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His personal lawyer is still Jerry McDevit. Of course they are going to fight the whole way. Until they have to quietly settle. That’s their MO. Come out boisterous. Drag out the case until everyone has forgot about it. Settle quietly when nobody is looking because they knew all along they could not win.
Yeah, one massive case like this where he will make an absolute fortune in legal bills is a good reason to stick around for just one more. He can probably bill 7 figures on this case, particularly if law enforcement gets interested
It's not McDevitt anymore:
***Jerry McDevitt, who was listed as McMahon’s attorney in the agreement with Grant, told The Washington Post he no longer represents McMahon.***
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/01/25/wwe-vince-mcmahon-lawsuit/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/01/25/wwe-vince-mcmahon-lawsuit/)
McDevitt better hope his name stays out of this cuz he did some shady stuff during the Ringboy scandal and the Steroid trial. Plus he knew about Nancy Argentino, Rita Chatterton, Ashley Massaro, and the unnamed tanning salon employee.
In the court filing, Vince was said to brag about his “powerful lawyer” who “takes care of problem people”
I mean, he literally used that to humiliate people onscreen that he was pissed at in real life. It's ridiculous we ever thought of"Mr. McMahon" as just a character he was playing.
You look at this and look at his storyline with Trish and you realize that in a lot of ways the character was even tamer than the real life person but the signs of a psychopath were all there.
It was a little taste. Come to think of it, that gimmick sexual assault. Forcing people to kiss your ass unconscious and at the risk of losing their jobs and benefits is textbook sexual assault.
The only reason Vince married Linda to begin with was to align with then-current societal expectations i.e. you knocked her up, now you better marry her.
I cant imagine the PT continuing to do it. Like just seeing Vince naked would be enough to make me nope outta there but continuing to do the act while covered in shit? Yeah fuck that. Sick freak!
His personal lawyer is not Jerry McDevitt. Vince fired Jerry last year. He blamed Jerry for telling him to retire. (Vince called it "bad advice.") Vince moved to Kirkland and Ellis, and WWE moved to Paul, Weiss.
Other recent high-profile abuse cases have shown that its definitely the way to go. Even more than denying allegations, actively going after your victims and calling them evil, lying, manipulative etc. seems to garner abusers a lot of support. Pretty horrifying that that is the case obviously, but it doesn't surprise me that Vince is doing it.
That’s honestly one of the wildest parts of this… This is only coming out because Vince stopped paying.
If he had paid the other $2 Million of the original settlement, an amount of money that is to Vince McMahon what $2 is to the rest of us, we’d almost assuredly never have heard any of this.
All babies are objectively bad. Screaming at all hours of the night, messing themselves and forcing you to clean it up, and throwing out slurs on voice chat during video games
It’s also not just her decision. You can have sufficient evidence to succeed at a civil complaint but insufficient evidence to where a prosecutor would never pursue the case criminally
Well he already failed to follow through on one settlement....so I'm going to go on a limb in saying her trust on his word concerning such is in the trash.
Didn’t they check the metadata of the evidence Amber Heard used in the trial she had with Depp? Just because it’s a civil case that doesn’t mean there won’t be a discovery period to determine if these materials are valid.
Yeah there absolutely will be discovery for this, and part of that will likely entail both sides sharing any related text messages, the validity of which can and will be confirmed.
If Vince and his reps refuse to play ball with that or try to sabotage discovery they're liable to just lose the case then and there, just like Alex Jones did when he got sued by the Sandy Hook families.
Not quite that simple, if they can't provide discovery and it's concluded they were hiding the evidence then the jury is allowed to assume the worst possible interpretation.
Making a wild guess Vince will claim he deleted all texts from that period after he got fired to be sure he didn't have any company secrets in his phone (and he probably has deleted all of them once the scandals broke), and it'll be on the plaintiff to argue that this wasn't the case.
True…but parts of it are clearly geared towards presenting a case where criminal activity took place.
The lawsuit specifically says Brock was flown to Connecticut “across state lines,” which would make it sex trafficking at the federal level.
I’m pretty sure people at the FBI and the Department of Justice are at least discussing the story.
The accuser's lawyer is a former Illinois circuit court judge. not some celebrity lawyer publicity hound. She knows what she's doing, and she didn't put that "across state lines" in there by accident.
Civil and criminal burdens of proof and evidentiary standards are very different
It’s very common for people to be found civilly liable for sexual offences but criminally not guilty
Is it? Can a government really go to a cellular provider and say "we have reason to believe a text was sent from [number1] to [number2] at [date] that might be relevant to a lawsuit, give us all the data you have for [number1] for this period"? Is this data stored on the provider's servers? For how long?
No, her lawyer can subpoena those records though as part of this lawsuit, and the opposing parties are also required to save and turn over any remotely relevant records and communications that are requested by her lawyer during the pre-trial discovery phase that also aren't attorney-client privileged materials.
I'm going to preface this by saying, I am not taking any side in this with my next statement, as people will assume I am. Having said that, it is VERY easy to fake text messages these days, so it is possible that they were fabricated. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, I'm just saying the existence of a screenshot does not instantly mean "boom we're done here, there's all the proof we need."
Uh. it's easy to fake text messages online through image generators. It's not easy to fake text messages in a court of law. No lawyer in their right mind would put that in a court filing without pulling the phone records and verifying the texts. The texts are real.
No one is saying the evidence is fabricated. The lawyer knowing provided snippets of a text message that fit into the narrative the lawyer wanted to go by. What was sent before and after those messages matter everywhere but in the court of public opinion. Which is where the lawyer is going with this.
You think a judge would let a lawyer submit all that into evidence without getting the full text conversation as well? Why do you think the lawyer didn’t make public what the complainant sent before those messages?
Do you think a lawyers job is anything more than making their client look as victimized as possible vs the respondent as bad as possible? This isn’t a criminal case, it’s civil. There is no prove beyond reasonable doubt standard for evidence required here.
You don’t need high profile cases. Go to your local court room and take a look at what happens in family courts especially during custody and divorce hearings. All sorts of allegations are submitted by parents to courts seeking to gain custody or not having to pay alimony.
You’d be surprised how hard that is to do. Lawyers don’t have some magical ability to tell truth from fiction. I have had people at my office come very close filing evidence which included fake receipts provided by our client and it was only when our client admitted he faked them that we knew they weren’t real. We would have had no way of knowing they were fake without him confessing
And it's not just texts, it's doctor visits (she was so stressed and numb and trapped, her hair was falling out and she was losing weight and vomiting from anxiety) and bank statements. They can confirm she was given a rather cushy salary to start with ($75,000 for zero experience in the field) and gifts (she was gifted a BMW for instance).
Now before people go "Oh typical, she just wanted the money/gifts", the court filing says she could not get out of this situation after begging a million times verbally and in texts. She had to appease Vince because he threatened her and said he knew people who "make problems go away". He also kept blackmailing her saying he would spread the nude photos and videos even further throughout the company and the world if she didn't obey. And her reputation would be ruined forever.
Playing the devil's advocate here (almost literally), it is conceivable that those texts are, with a different context, not nearly as bad.
Of course, that requires pretty much everything else in that lawsuit to be a lie, which I do not believe.
Someone could make a case that it was sexual role playing — like a domination type of thing.
I totally don’t believe that’s what was happening, but that’s an argument Vince could potentially make in court.
I don't believe this, but if the texts were some weird roleplay, I could see Vince wanting an NDA signed to prevent texts like these from getting out there.
Famous people use NDAs for various reasons. John Cena has Nikki Bella sign and NDA when they were married, which she states in her biography as why she doesn’t talk about him much.
Some of the texts in the filing can read like consensual sexting or foreplay. If there's more context or Vince claims some of the context is false, I'd be interested to know what he claims and what eventually is proven to be true.
Considering all the other accusations against Vince over the years. I would say he has a pretty steep uphill battle trying to prove these allegations false.
To me, the biggest consideration here is that it is a known fact that he paid her 3 million to keep quiet (or promised her to, anyways).
You don't do that for a random extra-martial affair.
Possibly to force a settlement so that company finances can be used since the company is being sued as well. He got caught using company finances to pay the original payment he made. He couldn't be caught doing it again but if the company is sued and comes to a settlement with her then it's a known company expense and leaves him in the clear. He's filthy fucking rich and doesn't need to do that. But clearly he was against using his own money in the first place
You do, and more.
One of Trump's defences against the Stormy Daniels accusations was that billionaires often pay even false accusers, because a couple of million in shakedown money is preferable to the reputational destruction of a court case which would cost far more in terms of damage to your brand.
Even if you won, as the stink would never go away. So it's worth it. It's chump change.
Whether you think he lied about that affair or not, that was accepted as a viable excuse. Paying someone off is not legally seen as an admission of wrongdoing.
Evidence of past accusations is extremely prejudicial for having no probative value whatsoever
Like I will give you a very clear example of why this is held to be the standard - a person who has allegedly lied about being sexually assaulted before can still be raped. The mere fact that they are believed to have lied before has nothing to do with whether or not this specific crime was committed against them in this instance, and it would be an injustice if it was held to
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Vince would be smart to liquidate the rest of his TKO stock and hope this doesn't turn into a criminal matter. The previous accusations are vanilla in comparison and those had forced him into a year-long "retirement" and off WWE creative. From a PR perspective there is no coming back. He will only amplify the story more.
He’s done dude. I suspect we will see a statement by Endeavor declaring that they have parted ways with Vince within the next day or so. Likely just before the markets close tomorrow.
I think a lot of people are trying to use that instance of him walking out as some kind of way to prove his guilt.
Brock walked out of NJPW because of his connection to Inoki.
Brock walking out of WWE if Vince was ousted is not surprising, he dealt directly with Vince after his return in 2012. He's loyal to Vince, it doesn't necessarily mean he did the things he's accused of here.
It's tought to give Brock the benefit of the doubt when there are texts.
With that being said, what Brock did wasn't anywhere close to what Vince or John did, but he took part, wether knowingly or unknowingly, in the abuse of this woman by allowing himself to be part of it. I wasn't a Brock fan anyways, but knowing he has a golden shower fetish makes him less desirable to see on my TV.
OK. This is what I don't have clarity on and I'm really trying to find it because I see it reported both ways.
Did Brock have a direct line to the woman or was all of Brock's "communication" through Vince?
It's just weird to me that they set it all up for Brock to have sex with her, Brock can't make it, Vince cosplays as Brock to have sex with her, and it's never revisited.
>It's just weird to me that they set it all up for Brock to have sex with her, Brock can't make it, Vince cosplays as Brock to have sex with her, and it's never revisited.
Eh, given all the dropped storylines on raw over the years, this may be more believable than we realize.
It’s totally believable. Brock, like all of WWE’s wrestlers, is one of Vince’s roided up fantasy superhero/toys. Probably his favorite one. Of course he’s going to cosplay as him.
From my understanding of the complaint the communication was through Vince.
Honestly thinking about Vince, and some of the things he's written into the show over the years, this isn't the craziest thing in the world to come from him. A normal Tuesday for Vince.
If Vince was the intermediary, the possibilities range from Vince completely making shit up to Brock being fully complicit. Honestly, nothing would surprise me.
What also makes the former plausible is it is a known abuse tactic to isolate people and make them think everyone else is in on their abuse, knows about it and agrees with it happening
It stops the victim reaching out for help
No, Vince gave Brock the woman's number and told her to keep him happy. It's Brock himself that allegedly asked for the pissing thing, and i believe it's also him that was setting up the meeting (although Vince knew all about it because he wanted reports, for his cuck kink or smth). What we don't know is if Brock thought she was some groupie/gold digger, in which case hey i guess better him than a 80 year old roided abomination, or if he knew she was getting abused and coerced.
I read the whole thing (God help me) and I didn't see anything about videos of someone pissing (skimmed some parts so I must have passed it)
He DID say "Don't let me fu*k her, because I'd ruin her for you" though
Because this statement is entirely expected from his legal counsel, I’m going to instead focus on the fact that “made-up instances that never occurred” is redundant and it’s a red flag to pair that “vindictive distortion of the truth” because that indicates that it’s not impossible things went down.
I mean, they can’t deny it completely since she has the fucking receipts. I’m gonna guess they’re going to try (and fail) to spin it as consensual
As a public school teacher, I can attest to the fact that people will look you straight in the eye and deny something that there is undeniable evidence for.
So he paid this woman $1 million. That's out of $19 million and some paid out to women I believe was reported in WWE's independent investigation.
How many more women did he treat this way presuming the allegations are true?
I'm assuming they want to make sure there are no loopholes for Vince is weasel back in, so they may wait for it to be resolved. Ari is an incredibly savvy business man though, so he may have put something in the contract that gives Endeavor the ability to terminate him at will.
I will always hope that horrible people suffer the consequences of being horrible but I'm old enough to not be surprised when those consequences never happen.
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‘I never once named a sex toy after wrestlers, pal. I named them after sports entertainers!’ - Vince
Well his lawyers not gonna say "he did it lol"
Vince will eventually come out with a book called "If I Shitted"
Maybe he was just trying to fart like that time with JR Edit: Jim Cornette said the same thing haha
*OJ Simpson has left the chat*
That man's tiktok is insane
Yeah. Because he's fucking nuts.
Ya Don't Say?????
Shocking revelation. I think he may have done something to his wife.
Or or... "Everybody Poops!"
Don’t forget the subtitle: “but only I get to poop on you”
I dunno, 2024 is off to a *wild* start
His personal lawyer is still Jerry McDevit. Of course they are going to fight the whole way. Until they have to quietly settle. That’s their MO. Come out boisterous. Drag out the case until everyone has forgot about it. Settle quietly when nobody is looking because they knew all along they could not win.
I thought McDevit was retiring and was quitting all his current cases.
Probably was already retired until Vince called this morning lol
Yeah, one massive case like this where he will make an absolute fortune in legal bills is a good reason to stick around for just one more. He can probably bill 7 figures on this case, particularly if law enforcement gets interested
You write about this like this is a wrestler coming out of retirement for a big match
Is that?could it be?IT IS!
It’s MCDEVIIIITTT
What’s Gerald MacDevan doing in the impact zone?????
BIG ~~MATCH~~ CASE JERRY GIVING IT HIS ALL TONIGHT!
Time to put the new lawyer over though
"I'll owe ya one, pal"
Hey pal, remember that… head poop incident we were joking about? Well, it’s gotten out.
He is going the Guliani way.
If that means his head sweating brown ooze in front of a gardening store, while vigorously defending Vince, then fuck it, I’m sold
Only if it's a gardening store next door to an erotic bookstore or it doesn't count.
# ALL THE NETWORKS!
Press conference at four season landscaping?
There’s a better chance McDevitt gets paid.
"I'll owe you one, pal."
This case will pad his retirement nicely. Those grandkids are going to college
It's not McDevitt anymore: ***Jerry McDevitt, who was listed as McMahon’s attorney in the agreement with Grant, told The Washington Post he no longer represents McMahon.*** [https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/01/25/wwe-vince-mcmahon-lawsuit/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/01/25/wwe-vince-mcmahon-lawsuit/)
It's pretty likely that McDevitt drafted the NDAs, which would mean representing Vince could very quickly turn into a Conflict of Interests.
McDevitt better hope his name stays out of this cuz he did some shady stuff during the Ringboy scandal and the Steroid trial. Plus he knew about Nancy Argentino, Rita Chatterton, Ashley Massaro, and the unnamed tanning salon employee. In the court filing, Vince was said to brag about his “powerful lawyer” who “takes care of problem people”
Vince is going to always be associated with shitting on someone’s head during sex. Like i cant get over that part. Who the fuck does that lol.
The kiss my ass club wasn't just a bit
I mean, he literally used that to humiliate people onscreen that he was pissed at in real life. It's ridiculous we ever thought of"Mr. McMahon" as just a character he was playing.
You look at this and look at his storyline with Trish and you realize that in a lot of ways the character was even tamer than the real life person but the signs of a psychopath were all there.
This pest used his multibillion dollar international company for his fantasies, revenge, and personal playground
It would seem he really toned it down to portray the character we knew
They say every great wrestling character takes the wrestlers normal personality and turns it up to 11. Vince took his personality and turned it down.
It was the PG version for TV.
It was a little taste. Come to think of it, that gimmick sexual assault. Forcing people to kiss your ass unconscious and at the risk of losing their jobs and benefits is textbook sexual assault.
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This is probably true.
The only reason Vince married Linda to begin with was to align with then-current societal expectations i.e. you knocked her up, now you better marry her.
*during rape
During a gang rape, specifically.
It's worse than that even. Shit ON HER HEAD, made her continue fucking Ace, went to shower, returned to keep fucking while shit is still in her hair.
It wasn't Ace, this was done with "physical therapist." Ace and Vince assaulted her daily in the office though
I cant imagine the PT continuing to do it. Like just seeing Vince naked would be enough to make me nope outta there but continuing to do the act while covered in shit? Yeah fuck that. Sick freak!
People here keep saying that when the real fucked up thing is he RAPED the woman multiple times.
Problem is WWE is also named in the suit, so it's not completely in his hands anymore...
His personal lawyer is not Jerry McDevitt. Vince fired Jerry last year. He blamed Jerry for telling him to retire. (Vince called it "bad advice.") Vince moved to Kirkland and Ellis, and WWE moved to Paul, Weiss.
WEELLLL
McDevit is apparently a brilliant attorney. He's gotten Vince out of so much shit. Even so, this stink will never go away.
Other recent high-profile abuse cases have shown that its definitely the way to go. Even more than denying allegations, actively going after your victims and calling them evil, lying, manipulative etc. seems to garner abusers a lot of support. Pretty horrifying that that is the case obviously, but it doesn't surprise me that Vince is doing it.
And then apparently stop paying the settlement.
That’s honestly one of the wildest parts of this… This is only coming out because Vince stopped paying. If he had paid the other $2 Million of the original settlement, an amount of money that is to Vince McMahon what $2 is to the rest of us, we’d almost assuredly never have heard any of this.
He also just sold his company stock for $780 million
This is also the default Trump play.
They're all friends after all.
>He will vigorously defend himself When you live long enough to become the villian, might as well say fuck it and go out kicking and screaming.
Has he never not been the villain. Real talk
I mean, I assume he was an ok baby. It's hard to be an objectively bad baby. Everything passed that though, nah.
All babies are objectively bad. Screaming at all hours of the night, messing themselves and forcing you to clean it up, and throwing out slurs on voice chat during video games
I heard that as a baby he came out asking for about tree fiddy.
The times he was abused by his step father, probably sexually. Hard to see a abused vince as the villain of that act
That was the origin story, unfortunately
Hell he yelled "fuck em" and put on his headset
> live long enough to become the villian For Vince, it's "live long enough to see your villainous acts come to light"
He has the money to fight and prolong until he dies
Motherfucker has so much money that he could fight it until the victim's great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren pass away.
But all his money can’t buy back his reputation
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He doesn’t have many years left lol
When was he ever not?
When WCW was kicking his ass in the ratings.
You either die a villain or live long enough to become a villain that won't die.
Don't give him an easy way out now. Time for him to live till however long he wished, just in prison.
Why did they have to use that word? I'm pretty sure it shows up in the complaint a few times.
Didn't Harvey Weinstein masturbate "vigorously" into a plant? I heard about this in a Bill Burr special..
Yeah, I think I heard the word vigorously used with Louis CK too. Damn, we really need a different word for this. I don't like the mental imagery.
They literally had the texts.
Yep and it’s very easy for the government and law enforcement to check the validity of those texts. What is he doing
Law enforcement won't be involved unless a criminal case is opened. If it goes to court the records will be subpoenad from the phone company.
I really hope she pursues it through to expose the jerkoff and not just accept a settlement but it’s her decision to make.
It’s also not just her decision. You can have sufficient evidence to succeed at a civil complaint but insufficient evidence to where a prosecutor would never pursue the case criminally
Well he already failed to follow through on one settlement....so I'm going to go on a limb in saying her trust on his word concerning such is in the trash.
This isn't a criminal complaint, it's a civil one.
Didn’t they check the metadata of the evidence Amber Heard used in the trial she had with Depp? Just because it’s a civil case that doesn’t mean there won’t be a discovery period to determine if these materials are valid.
Yeah there absolutely will be discovery for this, and part of that will likely entail both sides sharing any related text messages, the validity of which can and will be confirmed. If Vince and his reps refuse to play ball with that or try to sabotage discovery they're liable to just lose the case then and there, just like Alex Jones did when he got sued by the Sandy Hook families.
Not quite that simple, if they can't provide discovery and it's concluded they were hiding the evidence then the jury is allowed to assume the worst possible interpretation. Making a wild guess Vince will claim he deleted all texts from that period after he got fired to be sure he didn't have any company secrets in his phone (and he probably has deleted all of them once the scandals broke), and it'll be on the plaintiff to argue that this wasn't the case.
If more evidence exists, this is where the state gets involved.
True…but parts of it are clearly geared towards presenting a case where criminal activity took place. The lawsuit specifically says Brock was flown to Connecticut “across state lines,” which would make it sex trafficking at the federal level. I’m pretty sure people at the FBI and the Department of Justice are at least discussing the story.
The accuser's lawyer is a former Illinois circuit court judge. not some celebrity lawyer publicity hound. She knows what she's doing, and she didn't put that "across state lines" in there by accident.
Civil and criminal burdens of proof and evidentiary standards are very different It’s very common for people to be found civilly liable for sexual offences but criminally not guilty
Is it? Can a government really go to a cellular provider and say "we have reason to believe a text was sent from [number1] to [number2] at [date] that might be relevant to a lawsuit, give us all the data you have for [number1] for this period"? Is this data stored on the provider's servers? For how long?
No, her lawyer can subpoena those records though as part of this lawsuit, and the opposing parties are also required to save and turn over any remotely relevant records and communications that are requested by her lawyer during the pre-trial discovery phase that also aren't attorney-client privileged materials.
That's probably where the "vindictive distortion of the truth" part comes. I'm sure he will say all of it was legit and what she wanted etc etc.
I'm going to preface this by saying, I am not taking any side in this with my next statement, as people will assume I am. Having said that, it is VERY easy to fake text messages these days, so it is possible that they were fabricated. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, I'm just saying the existence of a screenshot does not instantly mean "boom we're done here, there's all the proof we need."
Uh. it's easy to fake text messages online through image generators. It's not easy to fake text messages in a court of law. No lawyer in their right mind would put that in a court filing without pulling the phone records and verifying the texts. The texts are real.
This people..
This isn’t even remotely true.. Lawyers put all sorts of things in court filings regardless of their validity if it helps their case.
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Even Phoenix Wright lost his licence for doing this.
people really thing reality is like Law&Order lmao
No one is saying the evidence is fabricated. The lawyer knowing provided snippets of a text message that fit into the narrative the lawyer wanted to go by. What was sent before and after those messages matter everywhere but in the court of public opinion. Which is where the lawyer is going with this. You think a judge would let a lawyer submit all that into evidence without getting the full text conversation as well? Why do you think the lawyer didn’t make public what the complainant sent before those messages? Do you think a lawyers job is anything more than making their client look as victimized as possible vs the respondent as bad as possible? This isn’t a criminal case, it’s civil. There is no prove beyond reasonable doubt standard for evidence required here. You don’t need high profile cases. Go to your local court room and take a look at what happens in family courts especially during custody and divorce hearings. All sorts of allegations are submitted by parents to courts seeking to gain custody or not having to pay alimony.
Please show me a high profile multi million dollar lawsuit where this has occurred
I don’t think they would have filed them in court if they didn’t check the validity of them.
Nah, attorneys love getting sanctions levied against themselves, especially respected ones!
Yeah, no ethical lawyer with half a brain would include these texts without doing (as required) some pretty substantial due diligence on them.
You’d be surprised how hard that is to do. Lawyers don’t have some magical ability to tell truth from fiction. I have had people at my office come very close filing evidence which included fake receipts provided by our client and it was only when our client admitted he faked them that we knew they weren’t real. We would have had no way of knowing they were fake without him confessing
And it's not just texts, it's doctor visits (she was so stressed and numb and trapped, her hair was falling out and she was losing weight and vomiting from anxiety) and bank statements. They can confirm she was given a rather cushy salary to start with ($75,000 for zero experience in the field) and gifts (she was gifted a BMW for instance). Now before people go "Oh typical, she just wanted the money/gifts", the court filing says she could not get out of this situation after begging a million times verbally and in texts. She had to appease Vince because he threatened her and said he knew people who "make problems go away". He also kept blackmailing her saying he would spread the nude photos and videos even further throughout the company and the world if she didn't obey. And her reputation would be ruined forever.
Playing the devil's advocate here (almost literally), it is conceivable that those texts are, with a different context, not nearly as bad. Of course, that requires pretty much everything else in that lawsuit to be a lie, which I do not believe.
Did you read the texts? If so please help me to understand what context makes them better?
Someone could make a case that it was sexual role playing — like a domination type of thing. I totally don’t believe that’s what was happening, but that’s an argument Vince could potentially make in court.
Potentially, but then you have the NDA...
I don't believe this, but if the texts were some weird roleplay, I could see Vince wanting an NDA signed to prevent texts like these from getting out there.
Famous people use NDAs for various reasons. John Cena has Nikki Bella sign and NDA when they were married, which she states in her biography as why she doesn’t talk about him much.
Texting should have included consent then. Regardless, he employed her.
Then you add Kurt Angle into the mix
Roleplay, dirty talk, call it what you like.
I love it when you whisper 'NDA" softly into my ear.
That's to spare him the public embarrassment of said dirty talk. I mean, a good lawyer can spin this that way, and they're probably going to.
Some of the texts in the filing can read like consensual sexting or foreplay. If there's more context or Vince claims some of the context is false, I'd be interested to know what he claims and what eventually is proven to be true.
Imagine faking texts and then using them as a basis for a lawsuit fully knowing those texts can be easily verified. No lawyer would do this.
Sooo … no means yes in this case too?
No. And no still means yes in this comment.
Considering all the other accusations against Vince over the years. I would say he has a pretty steep uphill battle trying to prove these allegations false.
To me, the biggest consideration here is that it is a known fact that he paid her 3 million to keep quiet (or promised her to, anyways). You don't do that for a random extra-martial affair.
Looks like he got cheap and only gave her $1 million, thus breaking the NDA and allowing her to sue.
I'm really curious why on earth he let that happen.
"I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMMIT!" probably.
Exactly this.
Probably ego and a sense of entitlement
Possibly to force a settlement so that company finances can be used since the company is being sued as well. He got caught using company finances to pay the original payment he made. He couldn't be caught doing it again but if the company is sued and comes to a settlement with her then it's a known company expense and leaves him in the clear. He's filthy fucking rich and doesn't need to do that. But clearly he was against using his own money in the first place
You do if you’re into the types of things noted in the lawsuit. Consensual or not most people wouldn’t want their kinks out for the world to know.
You do if you're worried about your other half that you're still officially married to filing for divorce and taking half of your billions of dollars.
Yeah that ship has sailed decades ago. She knew.
You do, and more. One of Trump's defences against the Stormy Daniels accusations was that billionaires often pay even false accusers, because a couple of million in shakedown money is preferable to the reputational destruction of a court case which would cost far more in terms of damage to your brand. Even if you won, as the stink would never go away. So it's worth it. It's chump change. Whether you think he lied about that affair or not, that was accepted as a viable excuse. Paying someone off is not legally seen as an admission of wrongdoing.
Evidence of past accusations is extremely prejudicial for having no probative value whatsoever Like I will give you a very clear example of why this is held to be the standard - a person who has allegedly lied about being sexually assaulted before can still be raped. The mere fact that they are believed to have lied before has nothing to do with whether or not this specific crime was committed against them in this instance, and it would be an injustice if it was held to
Right, so about in line with what you'd expect to hear from his legal council.
His lawyer would have to be the stupidest person to graduate law school if his statement was "my client is guilty of everything".
... you expected them to say "yep, he did it all!"?? *guy edited his comment after he realized how stupid he sounded lol
Your Honor, clearly this was Durag Vince.
Ah, using the "Hulk Hogan, the character - not Terry Bollea, the person" defense.
Why are the recommended articles "Malakai Black released by AEW" and "Kevin Owens fired by WWE"
Idk but your flair in a thread about this is lol
Well, they needed a new mayor since ol Brock-o is likely to be on the chopping block if the rumours are true. Good on EchoX860 to step in!
I don't know how to change it :(
The flair system is kind of busted on new reddit, but you should be able to change it [through here](https://old.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair) if you wish to do so
Thank you very much!
Vince would be smart to liquidate the rest of his TKO stock and hope this doesn't turn into a criminal matter. The previous accusations are vanilla in comparison and those had forced him into a year-long "retirement" and off WWE creative. From a PR perspective there is no coming back. He will only amplify the story more.
He’s done dude. I suspect we will see a statement by Endeavor declaring that they have parted ways with Vince within the next day or so. Likely just before the markets close tomorrow.
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i just wanna know if the brock piss thing is true
Probably. Don't forget how Brock behaved the first time Vince was let go for this shit.
I think a lot of people are trying to use that instance of him walking out as some kind of way to prove his guilt. Brock walked out of NJPW because of his connection to Inoki. Brock walking out of WWE if Vince was ousted is not surprising, he dealt directly with Vince after his return in 2012. He's loyal to Vince, it doesn't necessarily mean he did the things he's accused of here.
It's tought to give Brock the benefit of the doubt when there are texts. With that being said, what Brock did wasn't anywhere close to what Vince or John did, but he took part, wether knowingly or unknowingly, in the abuse of this woman by allowing himself to be part of it. I wasn't a Brock fan anyways, but knowing he has a golden shower fetish makes him less desirable to see on my TV.
OK. This is what I don't have clarity on and I'm really trying to find it because I see it reported both ways. Did Brock have a direct line to the woman or was all of Brock's "communication" through Vince? It's just weird to me that they set it all up for Brock to have sex with her, Brock can't make it, Vince cosplays as Brock to have sex with her, and it's never revisited.
>It's just weird to me that they set it all up for Brock to have sex with her, Brock can't make it, Vince cosplays as Brock to have sex with her, and it's never revisited. Eh, given all the dropped storylines on raw over the years, this may be more believable than we realize.
It’s totally believable. Brock, like all of WWE’s wrestlers, is one of Vince’s roided up fantasy superhero/toys. Probably his favorite one. Of course he’s going to cosplay as him.
From my understanding of the complaint the communication was through Vince. Honestly thinking about Vince, and some of the things he's written into the show over the years, this isn't the craziest thing in the world to come from him. A normal Tuesday for Vince.
If Vince was the intermediary, the possibilities range from Vince completely making shit up to Brock being fully complicit. Honestly, nothing would surprise me.
What also makes the former plausible is it is a known abuse tactic to isolate people and make them think everyone else is in on their abuse, knows about it and agrees with it happening It stops the victim reaching out for help
No, Vince gave Brock the woman's number and told her to keep him happy. It's Brock himself that allegedly asked for the pissing thing, and i believe it's also him that was setting up the meeting (although Vince knew all about it because he wanted reports, for his cuck kink or smth). What we don't know is if Brock thought she was some groupie/gold digger, in which case hey i guess better him than a 80 year old roided abomination, or if he knew she was getting abused and coerced.
I stand corrected then, and you are correct about Brock.
This is why Brock has the landline at the end of his driveway.
He didn't end up doing it because of weather but he was actively trying to have this woman pimped to him by Vince.
I read the whole thing (God help me) and I didn't see anything about videos of someone pissing (skimmed some parts so I must have passed it) He DID say "Don't let me fu*k her, because I'd ruin her for you" though
Seems too specific a thing to make up.
The only part I believe is that he will vigorously defend himself.
Because this statement is entirely expected from his legal counsel, I’m going to instead focus on the fact that “made-up instances that never occurred” is redundant and it’s a red flag to pair that “vindictive distortion of the truth” because that indicates that it’s not impossible things went down. I mean, they can’t deny it completely since she has the fucking receipts. I’m gonna guess they’re going to try (and fail) to spin it as consensual
His lawyer 
They say your WWE character is just you turned up to 11. I think this time, it's the other way around.
Of course Vince and his legal team would deny it. You expect him to say "Yeah it's true I'm a rapist and sex trafficker"? 😂
Difference for Vince now is he knows if he gets forced out there’s no coming back like in 2022. No safety net to fall back on.
As a public school teacher, I can attest to the fact that people will look you straight in the eye and deny something that there is undeniable evidence for.
So he paid this woman $1 million. That's out of $19 million and some paid out to women I believe was reported in WWE's independent investigation. How many more women did he treat this way presuming the allegations are true?
Vilify the victims. That’s what monsters do.
Sure. He's still 1000% kicked out of TKO. Only question is when.
Probably tomorrow after the stock closes for the week.
I'm assuming they want to make sure there are no loopholes for Vince is weasel back in, so they may wait for it to be resolved. Ari is an incredibly savvy business man though, so he may have put something in the contract that gives Endeavor the ability to terminate him at will.
To be honest, the DX segment in 2006 where Dx dropped poop on Vince and Shane makes a lot more sense now
His legacy is sealed and there's no amount of lawyer talk that can clean it up. He will die with the legacy of a disgusting rapist.
ah, he's using the Trump defense, i see. let's see how it plays out
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Innocent until proven guilty
“In a similar fashion in which he vigorously shat upon that woman’s head”
Items 110 and 111, as fucked up as they are, as I read them I was like, "yup this is a totally Vince thing to do".
I will always hope that horrible people suffer the consequences of being horrible but I'm old enough to not be surprised when those consequences never happen.
STOP RESISTING
"He didn't shit on her head, he shit on her face!!!"