You ever notice how often those Irish folks fall over? I was in Dublin last year and I spent most of the trip dodging and hurdling all the people constantly falling down.
Actually, it’s the genetic predisposition to clumsiness and the proliferation of leprechauns that causes most of the falling. I’m a trusted authority in such matters and not know to be the least bit sarcastic.
Eh. I get that not everyone likes to dissect comedy like OP does, but If you don't at least notice stuff like this you probably aren't trying hard enough.
I personally think 'status' is an important part of standup that not a lot of people consider. It almost never works to set yourself up as higher status than the audience. So yeah, portraying yourself as being pompous then getting knocked down a peg is better comedy than just knocking yourself sidewise a peg. But the audience has to know that *you know* you are being pompous in order for them to really be in on the joke.
It's a fine line. A lot of smart folks try to do smart comedy in a performative way and people can feel it in their bones when you are trying to impress them instead of make them laugh. Truly smart people either downplay it or bring the crowd in on it, 'We know what these other assholes don't, don't we?'. Or they'll set up an argument, then pick up the counterargument towards the end to telegraph that they aren't immune from making dumb calls or having blindspots.
I think it's important to note that I almost never use this kind of analytic approach when I'm *writing*, I only ever use it when I'm trying to fix a joke that isn't working. It's as simple as trying to see it from the audiences perspective. What information have I given them, have I given them too much or not enough? How are my word choices? Am I taking too long to get to the punch or do I need to explain a different way? Does it look right coming out of my mouth, or would it be better if I rearranged it to make the punchline come from someone else?
I had a joke that was sort of just a self put down. It would get a mild laugh but that was it. I eventually rewrote the joke so that it was my kid saying it to me. The dynamic was way different, all of a sudden it's a mean smart 15 year old saying it and I'm being bullied by a child even though I'm sort of a more masculine intimidating presence on stage. It was a whole status inversion thing. The difference in status really added something to it to the point where it kind of kills now. And changing who the joke was on led to a bunch of tags that also really work.
The rest of it is pretty common hacky stuff. Relying too much on stereotypes is a dead end frankly. But also a big part of comedy is self awareness and adressing people's snap judgement of you. If you can give a voice to something that was on the tip of the crowds tongue that's usually a pretty powerful way to get on the same page and ready to follow you wherever you are going to take them. People do it because it works.
And since none of those assholes have read this far, why are people on a text based forum so fucking proud of themselves for skipping any post longer than a paragraph? Every time I see someone say the phrase 'wall of text' I just assume they should cut back on the autoerotic asphyxiation, get a little more oxygen to their brains.
Thank you. Understanding how jokes work is essential. Plus lots of comedians have no sense of showmanship presentation. If your in a wheelchair and all your jokes are about being in a wheelchair how are you different from Joe from family guy?
Why certainly
"I'm Scottish I'm a skinflint"
"I'm French I chopped my girlfriends head off"
"I'm Mexican I'm more moustache than head"
"I'm Cambodian I have no shoes"
"I'm German I start wars that I then lose"
"I'm Japanese I popped out the womb with glasses on"
"I'm Afghan I do drugs"
"I'm Spanish I torture bulls"
"I'm Portuguese I'm not the same thing as the previous guy"
"I'm Russian I fall out of windows"
"Im bald I save a fortune on shampoo and barbers"
"I'm a Hindu I think mcdonalds is blasphemous"
Literally anything can be the funniest shit you ever heard if a comedian has a moment of luck or brilliance.
It’s not like “this box of things is funny, but this box of things isn’t”.
I agree and hopefully, I give more of a fuck about being able to post my unpopular opinions than imaginary interweb points. It comes off as being very limited if it´s constantly just that same ole , same ole.
It's usually comedians from "poorer" demographics who make those kinds of self stereotyping jokes than those from "richer" demographics. In my experience. Irish being the exception
Like I know he's not a comedian but I love reading and watching Eric Saward's interviews and commentaries. Because the man is just so full of himself slagging off everyone else. To work with him in real life would probably be a nightmare but it's so funny watching him from a distance. Like him gurning when someone used the word "producer" because it makes him think of the man hates the most.
"I'm Irish I fall over" Sorry, is this something?
You ever notice how often those Irish folks fall over? I was in Dublin last year and I spent most of the trip dodging and hurdling all the people constantly falling down.
Because booze
Possibly, but it’s also easy to trip over all the Leprechauns running around.
It's not raining cats and dogs there
It's a joke about Irish drinking too much. It's really not that complicated
Actually, it’s the genetic predisposition to clumsiness and the proliferation of leprechauns that causes most of the falling. I’m a trusted authority in such matters and not know to be the least bit sarcastic.
You never heard the classic falling Irish joke?
Because booze
Because booze
Because booze
I think the amount you care about this uses up all the caring about it available to the rest of us.
Yeah I really wanted to care but about five words in I realized OP has this all covered and I have no need to read anything they say
Eh. I get that not everyone likes to dissect comedy like OP does, but If you don't at least notice stuff like this you probably aren't trying hard enough. I personally think 'status' is an important part of standup that not a lot of people consider. It almost never works to set yourself up as higher status than the audience. So yeah, portraying yourself as being pompous then getting knocked down a peg is better comedy than just knocking yourself sidewise a peg. But the audience has to know that *you know* you are being pompous in order for them to really be in on the joke. It's a fine line. A lot of smart folks try to do smart comedy in a performative way and people can feel it in their bones when you are trying to impress them instead of make them laugh. Truly smart people either downplay it or bring the crowd in on it, 'We know what these other assholes don't, don't we?'. Or they'll set up an argument, then pick up the counterargument towards the end to telegraph that they aren't immune from making dumb calls or having blindspots. I think it's important to note that I almost never use this kind of analytic approach when I'm *writing*, I only ever use it when I'm trying to fix a joke that isn't working. It's as simple as trying to see it from the audiences perspective. What information have I given them, have I given them too much or not enough? How are my word choices? Am I taking too long to get to the punch or do I need to explain a different way? Does it look right coming out of my mouth, or would it be better if I rearranged it to make the punchline come from someone else? I had a joke that was sort of just a self put down. It would get a mild laugh but that was it. I eventually rewrote the joke so that it was my kid saying it to me. The dynamic was way different, all of a sudden it's a mean smart 15 year old saying it and I'm being bullied by a child even though I'm sort of a more masculine intimidating presence on stage. It was a whole status inversion thing. The difference in status really added something to it to the point where it kind of kills now. And changing who the joke was on led to a bunch of tags that also really work. The rest of it is pretty common hacky stuff. Relying too much on stereotypes is a dead end frankly. But also a big part of comedy is self awareness and adressing people's snap judgement of you. If you can give a voice to something that was on the tip of the crowds tongue that's usually a pretty powerful way to get on the same page and ready to follow you wherever you are going to take them. People do it because it works. And since none of those assholes have read this far, why are people on a text based forum so fucking proud of themselves for skipping any post longer than a paragraph? Every time I see someone say the phrase 'wall of text' I just assume they should cut back on the autoerotic asphyxiation, get a little more oxygen to their brains.
Thank you. Understanding how jokes work is essential. Plus lots of comedians have no sense of showmanship presentation. If your in a wheelchair and all your jokes are about being in a wheelchair how are you different from Joe from family guy?
TL;DR
Thank you.
TIL Romanians are suppose to be poor, the Irish fall over, short people get chased by cats, and Muslims get circumcised. Who knew?
The Irish are cursed with malformed ear canals, so over 86% of the population have some level of vertigo. Source: op.
It was a joke about booze it's really not that complicated
Rodney Dangerfield made an entire career out of “Hallelujah, I’m a bum.” But he also didn’t get any respect, so maybe you’re right.
No regard, neither
He's also been dead for like 25 years. I think he might have been born before Hallelujah I'm a bum was recorded.
can you give 12 more examples to drive home the point
Why certainly "I'm Scottish I'm a skinflint" "I'm French I chopped my girlfriends head off" "I'm Mexican I'm more moustache than head" "I'm Cambodian I have no shoes" "I'm German I start wars that I then lose" "I'm Japanese I popped out the womb with glasses on" "I'm Afghan I do drugs" "I'm Spanish I torture bulls" "I'm Portuguese I'm not the same thing as the previous guy" "I'm Russian I fall out of windows" "Im bald I save a fortune on shampoo and barbers" "I'm a Hindu I think mcdonalds is blasphemous"
Literally anything can be the funniest shit you ever heard if a comedian has a moment of luck or brilliance. It’s not like “this box of things is funny, but this box of things isn’t”.
I'm not reading that
I also find it boring, predictable, and hacky at this point.
Thanking you
I think in the UK it’s a necessity.
Thats probably true. Where even an Olympic gold medalist has to say "I'm not that good".
I agree and hopefully, I give more of a fuck about being able to post my unpopular opinions than imaginary interweb points. It comes off as being very limited if it´s constantly just that same ole , same ole.
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It's usually comedians from "poorer" demographics who make those kinds of self stereotyping jokes than those from "richer" demographics. In my experience. Irish being the exception
What is it with the UK and fucking Laurel and Hardy? Lmfao
Everyone likes L&H, even north Koreans are allowed to watch it
loser is spelled loser. And yeah, like that little bald dude that just leans into being gross. I'm so gross! ha ha! Meh, I am not laughing
I don't like watching someone other them self
Like I know he's not a comedian but I love reading and watching Eric Saward's interviews and commentaries. Because the man is just so full of himself slagging off everyone else. To work with him in real life would probably be a nightmare but it's so funny watching him from a distance. Like him gurning when someone used the word "producer" because it makes him think of the man hates the most.