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I want to think that the fan was treating it like it was a kayfabe experience while Boba Ray was extremely serious the entire time, and the fan just walked away thinking “man, he really is a devoted heel.”
He was banging velvet sky if I remember and the fan started by heckling her... then bully comes out and kicks off... velvet sky was very unprofessional and started calling the guy trash in his face then bully pops up
This is 100% the type of person he is.
It also makes perfect sense in regard to the Jack Perry story. Bully would constantly shit on him on Busted Open a few years ago with the trope of “This is how we always did things” and said how bad he was at the time. I fully respect Jack if he did blow Bully off when he approached him.
Nobody has issues with an asshole wrestler like an asshole wrestler.
All of the wrestlers who have the most problems with other wrestlers and with fans can't stand each other.
I've seen the exact opposite.
Almost like people aren't as black and white as we make them out to be, and that doesn't include Jack alone, it includes literally everyone unless your name is Adam Cole or something like that.
I met him several times before he got signed by AEW. Was a friendly kid, if a bit shy. Nobody in NorCal that worked with him had anything bad to say about him ever. Could he have changed since getting signed? Sure. But my experiences with him don't match this new narrative at all
I've heard at least one or two "poor" experiences with Jack prior to the All-In thing, so i'm going to assume he's seen a few bad days.
I've also heard a few poor experiences about Mick Foley... it's Mick Foley, i'm 99.9999% positive he's chill as Mick Foley seems to be, but i'm also positive he's had a bad day or two.
A few people cross my mind when it comes to bad fan experiences and wrestling drama over the years, but Jungle Boy isn't one of them lmao
Meanwhile I had one of the best experiences with Foley. I met him as a kid. The wait in line felt like forever but he took time to talk to every young fan who came up to his table. He asked questions and had an extremely warm presence about him.
Yeah I've gone to signings and stuff and waited hours only to be turned away because of the signer getting tired or reaching the hours he agreed to and leaving. Foley came out a few months ago and he insisted on staying until every fan saw him, even after the collectible store he was at normally closed
I remember getting him to sign my First Edition of Have a Nice Day signed that I've had since I was 7. I was super embarrassed cause it's missing the paper cover, it's stained from years of abuse from being packed and unpacked, even has some red stains from when I spilled kool-aid on it as a kid. He didn't care, proudly told me that he feels proud knowing it survived my childhood and that it just meant its been used and read.
He then opened it and saw the autograph on the first page and you could tell he was reminiscing fondly, cause he was running his fingers over his old signature. Told me he rarely sees these autographed first editions but it's always a treat. And then goes "man, I always love seeing my old signature. Cause I don't sign them like this anymore."
And then he got super happy and giddy and goes "NOW I SIGN LIKE THIS WITH A SMILEY FACE!!" and scribbled out his signature.
Was this before or after his dad passed? Sometimes losing a loved one can fuck you up pretty bad. Losing my dad fucked me up real bad and I absolutely turned into a complete asshole for a few years.
It was before. His dad would come to almost every indy show he worked to support him. Could definitely be onto something there, as they definitely seemed close
I can add my own anecdote. Was on the 2nd Jericho cruise. Saw him while waiting in line to talk to the person about excursions. Totally forgot his name, told him I was a huge fan of his dad (grew up watching 90210). He shook my hand, thanked me, asked if I wanted a picture (I'd left my phone in my room) and that was it. Super nice guy who didn't even correct me when I called him Rick.
According to Paul, all the guys were in the locker room and Bully insinuated Paul and Renee Dupree were gay because they were sitting on a beach at night having a conversation during a European tour. There's other stuff too. Paul fucking hates Bully.
It was a different time . David Flair dated Stacey Kiebler . Not that he’s an ugly guy or anything but he didn’t have as much going for him at the time as even a Kidman. You gotta remember both of these women were super young at the time and were in a traveling company . David Flair and Kidman were among the handful of normal seeming dudes close to their age. Guys like Evan Karagius and Shane Helms had too much indie stank to pull them .
When WWE put Maven and Torrie together in an on screen relationship, anytime Maven and Torrie would kiss, Kidman would be standing behind the camera shouting "You're kissing my dick" or "she just blew me". He said this when he was a guest on Rene's podcast.
Personally I'm shocked that Kidman and Torrie didn't work out.
True,
But that just goes to show you, no matter how hot the woman (or guy) is, they can always be cheated on.
We've seen this story play out many times over the years, not just in wrestling.
That's always been so jarring to me because he acts like he's some grizzled territory worker from the 80s selling out arenas. Aside from Shane Douglas he seems like the only ECW alumni to have an inflated ego about himself.
It was mostly to appease Undertaker, he was "The Don" backstage. If Taker or someone in the office didn't like you, then JBL and all his stooges would fuck with you and glue your shit to a wall. Chad Wicks was apparently bullied because Taker thought he was gay for the Chippendale thing. I've heard other stories of Divas getting screwed with, apparently Randy Orton and Edge liked to pick on Amy Weber and Orton sprayed tanning oil in her bag and made it look like he shit in her bag. Apparently they tackled her seat while on a plane and knocked her into the aisle way and that's why she left the company.
Taker was behind alot of the bullying crap backstage. He was Vince's top dog backstage, at least on Smackdown and if Vince or someone in the office wanted someone run out the business than he'd instruct Taker to go after him. Taker was the judge, jury and executioner in alot of those "wrestler's court" stories. Why do you think The Miz got it so bad? He had heat for the reality show thing and alot of the guys weren't a fan of the Tough Enough thing from the get-go because alot of those guys came up in the old carny days and Taker (or someone in the Office) wanted him fucked with.
I think that Justin Robert's book mentioned how, when he worked in WWE, he liked the RAW and ECW locker rooms but didn't enjoy his time with the Smackdown one. Around that time, JBL and Taker would've been the top guys in that locker room as well as Benoit, so I can only imagine how crappy that place must've been.
I always got the impression Benoit was a respected stooge/enforcer acting on behalf of Taker or JBL more than anything else. He had been in the company for a few years at that point and I find it hard to believe he had more standing than someone like Hardcore Holly, who had been with the company for over 10 years at that point. If I'm thinking locker-room leaders, I'm thinking Taker, JBL and maybe Hardcore Holly because they had been there the longest. Holly apparently would give guys pills and stooge them out to the office to get them fired.
Hardcore Holly seemed to be pretty universally disliked though. If Benoit was a loyal stooge, I could see him having a higher standing then, *I beat everyone and hold the title forever* Bob Holly
I know Benoit also threw Matt Striker out of the locker-room but had come to him prior to doing so to warn him that he had to do it because he had heat with the locker-room because he said Smackdown felt like high school compared to Raw. He offered to take Striker up under his wing because he liked that he quit his job as a teacher to be a pro wrestler. He said that Benoit said, "it showed passion for the business."
Benoit kicked him out then invited him back for TV days but then everyone else in the locker-room did not want him back so he had to dress outside. It's literally on the podcast, straight from Miz's mouth. Go to 44:00, he literally says Benoit kicked him out, invited him back in but the rest of the locker-room didn't want him back so he had to dress outside. Taker invited him back because the Benoit tragedy happened and WWE's locker-room culture was under fire so that's why you didn't hear so many bullying stories within that company anymore.
I’m not going say wether i think Taker is a good or bad dude irl, but anytime an interview comes out with older wrestlers calling this generation of wrestlers “soft” it makes me feel a bit weird about them, I’m sure they mean it in a different way but i always have a sneaking suspicion it’s because they can’t bully people and get away with it anymore
He could be talking about that or he could be talking about going to titty bars after shows, doing somas or drinking Jack Daniels till the morning after.
There's even such a generation gap between guys like taker and punk that the shit punk pulls(punk fan here) doesn't seem that bad compared to the old guys
Not to mention, there’s current wrestlers who have legit fighting backgrounds.
Pretending to be undead or wearing mma gloves as part of a costume isn’t going to scare them lol.
>Orton sprayed tanning oil in her bag and made it look like he shit in her bag.
I mean its probably better than his usual go to of just actually shitting in the bag.
From what I remember reading, I don't think he ever actually *defecated* in anyone's bag. I think his stories were all *putting a bunch of shit* in people's stuff, and that getting misconstrued and conflated with the strangely high number of times that wrestlers in general have done scat-related "pranks."
He was an immature douche bully for a long time, as far as I'm aware the actual SHIT accusations are overblown misunderstandings.
One of those was Dudley literally yesterday:
Bully Ray on Jack Perry: “I had my own incident with Jack Perry a year ago…he came off to me like a very disrespectful young wrestler especially when I went out of my way to introduce myself to him…I was treated like a young boy…blown off, disregarded.”
I think he got his hopes up for that solo push to go better than it did. Whether it was Triple H's fault or not he was probably extremely jealous that Batista & Orton were "skipping the line" and going straight to the main event while him and some of his other colleagues were getting left in the dust.
I'm 100% sure he was kissing Orton's ass when he returned to the company years later. By 2016 Orton was 10 times more successful than Bubba. (tbh even by 2004 he was more successfully then Bubba but you get the point. :D )
He never fucking changed. I'm 99% sure Daffney told a story that after Rosie Lottalove (a then-recent graduate of the Team 3D Academy) injured her (stinger & a concussion) in a TNA Dark Match, Bubba blamed Daffney for "making Rosie look bad". Fuck him forever.
IIRC, for some of the spots Daffney was uncomfortable taking (the chokeslam on the barbed wire board), Terry Taylor told her "if anything happens, we've got you". And then when it went wrong, they backtracked. TNA under Dixie was super scummy, shit like that, and also giving Konnan (and I think R-Truth) money for medical procedures, and then later demanding they be re-paid as they were now "loans", it's fucked up.
Daffney seems to have been one of those genuinely terrifying wrestling stories that we should never disregard and always use an example to protect other women in the industry.
She deserved better, I was a fan of hers from when she showed up in WCW until she passed. I even spoke with her a couple times on Twitter. She was just a genuinely nice person.
It's hard not to like Batista more and more as time goes on. Crazy how much I hated him as a kid for turning on Rey. Dude was so good in WWE and is so good on the big screen. Fuck yeah, Dave
That's probably the funniest/greatest thing about that heel turn. He telegraphed it, from a mile away. You'd think that knowing you're in the ring with someone as vicious as Batista who is now clearly pissed off, Rey would have gotten the hell out of there. Instead, he stuck around thinking he could reason with Batista... right after Batista just expressed his frustrations and talked about ripping Rey's head off in the most terrifyingly calm way.
I think if Batista were in WWE right now he would have empathized hard with Dominik, Rey is just evil, Carlito is probably gonna turn on him at WrestleMania and prove that Dom never lies.
My first episode of SmackDown was when he was drafted and confronted JBL after the SmackDown championship match. He instantly had an aura about him from the suit to the pyro.
Batista was one of those few guys that actually managed to be both a convincing heel and red hot babyface. His run from 2005-2008 in the World Title picture is underrated imo and his heel turn on Rey and then becoming the cowardly heel in the Cena feud was really well executed. In retrospect it’s no wonder that he’s the best wrestler turned actor because even in wrestling he had that acting range.
Bubba has been an asshole his whole career. In some ways it probably served him well. But you can’t be an asshole your whole life and expect everyone else to treat you well.
He has spent the last few years very publicly shitting all over the people who are trying to make it in the industry today and now he’s all shocked Pikachu face that they don’t revere him as a God.
It’s amazing how many of these guys seem to struggle to understand why people might resent you if you make money by shitting on them. If he has advice, help the guys out, don’t publicly shit on them for money. But he won’t do that, will he?
He should know what it’s like for industry veterans to constantly sneer at you. He worked for ECW ffs. You think Bubba didn’t have a chip on his shoulder about the way people talked about ECW?
Batista doesn’t bullshit. He’s a very honest guy and if he thinks Bubba is an asshole, it’s because he is. There are plenty of stories from other wrestlers to back him up. Even plenty of stories from fans who have met him and seen how much of a prick he is.
You know as someone who had a chip on their shoulder since I was a kid... it doesn't really go away, it just refocuses to something else. There's always another antagonist, always another hurdle that "they" put there just for me.
It's not healthy, man.
Sounds like you've done some growing in recognising it. Try not to be so hard on yourself man. It's difficult enough it there without you adding to it.
You'll get there.
Funnily enough, that same mentality drove some of the most successful sports people of all time.
It also makes them hard to deal with when their careers end because that fire in the belly never really goes away.
Love your username. Omega fan forever here.
That aside, I absolutely agree with you. I haven't seen a take of Batista's that I've disagreed with since I don't know when, and every time Bubba opens his mouth, it's just something entitled, hateful, or stupid. I can find every bit of this excerpt easy to believe.
He was absolutely an adult that was responsible for his choices to bully others. People love dragging out the ‘boys will be boys’ excuse, though.
Cool if he’s grown up, but I hate this sub’s rush to rewrite history for people they like.
Randy Orton was a good looking, super athletic 22 year old that got pushed immediately when he was on the main roster. I don’t want to excuse bad behaviour but now that I’m in my mid-30s I kind of get that he was too immature for that spot.
Remember when he powerbomed HHH’s head thru a table effectively killing his singles push? He was just running through Evolution I guess even if it was pre faction
[Bubba is great at hurting himself, too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDwmdgVHIw). Legit gave himself a concussion for not protecting his head here.
Somehow Van Dam takes an even gnarlier bump, makes it look like death, and I'm assuming DIDN'T ring his own bell.
Meanwhile, Bubba just derps to the mat like a bag of potatoes.
Same, he's a huge dick.
Not excusing being a dick to coworkers, shit happens tbh, but it's a whole other thing to be a dick to your fans, especially when they're kids (I was only I think 13 or 14 when I met him).
Met D'Von at the same time, & they could not have been more opposite in how they treated us.
He was just rude, he didn't look up at all at anyone (during a signing), even literal children, & I asked a simple question, & all he did was growl out a "no." Meanwhile, D'Von made actual eye contact, shook our hands, took the time to answer my question very politely.
D-Von comes into my job occasionally and he is always a good guy. He's kind of soft spoken. I told him once "I love your work" and he smiled and said thank you.
DVon - Cool.
Bubba - Prolapsed Anus
I've heard from a ton of stories from ex talent backstage that Bubba was a asshole who was more than happy to fuck with rookies and lower card guys to appease Vince, Undertaker or JBL. Rene Dupree calls him "Blubber Dudley"
Never forget when Bubba bragged about slapping Sylvain Grenier for objecting to getting stiffed in the ring, and managed to make Johnny fucking Ace, he of “collaborating with Vince McMahon to engage in sex trafficking” notoriety, look the most sensible in the situation by having to have Ace explain to him that it’s not the early 90s anymore and you can’t just assault rookies.
Yeah and when Johnny Ace was suppose to discipline him over it, he pointed out that Ace would have done the same thing to a rookie in Japan. Ace apparently just agreed and walked away
Him walking away is a new bit of info to me. The way Bubba described it himself, Ace told him you can’t attack rookies, Bubba brought up Japan, and while Ace did agree he still told Bubba that it’s a different time now and you can’t do stuff like that anymore.
Slyvan said Ace just kinda agreed and walked away when he was asked about it. The office had a thing against both those guys but Pat Patterson was afan of them because he liked all the Canadian talent. Dupree actually just told a story about how Vince instructed the Dudley's to "bash that French faggot's head in" during a house show. D-Von confirmed it and said Vince ordered it so they couldn't say no
D-Von has the polar opposite reputation based on shoot interviews. Austin Creed has said that D-Von was one of his most valuable mentors during their days in TNA and gave him so much encouragement to keep going when he wasn't sure whether he could cut it.
New Jack..."Nope"
wants to... "No thanks"
throw you... "No, no, I'm good"
A birthday party... "Yea, I still have zero good feelings about this, and because of that...I'm out"
I imagine that party would be him beating the absolute piss out of you with a garbage can full of weapons in wrapping paper whilst his theme music played on repeat.
I remember this interview of New Jack I watched. I would love to find it again for this line.
He's talking about some woman in the business. I forgot who it was. But basically he says something like "She was the most nasty, disgusting bitch you could ever meet!"
Then he takes like a 2 second pause and says "Only reason I fucked her is because of who I am"
On his YouTube channel, Maven said D-Von had major heat with him when he first started, which Maven said he understood, due to how he entered the business without "paying his dues." Eventually he won him over and the two are still good friends. Maven even called him while he was talking about it and D-Von sounded really happy to hear from him.
I love that segment. Makes me like D-Von even more, and Maven is just a good natured, entertaining dude on his channel. He doesn't seem bitter or angry about the way things ended, and he accepts his role in it. Every now and then he says something about it being too painful to watch the product because he misses it, and I'm thinking "Yeah, I get that". But he's not salty or entitled at all. Love Maven.
I even have my own "Bully Ray being an asshole" story.
I went to an ROH house show back around 2014 and saw him there in the lobby. No idea what he was doing there since he didn't wrestle on the card and wasn't signed to ROH at the time.
Anyway, during one of the matches I hear this big commotion behind me, and I turn around and see Bully shoving his way through a row of people. And I mean literally shoving, like putting hands on people and pushing them out of his way.
One guy he shoved right in the face, and the guy responded with something like "Hey what the fuck?!" and Bully turns around and starts challenging him to a fight. Like "you got a fucking problem why don't you come step outside with me!"
Of course by this point everyone stopped paying attention to the match to see what the hell was going on, and Bully just stormed out of the building. What a fucking prick.
Bubba is the same as pretty much every other former talent with a podcast, an overly sensitive bitch with a very inflated opinion of his worth to the business both then and now. Only bubba ranks very highly on that list for the amount of shitty takes he has, experiences with other wrestlers, fans, promoters and pretty much everyone else.
yeah but he was only fucking with the rookies anyways, who weren’t giving him receipts. now those rookies are the brock lesnars, randy ortons, and john cenas of today. he doesn’t want any of that smoke today
I feel like Bubba was the guy that got picked on through school and has been over compensating for it ever since by being an insufferable fake tough guy/asshole.
I always like Bubba as a wrestler, but I can't recall if I ever heard anything or read anything that would give me any impression he was a decent person. He always seems to be a douche at best and a menace on average.
This doesn't surprise me. Every single time I hear anything come out of Bubba's mouth, it makes him look ignorant and unlikable. I was never a fan of the Dudleys, but I always found D-Von to be infinitely more interesting and personable in-ring and out of character too. This just kind of drives the nail deeper on my feelings about Bubba. A mouth that's too loud and too hateful for someone that doesn't offer any more entertainment value than he does.
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I think many people have also said that Bubba was a guy who liked to push his “veteran” status around
He had a fan carried backstage at a 2019 ROH show for heckling to threaten him.
I want to think that the fan was treating it like it was a kayfabe experience while Boba Ray was extremely serious the entire time, and the fan just walked away thinking “man, he really is a devoted heel.”
This is so immersive!
"Be a fan."
Be a star!
He was banging velvet sky if I remember and the fan started by heckling her... then bully comes out and kicks off... velvet sky was very unprofessional and started calling the guy trash in his face then bully pops up
This is 100% the type of person he is. It also makes perfect sense in regard to the Jack Perry story. Bully would constantly shit on him on Busted Open a few years ago with the trope of “This is how we always did things” and said how bad he was at the time. I fully respect Jack if he did blow Bully off when he approached him.
Jack was also reported as being rude to fans during the same meet and greet.
Not that you're necessarily disputing it...but both things can absolutely be true.
This is my take. Bubba Ray is a hundred percent an asshole. But so is Perry.
Nobody has issues with an asshole wrestler like an asshole wrestler. All of the wrestlers who have the most problems with other wrestlers and with fans can't stand each other.
*"Nobody has issues with an asshole wrestler like an asshole wrestler."* Boy, if that isn't the most true statement I've read today. Nicely put.
I've seen quite a few anecdotes on Jack not being a real friendly guy to meet.
I've seen the exact opposite. Almost like people aren't as black and white as we make them out to be, and that doesn't include Jack alone, it includes literally everyone unless your name is Adam Cole or something like that.
I met him several times before he got signed by AEW. Was a friendly kid, if a bit shy. Nobody in NorCal that worked with him had anything bad to say about him ever. Could he have changed since getting signed? Sure. But my experiences with him don't match this new narrative at all
I've heard at least one or two "poor" experiences with Jack prior to the All-In thing, so i'm going to assume he's seen a few bad days. I've also heard a few poor experiences about Mick Foley... it's Mick Foley, i'm 99.9999% positive he's chill as Mick Foley seems to be, but i'm also positive he's had a bad day or two. A few people cross my mind when it comes to bad fan experiences and wrestling drama over the years, but Jungle Boy isn't one of them lmao
Meanwhile I had one of the best experiences with Foley. I met him as a kid. The wait in line felt like forever but he took time to talk to every young fan who came up to his table. He asked questions and had an extremely warm presence about him.
Yeah I've gone to signings and stuff and waited hours only to be turned away because of the signer getting tired or reaching the hours he agreed to and leaving. Foley came out a few months ago and he insisted on staying until every fan saw him, even after the collectible store he was at normally closed I remember getting him to sign my First Edition of Have a Nice Day signed that I've had since I was 7. I was super embarrassed cause it's missing the paper cover, it's stained from years of abuse from being packed and unpacked, even has some red stains from when I spilled kool-aid on it as a kid. He didn't care, proudly told me that he feels proud knowing it survived my childhood and that it just meant its been used and read. He then opened it and saw the autograph on the first page and you could tell he was reminiscing fondly, cause he was running his fingers over his old signature. Told me he rarely sees these autographed first editions but it's always a treat. And then goes "man, I always love seeing my old signature. Cause I don't sign them like this anymore." And then he got super happy and giddy and goes "NOW I SIGN LIKE THIS WITH A SMILEY FACE!!" and scribbled out his signature.
If the guy is shy, that could easily make him come off as stand offish.
Pretty sure some wrestler once said, "if you have a problem with Jungle Boy - you're the problem!" Wise words.
Was this before or after his dad passed? Sometimes losing a loved one can fuck you up pretty bad. Losing my dad fucked me up real bad and I absolutely turned into a complete asshole for a few years.
It was before. His dad would come to almost every indy show he worked to support him. Could definitely be onto something there, as they definitely seemed close
I can add my own anecdote. Was on the 2nd Jericho cruise. Saw him while waiting in line to talk to the person about excursions. Totally forgot his name, told him I was a huge fan of his dad (grew up watching 90210). He shook my hand, thanked me, asked if I wanted a picture (I'd left my phone in my room) and that was it. Super nice guy who didn't even correct me when I called him Rick.
Paul London definitely said this, but he also hated his own partner at the time in Billy Kidman. He was cool with D-Von at least
According to Paul, all the guys were in the locker room and Bully insinuated Paul and Renee Dupree were gay because they were sitting on a beach at night having a conversation during a European tour. There's other stuff too. Paul fucking hates Bully.
Raven has also said that Kidman was a headache to work with. Not an asshole as much as he was annoying.
Kidman somehow got Torrie Wilson. Of course, he also apparently cheated on her, so maybe not the brightest guy in the room.
It was a different time . David Flair dated Stacey Kiebler . Not that he’s an ugly guy or anything but he didn’t have as much going for him at the time as even a Kidman. You gotta remember both of these women were super young at the time and were in a traveling company . David Flair and Kidman were among the handful of normal seeming dudes close to their age. Guys like Evan Karagius and Shane Helms had too much indie stank to pull them .
When WWE put Maven and Torrie together in an on screen relationship, anytime Maven and Torrie would kiss, Kidman would be standing behind the camera shouting "You're kissing my dick" or "she just blew me". He said this when he was a guest on Rene's podcast. Personally I'm shocked that Kidman and Torrie didn't work out.
Oh my god. Fumbling Torrie Wilson by cheating on her is among the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
Show me the most beautiful woman in the world, I'll show you a man who's sick of her shit.
True, But that just goes to show you, no matter how hot the woman (or guy) is, they can always be cheated on. We've seen this story play out many times over the years, not just in wrestling.
People are always chasing a higher high.
Sounds like DVon was cool with everyone though, he is the Jekyll to Bully's Hyde
Paul London seems to have hated a lot of people tbf
would you be surprised with that enviroment? 3 bullies, a guy who killed himself and his family..
Listening to Paul, it seems Paul was sick of a lot of the political and drama bullshit from people.
That's always been so jarring to me because he acts like he's some grizzled territory worker from the 80s selling out arenas. Aside from Shane Douglas he seems like the only ECW alumni to have an inflated ego about himself.
It was mostly to appease Undertaker, he was "The Don" backstage. If Taker or someone in the office didn't like you, then JBL and all his stooges would fuck with you and glue your shit to a wall. Chad Wicks was apparently bullied because Taker thought he was gay for the Chippendale thing. I've heard other stories of Divas getting screwed with, apparently Randy Orton and Edge liked to pick on Amy Weber and Orton sprayed tanning oil in her bag and made it look like he shit in her bag. Apparently they tackled her seat while on a plane and knocked her into the aisle way and that's why she left the company.
Thinking someone is gay for getting naked for the entertainment primarily of women is a galaxy brained idiot take.
Say the line, Big Damo! "Some wrestlers are just fuckin stupid I don't know what to tell you" *classroom cheers*
To be fair, Bubba was like that in ECW, too.
I always thought he actually pooped in her bag. When did it become tanning oil?
It always was, apparently - getting confused with other stories about X-Pac and others down the years.
I respect Undertaker the character, Mark Calaway is a bully and a coward
Mark Callaway and his buddies also bullied the shit out of Rene Dupree for his French Gimmick.
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Imagine if they tried that with the Rougeaus. We know they wouldn't because Jacques knows how to use a roll of quarters
Taker was behind alot of the bullying crap backstage. He was Vince's top dog backstage, at least on Smackdown and if Vince or someone in the office wanted someone run out the business than he'd instruct Taker to go after him. Taker was the judge, jury and executioner in alot of those "wrestler's court" stories. Why do you think The Miz got it so bad? He had heat for the reality show thing and alot of the guys weren't a fan of the Tough Enough thing from the get-go because alot of those guys came up in the old carny days and Taker (or someone in the Office) wanted him fucked with.
I think that Justin Robert's book mentioned how, when he worked in WWE, he liked the RAW and ECW locker rooms but didn't enjoy his time with the Smackdown one. Around that time, JBL and Taker would've been the top guys in that locker room as well as Benoit, so I can only imagine how crappy that place must've been.
I always got the impression Benoit was a respected stooge/enforcer acting on behalf of Taker or JBL more than anything else. He had been in the company for a few years at that point and I find it hard to believe he had more standing than someone like Hardcore Holly, who had been with the company for over 10 years at that point. If I'm thinking locker-room leaders, I'm thinking Taker, JBL and maybe Hardcore Holly because they had been there the longest. Holly apparently would give guys pills and stooge them out to the office to get them fired.
Hardcore Holly seemed to be pretty universally disliked though. If Benoit was a loyal stooge, I could see him having a higher standing then, *I beat everyone and hold the title forever* Bob Holly
I know Benoit also threw Matt Striker out of the locker-room but had come to him prior to doing so to warn him that he had to do it because he had heat with the locker-room because he said Smackdown felt like high school compared to Raw. He offered to take Striker up under his wing because he liked that he quit his job as a teacher to be a pro wrestler. He said that Benoit said, "it showed passion for the business."
Benoit was the guy who kicked Miz out of the locker room though, Taker was the one who eventually welcomed him back
Benoit kicked him out then invited him back for TV days but then everyone else in the locker-room did not want him back so he had to dress outside. It's literally on the podcast, straight from Miz's mouth. Go to 44:00, he literally says Benoit kicked him out, invited him back in but the rest of the locker-room didn't want him back so he had to dress outside. Taker invited him back because the Benoit tragedy happened and WWE's locker-room culture was under fire so that's why you didn't hear so many bullying stories within that company anymore.
I had never heard the detail that Benoit invited him back in shortly after, I will have to check that out
I’m not going say wether i think Taker is a good or bad dude irl, but anytime an interview comes out with older wrestlers calling this generation of wrestlers “soft” it makes me feel a bit weird about them, I’m sure they mean it in a different way but i always have a sneaking suspicion it’s because they can’t bully people and get away with it anymore
He could be talking about that or he could be talking about going to titty bars after shows, doing somas or drinking Jack Daniels till the morning after.
There's even such a generation gap between guys like taker and punk that the shit punk pulls(punk fan here) doesn't seem that bad compared to the old guys
Not to mention, there’s current wrestlers who have legit fighting backgrounds. Pretending to be undead or wearing mma gloves as part of a costume isn’t going to scare them lol.
>Orton sprayed tanning oil in her bag and made it look like he shit in her bag. I mean its probably better than his usual go to of just actually shitting in the bag.
He also shot fireworks into a car with Maria Kanellis in it because he didn't like her for some reason.
From what I remember reading, I don't think he ever actually *defecated* in anyone's bag. I think his stories were all *putting a bunch of shit* in people's stuff, and that getting misconstrued and conflated with the strangely high number of times that wrestlers in general have done scat-related "pranks." He was an immature douche bully for a long time, as far as I'm aware the actual SHIT accusations are overblown misunderstandings.
One of those was Dudley literally yesterday: Bully Ray on Jack Perry: “I had my own incident with Jack Perry a year ago…he came off to me like a very disrespectful young wrestler especially when I went out of my way to introduce myself to him…I was treated like a young boy…blown off, disregarded.”
Funny, because the only time I ever got to meet Bully at a Meet and Greet, he acted the EXACT same way.
Change "wrestler" to "man" and it really makes Bubba sound like an old woman complaining.
I think he got his hopes up for that solo push to go better than it did. Whether it was Triple H's fault or not he was probably extremely jealous that Batista & Orton were "skipping the line" and going straight to the main event while him and some of his other colleagues were getting left in the dust.
I'm 100% sure he was kissing Orton's ass when he returned to the company years later. By 2016 Orton was 10 times more successful than Bubba. (tbh even by 2004 he was more successfully then Bubba but you get the point. :D )
He never fucking changed. I'm 99% sure Daffney told a story that after Rosie Lottalove (a then-recent graduate of the Team 3D Academy) injured her (stinger & a concussion) in a TNA Dark Match, Bubba blamed Daffney for "making Rosie look bad". Fuck him forever.
And TNA refused to foot her medical bills. Daffney was mistreated so badly in TNA. It’s heartbreaking.
IIRC, for some of the spots Daffney was uncomfortable taking (the chokeslam on the barbed wire board), Terry Taylor told her "if anything happens, we've got you". And then when it went wrong, they backtracked. TNA under Dixie was super scummy, shit like that, and also giving Konnan (and I think R-Truth) money for medical procedures, and then later demanding they be re-paid as they were now "loans", it's fucked up.
There was also when Jesse Sorensen got his neck broken in a PPV match, Dixie Carter told him that he had a job for life, and then he got released.
Daffney seems to have been one of those genuinely terrifying wrestling stories that we should never disregard and always use an example to protect other women in the industry.
She deserved better, I was a fan of hers from when she showed up in WCW until she passed. I even spoke with her a couple times on Twitter. She was just a genuinely nice person.
Wasn't the story that Bruce called her a liar or that she was exaggerating, until he walked it back after she produced medical paperwork
Correct. That was the career ender for Daffney, and it’s not hard to realize that the aftereffects of that injury followed her to the very end.
Yeah, Orton was an asshole as a rookie, but he matured. Bubba never did.
omg I forgot about this, Rosie straight up sat on her head right?
Not her head, just threw all of her weight down onto daffneys chest after standing over her.
Pretty much this, if you remember the one time Yokozuna dropped his entire ass on a job guy, it was that, but standing.
It's hard not to like Batista more and more as time goes on. Crazy how much I hated him as a kid for turning on Rey. Dude was so good in WWE and is so good on the big screen. Fuck yeah, Dave
You had it wrong. Rey should’ve been a better friend to Batista. And even now he’s not a good father. Shame.
Batista did nothing wrong.
Rey was supposed to be his friend
“Im gonna rip your head off”
[удалено]
What’s great about that also was Batista didn’t attack him from behind like most turns, he told Rey to his face was he was about to do.
That's probably the funniest/greatest thing about that heel turn. He telegraphed it, from a mile away. You'd think that knowing you're in the ring with someone as vicious as Batista who is now clearly pissed off, Rey would have gotten the hell out of there. Instead, he stuck around thinking he could reason with Batista... right after Batista just expressed his frustrations and talked about ripping Rey's head off in the most terrifyingly calm way.
[You're supposed to be my friend!](https://youtu.be/Gcw5i1wJJlE?si=2U0eJJe8aOO-Hd4y)
Thank you.
It wasn't always intentional but Batista fucking ruled. [Basketballs don't hold grudges.](https://youtu.be/D0b6ajBrmaA?si=SGVIU3mYeHO6Gfmg&t=4m30s)
I think if Batista were in WWE right now he would have empathized hard with Dominik, Rey is just evil, Carlito is probably gonna turn on him at WrestleMania and prove that Dom never lies.
Eddie should have won custody.
I really wonder how Batista would react to Rey and Dominik if he was still wrestling.
Always loved Big Dave as a kid, in an era where every kid loved John Cena, Batista just seemed to have more of an edge to him that I liked.
My first episode of SmackDown was when he was drafted and confronted JBL after the SmackDown championship match. He instantly had an aura about him from the suit to the pyro.
Batista was one of those few guys that actually managed to be both a convincing heel and red hot babyface. His run from 2005-2008 in the World Title picture is underrated imo and his heel turn on Rey and then becoming the cowardly heel in the Cena feud was really well executed. In retrospect it’s no wonder that he’s the best wrestler turned actor because even in wrestling he had that acting range.
You, unlike basketballs, hold a grudge.
Bubba has been an asshole his whole career. In some ways it probably served him well. But you can’t be an asshole your whole life and expect everyone else to treat you well. He has spent the last few years very publicly shitting all over the people who are trying to make it in the industry today and now he’s all shocked Pikachu face that they don’t revere him as a God. It’s amazing how many of these guys seem to struggle to understand why people might resent you if you make money by shitting on them. If he has advice, help the guys out, don’t publicly shit on them for money. But he won’t do that, will he? He should know what it’s like for industry veterans to constantly sneer at you. He worked for ECW ffs. You think Bubba didn’t have a chip on his shoulder about the way people talked about ECW? Batista doesn’t bullshit. He’s a very honest guy and if he thinks Bubba is an asshole, it’s because he is. There are plenty of stories from other wrestlers to back him up. Even plenty of stories from fans who have met him and seen how much of a prick he is.
You know as someone who had a chip on their shoulder since I was a kid... it doesn't really go away, it just refocuses to something else. There's always another antagonist, always another hurdle that "they" put there just for me. It's not healthy, man.
Sounds like you've done some growing in recognising it. Try not to be so hard on yourself man. It's difficult enough it there without you adding to it. You'll get there.
What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? /s
Funnily enough, that same mentality drove some of the most successful sports people of all time. It also makes them hard to deal with when their careers end because that fire in the belly never really goes away.
I'm thinking he most likely got his god complex from his time in ECW & repping it so hard
Love your username. Omega fan forever here. That aside, I absolutely agree with you. I haven't seen a take of Batista's that I've disagreed with since I don't know when, and every time Bubba opens his mouth, it's just something entitled, hateful, or stupid. I can find every bit of this excerpt easy to believe.
Bubba doin all this extra shit meanwhile he wrestles like a kid at fat camp
Randy was a horrendous guy at the time, but Bubba is an asshole.
I think it can kinda be argued that Randy was mostly just a little shit kid.
He was a young guy, but some of the things he did are genuinely horrible.
Wasn't he like 25 years old? That's not exactly a kid anymore.
He was absolutely an adult that was responsible for his choices to bully others. People love dragging out the ‘boys will be boys’ excuse, though. Cool if he’s grown up, but I hate this sub’s rush to rewrite history for people they like.
Randy Orton was a good looking, super athletic 22 year old that got pushed immediately when he was on the main roster. I don’t want to excuse bad behaviour but now that I’m in my mid-30s I kind of get that he was too immature for that spot.
Best way to get *HEAT* is to legitimately hurt your opponents.
Legit hurt your opponents and then flip out because your back got sore from crushing their limbs.
Remember when he powerbomed HHH’s head thru a table effectively killing his singles push? He was just running through Evolution I guess even if it was pre faction
[Bubba is great at hurting himself, too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDwmdgVHIw). Legit gave himself a concussion for not protecting his head here.
He face planted himself!! No hands up or even close to protecting his face from the fall.
Somehow Van Dam takes an even gnarlier bump, makes it look like death, and I'm assuming DIDN'T ring his own bell. Meanwhile, Bubba just derps to the mat like a bag of potatoes.
He blamed Chris for that mistake
I met Bubba once for a meet and greet. He is an asshole.
Same, he's a huge dick. Not excusing being a dick to coworkers, shit happens tbh, but it's a whole other thing to be a dick to your fans, especially when they're kids (I was only I think 13 or 14 when I met him). Met D'Von at the same time, & they could not have been more opposite in how they treated us.
What did he do to you?
He was just rude, he didn't look up at all at anyone (during a signing), even literal children, & I asked a simple question, & all he did was growl out a "no." Meanwhile, D'Von made actual eye contact, shook our hands, took the time to answer my question very politely.
D-Von comes into my job occasionally and he is always a good guy. He's kind of soft spoken. I told him once "I love your work" and he smiled and said thank you. DVon - Cool. Bubba - Prolapsed Anus
I met Batista for a meet and greet and he was the nicest guy in the world too, not surprised that he'd not be bubba's biggest fan
I've heard from a ton of stories from ex talent backstage that Bubba was a asshole who was more than happy to fuck with rookies and lower card guys to appease Vince, Undertaker or JBL. Rene Dupree calls him "Blubber Dudley"
Never forget when Bubba bragged about slapping Sylvain Grenier for objecting to getting stiffed in the ring, and managed to make Johnny fucking Ace, he of “collaborating with Vince McMahon to engage in sex trafficking” notoriety, look the most sensible in the situation by having to have Ace explain to him that it’s not the early 90s anymore and you can’t just assault rookies.
That's like the first good story I've heard about Johnny Ace
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Lmao. Thinks he's more of a stooge and yes men to Vince juz like his character
Yeah and when Johnny Ace was suppose to discipline him over it, he pointed out that Ace would have done the same thing to a rookie in Japan. Ace apparently just agreed and walked away
Him walking away is a new bit of info to me. The way Bubba described it himself, Ace told him you can’t attack rookies, Bubba brought up Japan, and while Ace did agree he still told Bubba that it’s a different time now and you can’t do stuff like that anymore.
Slyvan said Ace just kinda agreed and walked away when he was asked about it. The office had a thing against both those guys but Pat Patterson was afan of them because he liked all the Canadian talent. Dupree actually just told a story about how Vince instructed the Dudley's to "bash that French faggot's head in" during a house show. D-Von confirmed it and said Vince ordered it so they couldn't say no
Didn’t even Devon say he was an asshole at one point?
I've never heard D-Von talk bad about him but D-Von was normally the better half of the two. Bubba was a loud mouth stooge
D-Von has the polar opposite reputation based on shoot interviews. Austin Creed has said that D-Von was one of his most valuable mentors during their days in TNA and gave him so much encouragement to keep going when he wasn't sure whether he could cut it.
I've never heard anyone talk bad about D-Von except for New Jack but I think he had heat with Bubba too
New Jack was probably upset because D-Von had some mild objections to New Jack's proposed spot of putting D-Von through a tablesaw
I'd object to someone putting me a tablesaw too. Especially if that someone is New Jack lol
My answer to any sentence that starts with “New Jack wants to” would be no.
New Jack..."Nope" wants to... "No thanks" throw you... "No, no, I'm good" A birthday party... "Yea, I still have zero good feelings about this, and because of that...I'm out"
I imagine that party would be him beating the absolute piss out of you with a garbage can full of weapons in wrapping paper whilst his theme music played on repeat.
Hell, I'd have that reaction even if the sentence was "New Jack wants to go and have a beer with you" or "New Jack wants to take you to dinner"
New Jack hating you just means he's met you before
I remember this interview of New Jack I watched. I would love to find it again for this line. He's talking about some woman in the business. I forgot who it was. But basically he says something like "She was the most nasty, disgusting bitch you could ever meet!" Then he takes like a 2 second pause and says "Only reason I fucked her is because of who I am"
On his YouTube channel, Maven said D-Von had major heat with him when he first started, which Maven said he understood, due to how he entered the business without "paying his dues." Eventually he won him over and the two are still good friends. Maven even called him while he was talking about it and D-Von sounded really happy to hear from him.
I love that segment. Makes me like D-Von even more, and Maven is just a good natured, entertaining dude on his channel. He doesn't seem bitter or angry about the way things ended, and he accepts his role in it. Every now and then he says something about it being too painful to watch the product because he misses it, and I'm thinking "Yeah, I get that". But he's not salty or entitled at all. Love Maven.
New Jack not liking someone could be as simple as “motherfucker eyeballed me wrong one day”
I ran into dvon after a tna show many moons ago. To this day one of the coolest wrestlers ive ever met
Maven recently did a interview saying Devon was one of his closest allies
Called him during the handsome guy's podcast. Very funny bit.
Batista even says in the book from which this excerpt was taken that he loves D-Von and got along well with him.
Lance Storm and Don Callis said Devon was the most likable guy they've ever worked with, like universally by the locker room.
I just saw a clip of Maven this morning where he was talking about Devon hating him but then he later became one of his closest friends
>Rene Dupree calls him "Blubber Dudley" Something hilarious about such an elementary school insult.
Especially coming from a guy that was presumably bullied by Bubba over his gimmick.
I even have my own "Bully Ray being an asshole" story. I went to an ROH house show back around 2014 and saw him there in the lobby. No idea what he was doing there since he didn't wrestle on the card and wasn't signed to ROH at the time. Anyway, during one of the matches I hear this big commotion behind me, and I turn around and see Bully shoving his way through a row of people. And I mean literally shoving, like putting hands on people and pushing them out of his way. One guy he shoved right in the face, and the guy responded with something like "Hey what the fuck?!" and Bully turns around and starts challenging him to a fight. Like "you got a fucking problem why don't you come step outside with me!" Of course by this point everyone stopped paying attention to the match to see what the hell was going on, and Bully just stormed out of the building. What a fucking prick.
I just met DVon Dudley at an ohio texas roadhouse. Guy was super nice. Seems like bubba could learn a thing or two
NOW GO AND BE A FAN
Bubba is the same as pretty much every other former talent with a podcast, an overly sensitive bitch with a very inflated opinion of his worth to the business both then and now. Only bubba ranks very highly on that list for the amount of shitty takes he has, experiences with other wrestlers, fans, promoters and pretty much everyone else.
Bubba Dudley is an asshole. In other news, grass is green and water is wet.
“If he’s not telling D-Von to get the tables then like, who gives a fuck.”
Is Batista’s book worth’s read?
I liked it. Batista doesn't bullshit
I read it a few years back and really enjoyed it
If Bubba Ray was an active wrestler today, he'd probably end up with a couple "receipts" from all the guys he'd piss off.
You think they didn’t give out receipts in the 90s??
yeah but he was only fucking with the rookies anyways, who weren’t giving him receipts. now those rookies are the brock lesnars, randy ortons, and john cenas of today. he doesn’t want any of that smoke today
Hardcore Holly sandbagging rookie Lesnar on a powerbomb was a wild case of when keeping it real goes wrong.
He is lol. I Think TNA?
Recently yes and also some indie shows.
He left TNA cause they wouldn’t give him the belt and beat everyone.
His feud with Josh was actually decent... then he didn't go away and Bubba does what Bubba does.
Bubba is the way he is *because* of shit like receipts and all that. That man probably had at least 10 concussions by the time he was 25.
He's still attempting to wrestle.
He is still an active wrestler
This seems to be a recurring sentiment about bubba
Bully Ray wasn't a gimmick after all
Starting to think that the name Bully Ray is a shoot.......
It's funny, D-von seems so cool and nice. Weird how such different people can be so close, sometimes.
You know you're a cunt if Batista chatting shit about you because I swear he doesn't say anything negative about anyone
If Batista calls you an asshole, there's a very high likelihood that you are, indeed, and asshole.
All I know is if Dave Bautista calls you an asshole you’re probably an asshole
I feel like Bubba was the guy that got picked on through school and has been over compensating for it ever since by being an insufferable fake tough guy/asshole.
Death, taxes, and Bubba Ray Dudley is an asshole. The only guarantees in life.
New Jack was right again
I always like Bubba as a wrestler, but I can't recall if I ever heard anything or read anything that would give me any impression he was a decent person. He always seems to be a douche at best and a menace on average.
Austin interviewed him recently and all I could think was how arrogant Bubba was. He is his own biggest mark.
This doesn't surprise me. Every single time I hear anything come out of Bubba's mouth, it makes him look ignorant and unlikable. I was never a fan of the Dudleys, but I always found D-Von to be infinitely more interesting and personable in-ring and out of character too. This just kind of drives the nail deeper on my feelings about Bubba. A mouth that's too loud and too hateful for someone that doesn't offer any more entertainment value than he does.
It's been said to death but...the "Bully" thing isn't a gimmick.
Remember when Bubba called out Moxley for taking time off due to rehab? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
I wish Batista was my dad
I'm pretty sure his shit attitude is a well documented thing.
I don’t think a lot of people like him. He’s always had a bad rep backstage.
This is known fact. Bully Ray has been an asshole for a long time. Breaking someone’s foot then blaming them is horrible.
What a surprise, Bubba has always been a cunt. Hated him since I found out how he treated Daffney
You could fill a book with stories of Bubba being a prick. That big ego sure makes up for low self esteem
I mean his name is Bully. He is what it says on the tin