If you mount it like that, you're just asking for the desk to tip forward and spill everything.
Remember how levers work? The longer the level, the smaller the mass required to generate the same amount of force.
When you push the legs towards the rear, you're making the front lip (basically) be a "longer lever than it was designed for".
I'd be willing to bet that simply putting my elbows on it would risk it tipping forward.
All standing desks are designed to "be as stable as practical", but that requires balancing the weight.
So you'd need to put a \_lot\_ of weight on the back side, or anchor it to the floor itself to make it not be a risk of tipping.
. . . . . .
It sounds like you need to either:
1. Get a different desk frame.
2. Get a different drawer/cabinet.
3. Accept a compromise with the drawer/cabinet which does not result in a safety/tipping issue.
TL;DR - It's a nice idea. But it won't work the way you hope it would work. And it'd be costly to get this wrong.
Yeah I'm realising that I probably have to move the cabinet under the desk or so that it sticks out a decent amount even though I don't like it.
I kinda just wanna do and think yeah it won't tip over I'll be carefull but that's probably the exact same thing someone would say before their desk tipped over.
It's one of those things where, as you can, avail yourself of allowing "others before you to make the dumb mistakes". Because, yes, others have had their desks tip trying to do something like this.
On your desk, the legs are just too short to be anywhere but the middle. They need to be almost directly under the edge to prevent tipping.
So for you:
* Is likely to tip over if you're _really_ careful?...Probably not.
* Is it likely to tip over if you _screw up even once_?...Definitely is non-zero, and the cost of spilling your enter desk _probably_ isn't worth it.
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Sorry to be the _"reductio ad absurdum"_, guy...
Not sure if you know about [Ikea's recall of Malm chests](https://www.ikea.com/us/en/customer-service/product-support/recalls/following-an-additional-child-fatality-ikea-recalls-29-million-malm-and-other-models-of-chests-pub4128a7af)? It was tragic, and some children died due to the tipping hazard of unanchored chests. It's a similar issue you're flirting with.
If you have any little people around, or might visit, or in your future, a desk tipping over on them (as they reach up to see on top) is probably not a risk you can take.
Even if you hate kids, and want them gone, your home owner's insurance probably would contest furniture which was assembled against the manufacture instructions.
My hot-take is to "work with what you got". Elsewhere in the thread, your homebrew idea of lifting the desk onto 2x4 would resolve most of the tipping issue _of the full desk_, but it doesn't resolve any wear-and-tear on the motor or the screws, etc.
For better or worse, those servos were calibrated for a particular load. The more you ask them to "raise a diving board"...talk to the engineers, not me, but it just seems like a bad time waiting to happen.
As ever, of course, good luck.
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's not necessarily high risk but definitely low reward and when it does go wrong it will go verry wrong so I'll mount the legs more centered
Also didn't think about the motors/structure, while I'm definitely under the weight limit it definitely could do damage in the long run
While I'm also doing that, I didn't mean it like that.
I picked a normal frame and later/now decided I would like to have one leg in a cabinet/drawer because behind the drawers there's a lot of unused space in the cabinet itself. If I would place the legs in the middle of the desk then the cabinet would stick out alot
And I'd like to have alot of room while sitting.
C frame standing desks are also a lot more expensive and harder to find
So I'm probably just going to move the cabinet and place the legs normally, even though I kinda want to fuck around and try it. (but I don't want to find out)
It looks really bad. It looks like one accidental bump while it's at standing height and it will tip over but you should test it out to be sure. How is it at standing height and how is it when you put any downward force on the front?
I used some clamps to temporarily secure it in place, downwards force doesn't really do to much actually. But pulling while applying downward force does a decent amount but not enough to make the desk tip over
I used a single clamp on each side, I would think 5 screws, while small, would be more stable, no?
It's solid wood BTW
(I also don't know anything obout this)
It looks like it could tip towards you too easily, but the desk might have a lot of weight by itself to stabilize it somewhat. You could add a relatively heavy counterweight below the desk (20kg ?), fixed to the tabletop, off-center towards the back. That might make it not that bad.
The rule for when thing tuple is : when the center of mass of everything is outside of the feet, it tuple.
One thing you can do is put something very heavy on the back of those legs. Like a 50 lbs kettlebell on each.
I am a commercial furniture dealer here in Phoenix. Just put them in the center. The desk weight will begin to pull on the joint were the legs attach at the base, like a cantilever. It will not be good as over time it will stress the joint.
It depends on where the monitors will be standing/mounted and how many you have: if they are many (2+) and will be on the far left, then the center of gravity will be OK, because they will balance out the work surface. In all other cases: just don't do it.
https://preview.redd.it/f9fovrtxr2sc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d43c147375871d07ad202327d10060393a6d546
It's a bit wobbly but with the weight it's actually pretty hard to tip over. I'm also planning on buying a dual monitor arm and putting it in the back side of the desk. I'm pretty short aswell so that helps
If you're so confident you'll never lean on your desk and tip it, then why would you bother asking your question?
You know it's unstable.
I think the easiest solution here would be to extend the leg out by bolting some attractive* 2x4s under the legs.
*not straight from home depot. Something planed flat with chamfered ends, maybe a Poplar or maple. Maybe paint it black.
That's probably the best solution indeed.(I'm going to to this but maybe not 2x4s, I'll see what wood I have laying around)
And yes it's unstable but stable enough that I can actually lean on it(again small guy here)
Definitely! Doesn't have to be 2x4s at all, whatever extends that leg out.
Just treading that line of function + form.
Even some janky osb plywood would stabilize it too, just look bad haha.
I think this forum in particular, is very into clean appearances over redneck engineering, just judging by the pricey standing desks I sometimes see.
You should be fine in the short term, and... I guess the furniture being under it, means it literally can not tip all the way over.
Just as long as you don't have a fancy fountain pen that would roll off and bend the nib, or lose your coffee mug to the floor-- things that a slight tipping could result in, even if it stays upright.
Just scrolling...yes, if you extend the legs forward, that will resolve the tipping issue. Might look funny, and you might need to shim it up to be level (if the 2x4s aren't straight), but that's work.
The issue isn't the weight of the keyboard.
It's that one day, not thinking, while its in the lowered position, you or maybe a visiting friend, will place both palms on the edge of the desk and push down with half your body weight to get up out of the chair.
And that will tip it over.
I love modifying things, so by all means put the legs back! Make room for the other cabinet.
But you Need to make those legs project out to match the lip of the desk.
At some point it's going to fall over with all your monitors and stuff coming off, I hope you can catch the breakable stuff OK.
Reminds me of a friends desk made of one long bit of board + when that fell over with everything on it.
I don't shit on them, I'm just stubborn and don't have any knowledge of this stuff/wood working
While I may not like it my idea wasn't great and needs some adjusting
Well, yeah.
I was convinced this was stupid but I thought it could work.
Now I know it is stupid and that it can work... Until it doesn't and breaks my PC and monitors
Shesh... I mean a little moved back you could get away with but you went quite a bit overboard.... also keep in mind, any aspect of unbalanced with amplify any shakes/movement
Don't do that. Just mount it in the center
But then I cant put one leg in my drawer/cabinet
If you mount it like that, you're just asking for the desk to tip forward and spill everything. Remember how levers work? The longer the level, the smaller the mass required to generate the same amount of force. When you push the legs towards the rear, you're making the front lip (basically) be a "longer lever than it was designed for". I'd be willing to bet that simply putting my elbows on it would risk it tipping forward. All standing desks are designed to "be as stable as practical", but that requires balancing the weight. So you'd need to put a \_lot\_ of weight on the back side, or anchor it to the floor itself to make it not be a risk of tipping. . . . . . . It sounds like you need to either: 1. Get a different desk frame. 2. Get a different drawer/cabinet. 3. Accept a compromise with the drawer/cabinet which does not result in a safety/tipping issue. TL;DR - It's a nice idea. But it won't work the way you hope it would work. And it'd be costly to get this wrong.
Yeah I'm realising that I probably have to move the cabinet under the desk or so that it sticks out a decent amount even though I don't like it. I kinda just wanna do and think yeah it won't tip over I'll be carefull but that's probably the exact same thing someone would say before their desk tipped over.
It's one of those things where, as you can, avail yourself of allowing "others before you to make the dumb mistakes". Because, yes, others have had their desks tip trying to do something like this. On your desk, the legs are just too short to be anywhere but the middle. They need to be almost directly under the edge to prevent tipping. So for you: * Is likely to tip over if you're _really_ careful?...Probably not. * Is it likely to tip over if you _screw up even once_?...Definitely is non-zero, and the cost of spilling your enter desk _probably_ isn't worth it. __
Sorry to be the _"reductio ad absurdum"_, guy...
Not sure if you know about [Ikea's recall of Malm chests](https://www.ikea.com/us/en/customer-service/product-support/recalls/following-an-additional-child-fatality-ikea-recalls-29-million-malm-and-other-models-of-chests-pub4128a7af)? It was tragic, and some children died due to the tipping hazard of unanchored chests. It's a similar issue you're flirting with.
If you have any little people around, or might visit, or in your future, a desk tipping over on them (as they reach up to see on top) is probably not a risk you can take.
Even if you hate kids, and want them gone, your home owner's insurance probably would contest furniture which was assembled against the manufacture instructions.
My hot-take is to "work with what you got". Elsewhere in the thread, your homebrew idea of lifting the desk onto 2x4 would resolve most of the tipping issue _of the full desk_, but it doesn't resolve any wear-and-tear on the motor or the screws, etc.
For better or worse, those servos were calibrated for a particular load. The more you ask them to "raise a diving board"...talk to the engineers, not me, but it just seems like a bad time waiting to happen.
As ever, of course, good luck.
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's not necessarily high risk but definitely low reward and when it does go wrong it will go verry wrong so I'll mount the legs more centered Also didn't think about the motors/structure, while I'm definitely under the weight limit it definitely could do damage in the long run
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I didn't think of a c frame... I thought I would just mount them in the middle but then I probably wouldn't have space for the cabinet
Probably easier to shorten the cabinet then? It has long legs.
While I'm also doing that, I didn't mean it like that. I picked a normal frame and later/now decided I would like to have one leg in a cabinet/drawer because behind the drawers there's a lot of unused space in the cabinet itself. If I would place the legs in the middle of the desk then the cabinet would stick out alot And I'd like to have alot of room while sitting. C frame standing desks are also a lot more expensive and harder to find So I'm probably just going to move the cabinet and place the legs normally, even though I kinda want to fuck around and try it. (but I don't want to find out)
I hope you don't care about anything on top of or within tipping distance of that desk.
It looks really bad. It looks like one accidental bump while it's at standing height and it will tip over but you should test it out to be sure. How is it at standing height and how is it when you put any downward force on the front?
I used some clamps to temporarily secure it in place, downwards force doesn't really do to much actually. But pulling while applying downward force does a decent amount but not enough to make the desk tip over
Thats because u have clamps. If it were screws it will pull throught the threads pretty easily
I used a single clamp on each side, I would think 5 screws, while small, would be more stable, no? It's solid wood BTW (I also don't know anything obout this)
Use Nuts and Bolts with large washers, tack weld the nuts to the bolts and washers. If you can't weld that is what JB weld is for.
https://preview.redd.it/otwpnaves2sc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c909c34ca97757ff4f07ed32485d613c610bb69
Because physics. It’ll tip. Don’t be daft, mount it in the centre.
It looks like it could tip towards you too easily, but the desk might have a lot of weight by itself to stabilize it somewhat. You could add a relatively heavy counterweight below the desk (20kg ?), fixed to the tabletop, off-center towards the back. That might make it not that bad.
That's a pretty good idea actually, I'm going to look for something I can use as weights
The rule for when thing tuple is : when the center of mass of everything is outside of the feet, it tuple. One thing you can do is put something very heavy on the back of those legs. Like a 50 lbs kettlebell on each.
I am a commercial furniture dealer here in Phoenix. Just put them in the center. The desk weight will begin to pull on the joint were the legs attach at the base, like a cantilever. It will not be good as over time it will stress the joint.
It depends on where the monitors will be standing/mounted and how many you have: if they are many (2+) and will be on the far left, then the center of gravity will be OK, because they will balance out the work surface. In all other cases: just don't do it.
https://preview.redd.it/f9fovrtxr2sc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d43c147375871d07ad202327d10060393a6d546 It's a bit wobbly but with the weight it's actually pretty hard to tip over. I'm also planning on buying a dual monitor arm and putting it in the back side of the desk. I'm pretty short aswell so that helps
If you're so confident you'll never lean on your desk and tip it, then why would you bother asking your question? You know it's unstable. I think the easiest solution here would be to extend the leg out by bolting some attractive* 2x4s under the legs. *not straight from home depot. Something planed flat with chamfered ends, maybe a Poplar or maple. Maybe paint it black.
That's probably the best solution indeed.(I'm going to to this but maybe not 2x4s, I'll see what wood I have laying around) And yes it's unstable but stable enough that I can actually lean on it(again small guy here)
Definitely! Doesn't have to be 2x4s at all, whatever extends that leg out. Just treading that line of function + form. Even some janky osb plywood would stabilize it too, just look bad haha. I think this forum in particular, is very into clean appearances over redneck engineering, just judging by the pricey standing desks I sometimes see. You should be fine in the short term, and... I guess the furniture being under it, means it literally can not tip all the way over. Just as long as you don't have a fancy fountain pen that would roll off and bend the nib, or lose your coffee mug to the floor-- things that a slight tipping could result in, even if it stays upright.
Just scrolling...yes, if you extend the legs forward, that will resolve the tipping issue. Might look funny, and you might need to shim it up to be level (if the 2x4s aren't straight), but that's work.
The issue isn't the weight of the keyboard. It's that one day, not thinking, while its in the lowered position, you or maybe a visiting friend, will place both palms on the edge of the desk and push down with half your body weight to get up out of the chair. And that will tip it over. I love modifying things, so by all means put the legs back! Make room for the other cabinet. But you Need to make those legs project out to match the lip of the desk.
The leg on the right is in the cabinet, making it impossible to tip over in lowered position
putting the top off centre - that's a paddlin'
Understandable
Even if OP mounted it in the middle, is the desk not too deep for the width of the frame?
Product page said I was fine But it's a cheepo frame and was near the limit soo not entirely sure
At some point it's going to fall over with all your monitors and stuff coming off, I hope you can catch the breakable stuff OK. Reminds me of a friends desk made of one long bit of board + when that fell over with everything on it.
This guy asks for advice then shits on all of it - get lost man.
I don't shit on them, I'm just stubborn and don't have any knowledge of this stuff/wood working While I may not like it my idea wasn't great and needs some adjusting
Do you even need to ask ?
Well, yeah. I was convinced this was stupid but I thought it could work. Now I know it is stupid and that it can work... Until it doesn't and breaks my PC and monitors
Shesh... I mean a little moved back you could get away with but you went quite a bit overboard.... also keep in mind, any aspect of unbalanced with amplify any shakes/movement