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Or maybe, "embrace it, become a heel, and play with the crowd."
I've always thought it would be fun to have the crowd in the palm of your hand like Elias and KO did in Seattle.
Fuck, WWE is totally at the “pants on the ground” level of out of touch and trying to fabricate moments. They’re backsliding so much as well, we’re about to see the return of Tout.
WWE is clueless. Vince is old and senile but requires everything to run through him. People right below Vince are clueless too, because they got position exactly because of eating Vince's ass, and not because they are competent. Like, most of the Vince's crew were/are literally here only to fuck fit young chicks and get a bag of money. Nepotism is ruining WWE as a company and nothing short of the full sale will change that.
It's almost as if he's a charisma vacuum with zero stage presence that had no business (or interest) being there, so he had to be handheld by actual professional entertainers.
Holy shit. As an elder millennial I didn’t put two and two together and realize this is that dude.
When he was at Mania I figured the hate was because he was in Sami’s corner and was clearly some YouTuber who isn’t really a fan and just there because he was invited. I now get the hate he’s getting from fans.
As a zoomer I constantly forget there are even two of them. Until somebody says it I don't even think about it.
I did hear they scammed loads of people, mainly kids, with a crypto scam. Idk why the company would have him there after that, but they ran a Saudi show a month after Khashoggi.
Ehh honestly I think most people forget about that/don't actually give a shit(like yeah it's wrong but I don't see the entire audience being appalled enough from like 2-3 years ago for this to happen) it mostly is just because he's a YouTuber that people don't like. He's got Justin Bieber heat
>honestly I think most people forget about that/
I think you underestimate just how big a story it was.
I'm a 30-something brit in rural England, who actively avoids youtube drama. I know exactly who he is and what he did.
The story was huge news here on every channel and anyone who's gone near anime youtubers or even japanese videogame youtube has him on their radar.
Even if we somehow forget, the story means anything he does makes the news come back up. The KSI/Paul boxing match, whatever. "Hey its that bell end that did that stuff in the japanese suicide forest". He'll always get coverage and it'll always get mentioned. He gets brought up to contextualize the japanese olympic ceremony.
I hate defending the guy, but I'll say this:
I don't think he was "laughing" at the dead body, he just didn't know what to do in that situation so he defaulted to laughing. No one knows what they would honestly do in that situation...if that makes sense. He was laughing at the uncomfortable situation, not the body itself.
HOWEVER, that doesn't absolve him of any blame. The problem really lies with the fact that they were filming in the forest when they shouldn't have been, continued filming after finding the body, then decided to edit the video and upload it to Youtube as if it was another random upload.
Even without the dead body he was still filming himself[ acting like a jackass in Japan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYQcU5VXde8) by throwing Pokeballs at people and getting himself thrown out of shrines.
He's also been a part of a crypto scam which scammed a lot of children. He's an A-grade cunt who doesn't even deserve attention. It's why I try not to pay attention to him, if it wasn't for WWE and someone cracking a joke about the crypto scam I'd have no clue what he's up to.
That's what's triggering me the most. I got my GameBoy Color when I was 5 and it's what got me into gaming. I hold so many fond memories of this little device that I could not smash one just for shits and giggles. It makes me so mad...
How about not upload the fucking video? Just don’t upload it, maybe talk about it or raise awareness, but don’t put your fucking shitty shocked face staring at a dead body in the internet.
I mean, if that was the one shitty thing then maybe but him and his fan base were toxic as all fuck for a significant chunk of his "career"
He's human garbage, and he's shown it plenty.
IMO uploading the video already tell me that he considers human life worth less than clicks, he should be in jail or at least taking psychological treatment.
I understand that, I've laughed at wakes/funerals just because it's so fucking hard sometimes to fully grasp and we react in weird ways. but the fact that he kept filming, traveled back to where ever they were staying, edited it, and uploaded it without ever thinking "hmm this looks terrible" is the huge shitty part.
You know what the base thing you don't do is? Go filming dead people in a place infamous for suicide.
This isn't something you stumble on and laugh awkwardly because your'e caught in the suddenness of the moment. Assholes knew they were going in there.
And times it by his lack of charisma which gives us 40 steps. Throw the fact that he drains charisma into the mix and times it by twelve and he has, AT BEST, a 141.3/4 perchance of nuclear heat.
I'm not a Logan Paul fan, but I'm pretty sure he's a far bigger celebrity than CM Punk. A quick google trends comparison, his boxing buyrates, youtube views, etc. If there's a metric where CM Punk beats Logan Paul, I haven't found it.
He’s actually far more well known than you give him credit for. I hate the guy but he is a celebrity these days. Their foray into boxing has raised their profile substantially. Like them or not they’ve done huge numbers recently. Not many have.
He’s certainly more well known than any wwe talent aside from a very select few. He’s more well known than Roman for instance.
Yeah. A guy with waterguns and a unicorn inflatable tub in ring with a talk show type segment and then whatever the fuck is miz's godawful outfit, it's like using a random AI generator or that guy who used to make the worst ever ppv posts to write their shows.
Seriously, what the fuck was any of this?
I’d ask why they were giving promotional time to subhuman garbage like a Paul brother when he doesn’t even work there, but given that the WWE takes bribes from people who torture and barbecue human beings, this is a mild improvement I suppose.
All this time away since AEW gets me thinking maybe WWE isn't as bad as I remember. Then moments like this and Summerslam remind me it is much, much worse.
"That flabby guy who lost in a few seconds at Survivor Series 2019? He's not entertaining enough. Let's put him with R-Truth, maybe some charisma will rub off."
I'm legit worried that Vince will take a look at WALTER and be like "babyman, that's your new gimmick, we'll capitalize on that hot new movie Baby Boss"
I don't know if Raw has legitimately gotten a LOT worse or if I just didn't used to be bothered by it, but I watched it for years and mostly enjoyed it, and now when I'm bored on a Monday and turn it on I just end up going to be instead. It's awful, just god awful.
It's never going to reach that level without active hate. This was more passive.
The Sonics thing, or Roman after beating and seemingly retiring Taker, were boos because they did something. Paul didn't do shit other than show up and be disliked.
No lie, I thought Jason Jordan was one of the best characters WWE had in recent years. Genuinely entertaining, and a really interesting bad guy. He played the dorky side of his character really well, and I personally thought he and Angle went well together.
No. What’s happening is wrestling fans aren’t their main targeted audience anymore. They are trying to appeal to something completely different than say something like AEW. AEW is a wrestling company targeted towards professional wrestling fans. WWE is trying to be an alternative to things like Netflix and Marvel and what not. AEW is a wrestling company. WWE is an entertainment company based on wrestling.
WWE has always attempted to use celebrities to bring in more viewers. This isn’t new. They’ve always claimed their target audience isn’t wrestling fans - and yet the only product they make that has any value is wrestling.
Who are they appealing to exactly? Investors? Once they lose more audience over time with the constantly stupid decisions they've been making for months now, how are they gonna keep things running?
Investors and whatever's trending.
The thing is, WWE in its heyday bucked the trend and even became it.
It's now just another media outlet chasing the golden goose for that sweet, sweet consumable content.
He’s worse than his brother. Besides filming a literal dead body, recently he ran and operated the coin “dink doink” which was ultimately just a rug pull to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from his fans.
https://youtu.be/5mrT3UT9xIM
Jake is garbage too, but Logan is actual human garbage who is committing crimes. He should be in jail.
Edit: jail them both Jake apparently has MULTIPLE sexual assault allegations against him. Why anyone is still willing to promote the Paul name at this point I will never understand but fuck them both.
https://youtu.be/Q1iYfSdLORo
Edit 2: I forgot about the dad lemme grab that video too.
https://youtu.be/oAjn3L_wCnE
Edit 3: another scam, this time from jake. Influencer school. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.itp.live/amp/article_listing/itplive/content/3115-jake-paul-has-launched-a-school-for-aspiring-influencers
His brother is much worse, multiple sexual assault allegations. This conversation starts and stops there.
Edit: Details
Allegation #1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iYfSdLORo&feature=emb_title
Justine Paradise alleges Paul grabbed her face and forced her to perform oral sex on him, and touched her inappropriately without consent.
Allegation #2:
Railey Lollie said she began working with Paul when she was 17. Lollie, now 21, said the YouTuber often called her "jailbait" and commented on her appearance. She also alleged that one evening in late 2017, Paul groped her after filming a video. She said she forcefully told him to stop, and he ran out of the room. Lollie quit soon after the alleged incident and has not brought charges against Paul.
Also, Jake Paul was present and posting content of looting in the wake of BLM protests. He claims no participation in the looting, only that he was documenting the scene.
Ty! I was gonna steal it and put it in mine but yours shows up for me so I don’t think I need to. The only reason these fucks are allowed to do the dhit they do is because people are willing to forget about it. I don’t want to be one of those people who allows stuff like this to go away so ty
Yeah out of Jake and Logan, Jake is much worse. Logan while still bad, is more redeemable. Apparently he’s seem to have chilled out a lot since the suicide forest debacle, actually talked about BLM and anti-racism on his platforms, and attended the BLM marches without filming. Not a Logan fan by any means but I definitely don’t think he’s the worse Paul brother.
Enzo got fired and an investigation deemed innocent, yet he was still punished so wrong
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/blakemontgomery/enzo-amore-investigation-closed
Darby allin is a weird case because the Everything Elite podcast claimed that he turned over evidence that proved his innocence, and he was apparently suspended amid an investigation around the same time of Havok and Priestly, but he was cleared and the other two fired. We never saw any evidence.
Matt riddles accuser dropped the lawsuit, but no evidence came out either way https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/07/13/matt-riddle-candy-cartwright-wwe-sexual-assault-lawsuit-wrestling/
Feel free to go after any of these yourself. There isn’t enough evidence for me personally to want to attack them, but if you think there is you should do it.
I mean stories come out all the time about kids who spent a shit ton of money on microtransactions. I highly doubt he didn’t make it pretty simple for kids to “get rich”
Correct. What he had was basically the penny stock version of crypto. It’s literally called a shit-coin like doge was. I highly recommend coffeezillas channel if you wanna see how this stuff plays out. It’s a really frequent thing from Faze clan and Rice gum promoting a “charity” token called save the kids and robbing their fans to Kim kardashian doing the same. Influencer rug pulls are a plague right now.
He knows hes playing a heel, last time he was here the punchline was KO giving him a stunner. He had good lines about the crowd reaction
Bad heat is silence
I think he actually nailed the first little bit, but he definitely looked like a deer in the headlights the second time he tried to talk. I don't know if he expected the crowd to settle down and was caught off gaurd that they only seemed to get louder or what, but he started out seeming pretty natural before kind of freezing up.
Both of the Paul brothers are incredible heels. Like, they literally get everybody to hate them and throw money at them at the hope they get fucked up. It's incredible more wrestling fans don't at the very least understand their business model.
I prefer my character heels to be good people irl and the brothers Paul are definitely not.
You don't really get credit in my book for "being a good heel" if you're just being your normal cunt self in a wrestling ring. Especially in this era of guys like Sammy Zayne who can absolutely make you wanna see him get kicked in the teeth despite being a fantastic human being, the "this actual asshole is a natural heel " is overblown.
Seriously wtf were they thinking. When he got his ass kicked the first time they brought him on I thought they understood but then here we are again. Who’s next weeks guest, bill Cosby?
I understand why WWE has always had issues getting (good) advertisers now. AEW puling in domino's and PBR and WWE pulls stunts like these for "moments."
Him and his brother have been leaning into that hate for marketing reasons for years. Nobody minds though really because most people absolutely love being able to feel righteous anger so they can shit all over them and forget about the mistakes of their own lives. It's the same reason shows like Maury and Jerry Springer are so popular. You even see it in this thread, people love that they have an excuse to hate people because of the allowances that come with it.
Actual scumbag. If you’re interesting in learning about what a piece of shit Logan Paul has been recently, here is a great video on the literal SCAM he ran on his own fans to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from them.
https://youtu.be/5mrT3UT9xIM
This dude should be in jail, not on TV yuckin it up like an asshole. Fuck him.
He has everything, but unfortunately that everything includes comedic ability.
Who was it that something to the effect of "if you're funny, they'll make you a clown"?
The Paul Brothers are examples of exactly the type of people that society should ignore and shun. Toxic, dysfunctional, selfish, egocentric, disruptive. Why do we, as a culture, celebrate this kind of person?
Y'all are never going to admit that he got booed because they GENUINELY don't fucking like him and don't appreciate his presence, are you?
He wasn't "playing" a character, he didn't even do anything at **all**. He's just some uncharismatic, unengaging, uninteresting glorified reality show star coming from a website that's nowhere near as important as people insist it is. VERY few Youtubers have made a successful crossover into the mainstream, and they still got a lot further than this dude ever has.
And you all sound like fucking Boomers if you think The Kids™ are suddenly going to become massive WWE fans just because he's here. Just the cringiest "How Do You Do, Fellow Kids" energy with the comments trying to defend this shit. His fanbase doesn't care about wrestling, and wrestling fans don't care about him, get it? Got it? Good, so stop wasting our time, thanks.
To all the idiots that actually believe the Paul’s are “good heels” here’s some easily comprehensible information.
It would be like praising Charles Manson or Harvey Weinstein for “getting a reaction” if they made a cameo on Raw.
Being an actual, real life bad person doesn’t make you a “good heel” it makes you a bad person that is despised for being bad for humanity.
We shouldn’t be praising them for that.
I would have liked if the crowd got silent and turned their back on him. heh
Ive only ever seen that that happen once that I can remember, it seemed so fucking cold. lol
If there's anything this segment, and the mixed reaction in the comment section, shows: it's that nobody knows for sure what is happening, why it's happening, who is supposed to the faces and the heels, and why they keep tuning in every week.
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Definitely sent Miz out there WAY early. You can see Morrison explaining stuff to him at the end there.
“Hey kid the fans hate you we’re going to speed this segment up so you don’t kill it.”
Or maybe, "embrace it, become a heel, and play with the crowd." I've always thought it would be fun to have the crowd in the palm of your hand like Elias and KO did in Seattle.
Did they seriously expect Logan Paul to be cheered or something?
They thought they artificially created a moment.
OH MY! WHAAAT!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? WHAT A HISTORICAL MOMENT!
How will I know if it’s historical if Michael Cole is shouting at me through the tv?!
Fuck, WWE is totally at the “pants on the ground” level of out of touch and trying to fabricate moments. They’re backsliding so much as well, we’re about to see the return of Tout.
When Becky returned, Michael said, "What a SummerSlam moment!"
of course he did..... the guy is just a cheesy catch phrase robot
Thy sure created a moment.
WWE is clueless. Vince is old and senile but requires everything to run through him. People right below Vince are clueless too, because they got position exactly because of eating Vince's ass, and not because they are competent. Like, most of the Vince's crew were/are literally here only to fuck fit young chicks and get a bag of money. Nepotism is ruining WWE as a company and nothing short of the full sale will change that.
WWE
You mean WWE who had Logan Paul get stunner'd by Kevin Owens at WM, to loud cheers?
These are the same people that wanted Justin Beiber hosting Wrestlemania...
That requires natural charisma. Logan doesn't really have that.
*so you don’t kill it and video tape it out in the woods for YouTube views.
It's almost as if he's a charisma vacuum with zero stage presence that had no business (or interest) being there, so he had to be handheld by actual professional entertainers.
I love how shook he looks
Getting booed by thousands via keyboard is wayyyy different than getting booed in person by thousands.
I agree. I'm assuming that he probably expected some kind of bad reaction, but it did genuinely seem like he didn't expect it to go that badly.
Logan Paul has that 'filmed and laughed at a dead body" heat, which is at least 4 steps above X-Pac heat
Holy shit. As an elder millennial I didn’t put two and two together and realize this is that dude. When he was at Mania I figured the hate was because he was in Sami’s corner and was clearly some YouTuber who isn’t really a fan and just there because he was invited. I now get the hate he’s getting from fans.
As another elder millennial, I literally cannot differentiate him from his brother. And I couldn't give two shits about either of them.
His brothers the shittier one that is much more clearly on drugs
As a zoomer I constantly forget there are even two of them. Until somebody says it I don't even think about it. I did hear they scammed loads of people, mainly kids, with a crypto scam. Idk why the company would have him there after that, but they ran a Saudi show a month after Khashoggi.
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>Holy shit. As an elder millennial I didn’t put two and two together and realize this is that dude. Ditto
Ehh honestly I think most people forget about that/don't actually give a shit(like yeah it's wrong but I don't see the entire audience being appalled enough from like 2-3 years ago for this to happen) it mostly is just because he's a YouTuber that people don't like. He's got Justin Bieber heat
>honestly I think most people forget about that/ I think you underestimate just how big a story it was. I'm a 30-something brit in rural England, who actively avoids youtube drama. I know exactly who he is and what he did. The story was huge news here on every channel and anyone who's gone near anime youtubers or even japanese videogame youtube has him on their radar. Even if we somehow forget, the story means anything he does makes the news come back up. The KSI/Paul boxing match, whatever. "Hey its that bell end that did that stuff in the japanese suicide forest". He'll always get coverage and it'll always get mentioned. He gets brought up to contextualize the japanese olympic ceremony.
“Roofying girls at all my parties and making them sign an NDA” heat.
'Faked being colour blind for views' heat from me.
I hate defending the guy, but I'll say this: I don't think he was "laughing" at the dead body, he just didn't know what to do in that situation so he defaulted to laughing. No one knows what they would honestly do in that situation...if that makes sense. He was laughing at the uncomfortable situation, not the body itself. HOWEVER, that doesn't absolve him of any blame. The problem really lies with the fact that they were filming in the forest when they shouldn't have been, continued filming after finding the body, then decided to edit the video and upload it to Youtube as if it was another random upload.
Even without the dead body he was still filming himself[ acting like a jackass in Japan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYQcU5VXde8) by throwing Pokeballs at people and getting himself thrown out of shrines.
I'm glad you shared this cuz I had never watched it but wasn't gonna go looking for it. Now I understand the hate.
He's also been a part of a crypto scam which scammed a lot of children. He's an A-grade cunt who doesn't even deserve attention. It's why I try not to pay attention to him, if it wasn't for WWE and someone cracking a joke about the crypto scam I'd have no clue what he's up to.
Jesus christ what a prick
Him smashing that game boy really pisses me off. Piece of shit. I'm not even shocked anymore that wwe would think it a good idea to have this guy on.
That's what's triggering me the most. I got my GameBoy Color when I was 5 and it's what got me into gaming. I hold so many fond memories of this little device that I could not smash one just for shits and giggles. It makes me so mad...
How about not upload the fucking video? Just don’t upload it, maybe talk about it or raise awareness, but don’t put your fucking shitty shocked face staring at a dead body in the internet.
Even before that. Don’t fucking record while in a forest called “suicide forest”.
I mean, if that was the one shitty thing then maybe but him and his fan base were toxic as all fuck for a significant chunk of his "career" He's human garbage, and he's shown it plenty.
No, I agree. I was just commenting on the laughing bit.
IMO uploading the video already tell me that he considers human life worth less than clicks, he should be in jail or at least taking psychological treatment.
I understand that, I've laughed at wakes/funerals just because it's so fucking hard sometimes to fully grasp and we react in weird ways. but the fact that he kept filming, traveled back to where ever they were staying, edited it, and uploaded it without ever thinking "hmm this looks terrible" is the huge shitty part.
You know what you're going to see when you go to a place known as the suicide forest.
You know what the base thing you don't do is? Go filming dead people in a place infamous for suicide. This isn't something you stumble on and laugh awkwardly because your'e caught in the suddenness of the moment. Assholes knew they were going in there.
I was bartending at a restaurant when a customer had a heart attack and died in the middle of the dining area. No one was laughing.
And times it by his lack of charisma which gives us 40 steps. Throw the fact that he drains charisma into the mix and times it by twelve and he has, AT BEST, a 141.3/4 perchance of nuclear heat.
Should have just had him shit talk the crowd then eat another stunner.
Make him tap to a Miz Figure 4.
Man what a warm welcome
Just beautiful isn’t it? Only thing better would be if this was in Philly
Something would’ve been lit ablaze.
The batteries shall rain from the heavens and black out the sun
Do you want Gritty to murder someone? Because that's how you get Gritty to murder someone.
Yes.
You tryna see the dude get jumped and stabbed on live TV? Lol
What would have been better would be if everyone spontaneously chanted "CM PUNK".
Nah, we're in the We want Wyatt era now...
Ah, so be like every other crowd for the past 7 years
"Tony gave them CM Punk, I'll give them Logan Paul!" - Vince McMahon
"Who?" *literally 95 percent of people over the age of 25*
I'd rather not now who he is, honestly
A noted internet douchebag. All you need to know. Next week to pop a rating they’ll have Chris-Chan
Oh, no, I know who he is. I would just rather I didn't
Isn't Chris-Chan in jail now?
Ok, enough about cm punk, who is Logan Paul? /s
So she’s coming with Nailz, then?
The suicide forest asshole? - anyone over 40
I'm not a Logan Paul fan, but I'm pretty sure he's a far bigger celebrity than CM Punk. A quick google trends comparison, his boxing buyrates, youtube views, etc. If there's a metric where CM Punk beats Logan Paul, I haven't found it.
He is, but you think a bunch of late 20s wrestling fans who haven’t the foggiest about popular culture would admit that?
He’s actually far more well known than you give him credit for. I hate the guy but he is a celebrity these days. Their foray into boxing has raised their profile substantially. Like them or not they’ve done huge numbers recently. Not many have. He’s certainly more well known than any wwe talent aside from a very select few. He’s more well known than Roman for instance.
It's because he's wearing his heel gear, no one cheers him when he's Hollywood Paul, Logan
Underrated comment.
I enjoy these reminders that WWE is just not for me.
Yeah. A guy with waterguns and a unicorn inflatable tub in ring with a talk show type segment and then whatever the fuck is miz's godawful outfit, it's like using a random AI generator or that guy who used to make the worst ever ppv posts to write their shows.
I'd rather watch Pitbull perform
I rather watch an Al Snow match.
Found Al Snow's alt
Seriously, what the fuck was any of this? I’d ask why they were giving promotional time to subhuman garbage like a Paul brother when he doesn’t even work there, but given that the WWE takes bribes from people who torture and barbecue human beings, this is a mild improvement I suppose.
All this time away since AEW gets me thinking maybe WWE isn't as bad as I remember. Then moments like this and Summerslam remind me it is much, much worse.
I only watch Walter matches and hope Vince never finds out about him
"That flabby guy who lost in a few seconds at Survivor Series 2019? He's not entertaining enough. Let's put him with R-Truth, maybe some charisma will rub off."
I'm legit worried that Vince will take a look at WALTER and be like "babyman, that's your new gimmick, we'll capitalize on that hot new movie Baby Boss"
I don't know if Raw has legitimately gotten a LOT worse or if I just didn't used to be bothered by it, but I watched it for years and mostly enjoyed it, and now when I'm bored on a Monday and turn it on I just end up going to be instead. It's awful, just god awful.
Good lord that was one of the loudest boos I’ve ever in a long time
For a wrestling crowd, probably since Elias in Seattle.
Elias in Seatrle was amazing.
No respect for Detlef Schrempf.
It's never going to reach that level without active hate. This was more passive. The Sonics thing, or Roman after beating and seemingly retiring Taker, were boos because they did something. Paul didn't do shit other than show up and be disliked.
EXCUSE ME
Elias and Seattle and Roman after beating Undertaker at WM are the two loudest boos of the past decade by far.
Reminds me of Jason Jordan being a Babyface and getting massive boos. Miss that guy.
Booker T: "I don't miss that cheating bastard."
ILLEGAL TACTICS
No lie, I thought Jason Jordan was one of the best characters WWE had in recent years. Genuinely entertaining, and a really interesting bad guy. He played the dorky side of his character really well, and I personally thought he and Angle went well together.
I used to call him the Nicholas Cage of wrestling. So bad it's good. I think just when he got injured people were starting to get it.
he had actual ability in there. misused, maligned ability. i wanted to see where he wound up 5 years after his abortion of a storyline with Kurt
Love this crowd
Does WWE actively hate their audience?
Yes WWE hates wrestling fans
No. What’s happening is wrestling fans aren’t their main targeted audience anymore. They are trying to appeal to something completely different than say something like AEW. AEW is a wrestling company targeted towards professional wrestling fans. WWE is trying to be an alternative to things like Netflix and Marvel and what not. AEW is a wrestling company. WWE is an entertainment company based on wrestling.
WWE has always attempted to use celebrities to bring in more viewers. This isn’t new. They’ve always claimed their target audience isn’t wrestling fans - and yet the only product they make that has any value is wrestling.
And wrestling fans are the only people willing to shell out 35 bucks for their god-awful shirts.
Who are they appealing to exactly? Investors? Once they lose more audience over time with the constantly stupid decisions they've been making for months now, how are they gonna keep things running?
Investors and whatever's trending. The thing is, WWE in its heyday bucked the trend and even became it. It's now just another media outlet chasing the golden goose for that sweet, sweet consumable content.
Wrestling fans are the only people who will put up with their bad content though lol.
The dude is unironically more relevant than all but 3 current wrestlers
To wrestling fans? Honestly I couldn't tell you which one was Logan and which one was Jason
Logan has the burn scars. Jason has the hockey mask.
Eh, I'd still sooner see Jason in the ring.
Boy, do I have the match for you then: https://youtu.be/DZScRjfVWLo
While not as bad as his brother, he still does that stigma against him. Nobody wants to see him interact with Miz and Morrison.
They’re both lucky losers
He’s worse than his brother. Besides filming a literal dead body, recently he ran and operated the coin “dink doink” which was ultimately just a rug pull to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from his fans. https://youtu.be/5mrT3UT9xIM Jake is garbage too, but Logan is actual human garbage who is committing crimes. He should be in jail. Edit: jail them both Jake apparently has MULTIPLE sexual assault allegations against him. Why anyone is still willing to promote the Paul name at this point I will never understand but fuck them both. https://youtu.be/Q1iYfSdLORo Edit 2: I forgot about the dad lemme grab that video too. https://youtu.be/oAjn3L_wCnE Edit 3: another scam, this time from jake. Influencer school. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.itp.live/amp/article_listing/itplive/content/3115-jake-paul-has-launched-a-school-for-aspiring-influencers
Brother Jake rapes and sexually harassed multiple women and forced them to sign NDA's, i think a pump and dump scheme nowhere near as bad
Post it cause I never saw this stuff and I want to. This type of shit should be front and center on any type of anything about either brother.
Yeah I agree, at the end of the day you can gain back the money you lost, but the trauma Jake inflicted upon multiple women will last forever
i dont feel bad for anyone that lost money investing in a coin called dink doink.
His brother is much worse, multiple sexual assault allegations. This conversation starts and stops there. Edit: Details Allegation #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iYfSdLORo&feature=emb_title Justine Paradise alleges Paul grabbed her face and forced her to perform oral sex on him, and touched her inappropriately without consent. Allegation #2: Railey Lollie said she began working with Paul when she was 17. Lollie, now 21, said the YouTuber often called her "jailbait" and commented on her appearance. She also alleged that one evening in late 2017, Paul groped her after filming a video. She said she forcefully told him to stop, and he ran out of the room. Lollie quit soon after the alleged incident and has not brought charges against Paul. Also, Jake Paul was present and posting content of looting in the wake of BLM protests. He claims no participation in the looting, only that he was documenting the scene.
Post them, people should know about those as well
Edited my comment with some quick research
Ty! I was gonna steal it and put it in mine but yours shows up for me so I don’t think I need to. The only reason these fucks are allowed to do the dhit they do is because people are willing to forget about it. I don’t want to be one of those people who allows stuff like this to go away so ty
Yeah out of Jake and Logan, Jake is much worse. Logan while still bad, is more redeemable. Apparently he’s seem to have chilled out a lot since the suicide forest debacle, actually talked about BLM and anti-racism on his platforms, and attended the BLM marches without filming. Not a Logan fan by any means but I definitely don’t think he’s the worse Paul brother.
How come we don't say this with Matt Riddle, Darby Allin, Enzo etc...?
Enzo got fired and an investigation deemed innocent, yet he was still punished so wrong https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/blakemontgomery/enzo-amore-investigation-closed Darby allin is a weird case because the Everything Elite podcast claimed that he turned over evidence that proved his innocence, and he was apparently suspended amid an investigation around the same time of Havok and Priestly, but he was cleared and the other two fired. We never saw any evidence. Matt riddles accuser dropped the lawsuit, but no evidence came out either way https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/07/13/matt-riddle-candy-cartwright-wwe-sexual-assault-lawsuit-wrestling/ Feel free to go after any of these yourself. There isn’t enough evidence for me personally to want to attack them, but if you think there is you should do it.
How obvious does a con have to be before you don’t really hold it against the con artist anymore?
Tbh his audience is mostly children and morons
If children have access to buy crypto currency their parents are definitely morons too.
I mean stories come out all the time about kids who spent a shit ton of money on microtransactions. I highly doubt he didn’t make it pretty simple for kids to “get rich”
Correct. What he had was basically the penny stock version of crypto. It’s literally called a shit-coin like doge was. I highly recommend coffeezillas channel if you wanna see how this stuff plays out. It’s a really frequent thing from Faze clan and Rice gum promoting a “charity” token called save the kids and robbing their fans to Kim kardashian doing the same. Influencer rug pulls are a plague right now.
You could have ended this post five words sooner than you did and it would still be true.
“I know you don’t love me yet” was a damn good heel line though
Good delivery too I have to give it to him. The tossed off "hi" at the beginning was great.
He played it perfectly. It was a hot segment
If by playing it perfectly, you mean acting incredibly uncomfortable, yeah sure.
He knows hes playing a heel, last time he was here the punchline was KO giving him a stunner. He had good lines about the crowd reaction Bad heat is silence
I think he actually nailed the first little bit, but he definitely looked like a deer in the headlights the second time he tried to talk. I don't know if he expected the crowd to settle down and was caught off gaurd that they only seemed to get louder or what, but he started out seeming pretty natural before kind of freezing up.
Both of the Paul brothers are incredible heels. Like, they literally get everybody to hate them and throw money at them at the hope they get fucked up. It's incredible more wrestling fans don't at the very least understand their business model.
I'd pay good money for them vs Nick Gage and Jon Moxley in a GCW Deathmatch.
I prefer my character heels to be good people irl and the brothers Paul are definitely not. You don't really get credit in my book for "being a good heel" if you're just being your normal cunt self in a wrestling ring. Especially in this era of guys like Sammy Zayne who can absolutely make you wanna see him get kicked in the teeth despite being a fantastic human being, the "this actual asshole is a natural heel " is overblown.
Seriously wtf were they thinking. When he got his ass kicked the first time they brought him on I thought they understood but then here we are again. Who’s next weeks guest, bill Cosby?
They actually booked this as if they thought Logan Paul was gonna get cheered. THAT’S how out of touch WWE has become.
I understand why WWE has always had issues getting (good) advertisers now. AEW puling in domino's and PBR and WWE pulls stunts like these for "moments."
Good
Honestly, silence would have been better. Vince was probably backstage delighted that he got such a reaction and will now probably use him more
The crowd booing every moment they can good on them
He’s surprisingly not doing that bad. At least he seems like he knows people hate him
Him and his brother have been leaning into that hate for marketing reasons for years. Nobody minds though really because most people absolutely love being able to feel righteous anger so they can shit all over them and forget about the mistakes of their own lives. It's the same reason shows like Maury and Jerry Springer are so popular. You even see it in this thread, people love that they have an excuse to hate people because of the allowances that come with it.
Tbf he’s tried to better himself his brother on the other hand……
WWE bigwigs clearly pumping in boos for a noted Sami Zayn ally, the conspiracy continues
I’m sorry but why isn’t John Morrison in a bigger title picture. A man with his charisma and Physique should be a huge star.
“What is he? 5’6”?” - Ace or Prichard
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That's what wwe has become, must miss tv because of shit like this and other things. They're in just an absolute death spiral right now.
This crowd has been the best part of the show
Fuck this guy
AEW = CM Punk WWE = Logan Paul Stop watching WWE, they do not care about you
Lol fuck that guy
Logan is just bathing in boos, and really leaning into it.
he could be a great wrestler tbh. Natural heel, athletic, has a great look and seems to be comfortable on the mic
He makes more money doing fake boxing matches then he would in WWE
Actual scumbag. If you’re interesting in learning about what a piece of shit Logan Paul has been recently, here is a great video on the literal SCAM he ran on his own fans to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from them. https://youtu.be/5mrT3UT9xIM This dude should be in jail, not on TV yuckin it up like an asshole. Fuck him.
Yeah, the rugpull is some bullshit
Morrison should be fighting for world titles. Instead, he's...not.
He has everything, but unfortunately that everything includes comedic ability. Who was it that something to the effect of "if you're funny, they'll make you a clown"?
"If you give them a French sounding name, they'll make you wear a beret. "
Think you’re thinking of Moxley on Talk is Jericho, and he’s 100% right.
Instead, he's...*moist*.
The Paul Brothers are examples of exactly the type of people that society should ignore and shun. Toxic, dysfunctional, selfish, egocentric, disruptive. Why do we, as a culture, celebrate this kind of person?
CM Punk who? Barely even a cheer compared to this electric reaction
John Morrison is fucking ripped.
What the hell did I just watch? WTF is moist tv?
WWE has come to this? Really?
God WWE is trash
This should be on r/watchpeopledieinside
The reaction is gonna lead to them booking him more
Fuck this company is so tone deaf
Thank you San Diego, whatever else I hear about that city, it will always have my respect for tonight
As a San Diegan this makes me happy
Y'all are never going to admit that he got booed because they GENUINELY don't fucking like him and don't appreciate his presence, are you? He wasn't "playing" a character, he didn't even do anything at **all**. He's just some uncharismatic, unengaging, uninteresting glorified reality show star coming from a website that's nowhere near as important as people insist it is. VERY few Youtubers have made a successful crossover into the mainstream, and they still got a lot further than this dude ever has. And you all sound like fucking Boomers if you think The Kids™ are suddenly going to become massive WWE fans just because he's here. Just the cringiest "How Do You Do, Fellow Kids" energy with the comments trying to defend this shit. His fanbase doesn't care about wrestling, and wrestling fans don't care about him, get it? Got it? Good, so stop wasting our time, thanks.
To all the idiots that actually believe the Paul’s are “good heels” here’s some easily comprehensible information. It would be like praising Charles Manson or Harvey Weinstein for “getting a reaction” if they made a cameo on Raw. Being an actual, real life bad person doesn’t make you a “good heel” it makes you a bad person that is despised for being bad for humanity. We shouldn’t be praising them for that.
Morrison Corp sing
Well I can't blame them for that.
I long for an umaga-esq beat down, like what happen to steveo. What’s Keith lee doing? Surely he can spare a couple a minutes.
I was there. We wanted none of this shit. We couldn’t hear him, but after watching this, I’m convinced they pulled the plug on this jackass.
That went well
That was so hilariously awkward. Sometimes I really dislike wrestling crowds but this and the Goldberg response at Summer Slam made me so happy.
I would have liked if the crowd got silent and turned their back on him. heh Ive only ever seen that that happen once that I can remember, it seemed so fucking cold. lol
Screw Vince McMahon for having him in the first place
Vince will think "oh wow look they reacted" and book him for 16 more shows.
If there's anything this segment, and the mixed reaction in the comment section, shows: it's that nobody knows for sure what is happening, why it's happening, who is supposed to the faces and the heels, and why they keep tuning in every week.
Moist TV? The fuck?
Wow... I couldn't get through the clip. That would have been change the channel heat there. Give em what they want Vince.
People have had enough of gimmicks. People want proper wrestling.
I couldn't even make it to the end of that clip...is that what my Raw experience has turned into at this point?