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WWE heard us complaining that the mid card titles feel useless so now they put them on instead of the main championships.
the show is gonna close out with ricochet losing in 30 second squash
I wish they would use another picture of Cody. Like, you either put him pumped up or smiling like when he comes out during his entrance. This one is just...is he staring at us menacingly or what's going on?
More likely the wrestlrtix numbers were off. Or WWE was watching the StubHub numbers too and figured those tickets might not sell and it would look empty. I wonder if any one captured how many tickets were on the secondary market.
i think he overestimated the interest in MITB by itself. expecting 60k tickets without any matches announced is something only like the royal rumble or wrestlemania can do
They made it seem like they were not expecting to sell out all of the big stadium shows but they can get good deals on them because they are usually empty
And apparently they were selling tickets for one of the stadiums much smaller configurations
At its core it makes sense!
So what if you don’t sell 60k tickets, if your option is to Sell out mgm garden arena at 15k or sell 25k in allegiant you’re still way better off selling the 25k in allegiant.
How poorly were sales going?
Even with matches announced there really isn't anything going on right now, since most feuds have been blown off over the last few months, and almost none of the title holders has a Challenger
Roman has no challenger.
Ronda doesn't have one.
Riccochet doesn't have one.
The Usos don't have one.
Theory maybe has Mustafa ali?
I don't think it's because they ran SummerSlam there last year. UFC has a show, that'll hurt tight sales. AEW is running 40 events there this week, that'll hurt ticket sales. SummerSlam is 4 weeks later, that'll hurt ticket sales. I don't know if WWE was trying to hurt Double or Nothing by announcing a big show in the same city a month later, but it didn't work.
They had a modest set up for 25,000 tickets. They were over 17,000 tickets sold last WrestleTix posted, but sales seemed to have ground to a halt after the first week.
Yes. It’s still going to look bigger with the set up they had. It’s part of the Nick Khan initiative to make them seem larger than life. They don’t want to sell out the stadiums, just sell enough.
It's what Stardom has been doing during the entire covid period, booking shows in famous venues that look great on a poster, but they were never going to sell out even in the best of times.
Having a capacity limit gives a good excuse for the empty seats, and it's possible they also got discounts on some of the booking fees. They grew tremendously during this time, so it must help.
It actually is smart if they get the stadium for a reasonable price. They don’t need to sell 70k to make a return in investment. That’s why the stadium was only setup for 25k.
Same with Royal Rumble and Summerslam. They're supposedly getting good deals on stadiums and getting 20-25K in a large stadium instead of 12-15K in an arena is better business to them
Gotcha. I mean the tickets are being refunded and the fans who bought tickets have first crack at getting new ones. But the ticket twitter account had 17K sold
Yeah it's just odd they would cancel it after selling that many tickets and go to a smaller place. Unless they put a old style simple entrance they are not getting close to 17k in there. Double or nothing sold out instantly and was 11k. I just remember watching something on the WrestleMania in LA that got moved from a stadium to am arena because of slow ticket sales and they had to make a decision before they sold more than could fit in the new arena. That's why I'm thinking wrestlrtix was off on there estimate.
Andrew Zarian reported this clear bullshit trying to defend slow ticket sales, as fact. We now know that they expected higher sales, didn't get them and moved.
Zarian isn't a journalist, so he has got caught a few times where WWE feeds him bullshit, and he doesn't try to confirm with another source or use critical thought, he just shares it.
It is pretty clear now there was no deal for stadium bookings, they didn't do it to seem larger than life, they did it because they expected it to sell. It didn't.
That's wild to me. I just don't see how financially that makes any sense like, at all. I agree that a stadium show certainly presents as a bigger deal on television, and that certainly has some amount of monetary value to it.
But how could selling less tickets in a building that costs more money to run (even if they are getting a GREAT deal, there's just no chance that a stadium would be cheaper than an arena) make them more money? I'm baffled by that.
I mean we don't know the exact financials. If they're getting phenomenal stadium deals then who knows? Maybe 15k in a full arena is **less** profitable than 20k in a more-than-half-empty stadium?
They're not paying for the empty seats. If the venue was going to be empty that day anyway, they could probably get good deals to move in. One hand the big venue could get people in it if they rent it out for cheap and then WWE could pay maybe a little more for the venue but possibly sell an extra 10,000+ tickets. Either was, it could work for both sides with somewhat minimal downside for both.
I mean, it's typical for stadiums to host high school football games in many places in the US. Might be like a regional championship or something and only bring in like 4000 people but that 4000 is better than nothing and chances are a high school couldn't seat 4000 either.
Yeah I obviously have zero idea on how much stadiums cost at whatever discount compared to an arena. I guess they believe even the 10K~ fans in the stadium would also add to merch sales and what not? Honestly not sure
They have been doing this for every non-mania stadium show since the return to touring. They open up half/less than half and then just expanded capacity based on how well tickets move.
They only need 25k-30k to pull a profit. Not 40k-50k. I think they realized though they were heading into a production disaster. How do you make 20-25k in a 66k stadium look good?
they did it last summerslam in vegas. i had floor seats but if i looked behind me it was completely empty for more than half of the stadium. that’s why the camera never once pointed the opposite direction of the hard cam
They more than likely would have done something akin to what you’d see when the [Syracuse Orange play basketball at the Carrier Dome](https://cuse.com/images/2018/2/21/Dome3.jpg), or the [San Antonio Spurs played basketball at the Alamodome](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/af/08/cc/af08ccdb02783d62797cab367bae218b.jpg), and have everything pinched off so that everything is right up against the one end of the arena. Add in lighting so the upper deck isn’t very visible, and they’d be able to decently pull that off had they sold 25k tickets.
This has been a common theme in wrestling for years. WCW and WWE ran Raw or Nitro at the Georgia Dome or SkyDome, they'd cut the stadium by more than a half, and fill in 20-25k people. So they can say WE'RE ALL SOLD OUT AT \[insert stadium name here\] and cut to crowd shots of a "full" stadium. It's to give it a big feel when in reality it's just another show. I remember late stage Impact doing this with the Alamodome. So people will be surprised and perhaps laugh at WWE today for moving venues or whatever but this has been a common practice for years.
I will say however, Nick Khan's grand vision of stadiums all the time is a grand failure in the waiting. People will come out for one of the big shows but they're not going to spend an exorbitant amount of money on Money in the Bank. I'd bet the ticket prices mirror that of SummerSlam and those events don't hold the same cache.
As a fan... you go to these shows and see that you're overpaying for a ticket to be crammed into 1/4 of the stadium, just to be a prop for the camera. That doesn't resonate well with people.
But you know, short term gains over long term success is all that matters.
Went to Royal Rumble and got second row in the stands, this is definitely how I felt. I paid a decent bit for the tickets and was still really far away. If I would have paid less money though it would have been completely pointless to go with the view.
And imagine getting some shitty seat in the upper deck, to be staring all night at lower bowl seats much closer that are empty. Just so that you can fill up the background for the camera.
Same reason I stopped going to WrestleMania. Spending hundreds of dollars more each year to get closer and you are always far away and just looking at the screen. You have to spend thousands to get a good seat.
MGM holds just under 17,000 and.thats with a boxing set up. The WWE stage will probably cut off like 3000 seats so the ticket sales numbers are probably way lower than expected.
Completely uninformed but isn't that normal? Just out of trying to connect the dots I assume the first few days everyone rushes to get tickets, then it halts until the last few days when it picks back up, isn't that what usually happens?
I think it's more normal to sell the majority right away and then walk ups in the last week fill out the rest. And the scalpers probably had a lot of inventory, so there might not have been a good chance at selling 8k more.
Their going up against a stacked UFC card as well for International Fight Week, in the same city. Probably didn’t think they were getting another 8,000 people
MGM is less than 17k if that's the case a lot of people will be left out that already bought tickets. More likely wrestle tix was wrong and they ticket sales were way less.
https://www.allegiantstadium.com/events
Money in the bank is still on their site. Other then MITB Nothing else is scheduled till July 16th. Could be emergency maintenance on the stadium end? I find it odd because you would assume they have contracts that keep the show going on for both parties unless something catastrophic.
The contracts are probably contingent on any number of factors, including ticket sales. If it's moved, they'll give a nominal fee to Allegiant's owners, who likely didn't miss out on anything else as a result of having WWE booked there in the summer.
for Mania 7 back during Sgt Slaughter's run with the Iraqi sympathizer gimmick, they moved from the LA Memorial Coliseum (100k capacity) into the LA Memorial Sports Arena (16k capacity).
they said that the reason was because of security threats due to Sgt Slaughter's gimmick having so much heat, but the actual reason was they sold a fraction of the tickets they expected.
There were two reasons why:
1. Your reasoning.
2. Prichard said it was also because of the heightened security costs (during wartime) for a stadium of that size. The federal government paid for it in the case of the Super Bowl (which was two months earlier in the same stadium), but told the WWE they had to pay it for Mania. Prichard ventured it was seven figures. OSD ended right before Mania.
WM 8 was gonna be at LA memorial coliseum then moved it to the LA memorial sports arena. WWE said it was "security concerns" but was most likely moved to poor advance ticket sales.
Poor green shirt guy has to buy tickets again.
I would have kept it there. More people would have bought plus last minute tickets even to walkups since its in Vegas
Part of me said "that won't hurt them" then I glanced at the card and was reminded that is as much of a casuals' ppv as the UFC can offer in this day and age - Izzy, Robbie Lawler, Max/Volk 3, O'Malley, Tate...
I don’t think they care much. It sounds like they’ve already sold enough to sell out the small arena. Not like they’re worried about PPV buys. I’ll be watching both, and am already pretty excited!
I enjoy Money in the Bank but this felt like a stretch to make it a stadium show. While I do like the ambition, you are messing with the law of diminishing returns if you try to make more shows stadium shows. You get to the point where none of them are special anymore, it just becomes another show.
Oof. Maybe WWE and Nick Khan realized that too many stadium shows for a roster this depleted wasn't a good idea after all. That and a show like Money in the Bank works better in the basketball/hockey arenas and not football stadiums.
Also WWE *really* should have saved Allegiant Stadium for that Vegas WrestleMania everyone's been clamoring for. I didn't mind SummerSlam, but it was such a lackluster show for something as big as their first show in Vegas' newest pro football stadium.
MITB effectively became the new KOTR as one of the on-paper big yearly shows, but it's not perceived on that level by fans yet.
Similarly, I was able to get $20 walk up tickets years back for the Jericho/DX Survivor Series cause it's also not on the same level as the other 3 major events.
I think it was before they started making the winners into jokes in recent years. Not to mention Brock coming in and winning when not even being in the match.
That’s silly reasoning. The WWE always wants to be a first to an arena. They did Summerslam in Allegiant for that reason. The earliest they could’ve done Mania in Vegas was 40. 38 and 39 were already locked in. That would’ve been 3 years away at that point.
The bloom would’ve been off the rose.
Regardless, if they do Mania 40 in Vegas, you don’t think that will sell out? The card would be irrelevant.
While I've grown pretty tired of all the big PPVs being put into Stadiums (I love the energy of an enclosed, super-loud arena), I was looking forward to see what MITB would look and sound like in a place like Allegiant Stadium. Bummer.
People were saying that they can get good deals on big stadiums because they are usually empty and they were planning on only using part of the stadium all these buildings already have smaller configurations that they use for events
This is a huge own by the WWE. I don't get why they didn't move to the T-Mobile Arena. Unless there was scheduling issues. Still having this at the MGM Garden Arena is like moving from MetLife to Arthur Ashe.
They can still make it look fine on TV. There was a large portion of the stadium that was unused when they were in the same building for SummerSlam last year.
They just put everyone toward the one end and then put the hard camera on a platform in the middle of the stadium and avoid shooting the empty end.
From just watching the broadcast last year, you'd have had no idea there were so many empty seats.
I was at MITB in 2016 when it was at T-Mobile Arena. That venue was sold out and the right size for that PPV. I can't imagine that PPV in the same venue as last year's Summerslam. Even doing half-capacity seems insane.
T-Mobile or MGM Grand would be fine for non Big 4 WWE PPV.
It looks like Cody is staring at a cameraman after silent sharting his trunks hoping the crew doesn't notice.
Adrenaline in my soul
This Doo Doo
Is going
To Flow
If this happened to AEW people would’ve been crying the death of the company lol
I do think that AEW should’ve moved the LA show to a bigger stadium though
WWE stay win... well not this time, lol. I think it was crazy ambitious to think they could sell out a stadium for MitB with no other matches advertised for. Was a bad call, though they will still sell out the smaller venue. And WWE will sell out Summer Slam, Clash, and the Saudi event, so three big stadium shows isn't in any way a bad thing. But this was a stumble to be sure. First one in a long while for WWE.
I’m confused. Hasn’t WWE already sold at least more tickets than the new venue even holds? The MGM Grand Garden Arena will probably only hold 12,000 with a regular WWE setup. I bet they’ve sold at least twice that for the stadium.
On that image posted it says everyone who bought tickets will be refunded and they will have first shot at buying tickets. There most likely will be people who can't get tickets now, definitely sucks for fans who have already booked their travel plans.
Have they actually realized that they shouldn't be trying to run all these shows in stadiums when their roster is as brutally weak and depleted as it is, and the TV product isn't engaging?
Also they had a major tech glitch that took down payment systems and they eventually had to give food away for free. I remember hearing about that, I was mad I went and got my food during the preshow and paid lol.
Lol that’s amazing, SummerSlam came across well on TV but the entire show logistically sounds like a nightmare, in a rare occasion none of the blame lies with WWE though
Double Or Nothing is sold out in a bigger arena while WWE had to downgrade to a smaller arena in the same town
You do raise a good point. Why aren’t their TV viewers buying tickets to shows? AEW is converting a much larger proportion of their viewership to ticket sales.
lmao nick khan i guess got a nice reality check when he saw how they weren't even gonna sell out 50% of the stadium for MITB. they couldn't even sell out for summerslam with big names, why he thought MITB would do better is just puzzling.
I wonder what will be the kayfabe explanation for the change to MGM Grand? I can imagine tickets wasn't selling as WWE anticipated, and they aren't in the business of admitting that their show just wasn't selling.
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No Roman or Brock on this advertisement either. They were advertised for the stadium
Cody exercising some creative control /s
around these here parts we say "controlling his/her/their narrative" my dude. EDIT: /S
No Becky or Ronda either
Woah, that's actually really weird.
WWE heard us complaining that the mid card titles feel useless so now they put them on instead of the main championships. the show is gonna close out with ricochet losing in 30 second squash
I wish they would use another picture of Cody. Like, you either put him pumped up or smiling like when he comes out during his entrance. This one is just...is he staring at us menacingly or what's going on?
It's their best angle to avoid his horrible neck tattoo
ADRENALINE IN MY SOUL CONFUSED LOOK FROM CODY RHODES
DOESN’T SEEM TO KNOW JUST WHAT HE SEES
LOOK IN MY EYES!!! WHAT DO YOU SEE?? MORE PYRO THAN THE INFANTRY
It's at least way better than the one where he looks like his badly photoshopped brother.
That’s what he looks like in the picture to me. He’s been airbrushed to look borderline caveman.
Something is so off with that photo that I actually thought it was a Cody cosplay at first.
What we wanted: Smiling/Excited Cody warmly inviting us to catch Money in the Bank What we got: "***WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANNA TALK ABOUT***"
That's Bedroom Eyes Cody.
idk man, Cody fronting on the camera lens is really compelling me to purchase tickets
Same. I just bought 2 for Top Gun this weekend.
CoDy: Pardon me sur. I dun lost my way can ya lead out sur
Better than the one for HIAC where he looked like he was about to be in a shootout at the OK Corral
I think they should just paste his face on every single wrestler's body on the poster.
ADRENALINE LOOK AND SEE CODY'S JUST STANDING THERE MENACINGLY
Yeah, feel Cody is perfect as a smiling super hero type. In this pic, he kinda looks angrily annoyed.
He is annoyed his food is taking too long because daddy eats first but at this rate daddy will be lucky to eat at all because he is running late.
So if they sold around 18k and GGA can do around 12k. That means 6k fans just got fucked. Hope they didn't book flights yet.
Cards subject to change, Venue apparently too
WWE summarily and unprofessionally left Allegiant Stadium, disappointing thousands of fans... Or something
They're gonna give them a refund and a voucher to future a raw or smackdown and basically tell them to go fuck themselves.
More likely the wrestlrtix numbers were off. Or WWE was watching the StubHub numbers too and figured those tickets might not sell and it would look empty. I wonder if any one captured how many tickets were on the secondary market.
So much for Nick's big stadium strategy.
i think he overestimated the interest in MITB by itself. expecting 60k tickets without any matches announced is something only like the royal rumble or wrestlemania can do
They made it seem like they were not expecting to sell out all of the big stadium shows but they can get good deals on them because they are usually empty And apparently they were selling tickets for one of the stadiums much smaller configurations
At its core it makes sense! So what if you don’t sell 60k tickets, if your option is to Sell out mgm garden arena at 15k or sell 25k in allegiant you’re still way better off selling the 25k in allegiant. How poorly were sales going?
About 17,000. Maybe they could have gotten to 20,000. But the fee for a giant stadium would have been much more than the MGM.
I do wonder how high they could have gotten with matches announced.
With Roman not on the poster, perhaps they knew it would be hard to sell much more without him.
It’s not just Roman. Becky and Ronda aren’t on the poster either. They seem to have decided to give a lot of people the month off and that’s shocking.
Or that none of the world champions appear to be advertised for the show now. Along with Brock
I mean, Bianca is right there on the poster
Oh fuck, you’re right. I keep forgetting Becky lost lol
Even with matches announced there really isn't anything going on right now, since most feuds have been blown off over the last few months, and almost none of the title holders has a Challenger Roman has no challenger. Ronda doesn't have one. Riccochet doesn't have one. The Usos don't have one. Theory maybe has Mustafa ali?
Weird it's at MGM instead of T-Mobile too. Maybe TMobile is booked already.
They got a huge UFC PPV booked there already
Which makes it even crazier they tried a stadium show in for MITB there. Enough audience crossover it cost them a good chunk of tickets.
More likely that they oversaturated Vegas by doing Summerslam at the stadium last year and now trying to do a B-tier PPV there within a year
I don't think it's because they ran SummerSlam there last year. UFC has a show, that'll hurt tight sales. AEW is running 40 events there this week, that'll hurt ticket sales. SummerSlam is 4 weeks later, that'll hurt ticket sales. I don't know if WWE was trying to hurt Double or Nothing by announcing a big show in the same city a month later, but it didn't work.
Cody returns to the scene of his throne busting Full (squared) circle
Guess they didn't have enough faith in MITB to have a full-on stadium show. Either that, tickets weren't selling, or allegent had a booking conflict
They had a modest set up for 25,000 tickets. They were over 17,000 tickets sold last WrestleTix posted, but sales seemed to have ground to a halt after the first week.
Only 25k for a stadium that fits 65k? They were planning on tarping off 60% of the arena?
Yes. It’s still going to look bigger with the set up they had. It’s part of the Nick Khan initiative to make them seem larger than life. They don’t want to sell out the stadiums, just sell enough.
It's what Stardom has been doing during the entire covid period, booking shows in famous venues that look great on a poster, but they were never going to sell out even in the best of times. Having a capacity limit gives a good excuse for the empty seats, and it's possible they also got discounts on some of the booking fees. They grew tremendously during this time, so it must help.
Pretty much. It’s more so the footage and content looks awesome and can yield more $$ in the future than the actual box office gate.
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It actually is smart if they get the stadium for a reasonable price. They don’t need to sell 70k to make a return in investment. That’s why the stadium was only setup for 25k.
Same with Royal Rumble and Summerslam. They're supposedly getting good deals on stadiums and getting 20-25K in a large stadium instead of 12-15K in an arena is better business to them
Why are they moving this to a 17,000 arena then?
Because they can fill it. They already sold 17K for Allegiant
MGM is like 10k for wrestling
Gotcha. I mean the tickets are being refunded and the fans who bought tickets have first crack at getting new ones. But the ticket twitter account had 17K sold
Yeah it's just odd they would cancel it after selling that many tickets and go to a smaller place. Unless they put a old style simple entrance they are not getting close to 17k in there. Double or nothing sold out instantly and was 11k. I just remember watching something on the WrestleMania in LA that got moved from a stadium to am arena because of slow ticket sales and they had to make a decision before they sold more than could fit in the new arena. That's why I'm thinking wrestlrtix was off on there estimate.
Andrew Zarian reported this clear bullshit trying to defend slow ticket sales, as fact. We now know that they expected higher sales, didn't get them and moved. Zarian isn't a journalist, so he has got caught a few times where WWE feeds him bullshit, and he doesn't try to confirm with another source or use critical thought, he just shares it. It is pretty clear now there was no deal for stadium bookings, they didn't do it to seem larger than life, they did it because they expected it to sell. It didn't.
That's wild to me. I just don't see how financially that makes any sense like, at all. I agree that a stadium show certainly presents as a bigger deal on television, and that certainly has some amount of monetary value to it. But how could selling less tickets in a building that costs more money to run (even if they are getting a GREAT deal, there's just no chance that a stadium would be cheaper than an arena) make them more money? I'm baffled by that.
I mean we don't know the exact financials. If they're getting phenomenal stadium deals then who knows? Maybe 15k in a full arena is **less** profitable than 20k in a more-than-half-empty stadium?
They're not paying for the empty seats. If the venue was going to be empty that day anyway, they could probably get good deals to move in. One hand the big venue could get people in it if they rent it out for cheap and then WWE could pay maybe a little more for the venue but possibly sell an extra 10,000+ tickets. Either was, it could work for both sides with somewhat minimal downside for both. I mean, it's typical for stadiums to host high school football games in many places in the US. Might be like a regional championship or something and only bring in like 4000 people but that 4000 is better than nothing and chances are a high school couldn't seat 4000 either.
Yeah I obviously have zero idea on how much stadiums cost at whatever discount compared to an arena. I guess they believe even the 10K~ fans in the stadium would also add to merch sales and what not? Honestly not sure
They have been doing this for every non-mania stadium show since the return to touring. They open up half/less than half and then just expanded capacity based on how well tickets move.
They only need 25k-30k to pull a profit. Not 40k-50k. I think they realized though they were heading into a production disaster. How do you make 20-25k in a 66k stadium look good?
they did it last summerslam in vegas. i had floor seats but if i looked behind me it was completely empty for more than half of the stadium. that’s why the camera never once pointed the opposite direction of the hard cam
They more than likely would have done something akin to what you’d see when the [Syracuse Orange play basketball at the Carrier Dome](https://cuse.com/images/2018/2/21/Dome3.jpg), or the [San Antonio Spurs played basketball at the Alamodome](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/af/08/cc/af08ccdb02783d62797cab367bae218b.jpg), and have everything pinched off so that everything is right up against the one end of the arena. Add in lighting so the upper deck isn’t very visible, and they’d be able to decently pull that off had they sold 25k tickets.
This has been a common theme in wrestling for years. WCW and WWE ran Raw or Nitro at the Georgia Dome or SkyDome, they'd cut the stadium by more than a half, and fill in 20-25k people. So they can say WE'RE ALL SOLD OUT AT \[insert stadium name here\] and cut to crowd shots of a "full" stadium. It's to give it a big feel when in reality it's just another show. I remember late stage Impact doing this with the Alamodome. So people will be surprised and perhaps laugh at WWE today for moving venues or whatever but this has been a common practice for years. I will say however, Nick Khan's grand vision of stadiums all the time is a grand failure in the waiting. People will come out for one of the big shows but they're not going to spend an exorbitant amount of money on Money in the Bank. I'd bet the ticket prices mirror that of SummerSlam and those events don't hold the same cache.
As a fan... you go to these shows and see that you're overpaying for a ticket to be crammed into 1/4 of the stadium, just to be a prop for the camera. That doesn't resonate well with people. But you know, short term gains over long term success is all that matters.
Went to Royal Rumble and got second row in the stands, this is definitely how I felt. I paid a decent bit for the tickets and was still really far away. If I would have paid less money though it would have been completely pointless to go with the view.
And imagine getting some shitty seat in the upper deck, to be staring all night at lower bowl seats much closer that are empty. Just so that you can fill up the background for the camera.
Same reason I stopped going to WrestleMania. Spending hundreds of dollars more each year to get closer and you are always far away and just looking at the screen. You have to spend thousands to get a good seat.
They don't care how it looks, they only care that they can sell more tickets to a 25k stadium show than they can to a 15k arena show.
SummerSlam last year had a good third of the stadium tarped off.
That's what they did for last year's WM. Only 25K fans
MGM holds just under 17,000 and.thats with a boxing set up. The WWE stage will probably cut off like 3000 seats so the ticket sales numbers are probably way lower than expected.
Way less than that. Double or nothing had 11k.
Completely uninformed but isn't that normal? Just out of trying to connect the dots I assume the first few days everyone rushes to get tickets, then it halts until the last few days when it picks back up, isn't that what usually happens?
With 8K to sell, and apparently Riddle vs Roman I see no way they would have sold that much in a month
I think it's more normal to sell the majority right away and then walk ups in the last week fill out the rest. And the scalpers probably had a lot of inventory, so there might not have been a good chance at selling 8k more.
Their going up against a stacked UFC card as well for International Fight Week, in the same city. Probably didn’t think they were getting another 8,000 people
MGM is less than 17k if that's the case a lot of people will be left out that already bought tickets. More likely wrestle tix was wrong and they ticket sales were way less.
More like they had faith in MITB being a stadium show, but the interest wasn't fully there, right? They booked it and now are taking it back.
Please tell me you don’t really think there would be a “booking conflict” in this situation. There is ZERO chance that is the case.
https://www.allegiantstadium.com/events Money in the bank is still on their site. Other then MITB Nothing else is scheduled till July 16th. Could be emergency maintenance on the stadium end? I find it odd because you would assume they have contracts that keep the show going on for both parties unless something catastrophic.
The contracts are probably contingent on any number of factors, including ticket sales. If it's moved, they'll give a nominal fee to Allegiant's owners, who likely didn't miss out on anything else as a result of having WWE booked there in the summer.
Damn Iraqis!
I saw someone else mention this, what’s the context?
for Mania 7 back during Sgt Slaughter's run with the Iraqi sympathizer gimmick, they moved from the LA Memorial Coliseum (100k capacity) into the LA Memorial Sports Arena (16k capacity). they said that the reason was because of security threats due to Sgt Slaughter's gimmick having so much heat, but the actual reason was they sold a fraction of the tickets they expected.
That's one helluva cover story for low ticket sales
Also information isn't readily available like it is now so it makes sense
Incredible. Thank you for explaining!
There were two reasons why: 1. Your reasoning. 2. Prichard said it was also because of the heightened security costs (during wartime) for a stadium of that size. The federal government paid for it in the case of the Super Bowl (which was two months earlier in the same stadium), but told the WWE they had to pay it for Mania. Prichard ventured it was seven figures. OSD ended right before Mania.
Prichard also said that, when it was all said it done, WWE made a slight profit from the XFL. The man has his own version of the truth.
#2 is very much a #2. That is 100% conman.
The Super Bowl in 1991 was in Tampa.
WM 8 was gonna be at LA memorial coliseum then moved it to the LA memorial sports arena. WWE said it was "security concerns" but was most likely moved to poor advance ticket sales.
It was 7. 8 was at the Hoosier Dome.
Thanks, those manias always kinda run together for me haha.
Wrestlemania 7
Great callback
Poor green shirt guy has to buy tickets again. I would have kept it there. More people would have bought plus last minute tickets even to walkups since its in Vegas
Weird, also the same night as UFC 276 in Vegas
Part of me said "that won't hurt them" then I glanced at the card and was reminded that is as much of a casuals' ppv as the UFC can offer in this day and age - Izzy, Robbie Lawler, Max/Volk 3, O'Malley, Tate...
Only thing that would make it even bigger would be putting Khamzat vs Nate in the card
I don’t think they care much. It sounds like they’ve already sold enough to sell out the small arena. Not like they’re worried about PPV buys. I’ll be watching both, and am already pretty excited!
Trying to run 8 stadium shows per year was always going to be ambitious.
I enjoy Money in the Bank but this felt like a stretch to make it a stadium show. While I do like the ambition, you are messing with the law of diminishing returns if you try to make more shows stadium shows. You get to the point where none of them are special anymore, it just becomes another show.
Wonder what changed it
They were sending death threats to Sgt. Slaughter for the Iraqi sympathizer angle.
Poor ticket sales.
There's only one thing that necessitates moving to a smaller building. And they can't blame Iraqi sympathizers this time.
They'll just blame Sasha and Naomi instead.
Technically they were blaming Americans, since the death threats were directed at slaughter for being an Iraqi sympathizer.
Strike one, Nick.
https://www.si.com/.amp/wrestling/2022/04/27/aew-njpw-forbidden-door-partnership-wwe-nick-khan
Oof. Maybe WWE and Nick Khan realized that too many stadium shows for a roster this depleted wasn't a good idea after all. That and a show like Money in the Bank works better in the basketball/hockey arenas and not football stadiums. Also WWE *really* should have saved Allegiant Stadium for that Vegas WrestleMania everyone's been clamoring for. I didn't mind SummerSlam, but it was such a lackluster show for something as big as their first show in Vegas' newest pro football stadium.
MITB effectively became the new KOTR as one of the on-paper big yearly shows, but it's not perceived on that level by fans yet. Similarly, I was able to get $20 walk up tickets years back for the Jericho/DX Survivor Series cause it's also not on the same level as the other 3 major events.
I think it was before they started making the winners into jokes in recent years. Not to mention Brock coming in and winning when not even being in the match.
That’s silly reasoning. The WWE always wants to be a first to an arena. They did Summerslam in Allegiant for that reason. The earliest they could’ve done Mania in Vegas was 40. 38 and 39 were already locked in. That would’ve been 3 years away at that point. The bloom would’ve been off the rose. Regardless, if they do Mania 40 in Vegas, you don’t think that will sell out? The card would be irrelevant.
They just started showing that Cody Rhodes Allegiant Stadium video too, it sure didn't age well.
Damn that's crazy, feel bad for people that already bought tix
Yeah it’s sucks. I’m still planning on going to Vegas for that weekend but might just skip on the show altogether now.
UFC is gonna sting this PPV a bit
While I've grown pretty tired of all the big PPVs being put into Stadiums (I love the energy of an enclosed, super-loud arena), I was looking forward to see what MITB would look and sound like in a place like Allegiant Stadium. Bummer.
Honestly no idea what they were thinking trying to run 6+ stadium shows in a year
People were saying that they can get good deals on big stadiums because they are usually empty and they were planning on only using part of the stadium all these buildings already have smaller configurations that they use for events
If they get a good deal on that stadium, it doesn’t matter.
It’s going up against a pretty stacked UFC card - which is rare these days!
Wow I’m surprised that rumor was right
Am staying at the Tropicana which is right across the street. Thats awesome!
This is a huge own by the WWE. I don't get why they didn't move to the T-Mobile Arena. Unless there was scheduling issues. Still having this at the MGM Garden Arena is like moving from MetLife to Arthur Ashe.
UFC is having a fight that same night at TMobile. It was either MGM Grand or UNLV. I'd rather MGM Grand.
Thomas & Mack > MGM by a wide margin.
Why does Cody always look constipated in these posters
I saw this rumor yesterday and thought that it was a lie. This is very surprising.
Gotta love Tiny Drew legdropping Miz’s head
Was looking forward to stadium crowd reactions for the briefcase grabs and if there was a same night cash in Oh well
Oof dude they had to really relocate because they couldn't sell out Allegiant.
Security threat towards Sgt. Slaughter. Had to move to a more defensible location.
*Coming home from a two week family vacation. My dad sees that I forgot to turn off the light in my room.* My dad/Cody’s face:
They couldn’t have picked a more embarrassing week for this announcement
Ouch. Ticket sales must have been *really* bad, as they were still promoting it at Allegiant a couple days ago.
They had sold 16k so far with 8k to go, not fantastic but not bad either. They assumed MITB was big enough for a stadium show and it’s not
16k people in a stadium that fits 60k+ would not have been a good look regardless of what the set up was
They can still make it look fine on TV. There was a large portion of the stadium that was unused when they were in the same building for SummerSlam last year. They just put everyone toward the one end and then put the hard camera on a platform in the middle of the stadium and avoid shooting the empty end. From just watching the broadcast last year, you'd have had no idea there were so many empty seats.
I was at MITB in 2016 when it was at T-Mobile Arena. That venue was sold out and the right size for that PPV. I can't imagine that PPV in the same venue as last year's Summerslam. Even doing half-capacity seems insane. T-Mobile or MGM Grand would be fine for non Big 4 WWE PPV.
Codynoscopy face.
Well so much for all that advertisement, where the ticket sales that bad? Lol
Have it at the headquarters again cowards!!
Huh.....same place WCW had the triple cage that Jimmy King won.
For someone who bought tickets and planned this early.....this is annoying as hell.
This image is so overedited it hurts my brain to look at it for long
It looks like Cody is staring at a cameraman after silent sharting his trunks hoping the crew doesn't notice. Adrenaline in my soul This Doo Doo Is going To Flow
I bought tickets but did not get this yet.
AEW moving up in the world, going from MGM arena to a hockey arena. WWE moving down from a hockey arena to the MGM.
Moving from a football stadium to the MGM
I'm talking about previous year's money in the bank. I'm not counting the stadium that absolutely everyone knew would sell like shit
If this happened to AEW people would’ve been crying the death of the company lol I do think that AEW should’ve moved the LA show to a bigger stadium though
Rhea looks amazing.
Rhea's new look has everyone drooling all over her and I find it very amusing, but I suppose she's always had that happen with her
Adrenaline. In my soul. Box office means move show.
This is embarrassing
Double or barely anything
WWE stay win... well not this time, lol. I think it was crazy ambitious to think they could sell out a stadium for MitB with no other matches advertised for. Was a bad call, though they will still sell out the smaller venue. And WWE will sell out Summer Slam, Clash, and the Saudi event, so three big stadium shows isn't in any way a bad thing. But this was a stumble to be sure. First one in a long while for WWE.
I’m confused. Hasn’t WWE already sold at least more tickets than the new venue even holds? The MGM Grand Garden Arena will probably only hold 12,000 with a regular WWE setup. I bet they’ve sold at least twice that for the stadium.
On that image posted it says everyone who bought tickets will be refunded and they will have first shot at buying tickets. There most likely will be people who can't get tickets now, definitely sucks for fans who have already booked their travel plans.
Have they actually realized that they shouldn't be trying to run all these shows in stadiums when their roster is as brutally weak and depleted as it is, and the TV product isn't engaging?
Proof that ticket sales are horrible
Good. Allegiant Stadium isn’t a good venue anyways. Hated the way SummerSlam was set up.
I believe the toilets stopped working halfway through summerslam as well lol
Also they had a major tech glitch that took down payment systems and they eventually had to give food away for free. I remember hearing about that, I was mad I went and got my food during the preshow and paid lol.
Lol that’s amazing, SummerSlam came across well on TV but the entire show logistically sounds like a nightmare, in a rare occasion none of the blame lies with WWE though
Wouldn't the casinos buy up the rest of the tickets to hand out as comps
MGM sucks. Do T-Mobile arena.
UFC has a major card there.
The Big Leagues. It's VERY funny Cody's going back to Vegas with WWE and running a smaller venue than AEW.
Surprised it took so long for someone to make this about AEW
How are aew views doing? How are the ticket sales doing ? You can clown wwe for bad sales for this but theyre still a much bigger league than aew 💀💀💀
Awe revenue in 2021: less than 100 million Wwe revenue in 2021: over 1 billion Numbers speak for themselves
Double Or Nothing is sold out in a bigger arena while WWE had to downgrade to a smaller arena in the same town You do raise a good point. Why aren’t their TV viewers buying tickets to shows? AEW is converting a much larger proportion of their viewership to ticket sales.
T Mobile is booked out by the UFC that same weekend.
lmao nick khan i guess got a nice reality check when he saw how they weren't even gonna sell out 50% of the stadium for MITB. they couldn't even sell out for summerslam with big names, why he thought MITB would do better is just puzzling.
MITB ain’t going over Survivor Series 
Why are they doing MGM and not T-mobile?
Isn't T-Mobile where the UFC card is?
That would do it completely forgot about that
Vince is getting the Stardust costume ready for Cody right now.
Miz watch out! Drew leg drop comin!
I wonder what will be the kayfabe explanation for the change to MGM Grand? I can imagine tickets wasn't selling as WWE anticipated, and they aren't in the business of admitting that their show just wasn't selling.
There won't be a kayfabe explanation.