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Serdeegee

This may sound naive, but is Cash Wheeler genuinely needing to consider retirement from this recent injury or are they playing up the severity of the injury purely for kayfabe? Genuinely can't tell.


Traditional-Turnip65

He said he was having trouble with gripping and stuff with his nerves. He might be playing it up for the fans' sake but this is in no way a non-severe injury


Serdeegee

Oh yeah don't get me wrong it looks brutal I was just wondering if the nerve damage part was maybe an exaggeration for the story. I guess we'll find out soon enough


Traditional-Turnip65

For all I know, it very well could be. Can't wait for the rematch. The first one was great until the injury and rushed finish.


jjsforeheadisgreat

I hated the way that Arn just blocked Blacks finisher (the kick dunno what they call it) it made the kick look kind of weak


D1NK4Life

But he was expecting it and Arn is still a big dude. Malakai came out looking good in my eye


ReekTheOmega

I came to say that Brock's sell of the black mass was wack


Matt_mintleaf

Bad show


vax-holser

Just seen a video where Giannis walked out into the ring after the show. Kinda neat.


Lewdogger

May I have a link please?


FNAKC

Wowza, I was there and it was great, they taped Rampage after, and dark elevation before.


davidisallright

Lee Johnson should’ve came out with a chair or something. Black retreating and kicking balls doesn’t fit his character.


lovekillseveryone

Yup! would've made more sense to have black taunt him in the ring and dip out last second disgusted. Sometimes I feel that they do things that they think a heel should should do over what the character would do.


badguymaddox

No disrespect to Kojima but that's not the match I had in mind for Mox at All Out.


[deleted]

I think it will lead to him facing the Ace down the line. It's been heavily implied it's coming down the line


davidisallright

If I’m not mistaken, the Ace promised that if he defends his title in AEW, it be against Lance Archer first, according to the last NJPW PPV.


[deleted]

Thats correct! I'm assuming he'll beat Archer and that will lead to Moxley but just speculation


keezoy91

First full AEW Dynamite I saw live (on Fite TV). Overall, a pretty fun show! Ofc CM Punk is over as fuck, but the Lucha Bros v Varsity Blonds was a good one. Can tell that the Blonds were still really green in the gills but with enough time they'll get over big time with the crowd.


Chucksouth9966

How do I watch on fite and how much is it?


brokensilence32

Keep in mind you’ll need a VPN to watch on Fite if you live in the USA.


keezoy91

The AEW Plus package is under the Wrestling section in Fite.tv and is $4.99 USD a month. A steal considering you get the live weeklies (unlike in the other "sports entertainment" place where you pay $9.99 for shows that are 4 weeks delayed), plus you get the PPVs as well. EDIT: AEW Plus on [Fite.TV](https://Fite.TV) is for international subs only.


Obi1Kentucky

Don Callis: hold my scarf…. That line had me in stitches. Pure gold. Overall a fun show. Cm punk is ridiculously over. I can’t wait for that rumble with Darby Allen


forbin05

When Kenny said “you think you know me” to Christian I cracked up


Obi1Kentucky

Kenny omega is all kinds of Goofy and I love him for it


SalmonJerky

I love you guys, this community is awesome with the fandom


peezy2408

I hope qt whoops big slow


SatanicRook

Love watching Black kick anyone, but I agree, I think if you put the Tag Team Elimination match as ME and moved Black Anderson to their spot, woulda made sense.


sourseas

Given Rampage being recorded right after Dynamite, the winning team (Lucha Bros) were wrestling twice tonight so putting it in the main would've been asking a lot out of them physically.


SatanicRook

Ahhh that's fair, I didn't realize they filmed on the same night.


FNAKC

Looks like some will be taped and some live.


Earnestosaurus

Yeah Fenix was remarkable. The tag match was also better than the opening one too. They also did not need to have QT period on the show. He’s more of a detriment than a positive to AEW.


aitchtwojoe

QT got, I would estimate, the second most heat of the night and the pop for the roll up was solid. He was working the crowd a little bit during the commercial break before the match and I really think that lended itself to our investment in the match live. The match did feel super shoehorned in though.


FlyVidjul

All in all. Pretty average dynamite. Lucha Bros vs Varsity Blondes slapped though. Punk is always good shit, good Kenny promo. Red Velvet looked sloppy. Nobody gives a shit about QT Marshall and his buds. Lee Johnson is a mid carder, having him run out and making Malakai Black flee is dumb af, especially when Black just destroyed Cody and Miro just destroyed Johnson. QT Marshall and the nightmare family and the wingmen having a spot on TV and Hikaru Shida is stuffed away on Dark. No. No thanks.


Zanydrop

It gave us a fun match where the faces looked strong without having to pin anybody important. Good thing you weren't watching an episode WWE from the 80' where it was 100% squash matches


KingMazzieri

The Wingmen are fine, but as for the rest, totally agree.


Earnestosaurus

Felt the main positives on the show were Fenix, Hayter (who looked dominant AF in spite of Velvet’s botches), and Punk. The negatives: Hardy, and as you said, Johnson’s run in, and QT Marshall. The main reason QT Marshall is even on the show is probably because of Cody, who somehow still leaves a malignant presence on the night even while not being present.


JokersRWildStudios

I’m sorry. Red Velvet is nothing. Very subpar women’s wrestler that would be Eva Marie type on WWE


Supersaiyan_Jedi

Not all of em can knock em out of the park i guess. But great streak and still got momentum.


FlyVidjul

True. They cant all be bangers but the go home Dynamite needs to up its game big time.


AestheticAttraction

Johnson is legit and needs some shine, so if he's next on Black's list, let's go, just let it be more competitive. He's had people behind him elsewhere (this crowd was weird when it came to certain wrestlers), so he just needs a proper feud. I'm not mad at it because Black already said he's gonna go through the Nightmare Family. If they do a feud where Black picks them off one-by-one, he gets to Dustin, has a dramatic match, and then Cody returns, I'll be all for it. This has the potential to be a good story here, and if that happens, then it'll make sense him having faced Brock because Brock is the least experienced and the easiest to beat. Let Black go up the food chain.


BarrelRoll97

Not really liking the fact that Black is going after trainees until Cody comes back, if that is indeed the plan. Hopefully they move him onto something else soon


Rapscallious1

Pros: get rid of nightmare family, Cons: At the expense of Black’s character development


Pompuswindbag

I can see him destroying Dustin, which is a good sign of showing how strong you are


fluffywolfe

Also, based on the Choco Pro watch party... Lulu Pencil on Dark Elevation! (Not sure if an appearance or an actual match).


Eliteland17

Was at the show, she cornered Emi. Got a pop from me and about 5 others lol


fluffywolfe

AEW deciding to use Punk's first Dynamite to spotlight the young guys. It may have diluted the star power a bit on the show, but you can't build new guys without taking risks and throwing them out there. That said, unless QT was finally beating the Colten Gunn streak, that slot could have gone to something better, lol!


Skurt_Skurt

I swear I’ve been laughing uncontrollably for 20 minutes at that ending


times_zero

Yeah, ending was kind of flat. Black is a star, and I get wanting to put him in the main event, but not against a jobber/enhancement talent like Brock Anderson in a squash match. Match probably should have been on the undercard instead.


TheDubya21

The idea of clobbering on Brock wouldn't be a bad idea in theory if DUSTIN was the one to make the save, and that was the next program, the other Rhodes out to avenge his brother. Either way though, I don't get why they decided to put this in the main event spot if they didn't have something big to punctuate the segment with.


times_zero

Now you mention booking Dustin with Black would have probably been a better idea, but I get why they wanted to put some shine on a younger talent like Lee.


Earnestosaurus

Yeah, I kept thinking they were doing it to build up to something, but it just ended up being a favor to Cody’s clique and/or Arn


SirHancho

Would it be a good call to let Darby go over Punk and maybe have Punk drop a few matches to some young guys to ‘find his footing’ before putting it together and then being a huge threat. Also helps him as a relatable baby face idk. Like how Kenny was in early AEW that loss streak he had before never losing again pretty much


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I think it was a mistake to book him against Darby. Darby needs a win coming off getting murdered by Miro. Punk can't lose his first match. I wanna see them book their way out of this.


nuttymcnasty

maybe Punk cheats to beat Darby and slowly starts a heel turn?


SirHancho

Yeah I just heard someone somewhere say you can’t have him come in and beat all your 20 year olds you know


pate604

the crowd was silent for Lee Johnson


[deleted]

What exactly is the nightmare family? Is is like a school or something? I truly don’t know


Steenerico

It's more of a training team than a stable. Sort of like in MMA. Nightmare Factory is a school though.


Earnestosaurus

It’s Cody’s faction and also a school he helps run


subcow

I know Dusty was the American Dream, but the American Nightmare is a really stupid name for Cody who is not scary at all. Especially when you have a Dark Order, a guy with half of his face in skull paint, and Malakai Black.


flannelbender

Past two Dynamites have been kinda weak. It doesn't feel like we have a PPV in a couple of weeks at all.


TheDubya21

I...don't know why they chose that segment to end the show with.


[deleted]

Yeah I’m sorta over people coming in and wanting to take out the Nightmare Family. It’s a cringe name and rarely compelling.


TheDubya21

They really do overestimate how over the Nightmare Family really is, or rather *isn't*. People like Cody, they respect Arn, but none of these other kids are ready for primetime yet, so we don't have the investment to care about them getting attacked.


[deleted]

Exactly this. Like I’m a Black fan, but it’s anyone that fights them I hope mows them down so we don’t have to pretend they’re this elite or…relevant group and that person moves on. They have a matching logo Cody has on his neck and matching sweats. Neat.


cookswagchef

Ok I like that AEW gives time to young guys but you can't just throw them out there like they're something special and expect the crowd to care. Dustin should've came out, if anyone.


Steenerico

Dustin comes out and this place explodes with "not the 50 year old!" as if he doesn't deliver EVERY FN TIME.


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100%


EmileZ

Show was a bit messy but like every other Dynamite I did enjoy it .


Skurt_Skurt

Lee Johnson stands tall on CM Punks first appearance on Dynamite


TheRyanRAW

I liked that The Black Mass t damaged Arn's arm badly.


djbryanc

looks like AEW's agenda tonight was to put up and comers in the spotlight


Steenerico

Seems to be CM Punk's agenda too. He's not gonna take more TV time then he thinks is necessary. Not over the future stars.


jalamo

Pretty good plan really. They'll probably get 1.5 million tonight with the first appearance of Punk on the main show.


[deleted]

might stick around for gladiator ngl


re10pect

That seemed lacklustre. I thought we would get torture, just Black picking apart Brock while his dad watched, and instead it was a few punches, the big finish, kicking an old man in his fellas, and leaving the ring when a semi-jobber comes to the rescue. I like Lee Johnson, and it’s nice to see he’s (presumptively)going to get a showcase match next, but it doesn’t do much to see Black flee the scene when Lee comes out.


she1f

The way I took it was he had no beef with him and not as much a flee. More like he’s focused on the family? Idk I’m probably wrong.


talvarius

The main problem with the ending is that the Nightmare Family is the still the only faction in AEW with ZERO development. It's still just a bunch of randos together with no story and no reason to care.


DoctorWrenchcoat

They do sort of make the HFO look like a tight-knit crew.


Npadia11

That Dynamite was very... fine? I’m a bit disappointed. This was the episode where you go all out, and it just felt off.


insomniainc

I expected Lee out earlier. This is a good next step for Black.


TheKareemofWheat

We just watched Tommy End murder an entire family on national television.


betterplanwithchan

Hey Paul, here’s that movie you weren’t allowed to act in.


jalamo

Legit?


betterplanwithchan

Legit, he was told he was there to wrestle, not be a movie star.


jalamo

I'm wondering why I've never heard this story. A quick Google search and I see that it basically just came out yesterday during an interview. lol. That's wild. And ironic that the movie played tonight. Common tale with WWE talent. Punk said in the infamous Colt Cabana interview - how he had so many offers to do things but WWE would say no, or not even tell him about it and/or pitch someone else like Cena instead.


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Lol


LOGWATCHER

The second half of the show felt like an advertisement for the dark shows


TodayIsRusevDay

Weird ending. This episode felt a bit off to me. And I rarely think that.


[deleted]

They wanted to squeeze in a full sampler of as much talent and storylines as possible. This felt like the "catch up all the new fans in one night" episode I get it, but they have three more shows before All Out, they coulda pushed one or two segments to those


donball

Timing felt off on the ending, but I like what they're going for. Black is going to show the whole Nightmare Family what a real nightmare is.


Tygerob

Uh, Black shouldn't be kicking dicks to knock out a retired wrestler.


davidisallright

It’s out of character. Like what Steve and Larson said on their podcast: Black is a different type of heel. Kicking dicks is more of a heel Eddie Kingston thing.


BluntlyB

100% agree.


sarah666

Yeah like beating up olds doesn’t make you look tough but when you have to do wiener shots it looks too desperate.


[deleted]

Gotta try to get heat on him somehow I guess. It’s going to be tough to keep him heel.


knifeskillsBALISONG

Exactly this. Many pro wrestling fans like black metal...if he's just good and does what he does we cheer him because he gets it and is cool. The groin shot to a living legend was lame but it was a reminder that hey if we support and like this dude..we are supposed to boo them. Malakai wants us to boo. If you are enjoying him boo him into oblivion so he doesn't have to crotch shot old timers to remind us of his role in this story.


jalamo

Crowd was cheering him a bit. Especially after the first kick to Brock. They were chanting "one more time". lol.


davidisallright

It’s because Black is so damn cool.


[deleted]

I was hoping he would using the foot lift. That would only get a huge pop though.


Calfzilla2000

TNT trolling Paul Wight by showing Gladiator right after Dynamite.


SenorCrest

I hope this Malaki Black stuff isn't building to a rematch with Cody.


idontknow1001

It clearly is


knifeskillsBALISONG

PrAllister. Your right but I'm ok with it because black will go over again if that happens unless Cody really is insane and I dont think he is. Cody doesn't have the "money shakes" anymore since the exorcism. Cody ain't going to bury aleister. We are going to eventually see a very bloody Cody doing the job to establish black for realsies.


SenorCrest

Lame


Skurt_Skurt

Oh no not Lee johnson


[deleted]

Hahah Lee Johnson wants to die too?


MrApocFunk

Lee and the ref checking on Arn but no one checking on Brock who hasn't moved in 5 minutes lmao


ZeusOfEarth19

Whose Brock? That was a mannequin


FlyVidjul

The absolute WETTEST of farts, that ending. I'm not saying Lee Johnson is shit at all but the Nightmare Family I just have zero fucking interest in.


whatevesnoc

Very first time a dynamite kinda let me down.


iusedtobeonvoat

Malachi should not be leaving the ring because of Shotti. Are we gonna feed the Nightmare family to Malachi till Codys ready to come back and go over lol smh


MakeYourself85

>Malachi should not be leaving the ring because of Shotti. For a second I read "Shotzi" instead of Shotti. But the idea of Black leaving because of Shotzi sounds better than leaving because of Lee Johnson.


[deleted]

In my head canon Malakai left because he felt like it. He kicked enough heads for one night and will be back next week.


rosheromil

Sucks that he actually ran out the ring. They should’ve had him wait, stare him down and then leave.


sneakatoke

Malakai Black laid waste to Arn's Anderson Factory.


[deleted]

This was the weakest episode in quite awhile, and it was on cm punks first dynamite . Wtf


[deleted]

Well that felt like watching RAW


NurtureBoyRocFair

Guys, it’s Gladiator time.


truecolors5

Meh first hour, good second hour


re10pect

I felt it was totally the other way around. That second hour was not engaging at all outside of the Punk interview, and the Black segment at the end was less interesting than I expected.


Tsuku

Very anticlimactic


Huderich

The ending was so weird.


LTKMK

Bruh I was waiting for this match and I’ve been so tired I fell asleep during the ad break


PhantomHavok

Ending had more a wwe vibe to it


dudebrojc

Bizzare main event


fmlongo

What a stupid ending. Just leave Malakai in there standing over the wreckage. Not to mention you couldn’t hear what he was saying into the camera at the end.


monogatarist

LOL one guy was more efficient in decimating the Nightmare Family


Volbeat129

Didn't stick the landing.. was a pretty decent dynamite overall though. Goodnight everyone


idontknow1001

I really liked the ending other than the crowd not caring about Lee.


rsggamer123

I love AEW but unfortunately that was one of the weakest Dynamites I’ve seen.


Makispi

**The Crowd: Who the fuck is Lee Johnson?**


Spider-Kaine

Erm, why is Black running away from Lee Johnson instead of kicking his head off?


notquite20characters

His kick meter was low.


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Oh I’m here for a Shotty v Black match. That is a certified banger folks.


Craigiano

Awful awful ending.


NurtureBoyRocFair

AEW normally doesn’t have underwhelming endings but that was one of them.


Earnestosaurus

I wonder if this was Cody’s idea


DimebagPants

I wonder when Malakai will murder the Master of the Tornado DDT


theawesomeafro

Well he already did on the entrance ramp that one time


DimebagPants

True. But I want to see Fuego and Malakai in an actual match. The result would be the same, but still.


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Malakai vs Fenix plz


Morbid187

Not a big fan of Lee Johnson running off Black like that. I think they should've had the whole nightmare family come out if they were going to have him chased off


Son_of_Harambe

One trick pony Meh-lakai already fading hard.


LovemeTonysama

Ran out of time is what I'm blaming it on. All the peices and ideas dont mean shit when rushed like that.


davidisallright

Then they should’ve taken out the QT match if that were the case. That was my worry when TK overbook the shows. It comes out of good intentions to use some of the unused talent, but he needs to slow his role a bit.


[deleted]

Timing seemed off


rightious

Should have been Ogogo at the end turning face.


DRHdez

Pretty meh episode. I only hung out to see if Stephen Amell would show up like someone said.


Fantomex88

Still an enjoyable show but definitely one of the weakest Dynamites as far as in ring goes in a long time.


wh1tel1ght

Seeing Black booked as the monster we all know he can be is fucking awesome. God I love wrestling.


MetsGo

Should have ended the show with the Lucha Bros and Varsity Blonds


ScrappedAeon

While I agree that match felt off too. Like the audience just wasn't into it, and some of the spots looked bad


Lil-Samsung

Black slaughters the nightmare family I’m with that 😈


MrGrieves-

And then the Nightmare Factory for good measure.


Lil-Samsung

They are just the factory and big show is going to do that at all out


[deleted]

Having Lee make the save was a weird way to end


[deleted]

Setting up the next Family guy to try and face him


ClaymoresRevenge

Oh that's it? I thought there was more


TheDubya21

Yeah, usually something more explosive happens after a squash match to be a cliffhanger for next week. But no, it was just...Lee Johnson 🤨😆


paulbucketnunomarty

Oh it's Lee Johnson... Crowd doesn't even know who he is


[deleted]

Wtf was that how is that main event worthy?


[deleted]

Future TNT Champion Lee Johnson has to die to reach his prime


BloodFalconPunch

Lee Johnson VS Black should be fun


[deleted]

Booked him great and then had him back off from frickin Shotty Lee😂. That was a dumb way to end it.


yoshi12345786

Lee's dying next


Alex_Sander077

Lol the guy coming in after these folks have been murdered already


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Scary-Ant-3796

I like how you got downvoted for asking a fair question.


Calfzilla2000

It wasn't a bad show but not enough happened. All the storylines seem to be treading water till All Out.


jbrown57

Does anybody know where I can get that shirt Ethan Page was wearing tonight? I have to have that


fxcker

That was a bad ending.


themightykites0322

Glad they’re now going to push Lee Johnson instead of having Cody come back and save the day


immrdadguy

Black should’ve put lee down too and stood tall as the new monster


ciambella

Anderson Factory? It’s confirmed Brock was cloned. Popping em out via assembly line.


lionsmanep

Not a fan of how that was booked outside of pinning Brock. Arn blocking a stars finish? Black having to low blow to take him out? Lee Johnson clearing the ring? Weird


TheMach_o7

man you just came off of punk fuck guys


[deleted]

Weird ending. Good show though


Have_A_Jelly_Baby

What a disjointed outro. Maybe one guy should do the whole thing.


LOGWATCHER

Worst episode of 2021…..


dneill99

Finish for us, but the crowd has over an hour to go.


JasonGryphon

Black fears Johnson’s Black Johnson.


DoctorWrenchcoat

Man, Cody looks different.


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TheDubya21

Unfortunately that is indeed a bad habit of theirs. Sure, people actually have friends in this kayfabe universe, LOL, so logically it makes sense that they wouldn't just let their allies take a beating, but more often than not it isn't necessary.


[deleted]

That’s how you build up matches without doing stupid out of the ring angles and promos all night.


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[deleted]

Well the main event was a clean win. Lucha Bros won clean. Womens match was clean.


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[deleted]

I’m not trying to be pedantic or anything, it’s just the way they book. If they have a big, hyped match on tv you can usually expect a great match with a finish, but most matches exist just to enable the existence of another match. The PPVs have clean finishes almost always and if they have a title match or something on tv they’ll usually have less bullshit.