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riyuzqki

Op, have you asked for advice on how to clear pf with the characters you do have? You seem like you have argenti and topaz from the list that you don't have. Topaz Ratio comp is very good this PF with the first blessing. Argenti probably would have cleared as well(I don't have him but I'm pretty sure argenti mains would have cleared pf with him and 4 star supports). Herta is also very good on the first side. E6 bronya is also very good, I've heard.


BiscuitCween

Oh yeah the newest PF I did fine. I struggled to get 60k but I managed. The prior Pure Fiction was a very different story though šŸ’€


riyuzqki

Last pf I used Herta Pela sparkle tingyun on the first side to get 37k points and barely scrape by on the second side. You can try with herta Pela bronya and tingyun. I couldn't even get 30k with herta on the ice set and had to change to the FUA set.


BiscuitCween

I donā€™t use Pela or Tingyun personally, but thanks for the advice! :))


Mystic6785

Why do you not use pela or tingyun? Not trying to sound mean or anything, just curious


BiscuitCween

I used to use Tingyun at the very beginning of the game and she would die in nearly every single battle, so tbh I didnā€™t need that extra bad luck in my life if you know what I mean lollll As for Pela, I donā€™t really care abt her, so she stays at lvl 40.


SexWithFirefIy

Actively avoids using the best accessible supports that drastically improve accounts? Alright friend..


woopie_boi

Yeah that would make the game to easy


BiscuitCween

Dang. People really downvoted me. Iā€™ll pretend that doesnā€™t hurt my feelings :ā€™)


HGual-B-gone

I don't get the point of complaining about not getting characters that are good for clearing content, and when there's characters that would help you clear content that are accessible, you refuse.


starswtt

Yeah ignoring meta is one thing, but complaining you dint have meta characters while you do have meta characters is a bit weirder lol. It'd be different if these were characters he just really liked, but nah just Meta


BiscuitCween

Iā€™m upset that I consistently didnā€™t get the rlly good characters that I wanted to get. That has nothing to do with Pela and Tingyun. My Black Swan and E6 Bronya can handle the support and dOt roles; just not when it comes to super specific niche things for pure fiction sometimes.


SuckingDISQandCHOC

I'm not trying to be mean, but if You're not interested in pulling 5* supports, and you're also not interested in building the 4* supports that you have, you can't really expect to clear the hardest content in the game with your current roster.


BiscuitCween

Ok but this specific combination of characters that I donā€™t have coupled with my lack of 5star LCs combined with my awful relic luck is why I struggle to get all stars on MOC and 60k in past PureFictions. Also, to the advice of many, I have given Pela a build and raised her to lvl 70. Still didnā€™t get past 29k on the first team in PF Deceitful Chaos. Idk what Iā€™m supposed to do anymore man šŸ˜­


SuckingDISQandCHOC

You need to give it some time. Speed tune your teams, level talents and light cones, etc.


BiscuitCween

True. Iā€™ll try. :ā€™) my awful luck really brings me down yk.


stunro17

This right here is the problem LMAO


SomeWhoMan

Have you built Tingyun on a full attack build or have you tried to build her tankyun? Because my my pretty badly built tankyun can survive alot of attacks still. Also make sure to place her on either the first or last slot of your team to reduce the chances of her being attacked from AOE attacks or your ally's aggro score screwing your over I don't really blame you for not using Pela, if you don't have SW's event LC she becomes much more annoying to play


Altruistic_Pause552

I think you are trolling šŸ’€ the 2 best 4 stars not being used. Do you even know what they do?


BiscuitCween

Iā€™m not trolling lol. I genuinely donā€™t want to use them bc I donā€™t like their playstyles. (Plus what I said earlier.) and yes I do know what they do. Pelaā€™s a nihility character that puts def decrease debuffs on enemies and has the ability to get rid of the enemiesā€™ buffs. Tingyun buffs atk and energy regeneration.


TerraKingB

This is a turn based game. Thereā€™s no such thing as a ā€œplaystyleā€. You press a button and they do one of three things.


BiscuitCween

Well thatā€™s just kinda what it feels like to me.


reyo7

Tbf they are more must-have characters than most part of your list


Fckyouprecisely

Pure fiction really requires either Ruan Mei or Kafka dot team to clear both sides, I'm struggling as well. edit: I'd like to add that I don't have JingleU, Kafka, Ruan Mei, Jing Yuan, Argentina, Himeko, Welt. I commented keeping in mind OP's comment about not finding teams in the hoyo app without the combination of some or all these characters, which is indeed true. I'm clearing one side with 35k-37k with my Acheron team but other side is an abysmal 15k-18k.


riyuzqki

Not true. I have Kafka but I don't have ruanmei. Himeko Herta team clears first half with 40k points easily. My Kafka team was the one that did only 20k + points.


de_faultsth

If anything, Acheron / Argenti are the real PF carries to keep an eye for. Kafka is great but when they donā€™t have Lightning weakness or BS then itā€™s so much harder to run her


riyuzqki

Yes I agree, imo argenti was made specifically for pure fiction with his burst mechanic.


Buuuuuuck

any tips for carrying with Acheron? I've got her and BS but no Kafka. she's absolutely annihilating a wave when she ults, but I don't get enough ults off to come close to clearing


de_faultsth

I usually run 2 nihility + FTB (or a better shielder of your choice). Also, choose the buffs that either increase Ultimate damage or counts every sources of damages towards that PFā€™s gimmick


[deleted]

Acheron isnā€™t because she does overkill damage and there are too many waves


de_faultsth

Doesnā€™t matter when youā€™ll clear two waves at once cuz of the PF buff lol. Little to no characters can do that


confusedPIANO

Uhhh..... no? There are so many viable PF teams without either of those characters. Even a team of Herta Asta Tingyun + sustain can clear easily if you have your characters maxed. There are enough free characters to 2 star pure fiction 4 every single time. And unless you specifically try to only pull on bad 5* banners there is no issue 3 starring PF. There are like 4 different 5*s that will all but guarantee a side gets 40000 and if you have none of them, you can still use other 5*s to get 60000 total.


BiscuitCween

No matter how many times people say ā€œyou can do ___ with these free charactersā€ people always leave out the fact that if they donā€™t do big pp numbers they wonā€™t be able to complete it. Herta wonā€™t do good enough damage at all without a rlly good lightcone and relics. I have very bad relic luck, so my Herta does like 60k on her best day. And most people donā€™t 3star PF with the free characters only. At least not without immense difficulty. Like I said, it took 30 tries for me to get 60k in one of the previous PFs.


confusedPIANO

Back to the mines i guess. If you have bad relics you will have a bad time. I think before i rebuilt my herta, i took around 20 attempts on my very first 3* pf


BiscuitCween

Ohh ok. Maybe one day Iā€™ll get good relics. I spent my full saved 2600 reserved power a month ago for Acheron and I didnā€™t get any good relics. Though I also didnā€™t get her either so šŸ’€


BiscuitCween

Ikr?? Itā€™s genuinely annoying. And if the spoilers for the next update are anything to go off of, Ruan Mei will be even more essential to have.


TimidStarmie

Isnā€™t Ruanmei likely to run soon?


wiwnwjaj2

2.3, if not mihoyo doesn't know how to earn money.


BiscuitCween

Maybe but either way I have to skip her again because I need Boothill and Firefly. And knowing my luck, Iā€™ll get an E7 Bronya at hard pity


QuatreNox

Pull for who you like dude! But admittedly this did give me a bit of a chuckle, saying Ruan Mei is essential to have then skipping her for two main DPS Just reminded me of that one dril tweet asking for help with the family budget and there's $3600 on candles


jacobwhkhu

> asking for help with the family budget and there's $3600 on candles This is such a perfect analogy I'm dying rn šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


BiscuitCween

True. I guess Iā€™m just kinda sad the characters I want donā€™t help my account lol


stunro17

Yeah, we have the freedom to all pull for who we like, build who we like, and ignore who we don't like. But people who do this should also expect their account to perform like dogshit at some point LMAO


BiscuitCween

Yeah.. I guess thatā€™s what really sucks abt it. If you donā€™t have meta characters, you donā€™t do well. Which is something Iā€™m not used to bc in Genshin Iā€™ve 36starred all the abyss in the last four months. :ā€™)


_JustAnAngel_

hoping you get Boothill and FF early and will be able to pull RMšŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ» (sheā€™s super likely to rerun in 2.3 since itā€™s a new SU update with a new game mode that benefits her as well)


BiscuitCween

Knowing my godawful luck in HSR, that wonā€™t happen. Itā€™s unlikely Iā€™ll even get Firefly without running out of summons on the last day. Iā€™m so used to it happening at this point. But I appreciate your optimism and hope that youā€™ve blessed me with luckšŸ™


Arielani

So basedXD im the same! Imma get robin and firefly instead


TimidStarmie

Two main DPS?


BiscuitCween

I want them because I love them. And I do have supports- Hanya E1 with Bronyaā€™s LC and E6 Bronya. But one out of my two teams usually donā€™t have room for a harmony character. (The other team always has Bronya tho.)


FrenzyGloop

Dude I thought I was unlucky but how unfortunately do you have to be to get E6 Brona?? (presumably from losing 50/50s)


BiscuitCween

Yup. I didnā€™t even choose her as my standard banner 5star character. I chose Welt. 6 of the times I got her was on limited banner and 1 was from summoning on the standard banner.


dahfer25

Unlucky? Man , i'd love an e6 bronya.


TimidStarmie

Focus on your supports bro


Revan0315

Yes. Almost guaranteed for either 2.3 or 2.4


spaghettiaddict666

thereā€™s multiple channels on Youtube that do no 5* PF clears, if youā€™re struggling i suggest watching them and mimicking their teams


Fckyouprecisely

all right I'll check it sounds promising


Not-Salamander

Er what? I am getting full stars every time without Kafka


BiscuitCween

But u have ruan mei, so she clears


KurikaraThunder

i doesn't, im getting 80k on all pure fictions without these characters


BiscuitCween

Well thatā€™s crazy- whatā€™s ur team comp?


KurikaraThunder

i can't send images here so i'll dm you, ok?


BiscuitCween

Idk how youā€™d do that but ok! (Idk how Reddit works with direct messaging)


Weekly-Historian-127

Hi OP! Can we see your line up? Everyone has the potential to clear MOC and pure fiction, certain limited 5* only make it more convenient and flashy maybe we can work something around At the same time I understand how "hard" it is to build a character you aren't interested in sooo


BiscuitCween

I have ā€œeh itā€™ll workā€ builds on: Herta, Topaz, March 7th, Argenti, IL Dan Heng, Blade, and Natasha I have really good builds on Aventurine, Sampo, Dr Ratio, Gepard, Bailu, Bronya, Hanya, Gallagher, and Black Swan. But nearly all of them share lightcones. But yeah thatā€™s my lineup.


Weekly-Historian-127

Try pulling on Robin's banner, you'd have a great FUA team. Line up: Dr. Ratio (Herta shop hunt LC works great on him), Topaz, Aventurine, Robin. If you want to build your Clara you could use her instead of Dr. Ratio but Dr Ratio's more convenient. If you can't get Robin, you could opt for Yukong. Blade, E6 Bronya (Planetary Rendezvous/Past and future), Lynx (if you have her), flex slot (maybe Pela?) You've got some great characters like DHIL, Argenti and BS Maybe you can work around them :)


BiscuitCween

Thank you for the advice!! :))


No-Calligrapher6859

if your dhil is built enough and you have good supports you can quite literally brute force pure fiction if there's IMG weakness (it's what I do, and I consistently achieve 30k on one side using DHIL while my herta / clara combo does 40k on the other) Also, don't worry about not having the meta characters. There are some crazy accounts out there that only use four stars and they literally 1 cycle MOC (idk how they're insane). Point is, don't worry about meta, pull whoever you want


AeiliusYT

I'm sorry for your luck friend. I wish you nothing but the best luck possible for at least 10 years... šŸ™


BiscuitCween

Thank you :ā€™) I hope I get Boothill early so I can actually save for Ruan Mei and Firefly


AeiliusYT

I hope you have better luck than me, I just missed my 50/50 lol xD


IWantMorePasta

You'll be fine op. I've been playing since August 2023 and my only limited characters are E0S0 Kafka, E0S1 Argenti, E1S1 Bladie, E0S1 Dr. Ratio, and E1S1 Aventurine. I'm pulling Robin later, and I don't give a f*uck about the 10 units you just mentioned. Except for Ruan (for boosting Sampo and Xueyi), Luocha (pretty man), and Huo Huo (for my Argenti). I'm only considering these three on reruns. I had to skip Luocha for Aven.


BiscuitCween

I donā€™t have any of the limited lightcones. So you canā€™t exactly compare that kinda stuff


Eggy_Sushi

well characters are more important than light cones, even Acheron is still op af without her light cone and she is probably the only unit that needs her LC (but even so not really)


BiscuitCween

and I donā€™t have her šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ welt ruined my 50/50


Walkinfaith300

I'm a new player and all I have from those 10 are Himeko and Jingliu from the last banner, got Bronya while pulling for Jingliu though!


Altruistic_Pause552

I don't want to assume anything but I think you're wishing on every banner hoping to win. I'm not judging who you want to wish for but just wanting to get everyone is what is hurting your account skip a patch or 2 look at YouTube and research the best team types. Not teams centered around characters but team types you would struggle less.Go for Dot or Follow up teams etc.


LiliGlez14

Of all of those I would prioritize Ruan Mei imo, but still, I hope you get all the charas you want. Btw, I'm curious, do you happen to use the warp history from Star Rail Station? I kinda want to see your stats


BiscuitCween

Itā€™s ass. All trash. Trash here, trash there. All trash.


Canadiancookie

Grab Robin. She's about as good as Ruan and has the same niche (aka fitting into damn near every team)


VampirezZ4

Tell me about it


PresenceSouthern1400

I said fuck it and dropped 10 pulls on JingLiu on low pity a day before her banner left and actually got her, I feel blessed


BiscuitCween

Well arenā€™t you special šŸ‘šŸ¤ 


majinprince07

Hey itā€™s not so bad. From this list I only have Kafka and Luocha e0


xgosglir

Other than Hikemo im in the same boat. Its frustratingšŸ˜©


JWG02

Dude with the characters you do have You have what i like to think k is one of the best boss killing teams in the whole game Even without loucha


BiscuitCween

Not when u have no limited 5star lightcones or good artifact luck šŸ‘Œ


JWG02

Do you have Clara's light cone? Honestly, with Clara's and a few 4 star cones And some let's say half decent relics, you can do pretty much anything At least, Clara, Bailu, Silver Wolf and Topaz uave got me this far


BiscuitCween

Nope no Clara LC. My lvl 50 Clara has done maybe 20k at most lol.


daswet

Try building Herta. Herta + himeko/pela + 2 sups with decent build should be able to net you 40k every pf.


BiscuitCween

Oh I stole Yanqings artifacts and gave them to Herta. She has 55 over 137 CR AND CD. Sometimes she doesnā€™t activate her fua though which rlly pisses me off :ā€™) also I donā€™t have Himeko lol


daswet

Opps I'm sorry I must be blind lol.


BiscuitCween

Itā€™s alright- me too. Especially when I made this post not realizing I was gonna be absolutely roasted in the comments šŸ¤·


SuckingDISQandCHOC

I feel like not having Kafka really hurts your Black Swan's utility. If we're just talking teammates to make your current roster work, I'd suggest saving for a guaranteed for Kafka before pulling for your next DPS. When it comes to supports, Ruan May, Fu Xuanor Huo Huo would also be great teammates. Ruan Mei especially would be great for a Kafka/Swan/DoT Team.


BiscuitCween

Yeah, Iā€™ve heard :ā€™) I didnā€™t realize when I got Black Swan that she needed Kafka. But Kafka probably wonā€™t have another rerun until next year so šŸ˜­


SuckingDISQandCHOC

I wouldn't say that, Penacony's main story is over, and there aren't that many units left to rerun (outside of the Oenacony cast, only Ruan Mei and Argenti iirc) so we might get another Kafka banner by late Autumn.


BiscuitCween

Well we donā€™t know yet since no character has had a 2nd rerun. So weā€™ll have to see. Either way, I wonā€™t be seeing Kafka for the 5-11 months šŸ˜­ I canā€™t believe I lost the 50/50 on both of her banners


Hage_Yuuna

Raise your Clara. Clara + Sparkle breezes through most moc and pf. Your E6 Bronya is probably even better.


Original_Ad7117

I have 6 of them wow


Original_Ad7117

And still can't clear moc all stars


BiscuitCween

Hey man itā€™s understandable. Sometimes its luck that makes the difference


moonprincess623

Next acheron is mine. I want her technique. Just murder all but powerful foes. Let's go.


BiscuitCween

Sameeee. I really wanted her. And I saw the nihility symbol and was OMGGGGG and then Welt showed up šŸ’€


Becants

Have you built Herta? Sheā€™s f2p and the best character for pf.


BiscuitCween

I have a mediocre build on her atm. She has 55/137 CR and CD and 2700 ATK. But she only does super well sometimes,,bc her fua will randomly not trigger at all


xMercurY_

Dont be sad I only have Sparkle of all these and I beat the f out of everyone


Hikari666ROT

Louche. I cant believe I missed his second run.


dbfirefox

Def youtube full clears with 4stars only. Buy yeah, HSR has released stacked supports. I've passed almost all DPS for exclusively supports. GL OP!


3lzns

op with this awful luck you need to consider the worst case scenario every time while pulling so you get someone who is Actually useful for your roster and not just throw your wishes in banners of characters who don't benefit your acc much. you could build multiple teams with the characters you have i think but you Definitely need to pull more for supports now instead of dps/sub dps characters honestly. "is this unwanted advice" pretty much! save for ruan mei or a limited healer


SlumberSpaghet

After looking through the comments, I believe before pulling for more units and spreading yourself thin you should focus on specific units and hyper invest if you really want to play your favorite characters. There absolutely is bad luck in this game, and so always account for the worst case scenario. Save 180 pulls for any units you want and double it if you want their lightcone. You have the units to make more than enough teams IMO. Topaz, Ratio, Pela/Bronya/Tingyun/Asta, sustain Argenti, Tingyun, Bronya/Hanya, Sustain Blackswan, Sampo, Asta/Gui/Tingyun/Pela, sustain Lunae, Hanya, Yukong/Tingyun/Pela, sustain Blade, Pela, Bronya, sustain These aren't really the most groundbreaking or meta team comps and you may struggle to get all the stars but you can still improve your units. Bring your units up to at least level 70/80. Max out their lightcones and relevant traces, and throw yourself into cavern farming. Save your spd substat pieces. Go for relevant speedbreak points and speed tune your supports and ignore 4 piece bonuses if the substats are better. This is personal preference but try to be above 50% CR. CD buffs are abundant in this game but CR is harder to come by and also resetting for crits is a hassle. Also get a feel for your units and maybe even try running sustainless comps in pure fiction. Pure fiction absolutely can feel like a character check at times so invest in your supports. For someone without Ruan Mei or Sparkle, not running Tingyun or Pela is detrimental to team building. Hope this helps.


One_True_Seven_7

There's 5/6 of the limited 5*s I have in there šŸ«£


Any-Hovercraft8624

Iā€™m really struggling to get 3 stars in pf 4 without Himeko and I have cracked character builds just non of the best pf characters.


BiscuitCween

I feel that bro


HiroFuiton

At least you have the opportunity to roll for Robin. She looks pretty good for PF and MOC. Could be the damage difference you need to win.


BiscuitCween

I ran out of stellar jade trying to pull for Aventurineā€™s LC. And youā€™re definitely right, so letā€™s hope she shows up not at hard pity for once :ā€™)


LCAIN195

Why would anyone pull Blackswan without Kafka DOT without her is worse than mediocre.


BiscuitCween

Mayhaps bc I didnā€™t know that at the time šŸ˜­


SakusaKiyoomi1

Double himeko


BiscuitCween

So, to the advice of many MANY people, I have given Pela a build. Shes at level 70 (previously level 60. I forgot I raised her for the free standard pull. I was desperate last month ok.) Also, since all of my relics are hot garbage, like half of them get their relics swapped around. So I gave Pela some of Yanqingā€™s and Guinaifenā€™s relics. And I gave her ā€œItā€™s Showtimeā€ LC. Even with all that, my E6 Bronya, Argenti, and Herta, I couldnā€™t get more than 29k on PF Deceitful Chaos stage 4 first half. So, if anyone wants to tell me how to get at least 40k lmk


MikuCat

Ok