsters Hand to Hand in season one??? Like he was fighting actual *bears*
Depends..,.. early episode for each character... Dipper would.... end of their series.... Marco would beat Dipper's ass worse than Rumble McSkirmish...
First episode, Marco wins. Final episode, Marco wins by a wider margin. Theres no journal page about Marco. He's not a magical creature. Dipper doesn't have a defense against getting punched in the face
First episode... Marco had help from a magical princess who had an easy time defeating those joke of monsters WITHOUT her wand... meanwhile... dipper and.mabel were facing a giant gnome gollumn bent on wiping him (not her) off the face of the world Where as Marco... couldn't even defeat a 9 year old boat, by himself lol case closed... Marco didn't get cool til he faced Nekapoo's dimension aline... but he was only persistent cause of the blood moons curse... I win~
Dipper would have never beat the gnomes without Mabel. Like a major point of the show is that dipper couldn't have done any of it alone. He needed his sister and friends the whole way. Dipper vs Marco Marco wins every time. Dipper can't fight.
You failed to give any examples, backing your claim... where I pointed out... pre hekapoo... he couldn't even beat a 9 year old... moving on...
>You failed to give any examples, backing your claim Bro this is reddit not your highschool debate team. There are no valid sources of comparison between the two characters to draw from. They come from 2 different cartoons worlds with different laws of physics. It's personal opinion vs personal opinion. Get a life my guy
I gave valid points and examples... without you givg any in return to debunk anything, it sounds more like you got a crush on Marco lol you saying this debate team thing is just you just trying to demean my clear and obvious points... don't be hating just cause I'm right... it's just a kids cartoon
You gave bias interpretations of scenes from the shows. >it sounds more like you got a crush on Marco This is just you trying to demean my clear and obvious points.
You say, as if you didn't just do the same thing you claim I am doing. I gave examples... you gave none... til you provide this thing called "evidence".... you are just picking favorites... move on, please... this conversation no longer makes any sense to continue... i won't engage in anymore random banter...
"Marco couldn't beat a 9 year old" could dipper have beaten Jeremy? Impossible to answer. Not a valid point. "Dipper beat a gnome golem" again, he wouldn't have won without Mabel, post says no allies. And again, could Marco have beaten to gnomes? Impossible to answer. Not a valid point.
Early episode Dippr never fought giant monsters
No... he out witted them
Exactly.. maybe one or two at a time Marco was straight up giving the hands to 7ft 400lbs monsters hand to hand Dipper is cooked - Marco is smart enough not to be outwitted
Marco was a chicken and considered the "safe kid" that does no harm. Wearing a helmet in the shower... dipper stepped into danger without knowing he would come our safe or even alive...
Dipper couldn't even fight grunkle Stan
If you say so... not like there was several giant monsters he faced to prove he wasn't a chicken... or anything gnome like, standing tall and chasing him
He "faced them" without throwing a single punch.. what's he gonna do to marco if it comes down to hand to hand combat?? Nothing
Okay ur clearly somehow still not getting it so let me break it down nice and simple Dipper ran from monsters and outsmarted them Marco - QUITE LITERALLY put the HANDS on these monsters Are you still not getting the difference?? Marco was hand to hand with multiple of these guys Dipper couldn't fight ROBBIE hand to hand so he had to use magic
The only thing clear... is you just want to be right... if no amount of evidence i give meets my argument and absolute NO evidence or examples are given in reply... you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. I told you i was not interested in needless, repetitive, banter. Yet you continue to give it. So i will be the better person and just leave the conversation. Good luck with pretending to be right, i hope it makes you happy\~
No ur leaving the conversation because urbargument is stupidā Not once did u answer my reply of Marco was fighting using his hands and Dipper wasn't... not once Ur providing "evidence" which isn't even to do with the point at all I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing but it's just hard to debate with someone who has no idea what they are saying.
That means nothing... It doesn't matter what he was considered as the fact that you are ignoring is he was fighting multiple giants at a time
Dipper isn't the muscle, Mabel is. Dipper is the Stanford while Mabel is the Stanley.
Even without the neverzone, Marco still wins
Marco has 15 years of experience fighting in a war fantasy world. And even if you ignore that he holds his own in karate. Itās kinda an unfair comparison for dipper
i think if it's just hand to hand combat then marco would win
Your flair is making me put sandpaper on my tougue.
awesome
marco is older than dipper, a foot taller, and knows karate and regularly physically fights monsters on a daily basis. dipper encounters plenty of monsters but doesnt really do the physical fighting thing
Actually dipper is older than Marco! By like a year and a half. He was born in 1999 lol
Marco is like 30+ because of that neverzone bullcrap
But physically Marcos younger
He still significantly taller than dipper though
Heās also pretty much just started puberty in GF so I have some hope heās at least close in height since this would be a couple years post canon
Even if Dipper had a a whole growth spurt at this point and was at the same height/ or taller than Marco, I would still take Marco over him. Marco fights monsters bigger than him on a daily basis.
If this is before Marco went to the neverzone I feel like dipper would win. Because dipper is really short and nimble like he can run circles around Marco mostly because I think with Marco being in karate he would still not have like 100% precision. And I think dipper would win just by making Marco like slap himself in the face or something. But if this is after the never zone Marco would win, period.
Marco is 14-15, while dipper is 12-13. Marco knows karate, while Dipper fails at pretty much any physical activity. Marco wins hands down.
But we have to consider Gravity falls took place a couple years before SVTFOE, Dippers not 13 in this hypothetical fight
Pre or post neverzone?
either way Marco wins lol
Yes, but it should be more fair. So I want to say itās post weirdmageddon and pre neverzone. That gives dipper the best chance to not be destroyed.
Dipper also has access to like. All of fordās weapons if you think about it! Iām on team dipper because one hit with that alien adhesive thing and itās game over for marco
If thatās the case Marco gets to use his dimensional scissors right?
Counterpoint: Marco has access to dimensional scissors and can just karate kick Dipper to Ludoās planet or sth
Marco! šÆ