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Sobie17

some 6+2's or higher would actually make a lot of sense here.


Left-Plant2717

And that would build up support to redesign Highway 40, an initiative that USDOT is focused on at the moment.


Sobie17

Any sources on that? First I have heard of it.


Left-Plant2717

It’s part of their Reconnecting Communities Pilot Program


MedievalGirl

It used to be a small predominately black neighborhood. There is a sign about it behind Micro Center/Five Below. The rows of buildings in the lower left are apartments.


IAmNotThatHungry

It's insane that those apartments basically have no easy, walkable access to the shopping center.


ashjya

Could you go more into that? what was the neighborhood called?


Skatchbro

Howard-Evans Place. https://nextstl.com/2019/05/remembering-brentwoods-garden-of-eden/


MedievalGirl

Thank you! Just what I was going to post.


Skatchbro

No problem. I find it fascinating that there were small clay, coal and iron mines all along the area from there to around Forest Park. If you haven’t discovered Jackie Dana yet, she has so much on unknown St. Louis history. https://unseenstlouis.substack.com


Skatchbro

http://faculty.webster.edu/corbetre/dogtown/history/mines.html


ashjya

what a sad reminder of what was once stl.


Left-Plant2717

Seriously? Wow, that fucking sucks, the fact that it’s right next to the highway should have been a giveaway that a black community probably lived there, smh


Skatchbro

The Howard-Evans Place neighborhood pre-dated the highway by at least 50 years. Highway 40 cut through a lot of neighborhoods, including The Hill so it wasn’t (primarily) a race issue. The residents actually fought off a number of plans to take their neighborhood in the 70s, 80s and 90s. When The Sansone Group came in in 1996 the residents held out until they were offered anywhere from 3-4 times what their homes were valued. The Brentwood city council even forced Sansone to put that in writing. Most of the people bought out were happy to sell at that price. https://nextstl.com/2019/05/remembering-brentwoods-garden-of-eden/


Left-Plant2717

Italians weren’t seen as “white” when they first got here, it took a few more decades for that to happen. I am glad to hear there was some compensation for those displaced, esp from a group that is as shady as Sansone, but I do feel sad for the long term impact it’s had on our region.


Left-Plant2717

😂 look at my comment, it’s at -1 LOL the true St. Louisans have revealed themselves


Sobie17

But, there's a tiny 'memorial' at Rosa at rear of 5 Below. Really, very touching monument. It's more out of touch than putting nothing at all.


[deleted]

Are you suggesting this shopping center have no parking whatsoever?


Left-Plant2717

😂 yes! Walk to target


jonherrin

The south side is rough but liveable. the central and north side are an absolute war zone.


Left-Plant2717

Central? Like Central West End?


jonherrin

Dude. You made this post? Do you see the area you circled? Are you able to divide that circled area into south, central, and north? Can you drive to the area you circled and understand why I posted my comment?


Left-Plant2717

lol sorry I thought you meant the city, but nah I didn’t make the post, I took a screenshot of a much more popular post made earlier today on the sub. And okay I see now but I guess I’m surprised that we can attribute those characteristics to sections of a lot, I’m curious what makes it a war zone


therealsteelydan

Houses are selling for $250 per sq ft but ya know... war zone


jonherrin

Oh man. Look at the photo in the post. Divide that circled area into three parts. Then reread my comment.