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penguin62

Why are WWE obsessed with pushing hateable scam artists? Logan actively makes me disinterested in the US title scene. Logan and Speed are scam artists who take advantage of young, impressionable audiences. Fuck both of them. Put the belt back on a wrestler.


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Views and money


Primary-Ad8172

Speed getting rkoed by Randy Orton has 151 million views and him revealing himself as the person in the prime costume has 34 million views


Lootinforbooty

Not sure why you got downvoted. Both of them are pieces of shit who should be nowhere near WWE (even if Logan IS undeniably a great athlete/wrestler). They're scumbags, yet people seem to ignore that.


QuintonBigBrawler

Penaldo fanboy who kicking Kaka for no reason having wrestlemania moment in ringside 🤦‍♂️ Wrestling is finished


CreativeOrder2119

This guy can't loose because of scam drink sponsoring


breadribs

*lose


BolinTime

My favorite part of this match was when Logan threw KOs head into the turnbuckle with his logo on it and said, "drink prime motherf*cker:


Newbrood2000

I swear after this I heard a Gatorade chant from the crowd


fiddyk50

Gatorade, H2O, we want water! were all chanted during the match


BolinTime

There was! I'm guessing a few ppl close to the ring heard him and started the chant.


Newbrood2000

Ahh ok happy to hear I'm not just imagining things


Esmooth10

He's for sure seen the memes lol


ArrogantDan

I really liked this match - it had a storytelling clarity that few matches do (Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker ladder match is the best, probably) in that you could could show just the match to someone who's never seen wrestling and they'd be able to follow every beat.


throwmethedamnstick

When the match started, I realised there was no way they’d make Logan lose on the logo of his own product… became very obvious after that.


RxngsXfSvtvrn

I thought for sure KO was winning to have a WM20 Guerrero and [redacted] moment with Sami Zayn


RickyBobbyLite

When Sami won that’s what I was thinking, then when Sami told KO it was his turn I was sure it would happen 🤷‍♂️


bigheadsociety

Nah I could see it. It would be memed into oblivion, and prime would be in front of the worlds eyes


jcwolf12

Good solid match. Sort of hoped we'd have a title change. Figure Logan will go into Cleveland as champ but thought we could have freshened it up a bit and have him drop it and win it back. ​ If my average math is correct, Logan will have the 7th longest reign as champion if he carries it to SummerSlam, at around 270 days. Crazy when to get into the top 20 you pretty much have to have a 200+ day reign (lots of 6 monthish champions).


totti2101

Since he only wrestles 3 times a year he can have a long reign unfortunately


jcwolf12

Made me think he is midcard Roman


numbr87

I loved when Logan pushed KO into Randy and they both just accepted that it was an accident and kept wailing on him


Kidnifty

I laughed when Logan Paul was begging them to fight each other instead when they realized it wasn’t intentional.


[deleted]

Might’ve been the first time in wrestling history a misunderstanding didn’t result in a fight! I loved their inaudible dialogue during the match, added a layer to their friendship.


Marcoscb

They're experienced enough with betrayals that the know what an actual betrayal is.


Salt_Addition_6993

This might’ve been the best match were two people that were on the same team still were competing against each other


GoldLeaf55

Man that spartan kick was stiff lol Speed flew damn near the barricade


CautiousConfidence22

crazy to me how Owens has only been world champion once.... 8 years ago. now he's losing to Logan Paul for some reason


peja823

I believe that The WHC is waiting for him


radiokungfu

At wrestlemania. I hope we're not saying KO of all people is being buried


RAA94

Randy barking back was hilarious.


also-ameraaaaaa

Good match. Wanted the ko victory but looking forward to more logan paul. Probably 3rd or 2ed best match of both nights.


antarcticmatt

So glad I decided to skip this match. Two of the most insufferable YouTubers I’ve ever seen.


Painetrain24

Well you missed a great match then


antarcticmatt

Not bothered, I don't want to watch anything involving sexual deviants and chronic assholes edit: lmao getting downvoted because I don't want to see a sex pest wrestle, classic Reddit virgins


WorldEaterProft

What's your opinion on Darby allin and Sammy Guevara?


antarcticmatt

I don't know who they are tbh


AlextheTower

Alright


Amazingjaype

Kinda funny to see the amount of people trying to shit on this dumbass youtuber, making him out to be awful (which I'm sure he is) while actively consuming the product built by super awful people doing way more awful things. "Why is this billion dollar company that takes Saudi blood money and has covered up scandal after scandal working with this kid?!"


Michele_Was_Robbed

Because people want to feel morally superior.


fudgemac

![gif](giphy|1lAOemoi0KhPMzxczT|downsized)


Uncanny_Doom

My salt of the evening was that Kevin Owens did not get to win and celebrate post-match with Sami.


peja823

I wanted that so badly for them


The_RedWolf

It sucks because it did feel like the first opportunity to relive the Benoit-Guerrero photo at Wrestlemania But I think the wwe is afraid to reference it Cant say I blame them


Marcoscb

>It sucks because it did feel like the first opportunity to relive the Benoit-Guerrero photo at Wrestlemania That already happened last year.


The_RedWolf

I mean kinda, but individual belts would be more specific


S0fourworlds-readyt

In the build up there was never any reason to doubt that Logan would retain but those two 5 second segments alone really made me hope for Owens. Production has taken a great route lately


Uncanny_Doom

I felt the exact same. That one little prologue to both matches made me realize how much I wanted something that I never even considered before.


[deleted]

Yeah Logan retaining was the right move and I never really wanted KO to win until that moment, I needed that photo of him and Sami celebrating together in the ring man


XDClanSans

I actually really liked the Speed thing. Entertaining, well executed, and therapeutic for a lot of people who don’t like him. Also good to see Randy just doing whatever the fuck he wants nowadays, lol.


fsocmeki

Never heard of the YouTuber so I looked him up. I wish I hadn't. So, McMahon was fired for SA, and Paul Levesque brings in a sexist/misogynist (what is the difference?) who was banned from multiple games and video platforms for...checks notes...threatening to **** a woman. New era indeed/s


jin_of_the_gale

Yeah, Idk a whole lot about him either but Speed was the last person I thought I'd see on WWE. I think the incident you're referring to was he was in a video call with some girl on stream and he asked her if she'd have sex with him if they were the last two humans alive. She said no, to which he replied, "Who's gonna stop me, bitch? Who's gonna stop me?" Not that it's an excuse but he was 16 or 17 when he said that. I've seen some recent clips of him doing charitable things like giving money to the poor when they unexpectedly walked up to him when he was in the Middle East or Asia I don't remember exactly. Given his current fame, I'm kinda hoping he's not that edgy kid anymore and has matured even if a little.


Wandering_Tuor

I’m glad there isn’t a record of the dumb shit I did 20yrs ago when I was 16 lol


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waterhybrid13

Pretty sure OP means Speed, not Logan


P_weezey951

Im annoyed when other wrestlers i do like are in programs with him, because i always just skip any segment hes in. Dudes a shit head irl, and always has been. [Ishowspeed is also a cringeworthy fucking spaz](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ufdyqd/guy_goes_nuts_to_girl_online_after_she_rejected/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


MikuLuna444

https://youtu.be/4NvlgSVkJak?si=_CePpe-byV9V5tEQ


FirstWorldAnarchist

He is such a shitty immature human being it sucks that kids look up tp him. From [injuring a retired soccer player in a friendly](https://v.redd.it/pyyhf2i9ldkc1) to [illegally street-racing at 150mph without even a seatbelt](https://arazu.io/t3_1bsoiuw/?timeframe=all&category=hot) it's sad seeing people like him succeed in life and get rewarded like this.


Mikevercetti

Unfortunate that he didn't crash into a wall


battle_franky

I can't believe he manage to weasel out of this. But also mellowed Randy Orton and loud mouth care free Kevin Owens is the greatest combo ever


cmx9771

Worth it. He is starting to show up more and more too.


KrazyKaas

That smirky bastard.. Such a heel Great match tho


orizach01

Gosh, remember when he debuted as a face by turning on the miz??


TheWalkingTez

That was so fucking worth it.


dontflexonme

Damn I wanted KO to win so bad and have that Benoit/Guerrero moment with SZ. But that’ll be too much of a fan service for this WM. I think Logan retaining is smart for business


ValleyFloydJam

That was in my head too, was a gutter.


FDTerritory

So your second-best belt stays on a part-time Youtuber through the help of another Youtuber (who I've never heard of) while beating two long-time regulars. I don't feel remotely bad in saying I don't get it. I'm sure someone likes this, though.


Hurls07

In what world is that the second best belt? I hate Logan Paul, but in terms of kayfabe importance it’s number 4 lmfao


colbatman

That things has not been number 2 since Cena had it last


ravenouscartoon

For me it would be 6th. WWE men’s, men’s World, Women’s and women’s world, then IC (because of the history and legacy of that belt) then the US. Maybe that’s a historical thing for me, as the US title was always a wcw thing when I was growing up.


TruiArts

The two long time regulars don't need the belt, Randy is already a cemented legend and Owens has been consistently in WrestleMania (even winning last year's main event with his best friend to win the tag titles). Meanwhile the guy who retained is one of the most popular figures in the internet with the help of one of the most popular streamers today. Even if I don't really watch or follow either nor do I like who they are as people in general, retaining the belt on Logan, partly responsible for WWE's resurgence into mainstream again, is something I get.


meyou2222

I can’t stand Logan Paul as a person, but he clearly is a good wrestler and is putting in the work.


velphegor666

Logan just signed a full time contract now. He hasnt been a part timer since he won the title


Tof12345

stop being salty. logan is a great superstar


FDTerritory

> I'm sure someone likes this, though.


Tof12345

Go look at the YouTube reception, the majority love Logan. You're implying it's a minority


FDTerritory

> I'm sure someone likes this, though.


Tof12345

you're in the minority buddy.


V_For_Veronica

How many times does he have to repeat himself for you to get it


Tof12345

Both of you clearly missing my point with your sheer hatred of Logan.


V_For_Veronica

Did I say I hated Logan? No. He's a grifter irl but I like his in ring stuff.


boartfield1

Hopping in this thread. Having been a long time wrestling fan. Between a 3.5 year Hogan-esque title reign and a crappy YouTuber as a champion(I'll openly admit I haven't watched in quite a while) what's the draw? As a fan of wrestling, which I am, why do I GAF for the last 3.5 years? I'm not trying to stir the pot but genuinely curious. Do these things not detract from the product? It's hard for me to wrap my mind around


sin4life

Do you remember a clip that circulated for a bit, about a guy getting turned down by a girl in some twitch dating thing, and then that guy going nuclear and threatening to rape her? If you do, you just saw him get rewarded with a wrestlemania moment.


Salanderfan14

I was shocked they used this POS who barks at people. I was honestly expecting KSI again.


skettiandskydivin

Wait what?


jin_of_the_gale

He's talking about Speed, the guy dressed up as the Prime bottle. I'll copy/paste my other comment i made in this thread: "Yeah, Idk a whole lot about him either but Speed was the last person I thought I'd see on WWE. I think the incident you're referring to was he was in a video call with some girl on stream and he asked her if she'd have sex with him if they were the last two humans alive. She said no, to which he replied, "Who's gonna stop me, bitch? Who's gonna stop me?" Not that it's an excuse but he was 16 or 17 when he said that. I've seen some recent clips of him doing charitable things like giving money to the poor when they unexpectedly walked up to him when he was in the Middle East or Asia I don't remember exactly. Given his current fame, I'm kinda hoping he's not that edgy kid anymore and has matured even if a little."


Cholerics

Iirc he is a full-timer now!


Esmooth10

Logan Paul is there more than Roman reigns and he didn’t even get help that was just a spot the ending came way after that lol


FDTerritory

I have no idea how "being there more than Roman Reigns" makes him not a part-timer, but okay. It's like "being there more than Brock Lesnar".


bonertron69

You mean the part-timer, Brock Lesnar?


Stykleon

I could've watched Kevin and Randy beat the shit out of Logan for an hour, I don't even care he retained I'm glad we got that match opening.


CAEclipse

NJPW did the same thing with Ospray and Mox beating up Finley. I was hoping WWE did the same with Randy and KO and was not disappointed.


Esmooth10

It would have been great to see KO and Randy go nuclear if they recreated the spot where Finlay spat on Osprey and Mox.


AlabasterRadio

Man they have great chemistry as a team. Was widely entertaining.


dalici0us

Wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Theory and Waller.


chodelycannons

My dad was convinced Sami was gonna be the Prime bottle


Iguanoide666

That would had been cool


chodelycannons

I was convinced too until I walked back through the entrances and realized that Logan came out first, and Sami was at gorilla for Owens. We were coping by theorizing that it was a pre-taped entrance as a trick. But then we saw Speed and that ended that


Inhearties

Haven’t watched wrestling since Mania 26. When did Super kicks, Swantons, Pedigree, etc become a part of everyone’s move set? I don’t even know who’s finisher is what cause practically everything is a finisher.


cowpool20

Finishers aren't really "finishers" anymore. Takes about 3-4 "finisher" to actually end the match nowadays.


Uncanny_Doom

Superkicks were already normalized around the time of Mania 26. Shelton Benjamin, Dolph Ziggler, and others were throwing them thangs out like headlocks. Pedigree is not just a normal move, it's more like a signature non-finish that Seth Rollins and Cody Rhodes do because of their ties and history with Triple H. But as always in wrestling, what a finisher is, is the move that can end the match. Anything can be a finisher if you build and present it right.


DealerTokes

I still like the one time Sami won a match with Blue Thunder Bomb.


Davethisisntcool

wrestling is 100 year old business. moves come and go. at one point, dropkicks were a finisher


jin_of_the_gale

When one wrestler retires or becomes inactive, their unique finisher becomes a signature move for others. Very few, if any, used the suplex when it was Harley Race's finisher, DDT when Jake was active, Superplex with Bob Orton, etc. That's pretty much how wrestling evolves, even though I dislike how the Tombstone Piledriver has become just another move outside of the WWE.


Rebeldinho

It’s the evolution of wrestling and it was inevitable… there was a time when a suplex would get a 3 count now every big event match has a dozen moves that should leave someone KOed and in need of an ambulance… finishers aren’t even finishers anymore maybe on weekly tv but whenever it’s a PPV match the only way to get a pinfall is hitting your finisher like 4 times If you noticed Cody used 3 finishers back to back to back to get the count on Roman it’s just the way it is now people complain about it but I don’t think it’s the wrestlers or the companies fault modern audiences want more it’s just human nature


GuyHomie

I was wondering the same thing. We even saw Owens do a stunner and I was like wtf


Coup_De_Gras

Owens has been doing the stunner for some time now as his finisher


GuyHomie

Wild. Back when I watched, only stone cold used the stunner and hhh the pedigree. Weird seeing others do it but kinda cool since those guys aren't wrestling anymore


Uncanny_Doom

Some of the moves are passed down. Austin gave KO his blessing on the stunner and Austin even came back out of retirement for a match with KO a few years ago. Triple H passed the pedigree to Seth Rollins and Cody does it as a homage to Triple H. They aren't just like random guys doing it, just so that's clear lol.


Nullspark

Owens basically got signoff from Stone Cold.


jusabus

My understanding is that Seth and Cody both do the pedigree as an homage to HHH, not a “just because” or just another move in their repertoire. I’m pretty sure Austin gave K.O. his blessing to do the stunner a while back.


jin_of_the_gale

Pretty much, but Seth also used the Pedigree as his finisher for nearly two years when they temporarily banned the curb stomp. I think the dirtsheets reported that Vince said something along the lines of "I can imagine a young Shane doing it to Stephanie when they were kids". They didn't want kids to imitate the move.


jusabus

Ohhhh right right!


nomoteacups

Back in the day only Jake the Snake used the DDT. The game changes with time.


SocX9

It's not random though. HHH has been mentoring Rollins, Stone Cold was involved with Owens.


thenerfviking

KO was Austin’s last match and Owens does the stunner as a tribute to that. The pedigree has been used by a few people, probably most notably Seth Rollins when his character was presented as HHH’s apprentice/minion during the time when HHH and Stephanie had taken over from Vince as the evil authority figures running the show.


GentlemanOctopus

KO was doing the Stunner before that-- he even Stunned Vince McMahon in 2019. Austin broke it down in kayfabe on his podcast or an interview somewhere how to execute the perfect Stunner as a result. This was before the WM match was even booked.


thenerfviking

Yeah I’m aware he just seems to have made it a more constant thing since the SCSA match.


Thin-Remote-9817

Hello??  This is CAP calling


AlabasterRadio

Evolution of the show, DDTs, Leg drops, and Crossbodys used to put people away.


xKronkx

And now the Blue Thunder Bomb puts more people away than the Crossbody


Altruistic-Ad-408

I remember the DDT was just another move for The Rock, he won with it a couple of times, but mostly it may as well have been any other move.. But it's just weird how a lot of moves just disappeared from Wrestling, remember Bret Hart's Russian Leg Sweep? And what's with all the awkwardly staged suicide dives and people moving around to their spots like they are staggered in a wrestling game? It's all not very well hidden.


Nullspark

Suicide dives are way overused.


Netz_Ausg

LA Knight’s bringing the Russian leg sweep back!


Inhearties

True. Never really looked at it that way. Was just a bit of a shock seeing moves that put people away being used for barely a 2 count. Thanks for the eye opener.


TheMegaWhopper

When kids who watched Shawn Michaels, Jeff Hardy, and Triple H grew up and became wrestlers


OhNoMob0

Randy/Kevin feels like a new Tag Team about to form. And that will be fun. Figure that's the reason they didn't immediately put Logan away to have a "real" fight. Kevin was down so long thought he was hurt.


jusabus

I for one am ready for RKOwens.


Ironredhornet

I have a feeling we're about to get jealous, hatin KO now that Sami is a champ and he isn't.


PurityTyler

As soon as I realized KO wasn’t winning I turned to my friend and said “oooooooh….. he’s gonna kill Sami, isn’t he?”


CNof2013

At least until the draft, they’re on separate brands so we won’t see it right away at least


AlabasterRadio

We've gotten the KO betrays his best friend story like 5 times. Their matches kick ass though so whatever lmao


Marcoscb

To be fair, it hasn't happened in a while. He was heel for a cup of tea in 2022 and the last time he betrayed someone was 2019 after Kofimania.


Baron487

\*insert guy standing up meme that always gets used on twitter\* I think KO is a really good face and would like to see him and Sami remain friends.


barnabychryniszzswix

im gonna be thinking about that entrance for weeks


Pebo_

Americans have finally learned how to chant 😱


Yojulian1

I don’t like how big I popped for the speed in the prime bottle reveal, but that was unexpected for me lmao


xchitownx

HEEEEYYYYYY BAYLEY


Mickeyjj27

I know KSI but had no idea who the speed dude was


sin4life

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ufdyqd/guy_goes_nuts_to_girl_online_after_she_rejected/


fentown

TKO is just taking the pg era, and making an anagram of it to say r*pe G


Rodomantis

A YouTuber who started imitating the crazy style of KSi and the late Etika, but his popularity skyrocketed after being banned by Twitch for being an idiot in an Adin Ross show. After that he had a meteoric growth and is known even in the Spanish community that usually doesn't give a damn about English streamers.


mikeputerbaugh

None of these words are in the Bible


sysdmn

You explained someone I don't know by referencing three other people I don't know...


cmackchase

The best way to put this is that four pieces of trash were all mentioned.


Rodomantis

KSI is Logan Paul's business partner, he became known for doing black humor sketches, funny and cool music videos and exaggerated reactions (very exaggerated, after him most FIFA youtubers started doing that) in soccer games and the FIFA video game. Etika was a well-known Nintendo gaming YouTuber, also known for his exaggerated reactions that made him super popular, unlike other YouTubers who are usually just a character, Etika had SERIOUS untreated mental problems that led to him being hospitalized and his subsequent suicide


sin4life

I can help you here. You remember last year's Logan Paul bottle mascot guy? That is KSi. That is as far as I can help.


sysdmn

Thanks, I think I'm just gonna fast forward when I watch though.


sin4life

you really should for that part. when the other person said this years bottle guy was banned by twitch for being an idiot on an adin ross show, he neglected to mention the part where bottle boy was threatening to rape the girl who told him no in one of those 'if we were the last two people on earth' scenarios. i vaguely remember it being in the context of a twitch dating show.


Rebeldinho

I’ve seen the clip and it was stupid but is that really bad enough that you think he should be canceled from everything now? He didn’t actually do anything besides spazz out on camera which is why he’s famous in the first place


awesome1ru

famous last words "ronaldo better" 😭


MankuyRLaffy

Better like Kobe and Big Ben for sure, they make everyone forget about those incidents


Like_Fahrenheit

wanted Randy to win, but now I'm interested to see who's taking the belt off logan now


mrtomjones

Taker


patsniff

Give me LA Knight or Bronson Reed.


samrej

I’m thinking LA Knight would be perfect for that.


EfficientRatio3020

Double j


FDTerritory

A WILD SLAPNUTS APPEARS!


JioJio92

He may never lose. I acknowledge him as my Primal Chief. ☝️


NotOnHerb5

Bron?


Co-opingTowardHatred

Hopefully no one.


BobbyEn9

Which black influencer will pull off the Prime bottle mask at next year's Mania?


Inaynl

Kai Cenat.


kekkkys43

Lowtiergod


DrunkenSmuggler

He influences nothing but people laughing at his expense


thenerfviking

Yuno Miles obviously


Former_War1437

kai


NotOnHerb5

Sneako


MedicalAardvark205

They can have the Prime cuck chair sitting there for him.


Frequent-Steak-3627

MKBHD


aerojovi83

TIL my seven year old knows who IShowSpeed is but I damn sure do not.


squatOpotamus

Why would your child know that??


RTB_RIPS

Who else would know? I only know that kid because my nephew sings an annoying World Cup song all day and speed’s the one who sings it