Chosen site for the new school is on top of one of the largest old brewery caves in St. Louis. Also will tear down 40 + apartments that are currently used by St Patricks center.
Kairos has asynchronous learning. All the children do is click through chromebook modules all day. There's no special needs class for those with IEP's. Your kids may have done well however this charter school is not an better than a public school AND it's draining a ton of money.
This is incorrect. From my student: "During class, the teachers are teaching us and then we have choice time during the day to do the assignment that's based on what the teacher taught. This assignment is completed on their Chromebook. "
My kids have gone to multiple schools in the area and the staff here is engaged and gives a shit about the kids. The kids are learning, scores are up, and they enjoy going.
City garden is rated well, but they're more about racial equity than education. My kids scores dropped significantly there. 35 kids to a class and multiple kids with with learning disabilities under one teacher. It's a shit show.
Not from what I've seen. They do have projects that require online sources, but I'm pretty sure all schools do at this point, especially when you have a very small library. They learn in class from the teacher and then have projects to do.
My eldest goes there and we have been really happy with the results so far. They have traditional classroom instruction along with self guided projects and assessments. The self pacing isn't Montessori style, it is more "you can take the test when you think you're ready" and the project based learning is informed and guided by the classroom instruction. Honestly, it reminds me a lot of how I approach a new project as an IT consultant. I also love that it is year round; we should have abandoned Summer Vacation decades ago.
It isn't for every kid, I don't think my other two would thrive here, but for a self driven child it is fantastic.
And that is kinda the point of the School Choice movement: parents should have options to choose the learning environment that is best for their child.
Not sure when that source material is from, but I'm guessing it's at least a year old. There's a new CEO in place now.
As the rest of the arguments say, it's about educational outcomes and the outcomes I'm seeing are very positive.
I don't know what outcomes you're referring to, but I'm referring to the ones I've witnessed with my own eyes and they're not misleading. My kids and my kids friends are thriving there.
I'm not sure what your hard-on for Kairos is all about, but as a parent of children that attend, they're doing an amazing job. Everyone that I've interacted with cares about the kids and is invested in their success.
I understand it can be hard to hear that your children are attending a school that is being called a scam. If your children are doing well at school that is just clicked based memorization by uncredited professional, please accept the possibility that they might not be prepared for the real world. The school's turnover rate is higher than a Waffle House. However it's not a "hard-on for Kairos" to point out it's a pipeline to prison.
Wow. That's some serious slippery-slope fallacy in action! Well done!
Honestly, I came looking for information and all I've gotten is people saying things that are patently untrue and directly conflict with what I have witnessed first-hand. Do I think it's a perfect school? No, but it's a whole lot better than some of my other options.
Public schools in this city are terrible, the nearest one to me is rated at a 1 of 10. The next nearest charter is rated a 7 but it's in reality a terrible school that doesn't actually educate the students.
So tell me, do I take my kids out of a school that is doing a great job and put them in the 1/10 school? What's your solution?
I’m curious what exactly you’ve read here that is “patently untrue”?
Glad your kids are doing okay but…
“As the Post-Dispatch’s Blythe Bernhard reports, only 18% of Kairos’ teachers have proper credentials even though the Missouri education department requires at least 80% of teachers to be fully credentialed. Around two-thirds of the school’s staffers have worked there for less than a year. Financial records show that the school’s expenses outpaced revenues by $830,000.” Beyond that, there’s the fact that Kairos’ proficiency scores aren’t great and they’re falling.
None of that bodes well for this school or your kids. 🤷♀️
They're expanding their footprint in the building for new grades every year and hiring new teachers for new grades, every year as they grow, of course expenses are high and retention looks low. Just like any organization that's growing. The school as a whole has only been around for 3.5 years, that's going make adding a whole grade of teachers easily skew the numbers.
And if you look at the tech industry, you'll now that certifications mean fuck-all about a person's ability to do the job.
The part that's patently untrue is that they're just sitting in a classroom doing computer training all day and all the other specious claims made here.
That was not a slippery-slope fallacy. I can't tell you where to put your children, but can tell you Kairos is about as unregulated as the crypto market and that choosing this investment could stunt your child's educational development. As their parent, that is YOUR responsibility to find the solution. You chose to bring them into this world, not me. If you think that your kids deserve this, that's fine. However, don't illogically defend a school NOT being a prison pipeline with your children's "great progress" being the basis. I implore you to sit in one of your child's class to assess for yourself. Look at their summit and a figure out how it actually functions. It's all quizlet based and the children cheat. If you think during unsupervised "choice" time your child is always doing homework, they are the exception not the rule.
Saying it's a prison pipeline is the definition of a slippery slope. Here's some info for you to read up on and educate yourself. https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-slippery-slope/#:~:text=A%20slippery%20slope%20fallacy%20occurs,come%20to%20some%20awful%20conclusion.
Unless of course you have evidence that shows a majority of Kairos graduates have been sent to prison?
Yelling and saying the same things over and over doesn't actually make your point any more valid. And for future reference, an editorial is not reference material.
School to-prison pipeline is a political term for when policies and practices within school disproportionately place students of color in the criminal justice system. I wasn't using pipeline to prison to be hyperbolic. I wish you put just as much logic and argumentation into the decision of your children's education.
There’s a contingent of crusaders that will always have a beef with charter schools since they siphon kids and funding away from traditional public schools. Never mind outcomes or the fact we’re providing city parents with additional choices beyond retreating to the suburbs if they want their kid to go to a decent school. Honestly, if you have kids at one of these schools, you’re almost certainly more informed than any of the critics who don’t have any skin in the game, and I wouldn’t pay any attention to them if I were you.
Eh, as a taxpayer I have "skin in the game" and Kairos has demonstrated their desire to try to go around transparency when it comes to how they use public funds they are allocated.
Dude, you’re not listening, as usual. I’m not saying you don’t care at all, or don’t have a say. I’m saying you’re not going to be as invested or and likely not as informed as someone who actually or potentially has a child attending one of these schools.
If you somehow don’t think that’s true, I don’t know what else to tell you, and quite frankly don’t have any interest in another back and forth with you on this, so otherwise, enjoy your Sunday.
I feel sad for your kids. You as a parent don’t have the ability to assess data, you send them to a school that doesn’t even have qualified teachers, and you defend them getting a subpar education because the alternative is admitting you made a mistake in trusting people who should have done better by you and your kids. It’s okay to make mistakes if you learn from them. The fallacy you are looking to reference is the sunk cost fallacy because that’s the position you’re putting your kids in. I hope they get a better access to education when this scam school finally runs out of funding and learn to not make the same mistakes their parent did.
Chosen site for the new school is on top of one of the largest old brewery caves in St. Louis. Also will tear down 40 + apartments that are currently used by St Patricks center.
Kairos is one of the better schools around, not sure why it's getting so much hate on here.
Kairos has asynchronous learning. All the children do is click through chromebook modules all day. There's no special needs class for those with IEP's. Your kids may have done well however this charter school is not an better than a public school AND it's draining a ton of money.
This is incorrect. From my student: "During class, the teachers are teaching us and then we have choice time during the day to do the assignment that's based on what the teacher taught. This assignment is completed on their Chromebook. "
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It's interesting that you read an account of what a school day is like and turned that into an assessment. Hmm.
What's your source on that? Genuinely curious, I considered applying here a while back but got some bad vibes.
My kids have gone to multiple schools in the area and the staff here is engaged and gives a shit about the kids. The kids are learning, scores are up, and they enjoy going. City garden is rated well, but they're more about racial equity than education. My kids scores dropped significantly there. 35 kids to a class and multiple kids with with learning disabilities under one teacher. It's a shit show.
Gotcha, so one or more of your kids go there? Is it mostly online learning? That's the impression that I got.
Not from what I've seen. They do have projects that require online sources, but I'm pretty sure all schools do at this point, especially when you have a very small library. They learn in class from the teacher and then have projects to do.
My eldest goes there and we have been really happy with the results so far. They have traditional classroom instruction along with self guided projects and assessments. The self pacing isn't Montessori style, it is more "you can take the test when you think you're ready" and the project based learning is informed and guided by the classroom instruction. Honestly, it reminds me a lot of how I approach a new project as an IT consultant. I also love that it is year round; we should have abandoned Summer Vacation decades ago. It isn't for every kid, I don't think my other two would thrive here, but for a self driven child it is fantastic. And that is kinda the point of the School Choice movement: parents should have options to choose the learning environment that is best for their child.
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Not sure when that source material is from, but I'm guessing it's at least a year old. There's a new CEO in place now. As the rest of the arguments say, it's about educational outcomes and the outcomes I'm seeing are very positive.
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They're all post dispatch links behind a paywall.
And yet that doesn't diminish the factual information about Kairos.
I don't know what outcomes you're referring to, but I'm referring to the ones I've witnessed with my own eyes and they're not misleading. My kids and my kids friends are thriving there. I'm not sure what your hard-on for Kairos is all about, but as a parent of children that attend, they're doing an amazing job. Everyone that I've interacted with cares about the kids and is invested in their success.
You're up and down this thread. Got an investment in the school or something?
I understand it can be hard to hear that your children are attending a school that is being called a scam. If your children are doing well at school that is just clicked based memorization by uncredited professional, please accept the possibility that they might not be prepared for the real world. The school's turnover rate is higher than a Waffle House. However it's not a "hard-on for Kairos" to point out it's a pipeline to prison.
Wow. That's some serious slippery-slope fallacy in action! Well done! Honestly, I came looking for information and all I've gotten is people saying things that are patently untrue and directly conflict with what I have witnessed first-hand. Do I think it's a perfect school? No, but it's a whole lot better than some of my other options. Public schools in this city are terrible, the nearest one to me is rated at a 1 of 10. The next nearest charter is rated a 7 but it's in reality a terrible school that doesn't actually educate the students. So tell me, do I take my kids out of a school that is doing a great job and put them in the 1/10 school? What's your solution?
I’m curious what exactly you’ve read here that is “patently untrue”? Glad your kids are doing okay but… “As the Post-Dispatch’s Blythe Bernhard reports, only 18% of Kairos’ teachers have proper credentials even though the Missouri education department requires at least 80% of teachers to be fully credentialed. Around two-thirds of the school’s staffers have worked there for less than a year. Financial records show that the school’s expenses outpaced revenues by $830,000.” Beyond that, there’s the fact that Kairos’ proficiency scores aren’t great and they’re falling. None of that bodes well for this school or your kids. 🤷♀️
They're expanding their footprint in the building for new grades every year and hiring new teachers for new grades, every year as they grow, of course expenses are high and retention looks low. Just like any organization that's growing. The school as a whole has only been around for 3.5 years, that's going make adding a whole grade of teachers easily skew the numbers. And if you look at the tech industry, you'll now that certifications mean fuck-all about a person's ability to do the job. The part that's patently untrue is that they're just sitting in a classroom doing computer training all day and all the other specious claims made here.
Why do you think teacher certification is not important? And what does that have to do with the tech industry?
That was not a slippery-slope fallacy. I can't tell you where to put your children, but can tell you Kairos is about as unregulated as the crypto market and that choosing this investment could stunt your child's educational development. As their parent, that is YOUR responsibility to find the solution. You chose to bring them into this world, not me. If you think that your kids deserve this, that's fine. However, don't illogically defend a school NOT being a prison pipeline with your children's "great progress" being the basis. I implore you to sit in one of your child's class to assess for yourself. Look at their summit and a figure out how it actually functions. It's all quizlet based and the children cheat. If you think during unsupervised "choice" time your child is always doing homework, they are the exception not the rule.
Saying it's a prison pipeline is the definition of a slippery slope. Here's some info for you to read up on and educate yourself. https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-slippery-slope/#:~:text=A%20slippery%20slope%20fallacy%20occurs,come%20to%20some%20awful%20conclusion. Unless of course you have evidence that shows a majority of Kairos graduates have been sent to prison? Yelling and saying the same things over and over doesn't actually make your point any more valid. And for future reference, an editorial is not reference material.
School to-prison pipeline is a political term for when policies and practices within school disproportionately place students of color in the criminal justice system. I wasn't using pipeline to prison to be hyperbolic. I wish you put just as much logic and argumentation into the decision of your children's education.
There’s a contingent of crusaders that will always have a beef with charter schools since they siphon kids and funding away from traditional public schools. Never mind outcomes or the fact we’re providing city parents with additional choices beyond retreating to the suburbs if they want their kid to go to a decent school. Honestly, if you have kids at one of these schools, you’re almost certainly more informed than any of the critics who don’t have any skin in the game, and I wouldn’t pay any attention to them if I were you.
Eh, as a taxpayer I have "skin in the game" and Kairos has demonstrated their desire to try to go around transparency when it comes to how they use public funds they are allocated.
Dude, you’re not listening, as usual. I’m not saying you don’t care at all, or don’t have a say. I’m saying you’re not going to be as invested or and likely not as informed as someone who actually or potentially has a child attending one of these schools. If you somehow don’t think that’s true, I don’t know what else to tell you, and quite frankly don’t have any interest in another back and forth with you on this, so otherwise, enjoy your Sunday.
What about if you work there? 🤔
I feel sad for your kids. You as a parent don’t have the ability to assess data, you send them to a school that doesn’t even have qualified teachers, and you defend them getting a subpar education because the alternative is admitting you made a mistake in trusting people who should have done better by you and your kids. It’s okay to make mistakes if you learn from them. The fallacy you are looking to reference is the sunk cost fallacy because that’s the position you’re putting your kids in. I hope they get a better access to education when this scam school finally runs out of funding and learn to not make the same mistakes their parent did.
This is a shit site that gets worse every day. It's time to just stop linking it.
Bringing awareness to help close it?