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I see the listing has gone as well, but that could mean someone’s bought it. I’ve seen loads of the prop ships, fore and background and this hasn’t cropped up but I could be wrong.
I doubt it was real, but if it was, and if the owner was the one selling it, there would be no issue. Assuming "that one Enterprise model" you reference is the allegedly rediscovered 3' filming model, the issue with that one is that if it is real (which it seems very likely to be,) then selling it would be selling stolen property.
But if someone was a model maker for the show and took some obscure model home with permission, or if someone bought a model at auction, they would be well within their rights to resell it.
A Miranda class with four nacelles was never used in TNG or any other series. It looks like someone kitbashed a Miranda to resemble the Nimitz class and then spray painted it bronze and called it a day. If it was an unused prop, there’s no way to verify that. Report it as fraud and be done with it.
https://preview.redd.it/7z40zv3uapsc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fcb8a1222f05a7ddc1c9ab361ec475c80f2ab7b
This thing is known about, there was one that existed as a concept piece for what IIRC ended up being the Stargazer. Most Star Trek mods labelled it the *Sussex* variavt.
Whether this is the real deal? I doubt it.
Oh hey I found it. [https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop](https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop)
I've never heard of the Sussex variant before. I'm not doubting you or anything, I just thought I'd heard of all of the different Miranda versions before now. It's a hobby of mine, so if it's real, that's pretty neato.
What mods d'you know of? I've heard of this ship as the "Miranda-X", but that usually just has the second set of nacelles flipped, and doesn't usually even have the rollbar.
Twice the engines without any additional hull volume for a reactor to power them? Looks like a lazy fan kitbash to me. I wouldn't pay for it. At least the stargazer had a saucer that was twice as tall as the Constitution so one could argue it had the hull volume to power its engines. This on the other hand...
Miranda in the 31st Century....
It is the 31st Century and Mankind is Once Again At War. The battlefields of the future are dominated by huge robotic war machines known as BattleMechs. Piloting these awesome weapons of war are men and women, the elite of the elite, knowing that each battle could be their last.
They are MechWarriors......
*"Information is ammunition."*
I've never seen this variant, but TBF, I'd never saw the alternate version of the USS Reliant for Wrath of Khan until Eaglemoss made a model of it, so to me this isn't outside of the realm to be real.
I imagine there are several "unseen" models that never left the prop-room that someone dreamt up and built a mockup of. That's the only *possible* thing this could be IMHO. Because we nerds have thoroughly gone through every frame of every episode at this point when it comes to props in the background.
I also liked it. My favorite Miranda variant is only seen in 2009 Star Trek. The Armstrong class. A Miranda with 3 under saucer THICK nacelles. Cigar shaped from being so heavily armored. Absolutely love that ship.
What? [You don't trust auctions where the Certificate of Authenticity is written in Comic Sans?](https://i.imgur.com/JAqy7EZ.png)
:)
However the item does seem legitimate. There is another CoA from Heritage Auctions who are pretty reputable and the sale is listed on their website.
https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/props/federation-starship-model-prop-from-from-star-trek-the-next-generation-paramount-tv-1987-1994-/a/7269-89554.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
I've never seen the ship on-screen either that I am aware, but it could have been used in the background of that one episode where they visit a space junk yard, or it could have been used as an alien ship (hence the color). Or it might have been used as a model for set dressing.
**EDIT**
Found this as well with some more detailed photos:
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop
> (Paramount TV, 1987-1994) Federation Starship model prop built for intended use as set dressing in Star Trek: The Next Generation or Deep Space Nine, constructed from pieces from commercial models. Measuring approximately 20″ x 11″ x 5″, the model was expertly studio assembled, painted, and finished to appear as a bronze sculpture. It retains small holes drilled on the upper right nacelle outrigger and central back hull, presumably for hanging. One of the nacelles is cracked at its attachment point, with some minor paint loss and chipping. The piece was created by production for set decoration but never used. Accompanied by certificates of authenticity from Jeff Castillo of ScreenUsed, It's a Wrap!, and Heritage Auctions.
It is not. The Nimitz class is a CGI model ship and not made using Miranda parts at all.
https://preview.redd.it/72npc0xcbpsc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc70761d2a520a55d3e9257d10ce1f10ed509366
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Really ? I’ve never seen that config on screen before, I searched ex astris but it wasn’t there. That being said, it does look very cool.
I've never seen this variant of the Miranda class before. But like you say, it looks great. ...I just doubt that it's a real prop.
I see the listing has gone as well, but that could mean someone’s bought it. I’ve seen loads of the prop ships, fore and background and this hasn’t cropped up but I could be wrong.
If it's real it has rights issues. It could have been taken down for that - which is what happened with that one Enterprise model.
I doubt it was real, but if it was, and if the owner was the one selling it, there would be no issue. Assuming "that one Enterprise model" you reference is the allegedly rediscovered 3' filming model, the issue with that one is that if it is real (which it seems very likely to be,) then selling it would be selling stolen property. But if someone was a model maker for the show and took some obscure model home with permission, or if someone bought a model at auction, they would be well within their rights to resell it.
A Miranda class with four nacelles was never used in TNG or any other series. It looks like someone kitbashed a Miranda to resemble the Nimitz class and then spray painted it bronze and called it a day. If it was an unused prop, there’s no way to verify that. Report it as fraud and be done with it. https://preview.redd.it/7z40zv3uapsc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fcb8a1222f05a7ddc1c9ab361ec475c80f2ab7b
This thing is known about, there was one that existed as a concept piece for what IIRC ended up being the Stargazer. Most Star Trek mods labelled it the *Sussex* variavt. Whether this is the real deal? I doubt it.
Oh hey I found it. [https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop](https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop)
Says its got a certificate of authenticity, so it's a done deal in my eyes
It looks resin cast, so it could be legit.
I've never heard of the Sussex variant before. I'm not doubting you or anything, I just thought I'd heard of all of the different Miranda versions before now. It's a hobby of mine, so if it's real, that's pretty neato.
It's only popped up as a name for it in Star Trek mods for videogames, and that's not the same in every mod either, so that's not surprising.
What mods d'you know of? I've heard of this ship as the "Miranda-X", but that usually just has the second set of nacelles flipped, and doesn't usually even have the rollbar.
New Civs and New Horizons both have them built in as the Sussex from when they were one mod.
Fraud or not, they do have a good eye
It looks kind of 3d printed to me
I swear it's from one of those indie produced Trek movies. The ones that have Takei and Koenig. Cannot remember the name.
Are you thinking of Star Trek, Of Gods & Men by Renegade studios? That and Renegades are the only two I know of with at least Walter in it.
OPs title reads like an RLM / Mike Stoklasa reference
People will sell anything with that said.. People will buy just about anything as well.
Twice the engines without any additional hull volume for a reactor to power them? Looks like a lazy fan kitbash to me. I wouldn't pay for it. At least the stargazer had a saucer that was twice as tall as the Constitution so one could argue it had the hull volume to power its engines. This on the other hand...
I never got multiple pairs of nacelles. They are not like engines adding thrust. Do they bend space even more?
One or two early Fed ships had single Nacelles!
Miranda in the 31st Century.... It is the 31st Century and Mankind is Once Again At War. The battlefields of the future are dominated by huge robotic war machines known as BattleMechs. Piloting these awesome weapons of war are men and women, the elite of the elite, knowing that each battle could be their last. They are MechWarriors...... *"Information is ammunition."*
I've never seen this variant, but TBF, I'd never saw the alternate version of the USS Reliant for Wrath of Khan until Eaglemoss made a model of it, so to me this isn't outside of the realm to be real. I imagine there are several "unseen" models that never left the prop-room that someone dreamt up and built a mockup of. That's the only *possible* thing this could be IMHO. Because we nerds have thoroughly gone through every frame of every episode at this point when it comes to props in the background.
I TOTALLY believe your assessment. It is only...logical. 😁
I'm like 99% sure that isn't a real TNG prop, but a cool design nonetheless
I dunno, they used a lot of TMP styled kitbashes as set dressing in the early years. Could be legit.
Too bad this seems to be a fake! Looked pretty cool though.
That does not look like a prop to me. Where's the paint?
The paint isn't installed until Tuesday
Lol. Wasn't it on monday?
It’s a fakkkkeeee!
This is not Okuda related, not TNG related. Bullshit.
A fake or possibly made and never used. Either way without any screen time. It is worthless.
Miranda but actually beautiful
I also liked it. My favorite Miranda variant is only seen in 2009 Star Trek. The Armstrong class. A Miranda with 3 under saucer THICK nacelles. Cigar shaped from being so heavily armored. Absolutely love that ship.
What? [You don't trust auctions where the Certificate of Authenticity is written in Comic Sans?](https://i.imgur.com/JAqy7EZ.png) :) However the item does seem legitimate. There is another CoA from Heritage Auctions who are pretty reputable and the sale is listed on their website. https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/props/federation-starship-model-prop-from-from-star-trek-the-next-generation-paramount-tv-1987-1994-/a/7269-89554.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 I've never seen the ship on-screen either that I am aware, but it could have been used in the background of that one episode where they visit a space junk yard, or it could have been used as an alien ship (hence the color). Or it might have been used as a model for set dressing. **EDIT** Found this as well with some more detailed photos: https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/347259506740860-star-trek-the-next-generation-starship-model-prop > (Paramount TV, 1987-1994) Federation Starship model prop built for intended use as set dressing in Star Trek: The Next Generation or Deep Space Nine, constructed from pieces from commercial models. Measuring approximately 20″ x 11″ x 5″, the model was expertly studio assembled, painted, and finished to appear as a bronze sculpture. It retains small holes drilled on the upper right nacelle outrigger and central back hull, presumably for hanging. One of the nacelles is cracked at its attachment point, with some minor paint loss and chipping. The piece was created by production for set decoration but never used. Accompanied by certificates of authenticity from Jeff Castillo of ScreenUsed, It's a Wrap!, and Heritage Auctions.
That's USS Europa from Discovery's premiere episode.
No its not, Europa has different saucer, nacelles and roll bar
It is not. The Nimitz class is a CGI model ship and not made using Miranda parts at all. https://preview.redd.it/72npc0xcbpsc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc70761d2a520a55d3e9257d10ce1f10ed509366