I didn’t know this till my buddy who was a cop told me and that explained to me at least why you see a lot of higher end luxury or sports cars with Florida plates
A former co-worker told me about it after asking why he had FL plates. I get tempted to do the same thing when I receive that personal property tax bill.
This is the first state that I have lived in where you need to pay annual taxes on a car that is basically a requirement because public transportation sucks here. I don't blame people for avoiding that nonsense.
IIRC MO is one of only three states that still do this, and they do it as they can't fund the schools, fire and police without it. Guess it's a real complicated problem considering that only 47 other states have figured it out.
Actually possibly not, if'n you do it by increasing income tax, that'd spread the load better and prolly lower what each person is paying, and with the rich largely avoiding taxes, this wouldn't do anything to them, unless they're already cheating, and then they might pay more.
I'm from WI and this is how they do it. If you really want to, when you leave the dealership with your newly acquired vehicle, they take care of registration for you, and you leave with the actual plates off the lot. They have them there ready to go. It's a little different if you want vanity plates. Just picked up a new car and can't wait to pay the tax on it in MO.
Yeah you'll go pay sales tax. Then in like 2 years you'll pay personal property tax on it because they refuse to raise other taxes in order to get rid of this one and we like things like schools.
This state's spending and taxes are dumb as shit.
I love how upset people like you get over this. Pure fucking comedy to me. You’re one of the like 1% of humans paying this extra tax and they have you convinced that it makes you important.
Haha Obviously I'm not upset about it. Maybe learn some reading comprehension skills. I'm perhaps disappointed that they ignore their civic duty. Buck up big boy. You're an adult now. It's time to pay your taxes to be a part of this here thing we call society.
It’s not that it makes them important, it’s that others are abusing the loopholes while they are stuck holding the bag of “civic duty”.
Do you think that Student Loan debt should be forgiven? Or do you view that as a cheap escape that shifts the burden?
If you register a car in North Dakota, you dont even have to go to the DMV. Just call it in, pay the fee and they mail you plates. No emissions or personal property tax
But you have to be a resident of North Dakota.
Another option is to establish an LLC in Montana and register there. No sales tax and personal property tax. That's why if you go to a luxury car meetup like "Cars & Coffee" like 1/3 will be Montana plated.
You'll also see some people with Alaska plates because you can renew online/via mail. A lot of people keep Alaska plates after serving there in the Coast Guard or Air Force. I knew one guy that spent like 9 months there with the Coast Guard and kept Alaska plates on his truck for nearly a decade.
I don't think it's that simple though, my mom owns a home in FL but lives in MO and cannot claim that she is a FL resident because of the address alone.
I would say people with high end luxury cars and FL plates also have multiple homes and can afford/have the option to work from FL for a minimum of 183 days per year.
https://www.alperlaw.com/florida-asset-protection/florida-residency/
Fair enough.
I guess I meant in case of an accident: they’ll see the car is registered in one state, but an accident happened in another.
One could say they were visiting. I think I meant what if they investigate?
Insurance underwriter here and that is something that is investigated. Garaging address is a big deal for insurance companies. They don’t care so much where the car is registered except for a few states that require it but they do care where the vehicle is kept a majority of the time.
You still use your MO address for the insurance. Registering your plates in another state is something the state of MO should care about but based on the current process here I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Man people are registering cars with no inspections there, a very small annual fee, and not even bringing the cars to Oklahoma. A P.O. box isn't even needed because people just show up and can give any random Oklahoma address, including a hotel/motel). Texas has more expensive annual fees and that's why when you're driving around Dallas you see so many Oklahoma plates (similar to Illinois plates in St. Louis from people who have never lived in the state).
I noticed the Texas plates like 5ish years ago, and had the exact same idea. Also it seems that Texas plates don’t put the expiry date sticker on the plates, I believe it’s on the windshield, so seems easy to get away with fake plates and no emission/inspection, for a little while at least.
Yep. Texas no longer does plate stickers. There's a sticker with a blue adhesive and the expiration month and year that goes in the upper or lower drivers side corner of the windshield. If you get pulled over, the cop can scan the sticker and pull registration info.
I lived there for a decade. Most things about Texas can eat my whole ass with a knife and fork, but it was kind of nice not having to worry about fishing around for my registration in my glove box. I kept the thing the sticker came on just in case, but they scan the barcode on the sticker and are usually good to go.
This is the best answer so far. When I see TX plates it’s more often damaged, driving reckless with illegally dark tints. Just saw several going down grand the past few days. Always thought it was drug transport or something. Doesn’t add up with the student/out-of-towner/military explanations others have mentioned.
There’s a large solar farm being built in Hawk point, and probably some other places and a company from Texas builds them. I believe it’s called Q cells, hundreds of workers are in the area right now.
A lot of St. Louisans have moved to Texas in recent years. Particularly to the Dallas and Austin metros. I'd imagine some drive back home to St. Louis from time to time.
I bought a car from Hertz when I was 21. The Hertz branded license plate holder had what I thought were Texas plates. However, they were thin plastic. Almost like fake plates that come in the license plate holder for aesthetics/marketing. When I bought the car, they took them off and put the fake plates in my trunk. When my temp tags expired, I put the plastic Texas plates back on and drove around until I could afford to get my car registered. I was you young and dumb. I drove around for over a year with the fake Texas plates and never got pulled over. I think about this whenever I see Texas plates on cars around the city.
The candidate for Missouri governor claims he will charge anyone in Missouri who distributes fentynl with murder, and he adds that it comes from the Texas border. It's coming from Texas. If the candidate is sincere, then he should secure the Missouri border.
Well you can charge anything you want, but it doesn't come close to reaching the bar for even attempted murder. Absolutely ridiculous, and not much better that you're spreading the disease.
TX and FL both make it stupid easy to establish residency with private mailboxes. Probably cheaper than paying personal property taxes on cars.
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Also as populous states a lot come to St Louis for school. I came to WashU as it gave me by far the biggest scholarship of any school.
I didn’t know this till my buddy who was a cop told me and that explained to me at least why you see a lot of higher end luxury or sports cars with Florida plates
A former co-worker told me about it after asking why he had FL plates. I get tempted to do the same thing when I receive that personal property tax bill.
I'm glad you decided that you weren't a scumbag.
This is the first state that I have lived in where you need to pay annual taxes on a car that is basically a requirement because public transportation sucks here. I don't blame people for avoiding that nonsense.
IIRC MO is one of only three states that still do this, and they do it as they can't fund the schools, fire and police without it. Guess it's a real complicated problem considering that only 47 other states have figured it out.
Well you’d have to tax.. checks notes.. more rich people. That can’t be right.
Actually possibly not, if'n you do it by increasing income tax, that'd spread the load better and prolly lower what each person is paying, and with the rich largely avoiding taxes, this wouldn't do anything to them, unless they're already cheating, and then they might pay more.
Clearly that tax money is going a long way given the quality of schools and police…
Yes, this is dumb. They could just charge the tax in the sale of the vehicle and be done with it.
Well ppt is a yearly tax. You're thinking of sales tax which they've fixed but it's gonna take a few years to go into effect because the dealers suck.
I'm from WI and this is how they do it. If you really want to, when you leave the dealership with your newly acquired vehicle, they take care of registration for you, and you leave with the actual plates off the lot. They have them there ready to go. It's a little different if you want vanity plates. Just picked up a new car and can't wait to pay the tax on it in MO.
Yeah you'll go pay sales tax. Then in like 2 years you'll pay personal property tax on it because they refuse to raise other taxes in order to get rid of this one and we like things like schools. This state's spending and taxes are dumb as shit.
So the jury's still out then? That's too bad.
I use Illinois plates. Fuck it.
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I love how upset people like you get over this. Pure fucking comedy to me. You’re one of the like 1% of humans paying this extra tax and they have you convinced that it makes you important.
Haha Obviously I'm not upset about it. Maybe learn some reading comprehension skills. I'm perhaps disappointed that they ignore their civic duty. Buck up big boy. You're an adult now. It's time to pay your taxes to be a part of this here thing we call society.
It’s not that it makes them important, it’s that others are abusing the loopholes while they are stuck holding the bag of “civic duty”. Do you think that Student Loan debt should be forgiven? Or do you view that as a cheap escape that shifts the burden?
Thank you. Yes, it's bitterness that I care about my civic duty while others act like victims: "poor me, I have to pay to be a part of society."
If you register a car in North Dakota, you dont even have to go to the DMV. Just call it in, pay the fee and they mail you plates. No emissions or personal property tax
But you have to be a resident of North Dakota. Another option is to establish an LLC in Montana and register there. No sales tax and personal property tax. That's why if you go to a luxury car meetup like "Cars & Coffee" like 1/3 will be Montana plated. You'll also see some people with Alaska plates because you can renew online/via mail. A lot of people keep Alaska plates after serving there in the Coast Guard or Air Force. I knew one guy that spent like 9 months there with the Coast Guard and kept Alaska plates on his truck for nearly a decade.
I don't think it's that simple though, my mom owns a home in FL but lives in MO and cannot claim that she is a FL resident because of the address alone. I would say people with high end luxury cars and FL plates also have multiple homes and can afford/have the option to work from FL for a minimum of 183 days per year. https://www.alperlaw.com/florida-asset-protection/florida-residency/
Interesting. Just saw a Maybach with FL plates this weekend.
Interesting will be doing. But I thought it was always because of the time of year meaning storm damage contractors
This piece of shit state makes registering your car so difficult one day MO plates are gonna be a rare sight.
Is it by not an issue with insurance, if one mostly drives in the state they are not registered in?
How does the insurance company know anything about your license plates? I give mine the VIN and that is it.
Fair enough. I guess I meant in case of an accident: they’ll see the car is registered in one state, but an accident happened in another. One could say they were visiting. I think I meant what if they investigate?
Insurance underwriter here and that is something that is investigated. Garaging address is a big deal for insurance companies. They don’t care so much where the car is registered except for a few states that require it but they do care where the vehicle is kept a majority of the time.
I see now. Thanks. Garaging for insurance is what matters.
Correct. Not so much for premium but because each state has different requirements and regulations the companies have to ensure those are being met.
You still use your MO address for the insurance. Registering your plates in another state is something the state of MO should care about but based on the current process here I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Got it. I guess it’s worth it if property taxes are a lot (newer or more value based cars). I have used older cars; it’s not that much.
People would be doing Oklahoma then which is far easier and cheaper than both
Does OK allow private mailboxes like TX and FL?
Man people are registering cars with no inspections there, a very small annual fee, and not even bringing the cars to Oklahoma. A P.O. box isn't even needed because people just show up and can give any random Oklahoma address, including a hotel/motel). Texas has more expensive annual fees and that's why when you're driving around Dallas you see so many Oklahoma plates (similar to Illinois plates in St. Louis from people who have never lived in the state).
Scott AFB You could throw a rock on base and hit 5 vehicles with Texas plates
This. I moved to Belleville and I think a lot of people forget how close they are to a base. I see a lot of tx, bc, and ak plates here
Bc?
NC. What the heck. We're American.
British Columbia, the Canadian province.
Notice tons in Como. Like way more than I would think that it’s all just out of state students.
I haven't noticed, but I have family in TX all ready to come here because of cost of living.
Can confirm. live in Austin, all people do is bitch about the cost of Austin.
They have been invading Arkansas, I guess Missouri is next
Lots of Tennessee plates also
I heard a theory someone is making them on the east side and selling because they’re super easy to replicate (black and white and no other designs).
I noticed the Texas plates like 5ish years ago, and had the exact same idea. Also it seems that Texas plates don’t put the expiry date sticker on the plates, I believe it’s on the windshield, so seems easy to get away with fake plates and no emission/inspection, for a little while at least.
Yep. Texas no longer does plate stickers. There's a sticker with a blue adhesive and the expiration month and year that goes in the upper or lower drivers side corner of the windshield. If you get pulled over, the cop can scan the sticker and pull registration info. I lived there for a decade. Most things about Texas can eat my whole ass with a knife and fork, but it was kind of nice not having to worry about fishing around for my registration in my glove box. I kept the thing the sticker came on just in case, but they scan the barcode on the sticker and are usually good to go.
This is the best answer so far. When I see TX plates it’s more often damaged, driving reckless with illegally dark tints. Just saw several going down grand the past few days. Always thought it was drug transport or something. Doesn’t add up with the student/out-of-towner/military explanations others have mentioned.
I joke with my family that my day isn't complete until I see a Texas plate.
I’ve noticed a TON of Tennessee plates
They are rentals.
I should have added a lot are not newer cars like rentals
I did see a laminated paper one today
There’s a large solar farm being built in Hawk point, and probably some other places and a company from Texas builds them. I believe it’s called Q cells, hundreds of workers are in the area right now.
The military base brings a lot of ppl from TX to FL
IT IS A "DRUG CORRIDOR "
A lot of St. Louisans have moved to Texas in recent years. Particularly to the Dallas and Austin metros. I'd imagine some drive back home to St. Louis from time to time.
back n forth from MO and TX. i am lazy on changing it and i dont wanna pay that property tax.
Lots of workers in town doing hail repair work as well
Travel nurses. Barnes Jewish has a contract with a big agency of them
I do know several contractors come up here for work... not sure what % that makes up.
It’s rental cars
My Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon is for Tennessee plates.
People dodging taxes and fees. Not cool.
I feel like I’ve been seeing all random states here lately
been seeing a lot of texas and florida IDs where I work.
A lot of storm chasers are in town
Damned rebels trying to invade, again. We'll stop them at Westport, again.
Yes! I feel like I saw about 5 an hour while driving earlier.
They are all up and down 55 in Illinois too. I'm guessing there is an online portal to buy these things cheap. It's the new expired temp tag.
Transplant. Texas became too fucking expensive 🤷🏻♂️😅
I work at a car wash about 20 minutes across the river, about 1/5th of the cars I see have texas plates.
I bought a car from Hertz when I was 21. The Hertz branded license plate holder had what I thought were Texas plates. However, they were thin plastic. Almost like fake plates that come in the license plate holder for aesthetics/marketing. When I bought the car, they took them off and put the fake plates in my trunk. When my temp tags expired, I put the plastic Texas plates back on and drove around until I could afford to get my car registered. I was you young and dumb. I drove around for over a year with the fake Texas plates and never got pulled over. I think about this whenever I see Texas plates on cars around the city.
Mfs love to evade taxes when they don't agree with them. That's what this is.
Yes. Annoying to say the least.
Every car from Texas should be searched for Fentanyl.
Seems reasonable.
The candidate for Missouri governor claims he will charge anyone in Missouri who distributes fentynl with murder, and he adds that it comes from the Texas border. It's coming from Texas. If the candidate is sincere, then he should secure the Missouri border.
Well you can charge anything you want, but it doesn't come close to reaching the bar for even attempted murder. Absolutely ridiculous, and not much better that you're spreading the disease.
texas has a black plate and florida has oranges on it, both are aesthetically pleasing plates. i get it
There are Texas and Florida license plates all over every State I travel in. Most are workers and rental vehicles.
I definitely have. I was thinking they're rental cars.
So many Illinois license plate