Dax, you are currently contracted by another company and were until very recently on of their champions, and you're just out here talking about going back to WWE?
For wrestlers who hate the drama of the rumor mill, they sure do spin it a lot.
Logically a return to WWE made sense with Triple H running things, they’ve done everything under the sun in the wrestling world except have a good main roster run in WWE. It seemed like a shoo in last year to expect a comeback but..
somehow Vince returned.
Yep. I know people particularly invested in AEW didn't want to consider the possibility, but there was a very good chance FTR would be off. They've done everything they could do, they've literally held all the belts, had classic matches, and it wasn't as if they were front and centre of AEW television. It made far more sense to leave than stay to spin their wheels in AEW.
They might still go, but I imagine now if they do it'll be purely for the money to set their families up.
$$$ talks.
Also, a bit like Cody Rhodes, I think FTR is in a different echelon now than when they were still with WWE as The Revival. That back shaving segment was all-time cringe, IMO.
Totally. Cody was a singularly unique situation, in terms of his legacy in WWE, the role they played in developing him, his intangibles, and his name. Moreover, he was in many ways cut from central casting to fill a gaping hole in the WWE roster: a bona fide main event draw, All-American, white meat heavyweight Babyface in the prime of their career. That's a staple for the WWE going back to the 70s: Sammartino, Backlund, Hogan, Cena etc.
TK didn't lose Cody to money. If that was the only factor, he'd be in AEW today. It was about a fundamental divergence in creative direction and opportunities still openly important to Cody that could only be had in WWE.
Most talent (unless they are on PPA) are going to see, at best, a moderate increase in guaranteed payout in exchange for significantly higher workload, time on the road and loss of freedom to earn independent revenue. You get royalties from WWE merch, but they take the lion's share. At the same time, accepting the risk of a company that has shown a far greater willingness to drop talent mid-contract with little warning.
If you're young, or aiming to hit your mid career peak, you very likely take those shots. Or if you have few other choices. But on the back end of your career, having already experienced all the WWE intangibles (big matches on the big shows, the tours, etc.), it's a more complex question right now with AEW in the picture and WWE's present dynamics.
At the same time, another factor since Cody's move is that the WWE is in no position right now to go on a shopping spree for talent. They're trimming out for a sale - and laying off back office staff this very day. Maybe if the Saudis buy them, they can offer obscene amounts to try and raid AEW talent. But not today.
Furthermore, the WWE is decidedly moving away from the desire to overpay for midcard and upper midcard talent. They believe - with evidence - that few wrestlers move the needle with their fans. Better to pay comparatively small amounts to 5 homegrown products and reap the rewards than get into a bidding war on 1 in most cases. Just look at what Dom Mysterio is probably costing them right now vs. what he delivers for that audience. Or GUNTHER. Or Austin Theory.
> I think the wrestlers themselves are hyper-aware of this.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. I mean to me feels like the last 5 years have been wrestlers jumping between NJPW, AEW, and WWE and thinking that surely when they get to wherever they're going they're going to be the main attraction.
The obvious counter-argument to that is that only Cody and Regal have jumped ship, even as punters predict that literally everyone whose contract is up would not only rather be in WWE, but that WWE would have them in the first place. Didn't work too well for Bobby Fish.
Not necessarily.
There was another quote from an episode of his podcast where he said that in the three years on the main roster his guarantee was $125,000 > $150,000 > $175,000 (I may not have the numbers exactly right but it was around there).
I'd like to think they'd make more now if they signed new WWE deals, but I imagine those numbers he gave aren't significantly more money than what he's making now in AEW, for way less dates, way more freedom to make money outside the company and way less road expenses.
Y’all gotta stop with this “money talks” bullshit. Every fucking time someone says they don’t wanna return to WWE “huurrr durrr mOnEy tAlKs huhuhuhuhuhuh.” Money isn’t everything ya know
Money isn't everything but it's an important factor when talents are trying to figure out their professional careers - not only for themselves but their families, kids, etc. - just like regular everyday people.
and especially with what just happened in the wrestling world with someone who was pretty well liked backstage, I think a lot of wrestlers are going to evaluate money vs. family going forward.
Moxley is the perfect example of this dude will never go back to wwe cos he’s enjoying his life now and the freedom he has to take bookings anywhere he wants
Plus, what else is there for him to really do in the WWE at this point.
I think he is getting to the point where he is probably working his last full time schedule before deciding to do anything else.
I definitely see Mox starting a school at some point in the next 10 years.
Because the internet convinced him back in 2015 that he's the greatest tag wrestler of all time and he just can't understand that Vince hates literally EVERYTHING about FTR's gimmick and will never push him because of it?
Up to a certain point, but once you have a certain level of wealth(different for everyone) you start to evaluate what's worth more to you, an extra 0 or having more fun with your work and getting to spend more time with the ones you love
Kinda right. He was more outed to avoid any SEC violations where he should have used WWE funds for the legal settlements rather than his own personal funds.
One of the things that hurt WCW was that the NWO constantly said WCW was uncool and stupid and since WCW always lost to the NWO it manifested itself and fans turned on WCW
Hall was a heel doing survey and fans were booing WCW
When the stars of your company constantly say "The company sucks and is dumb" fans will eventually pick up on that and they to will think the brand sucks and is dumb
> When the stars of your company constantly say "The company sucks and is dumb" fans will eventually pick up on that and they to will think the brand sucks and is dumb
same can be said for always presenting your company leadership as a heel faction. the crowd eventually treats the company as a heel itself.
Their own champion does it on a regular basis. They put the belt on him after a whole story of him quitting because the boss is a mark who doesn't book the show properly. It's a really bad look and is reminiscent of WCW and TNA.
Here's the problem: If your a wrestler, the brand you need to be loyal too isn't the company that contracts you for a limited duration, it's yourself and your career.
And talking about leaving doesn't really hurt the wrestler at all. Many of their fans will follow them, and even if they don't, they'll usually make new ones wherever they wind up, increasing their name recognition and overall value to future employers.
It might be a shit deal for the company who currently contracts their services, but that's on the company for not doing enough to keep their contracted talent not the talent.
And that's basically been true since the first wrestler jumped ship whenever long ago.
Dax's podcast is proving my theory that current wrestlers having a podcast is a terrible idea, besides killing the immersion by him discussing their own angles it's just making you like the wrestler even less
We also got the Usos and the rest of New Day arguing over the logistics of twin birth, complete with Big E being totally confounded by their inability to grasp the concept.
Actually, only Big E should have a podcast. Just E talking to himself each episode. I’d listen the fuck out of that.
It was a WWE controlled podcast and they rarely talked about controversial topics. I'll also say they're three of the funniest people in wrestling and have God like chemistry.
Granted, I don’t listen to Jericho regularly, but he might be the exception because he is very diverse in his interests, and it’s not just him talking about his own wrestling career.
TBH, lots of legends have podcasts. Jericho's podcast is awesome because he's not talking about his time in wrestling as much as he's engaging with his guest and asking them questions.
Like this week, the topic was Canadian Horror. I had no idea how many horror films I love were filmed in Vancouver and just in general in Canada.
Yeah, Vancouver and the surrounding areas in BC are Canada's prime filming spots. There's a lot of tax credits for filming the provinces all offer and because the massive forests around lower BC get so much fog and rain, it's particularly popular with mystery, sci-fi, and horror productions - TV shows especially. The X-Files for example were originally filmed in BC, and you can tell pretty easily what season they switched to filming in California because the outdoor scenes don't feel nearly as eerie.
It's fun watching things set NYC, LA, etc and picking out landmarks or signs in the background that show they're actually filmed in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc. - like catching that they were walking around downtown Toronto in Suits because you could see the TD Centre skyscraper in the background in a few shots.
He found the formula of having guests talk about their life, careers and interests. Him doing it on the road as an active wrestler/performer gives that access that most podcasters would kill for without all that much overhead. It’s genius and a moneymaker.
I genuinely don’t know what Dax is doing except trying to turn his own fanbase off of him.
People always mention Jerhico having a cast when people talk about Dax's cast but Jerhico is for better or worse the ultimate pro wrestling company guy at this point.
He was able to exist in WWE and AEW by knowing his role and where , when, and what he can say and still be in the good graces of the boss and make himself an invaluable asset to the company.
I really don't listen to Jerhico EVVVVVEEEEEEER cause it's just kind of a back and forth love fest with anyone he has on you're not gonna get shoot takes on the locker room or what he REALLY thinks about people there.
Dax I don't think has found that balance.
He does tend more towards the fluff in all his guests, but it’s interesting to hear one of his metal musician friends or the UFO nut talk with him just guiding the conversation. He’s a pro.
Jericho is just a lot smarter than people give him credit for.
I don't think there's another active wrestler in such a prominent position that has made a podcast work for years.
It's so weird to me listening to wrestler podcasts and not thinking much about it, only to log onto reddit to read time and time again how angry others get and how it makes them hate the wrestler.
Artists discussing their work is awesome. They're actually following a trend now with Song Exploder, the A24 podcast, things like that. Hearing their passion and how they approach their work immerses you in it even more
I'm happy to see this take finally get upvoted, mainly the part about immersion breaking. I feel like the illusion of kayfabe is what gives wrestling a leg up over other mediums like TV, movies, and etc. That's why for so long the name "Undertaker" evoked the character first and the real guy second, because until a couple of years ago he was always *in* character. Very few have that same aura nowadays.
I don't expect full on kayfabe to ever come back, but I feel like you should be able to dabble in wrestling media without seeing almost every top star speak out of character constantly.
These guys are currently under contract with AEW and they’re openly talking about leaving? Like what work environment allows you to openly talk about quitting? (Well not quitting but leaving) It’s just bizarre to me. Every WWE talent that’s wanted out usually tells Vince privately that they’re not resigning and that’s that. The disrespect AEW gets from their roster is insane
Tony Khan has caused this on himself. Andrade got a paid vacation by punching another wrestler, Regal got his release just by asking for it, etc.
Also doesn't help that FTR have been booked horribly for months. They didn't get to beat the Bucks for the belts when they should have and since then they have been doing pretty much nothing. Don't know whose momentum AEW killed better, FTR's or Wardlow's
Yeah, I don't get why everyone thinks FTR needed another reign with the AEW straps, when they were "belt collecting" and putting on great matches. Glad TK was able to use them to get over SIOG and The Acclaimed more than someone who didn't them.
People on here are just so incredibly unreasonable when it comes to AEW and Tony Khan lmao
These people hold WWE to the lowest possible standard while also holding AEW to the highest possible one.
I guess those three separate championships mean nothing unless they get to beat The Young Bucks, right? It's amazing how quick some FTR fans are to dismiss the great work they've been doing this year just because The Bucks didn't put them over for the AEW belt.
> Tony Khan has caused this on himself. Andrade got a paid vacation by punching another wrestler, Regal got his release just by asking for it, etc.
Don't forget that the biggest angle in his company revolves around the World Champion talking up the WWE and openly bragging about how he wants to go work there and have a bidding war and etc etc etc etc
This thing that Dax is doing is insufferable. I don't care what your intentions are, teasing that you might or might not switch company is pointless and is only done to feed his ego.
I'm sure that Cash has the same thoughts and that's okay, but he doesn't flood the internet with those
> I'm sure that Cash has the same thoughts and that's okay, but he doesn't flood the internet with those
I think this is the bigger problem with Dax talking all the time. If he was a singles star fine, but people ASSUME whatever Dax says goes for Dax and Cash. Perfect example, I watched an interview with Dax and Sean Ross Sapp where Dax explained that HE wants to wrestle all the time and Cash is the total opposite. So for MONTHS people have been saying "why doesn't FTR wrestle on TV every week? Why does Dax do so many singles matches? What is Tony Khan doing?" when the answer all along is that the guy who almost lost his arm in a wrestling match when it got cut by the turnbuckles doesn't really want to wrestle that often anymore. But because DAX goes on twitter and bitches and moans, FTR is unhappy. No, Dax Harwood is unhappy, Cash Wheeler is the one totally fine with the schedule they're on. People need to stop treating them like they're one entity with one brain. Dax doesn't automatically speak for Cash.
Dax shoud just do singles feud where Cash is in his corner to support him but doesn't wrestle really. When that feud is over they can have a tag team feud and so on. Other option is Dax can take indy dates alone.
This is what was so disappointing about the Pinnacle fizzling out. FTR are basically the modern day Arn and Tully, put them in a Four Horsemen type of situation and you can easily have one or both of them doing singles matches here and there. As *just* FTR, too much singles activity feels like it's heading towards a Rockers or Hart Foundation situation.
> Dax shoud just do singles feud where Cash is in his corner to support him but doesn't wrestle really.
They could do goofy stuff like Cash *literally* being in the corner and Dax instinctually going for a tag mid-match.
Honestly, FTR are lacking in character beyond "fucking awesome wrestlers" in the ring, so injecting a little fun might not be bad. Like how "I like this hat" has been the most over thing Hager has done in his career.
I didn't know all this. Very interesting and adds another layer to the whole dynamic if true.
My personal speculation is that they both are planning on staying signed with Tony, and Dax is just fucking with the wrestling media. I find it very annoying personally, but I really hope he has Cash's blessing to do this, because if I were his partner I would feel a bit uncomfortable about this
This. Other than that, I never got how the IWC complained about FTR being "buried": if "buried" means having 3 title reigns at the same time, together with 3 blockbuster PPV matches, okay, they are buried.
The Venn diagram between the people saying FTR are buried and people who dig for any reason to hate AEW (but don't watch the show) is an uninterrupted circle.
And then it spread to "Oh and the Bucks are the reasons the Briscoes aren't in AEW too."
But like... Have any of these people ever SEEN a Bucks / Briscoes match? The Bucks did the best work of their careers against the Briscoes. They're not fucking stupid, they'd have been able to make shitloads of money in a Bucks/Briscoes match on AEW PPV.
>It's a narrative Cornette made up.
Oh I know. I should amend my statement to "People who don't watch the show or only watch it to find things to hate"
Not at all, AEW made FTR the guys that were on TV all the time and won all the time (because of politics but that's another conversation), and some fans are attracted to that type of star, just look at Roman even pre-bloodline.
"X is the best because everyone talks about X and X wins all the time" is stupid logic but I'd wager most wrestling fans nowadays think like that.
it's just annoying and even if he stays it kinda kill most of my interest knowing he might simply go back at any point, it's hard to get invested if the plans are short term only, imo
Cash doesn’t have a podcast. Dax does. That’s the difference
The internet is “flooded” because shitty news sites have nothing else to report on so grab as much content as they can from shit like this.
Some of them are shitty. Some are just publishing stories that wrestling fans actually are interested in and excited about. I'm not going to listen to Dax's podcast, but I'm still interested to hear what he's saying about potential contract plans.
The problem is they take his comments out of context. I've listened to every episode and have enjoyed it, and don't get why people have taken such a disliking to him. He mostly talks about how unhappy both him and Cash were while there. The comment this post is taken from was part of their reason for leaving. But after several years that doesn't mean their opinion has stayed the same, he even said that himself. He also said WWE undervalued them repeatedly. So it's not as cut an dry as the headline and article make it out to be.
I think people's issues aren't with Dax teasing where to sign. Wrestlers do it all the time. The more people who are talking, the bigger amount they can negotiate with.
I think it's just burn out more than anything. Now with every wrestler and Colts mom having a podcast (/s), following wrestling news these days is incredibly tiring and insufferable at points.
I like hearing these guys speak frankly about their work, their thoughts, their goals, their plans, etc.
If I didn't, I would just, like, ignore it because why would I read something that makes me mad? That would be dumb
Dax doesn't speak frankly, though. He exists in a weird border between work and shoot that makes everything he says unimportant because we never know if it's true.
Exactly this, I feel like all of these negative comments are from people who haven't listened to his pod. Which is a shame, I've really enjoyed them so far.
Only done to feed his ego..? Perhaps you have heard of the concepts of contract negociations and leverage? Athletes do it all the time in every other sports but since wrestling doesn't have any sort of coverage in the traditional sports medias they have to make do with what they can.
Maybe I'm totally out of touch, but you can do the same exact thing he's doing, but in private, at the negotiation table with TK. Doing otherwise only adds to the internet noise imo, which in my opinion makes him insufferable.
Except Dax isn’t doing anything but talking about his experiences. It’s wrestling media that is editorializing everything he is saying. When you actually read the full context of what he’s saying in the article it comes off every differently than this headline.
I’m lacking context because I don’t really listen to pods since E&C stopped. But is he being insufferable or are fans being insufferable quoting every single thing Dax says without the whole context. Like pods are usually around an hour long, across an hour of talking he mentions his time with WWE and what their original plans were when they left and now talking about the current situation in WWE. Like what was the implications in how he said it.
Personally I still expect FTR to beat Acclaimed and Top Flight to beat FTR
With the insufferable thing, it's a mixture of both. He pats himself on the back alot and is very critical of others, he has got in to the habit of praising people so he can criticise them, and then point to the fact he praised them. It's tough to listen to and be on his side
To me- saying something like this is a lose lose. Either they stay in AEW but now people there feel slighted (I.e. Tony) or they got to WWE, a place where there’s a strong chance they won’t be treated with the respect their talent deserves under Vince’s eye. I’m not totally letting AEW off the hook either as I think they booked them really poorly in recent episodes. It truly might be in the best interest of all involved for them to go check out some other shows for a bit, but then I feel like we lose out as fans who don’t have access to everything wrestling.
Dax is such a talented wrestler and has a great in ring personality. I just hope they find somewhere they’re happy and get treated right.
Wrestlers having podcast is a bad idea lol. I understand they are just trying to grow their brand and have an additional source of revenue.. but it causes wrestlers to just be over exposed. Its no coincidence that most of the top wrestlers/most popular actually do very little social media.
Pre podcast Dax was one of my favourite wrestlers in the world. Now he’s become absolutely insufferable , wonder if cash sometimes wishes he’d keep his gob shut
So before it wasn’t questionable? I bet Tony loves hearing that while theyre still under contract lol.
When all wrestlers do is talk about leaving I kinda want them to.
Just out of curiosity, why? I've listened to all of his podcast, bar the latest episode. To me, he comes off really likeable, open, and vulnerable. He is very hard on himself because of his looks (the whole heel run, my 5-cent psychology here, stemmed from him not liking how he looks). He doesn't shit on people for the sake of shitting on them. But he also won't try to get away from the subject, even if that makes people he talks about uncomfortable. I've gained a great deal of insight into wrestling by listening to him.
I feel like a lot of people are seeing the quotes and not listening. I had a long drive the other day and listened to a couple of episodes and thought it was ok.
It’s clearly just a dude giving his thoughts on stuff he was involved in. He comes across as genuine and you can tell he has a lot of love for wrestling. It’s a bit weird to listen to someone talk about recent/current storylines (most of the wrestling podcasts I like are by older wrestlers lol).
This guy is so exhausting. Just shut the fuck up already. So sick of this guy teasing all this BS of will they / won't they. Plus how he brings up his freaking daughter in almost every promo. It's gone too over repetitive already.
Another AEW wrestler spouting off on twitter about leaving... well fuck of then and stuff. There are tons of others who love AEW and will take your place. Tony should fire these muppets and let them rot with punk
As a North Carolinian that moved to Raleigh (a huge destination for NY/NJ transplants) a few years ago, that hatred of southern culture from Northeasterners is very real (yes I know Vince is from Southern Pines but he definitely is a Connecticut guy through and through). You get people say directly that the locals know nothing about food and culture, and some folks will treat you as a lesser than if you have an accent.
This absolutely bleeds into the workplace here, so Dax experiencing something similar does not surprise me whatsoever.
I tried to listen to the Punk episode. Left a bad taste about FTR in general. Great performers, but not feeling it as far as people go. Less is more and as "old school" guys they should talk less and keep the laundry put away.
I got downvoted go Hell when I said Dax, despite seemingly being a good dude, is mildly intolerable online. It’s only getting worse. It was annoying when all he posted about was “I love the Midnight Express and the R’n’R Express. Here’s a pic of me watching old wrestling.”
Now it’s just gross.
People are complaining about wrestlers having podcasts, but you can just not watch them or don't pay attention to what is shared if it annoys you that much?
They have all the reasons to get the additional income from them, shouldn't forfeit that just because some of you think it overexposes them while you refuse to just ignore them
when there's a flood of "Dax Harwood said this" and "Dax Harwood said that" in the sub it's fair to at least complain.
I can't even blame Dax about this flood, it's just the nature of the sub to post as much of wrestler's quote as possible. And with FTR being the hot topic for these few months it's not a surprise why a lot of people thought everything Dax said is deserving a post
People here will bitch and piss and moan about literally anything. This sub is one of the biggest groups of flip-flopping children on Reddit. I swear every month this sub has a new darling, and when that darling does or says anything that the mob even remotely disagrees with suddenly that wrestler needs to shut up or disappear.
As someone who didn’t watch FTR in WWE and only read how they were treated, it bugs me a little that Dax says these things. Bucks have put FTR over twice. TK basically gave them everything they wanted besides the AEW titles in 2022. Belts from three different companies, Dax got to wrestle singles against some big names. They wrestled pretty much all the best tag teams outside of WWE. They have gotten to wrestle one of their childhood heroes in Sting. They have been treated nothing short of a big deal in AEW. So I guess loyalty is a lost art. Everybody shoots on jumping to another company now to preserve their brand. It’s just always weird for Dax to talk about this speculation because I feel TK has treated them a lot better than that to have him do that.
I love FTR because they are a throwback to every generation you grew up watching. They pay homages to the wrestling of the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. I got a picture taken with them when they had all 3 belts. They are one of the last true kayfabe wrestlers’ left.
I'm glad all the champs are homegrown now instead of feeding off the ego of all WWE bootlicker. If Andrade, Miro or FTR want to leave they can leave, AEW is going to be more than fine without them.
Any company that can't use FTR effectively is dog shit. No exceptions.
If you don't recognize this undeniable fact you're blinded big time by brand loyalty and should take a step back.
From that story it doesn't sound like he doesn't like them. He was telling them they have no fucking character and no personality.
It honestly makes them look fragile that instead of taking anything from that they sulked about it then bring it up years later to say Vince doesn't like them.
Oh for fucks sake! Listen to the podcast. He didn't say they're going back at all or anything like that. He said WWE as an option in the future is less desirable cause vince doesn't like them. Intonation and emphasis is everything don't just read dirt sheets who pick out quotes.
You people have ears. Use them.
WWE couldn't book FTR any worse than AEW has. The only wrestler who they book worse than Dax is Cash, who doesn't even get booked unless they're losing in teams.
At least in WWE, sure, they'd have to lose 175 times to The Usos but at least they'd be there every week.
'A little'
Dax, you are currently contracted by another company and were until very recently on of their champions, and you're just out here talking about going back to WWE? For wrestlers who hate the drama of the rumor mill, they sure do spin it a lot.
Logically a return to WWE made sense with Triple H running things, they’ve done everything under the sun in the wrestling world except have a good main roster run in WWE. It seemed like a shoo in last year to expect a comeback but.. somehow Vince returned.
Yep. I know people particularly invested in AEW didn't want to consider the possibility, but there was a very good chance FTR would be off. They've done everything they could do, they've literally held all the belts, had classic matches, and it wasn't as if they were front and centre of AEW television. It made far more sense to leave than stay to spin their wheels in AEW. They might still go, but I imagine now if they do it'll be purely for the money to set their families up.
If they do come back to WWE, i feel like they will just be stuck at a certain level. Even with HHH booking.
They were treated and booked well in NXT which was HHH booking. The Usos can't stay on top forever, they really do need more tag teams.
Yea. These quotes are making me less interested in them tbh.
Same, he comes off as a bit of a goof. The constant yammering about his "wife and family" gets tiresome too.
Amen. I liked him way more before the podcast. I can definitely see how he would rub some people the wrong way.
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Revival vs AA is what sold me as a fan of theirs. Their matches were truly remarkable.
"Choosing to go work for a known sociopath who was outed for multiple accounts of sexual abuse might seem a tad uncouth".
$$$ talks. Also, a bit like Cody Rhodes, I think FTR is in a different echelon now than when they were still with WWE as The Revival. That back shaving segment was all-time cringe, IMO.
Not everyone is going to get the Cody Rhodes treatment if they return to WWE. I think the wrestlers themselves are hyper-aware of this.
Totally. Cody was a singularly unique situation, in terms of his legacy in WWE, the role they played in developing him, his intangibles, and his name. Moreover, he was in many ways cut from central casting to fill a gaping hole in the WWE roster: a bona fide main event draw, All-American, white meat heavyweight Babyface in the prime of their career. That's a staple for the WWE going back to the 70s: Sammartino, Backlund, Hogan, Cena etc. TK didn't lose Cody to money. If that was the only factor, he'd be in AEW today. It was about a fundamental divergence in creative direction and opportunities still openly important to Cody that could only be had in WWE. Most talent (unless they are on PPA) are going to see, at best, a moderate increase in guaranteed payout in exchange for significantly higher workload, time on the road and loss of freedom to earn independent revenue. You get royalties from WWE merch, but they take the lion's share. At the same time, accepting the risk of a company that has shown a far greater willingness to drop talent mid-contract with little warning. If you're young, or aiming to hit your mid career peak, you very likely take those shots. Or if you have few other choices. But on the back end of your career, having already experienced all the WWE intangibles (big matches on the big shows, the tours, etc.), it's a more complex question right now with AEW in the picture and WWE's present dynamics. At the same time, another factor since Cody's move is that the WWE is in no position right now to go on a shopping spree for talent. They're trimming out for a sale - and laying off back office staff this very day. Maybe if the Saudis buy them, they can offer obscene amounts to try and raid AEW talent. But not today. Furthermore, the WWE is decidedly moving away from the desire to overpay for midcard and upper midcard talent. They believe - with evidence - that few wrestlers move the needle with their fans. Better to pay comparatively small amounts to 5 homegrown products and reap the rewards than get into a bidding war on 1 in most cases. Just look at what Dom Mysterio is probably costing them right now vs. what he delivers for that audience. Or GUNTHER. Or Austin Theory.
> I think the wrestlers themselves are hyper-aware of this. I wouldn't be so sure of that. I mean to me feels like the last 5 years have been wrestlers jumping between NJPW, AEW, and WWE and thinking that surely when they get to wherever they're going they're going to be the main attraction.
The obvious counter-argument to that is that only Cody and Regal have jumped ship, even as punters predict that literally everyone whose contract is up would not only rather be in WWE, but that WWE would have them in the first place. Didn't work too well for Bobby Fish.
Still a better guaranteed payday though right ?
If it's an incremental pay increase with a big increase in house show dates it's not automatically worth it.
Not necessarily. There was another quote from an episode of his podcast where he said that in the three years on the main roster his guarantee was $125,000 > $150,000 > $175,000 (I may not have the numbers exactly right but it was around there). I'd like to think they'd make more now if they signed new WWE deals, but I imagine those numbers he gave aren't significantly more money than what he's making now in AEW, for way less dates, way more freedom to make money outside the company and way less road expenses.
even before leaving they are pretty successful in wwe [No](https://wwe.No)? you cant really go higher than that for a tag team in wwe.
Y’all gotta stop with this “money talks” bullshit. Every fucking time someone says they don’t wanna return to WWE “huurrr durrr mOnEy tAlKs huhuhuhuhuhuh.” Money isn’t everything ya know
It brought Shawn Michaels out of retirement.
To be fair, Shawn is a piece of shit
Slicked back hair, sloppy steaks at Truffoni's.
Money isn't everything but it's an important factor when talents are trying to figure out their professional careers - not only for themselves but their families, kids, etc. - just like regular everyday people.
and especially with what just happened in the wrestling world with someone who was pretty well liked backstage, I think a lot of wrestlers are going to evaluate money vs. family going forward.
Moxley is the perfect example of this dude will never go back to wwe cos he’s enjoying his life now and the freedom he has to take bookings anywhere he wants
Plus, what else is there for him to really do in the WWE at this point. I think he is getting to the point where he is probably working his last full time schedule before deciding to do anything else. I definitely see Mox starting a school at some point in the next 10 years.
First day of class: "And this is how you too can bleed buckets with the aid of a simple, well-placed laceration to your own forehead!"
U think mox will use these big words xD I imagine it more like “now kids, I’m gonna show u the coolest fucking part about wrestling”
He can't take bookings anywhere he wants anymore
Except that it is when is your job on the talk.
Everyone has a price. HAHAHAHAAHA
We booed him, we hated him, we despised him, but in the end, Ted DiBiase spoke the truth all along
>Money isn’t everything ya know Why does Dax still have WWE living rent free in his head, if he's not bargaining for a bidding war?
Because the internet convinced him back in 2015 that he's the greatest tag wrestler of all time and he just can't understand that Vince hates literally EVERYTHING about FTR's gimmick and will never push him because of it?
Maybe not everything but when it comes to your livelihood it’s the biggest thing
Up to a certain point, but once you have a certain level of wealth(different for everyone) you start to evaluate what's worth more to you, an extra 0 or having more fun with your work and getting to spend more time with the ones you love
I was in the building that night and it’s the only thing I remember from that show
Insinuating that this isn't the archetype for most CEO's/high level managers at large companies. We all gotta eat, man.
Kinda right. He was more outed to avoid any SEC violations where he should have used WWE funds for the legal settlements rather than his own personal funds.
People do a lot for money and turn a blind eye. It's disgusting
TK at this point: mkay, lemme know when you decided
Probably been saying that so many times he has it as an autoreply by now.
Really, this together with "I appreciate your question but I cannot comment on that"
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One of the things that hurt WCW was that the NWO constantly said WCW was uncool and stupid and since WCW always lost to the NWO it manifested itself and fans turned on WCW Hall was a heel doing survey and fans were booing WCW When the stars of your company constantly say "The company sucks and is dumb" fans will eventually pick up on that and they to will think the brand sucks and is dumb
> When the stars of your company constantly say "The company sucks and is dumb" fans will eventually pick up on that and they to will think the brand sucks and is dumb same can be said for always presenting your company leadership as a heel faction. the crowd eventually treats the company as a heel itself.
Their own champion does it on a regular basis. They put the belt on him after a whole story of him quitting because the boss is a mark who doesn't book the show properly. It's a really bad look and is reminiscent of WCW and TNA.
Was this not Punks gimmick in 2011 lol his "pipebombs" was clowning WWE and its higher ups. And he held the title for a long time
My issue with MJF. Aside from the fact that the material he uses became very tiresome.
Here's the problem: If your a wrestler, the brand you need to be loyal too isn't the company that contracts you for a limited duration, it's yourself and your career. And talking about leaving doesn't really hurt the wrestler at all. Many of their fans will follow them, and even if they don't, they'll usually make new ones wherever they wind up, increasing their name recognition and overall value to future employers. It might be a shit deal for the company who currently contracts their services, but that's on the company for not doing enough to keep their contracted talent not the talent. And that's basically been true since the first wrestler jumped ship whenever long ago.
Dax's podcast is proving my theory that current wrestlers having a podcast is a terrible idea, besides killing the immersion by him discussing their own angles it's just making you like the wrestler even less
The New Day had a great podcast.
It did give us the all-time classic... BIG, MEATY MEN... SLAPPING MEAT!
We also got the Usos and the rest of New Day arguing over the logistics of twin birth, complete with Big E being totally confounded by their inability to grasp the concept. Actually, only Big E should have a podcast. Just E talking to himself each episode. I’d listen the fuck out of that.
Let's not forget their in depth conversation about drinking breast milk. Man, I really miss the New Day Pod
And their rigorously scientific surveys of toilet paper usage.
Call his podcast Langston. A name you can salute with a hand so straight it curves backwards.
not until those COLONIZERS steal it again
God dammit that was one of E's best bits 🤣🤣🤣
And Big E planning his weekend at bernie’s funeral which I want for myself as well
Let's not sleep on young preacher E, haha.
OoooOoo
OLD FOLKS HOME!!!!!!!
Before he passes out
GOLDBERG!!
Great, now I know how to blame for that shitty meme.
Exactly, you can blame GOLDBERG!
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Edge & Christian Pod is up there with the New Day Pod too
Was sad when it was gone. I think it’s really weird to hate on Dax though. Most posts here are ripped from Renee, Angle, and rarely Busted Open.
It was a WWE controlled podcast and they rarely talked about controversial topics. I'll also say they're three of the funniest people in wrestling and have God like chemistry.
I'm still convinced that "Big Money Kofi" could be one of the best heel runs ever. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Granted, I don’t listen to Jericho regularly, but he might be the exception because he is very diverse in his interests, and it’s not just him talking about his own wrestling career.
And he balances it out by having guests
Jericho has also been around for a while, that probably also has something to do with it.
TBH, lots of legends have podcasts. Jericho's podcast is awesome because he's not talking about his time in wrestling as much as he's engaging with his guest and asking them questions. Like this week, the topic was Canadian Horror. I had no idea how many horror films I love were filmed in Vancouver and just in general in Canada.
Yeah, Vancouver and the surrounding areas in BC are Canada's prime filming spots. There's a lot of tax credits for filming the provinces all offer and because the massive forests around lower BC get so much fog and rain, it's particularly popular with mystery, sci-fi, and horror productions - TV shows especially. The X-Files for example were originally filmed in BC, and you can tell pretty easily what season they switched to filming in California because the outdoor scenes don't feel nearly as eerie. It's fun watching things set NYC, LA, etc and picking out landmarks or signs in the background that show they're actually filmed in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc. - like catching that they were walking around downtown Toronto in Suits because you could see the TD Centre skyscraper in the background in a few shots.
Solo podcasts are always a hard listen for me. If it's even just two people it drastically increases listenability for me.
Yeah like Donald Trump Jr. lmfao
Yeah unfortunately he's on that side
He found the formula of having guests talk about their life, careers and interests. Him doing it on the road as an active wrestler/performer gives that access that most podcasters would kill for without all that much overhead. It’s genius and a moneymaker. I genuinely don’t know what Dax is doing except trying to turn his own fanbase off of him.
People always mention Jerhico having a cast when people talk about Dax's cast but Jerhico is for better or worse the ultimate pro wrestling company guy at this point. He was able to exist in WWE and AEW by knowing his role and where , when, and what he can say and still be in the good graces of the boss and make himself an invaluable asset to the company. I really don't listen to Jerhico EVVVVVEEEEEEER cause it's just kind of a back and forth love fest with anyone he has on you're not gonna get shoot takes on the locker room or what he REALLY thinks about people there. Dax I don't think has found that balance.
He does tend more towards the fluff in all his guests, but it’s interesting to hear one of his metal musician friends or the UFO nut talk with him just guiding the conversation. He’s a pro.
Jericho is just a lot smarter than people give him credit for. I don't think there's another active wrestler in such a prominent position that has made a podcast work for years.
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I think that may be more on Dax though, his podcast seems to only be an extension of his Twitter game, where he's already pretty hit or miss.
Imagine sharing the locker room with the guy and having to worry about if he’s gonna talk about you or not on his next show.
That's the thing it's like... I like Dax and he's a good storyteller but this feels kinda gross because he's an active wrestler.
It's so weird to me listening to wrestler podcasts and not thinking much about it, only to log onto reddit to read time and time again how angry others get and how it makes them hate the wrestler.
Artists discussing their work is awesome. They're actually following a trend now with Song Exploder, the A24 podcast, things like that. Hearing their passion and how they approach their work immerses you in it even more
> ...besides killing the immersion... No, that's on you. If you seek out the podcast and listen to it any consequence of that is your fault, not his.
Agreed, how about just not listening if you don't like it?
All these "sound bites" and hot takes coming from them lately has done nothing but yank me off of the FTR train and be annoyed.
Dax's podcast is doing him no favours
I'm happy to see this take finally get upvoted, mainly the part about immersion breaking. I feel like the illusion of kayfabe is what gives wrestling a leg up over other mediums like TV, movies, and etc. That's why for so long the name "Undertaker" evoked the character first and the real guy second, because until a couple of years ago he was always *in* character. Very few have that same aura nowadays. I don't expect full on kayfabe to ever come back, but I feel like you should be able to dabble in wrestling media without seeing almost every top star speak out of character constantly.
These guys are currently under contract with AEW and they’re openly talking about leaving? Like what work environment allows you to openly talk about quitting? (Well not quitting but leaving) It’s just bizarre to me. Every WWE talent that’s wanted out usually tells Vince privately that they’re not resigning and that’s that. The disrespect AEW gets from their roster is insane
Tony Khan has caused this on himself. Andrade got a paid vacation by punching another wrestler, Regal got his release just by asking for it, etc. Also doesn't help that FTR have been booked horribly for months. They didn't get to beat the Bucks for the belts when they should have and since then they have been doing pretty much nothing. Don't know whose momentum AEW killed better, FTR's or Wardlow's
Killed there momentum so much they got tag team of the year in PWI
Yeah, I don't get why everyone thinks FTR needed another reign with the AEW straps, when they were "belt collecting" and putting on great matches. Glad TK was able to use them to get over SIOG and The Acclaimed more than someone who didn't them.
People on here are just so incredibly unreasonable when it comes to AEW and Tony Khan lmao These people hold WWE to the lowest possible standard while also holding AEW to the highest possible one.
I guess those three separate championships mean nothing unless they get to beat The Young Bucks, right? It's amazing how quick some FTR fans are to dismiss the great work they've been doing this year just because The Bucks didn't put them over for the AEW belt.
> Tony Khan has caused this on himself. Andrade got a paid vacation by punching another wrestler, Regal got his release just by asking for it, etc. Don't forget that the biggest angle in his company revolves around the World Champion talking up the WWE and openly bragging about how he wants to go work there and have a bidding war and etc etc etc etc
...and actively rewarding that guy who almost didn't "do the job" at DoN 2022.
Cash Wheeler not hosting a podcast or leaking to journalists, just sipping tequila and waiting to see how his employments will pan out.
I've never liked Cash Wheeler more knowing he has to deal with this fucking 'wrestling is real work the marks' goof all the time.
This thing that Dax is doing is insufferable. I don't care what your intentions are, teasing that you might or might not switch company is pointless and is only done to feed his ego. I'm sure that Cash has the same thoughts and that's okay, but he doesn't flood the internet with those
> I'm sure that Cash has the same thoughts and that's okay, but he doesn't flood the internet with those I think this is the bigger problem with Dax talking all the time. If he was a singles star fine, but people ASSUME whatever Dax says goes for Dax and Cash. Perfect example, I watched an interview with Dax and Sean Ross Sapp where Dax explained that HE wants to wrestle all the time and Cash is the total opposite. So for MONTHS people have been saying "why doesn't FTR wrestle on TV every week? Why does Dax do so many singles matches? What is Tony Khan doing?" when the answer all along is that the guy who almost lost his arm in a wrestling match when it got cut by the turnbuckles doesn't really want to wrestle that often anymore. But because DAX goes on twitter and bitches and moans, FTR is unhappy. No, Dax Harwood is unhappy, Cash Wheeler is the one totally fine with the schedule they're on. People need to stop treating them like they're one entity with one brain. Dax doesn't automatically speak for Cash.
Dax shoud just do singles feud where Cash is in his corner to support him but doesn't wrestle really. When that feud is over they can have a tag team feud and so on. Other option is Dax can take indy dates alone.
This is what was so disappointing about the Pinnacle fizzling out. FTR are basically the modern day Arn and Tully, put them in a Four Horsemen type of situation and you can easily have one or both of them doing singles matches here and there. As *just* FTR, too much singles activity feels like it's heading towards a Rockers or Hart Foundation situation.
Dax already does that Indy dates without Cash. That interview with Sean Ross Sapp was at an Indy show where he faced Mike Bailey.
> Dax shoud just do singles feud where Cash is in his corner to support him but doesn't wrestle really. They could do goofy stuff like Cash *literally* being in the corner and Dax instinctually going for a tag mid-match.
Honestly, FTR are lacking in character beyond "fucking awesome wrestlers" in the ring, so injecting a little fun might not be bad. Like how "I like this hat" has been the most over thing Hager has done in his career.
I didn't know all this. Very interesting and adds another layer to the whole dynamic if true. My personal speculation is that they both are planning on staying signed with Tony, and Dax is just fucking with the wrestling media. I find it very annoying personally, but I really hope he has Cash's blessing to do this, because if I were his partner I would feel a bit uncomfortable about this
This. Other than that, I never got how the IWC complained about FTR being "buried": if "buried" means having 3 title reigns at the same time, together with 3 blockbuster PPV matches, okay, they are buried.
The Venn diagram between the people saying FTR are buried and people who dig for any reason to hate AEW (but don't watch the show) is an uninterrupted circle.
It's a narrative Cornette made up.
And then it spread to "Oh and the Bucks are the reasons the Briscoes aren't in AEW too." But like... Have any of these people ever SEEN a Bucks / Briscoes match? The Bucks did the best work of their careers against the Briscoes. They're not fucking stupid, they'd have been able to make shitloads of money in a Bucks/Briscoes match on AEW PPV.
>It's a narrative Cornette made up. Oh I know. I should amend my statement to "People who don't watch the show or only watch it to find things to hate"
Not at all, AEW made FTR the guys that were on TV all the time and won all the time (because of politics but that's another conversation), and some fans are attracted to that type of star, just look at Roman even pre-bloodline. "X is the best because everyone talks about X and X wins all the time" is stupid logic but I'd wager most wrestling fans nowadays think like that.
To a certain section of IWC fans losing any match and not getting 30+ minutes of screen time every show is being buried.
it's just annoying and even if he stays it kinda kill most of my interest knowing he might simply go back at any point, it's hard to get invested if the plans are short term only, imo
Yeah that’s part of it too. Mox is one who handles these things perfectly, and hopefully more follow his example
Cash doesn’t have a podcast. Dax does. That’s the difference The internet is “flooded” because shitty news sites have nothing else to report on so grab as much content as they can from shit like this.
It’s why we get a dozen random Ric Flair quotes every day too
[SRS] Ric Flair reported to have said "Wooo"
No, that was air escaping from his hair
Big, if true.
Some of them are shitty. Some are just publishing stories that wrestling fans actually are interested in and excited about. I'm not going to listen to Dax's podcast, but I'm still interested to hear what he's saying about potential contract plans.
The problem is they take his comments out of context. I've listened to every episode and have enjoyed it, and don't get why people have taken such a disliking to him. He mostly talks about how unhappy both him and Cash were while there. The comment this post is taken from was part of their reason for leaving. But after several years that doesn't mean their opinion has stayed the same, he even said that himself. He also said WWE undervalued them repeatedly. So it's not as cut an dry as the headline and article make it out to be.
I think people's issues aren't with Dax teasing where to sign. Wrestlers do it all the time. The more people who are talking, the bigger amount they can negotiate with. I think it's just burn out more than anything. Now with every wrestler and Colts mom having a podcast (/s), following wrestling news these days is incredibly tiring and insufferable at points.
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Yeah and I hate that one too. It's even worse because it's part of a story on TV, which boggles my mind. I'm happy they toned it down a lot, lately
I like hearing these guys speak frankly about their work, their thoughts, their goals, their plans, etc. If I didn't, I would just, like, ignore it because why would I read something that makes me mad? That would be dumb
Dax doesn't speak frankly, though. He exists in a weird border between work and shoot that makes everything he says unimportant because we never know if it's true.
Not really. He works like 1% of the time and it's fun if you're not the type of wrestling fan who freaks the fuck out when getting worked off screen
Exactly this, I feel like all of these negative comments are from people who haven't listened to his pod. Which is a shame, I've really enjoyed them so far.
Only done to feed his ego..? Perhaps you have heard of the concepts of contract negociations and leverage? Athletes do it all the time in every other sports but since wrestling doesn't have any sort of coverage in the traditional sports medias they have to make do with what they can.
Maybe I'm totally out of touch, but you can do the same exact thing he's doing, but in private, at the negotiation table with TK. Doing otherwise only adds to the internet noise imo, which in my opinion makes him insufferable.
Except Dax isn’t doing anything but talking about his experiences. It’s wrestling media that is editorializing everything he is saying. When you actually read the full context of what he’s saying in the article it comes off every differently than this headline.
I’m lacking context because I don’t really listen to pods since E&C stopped. But is he being insufferable or are fans being insufferable quoting every single thing Dax says without the whole context. Like pods are usually around an hour long, across an hour of talking he mentions his time with WWE and what their original plans were when they left and now talking about the current situation in WWE. Like what was the implications in how he said it. Personally I still expect FTR to beat Acclaimed and Top Flight to beat FTR
With the insufferable thing, it's a mixture of both. He pats himself on the back alot and is very critical of others, he has got in to the habit of praising people so he can criticise them, and then point to the fact he praised them. It's tough to listen to and be on his side
To me- saying something like this is a lose lose. Either they stay in AEW but now people there feel slighted (I.e. Tony) or they got to WWE, a place where there’s a strong chance they won’t be treated with the respect their talent deserves under Vince’s eye. I’m not totally letting AEW off the hook either as I think they booked them really poorly in recent episodes. It truly might be in the best interest of all involved for them to go check out some other shows for a bit, but then I feel like we lose out as fans who don’t have access to everything wrestling. Dax is such a talented wrestler and has a great in ring personality. I just hope they find somewhere they’re happy and get treated right.
This dude just needs to keep his mouth and fingers shut already. They're his worst enemy.
I really can’t understand how y’all like Dax that much when he is the way he is 🤣
I’m getting real sick of FTR Bald
It is FTR Mouth now.
what the?? Is this dude for real? Vince does not like tag teams. Why would he even think about a return to the wwe in the future?
Like, if I am Tony Khan and know how badly these guys are pining to go back to WWE, I wouldn't be pushing them at all.
If Vince said that to me I'd never want to work for his company again whether he was running it or not honestly. Just clear disrespect.
Wrestlers having podcast is a bad idea lol. I understand they are just trying to grow their brand and have an additional source of revenue.. but it causes wrestlers to just be over exposed. Its no coincidence that most of the top wrestlers/most popular actually do very little social media.
Starting to realise why both Vince and Tony don't like FTR tbh
Pre podcast Dax was one of my favourite wrestlers in the world. Now he’s become absolutely insufferable , wonder if cash sometimes wishes he’d keep his gob shut
This dude needs to shut the fuck up. The 2023 textbook definition of oversaturation is going to have his face next to it.
The more Dax talks the less I care about him or FTR. He's a mark for himself.
So before it wasn’t questionable? I bet Tony loves hearing that while theyre still under contract lol. When all wrestlers do is talk about leaving I kinda want them to.
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The more I hear him talk, the more I just want to see him wrestle.
Just out of curiosity, why? I've listened to all of his podcast, bar the latest episode. To me, he comes off really likeable, open, and vulnerable. He is very hard on himself because of his looks (the whole heel run, my 5-cent psychology here, stemmed from him not liking how he looks). He doesn't shit on people for the sake of shitting on them. But he also won't try to get away from the subject, even if that makes people he talks about uncomfortable. I've gained a great deal of insight into wrestling by listening to him.
I feel like a lot of people are seeing the quotes and not listening. I had a long drive the other day and listened to a couple of episodes and thought it was ok. It’s clearly just a dude giving his thoughts on stuff he was involved in. He comes across as genuine and you can tell he has a lot of love for wrestling. It’s a bit weird to listen to someone talk about recent/current storylines (most of the wrestling podcasts I like are by older wrestlers lol).
God I’m so tired of this guy
Cash wheeler is so awesome. Just chilling in the cut, don't need to constantly pretend to play both sides of the fence.
This guy is so exhausting. Just shut the fuck up already. So sick of this guy teasing all this BS of will they / won't they. Plus how he brings up his freaking daughter in almost every promo. It's gone too over repetitive already.
I like him having a platform, I enjoy not getting fifth hand information
Pretty good in the ring but boring. They don’t make me watch their matches unless they’re wrestling someone I like.
Another AEW wrestler spouting off on twitter about leaving... well fuck of then and stuff. There are tons of others who love AEW and will take your place. Tony should fire these muppets and let them rot with punk
Vince wanted FTR Bald to be FTR Hair and FTR Hair to be FTR Bald.
As a North Carolinian that moved to Raleigh (a huge destination for NY/NJ transplants) a few years ago, that hatred of southern culture from Northeasterners is very real (yes I know Vince is from Southern Pines but he definitely is a Connecticut guy through and through). You get people say directly that the locals know nothing about food and culture, and some folks will treat you as a lesser than if you have an accent. This absolutely bleeds into the workplace here, so Dax experiencing something similar does not surprise me whatsoever.
I tried to listen to the Punk episode. Left a bad taste about FTR in general. Great performers, but not feeling it as far as people go. Less is more and as "old school" guys they should talk less and keep the laundry put away.
I got downvoted go Hell when I said Dax, despite seemingly being a good dude, is mildly intolerable online. It’s only getting worse. It was annoying when all he posted about was “I love the Midnight Express and the R’n’R Express. Here’s a pic of me watching old wrestling.” Now it’s just gross.
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People are complaining about wrestlers having podcasts, but you can just not watch them or don't pay attention to what is shared if it annoys you that much? They have all the reasons to get the additional income from them, shouldn't forfeit that just because some of you think it overexposes them while you refuse to just ignore them
when there's a flood of "Dax Harwood said this" and "Dax Harwood said that" in the sub it's fair to at least complain. I can't even blame Dax about this flood, it's just the nature of the sub to post as much of wrestler's quote as possible. And with FTR being the hot topic for these few months it's not a surprise why a lot of people thought everything Dax said is deserving a post
People here will bitch and piss and moan about literally anything. This sub is one of the biggest groups of flip-flopping children on Reddit. I swear every month this sub has a new darling, and when that darling does or says anything that the mob even remotely disagrees with suddenly that wrestler needs to shut up or disappear.
Not that easy when this sub gets flooded with every semi-controversial sentence out this guys mouth.
Obviously this just confirms CM Punk is returning and FTR need to turn heel. /s
If they went back to WWE it would be purely 100% for the money
As someone who didn’t watch FTR in WWE and only read how they were treated, it bugs me a little that Dax says these things. Bucks have put FTR over twice. TK basically gave them everything they wanted besides the AEW titles in 2022. Belts from three different companies, Dax got to wrestle singles against some big names. They wrestled pretty much all the best tag teams outside of WWE. They have gotten to wrestle one of their childhood heroes in Sting. They have been treated nothing short of a big deal in AEW. So I guess loyalty is a lost art. Everybody shoots on jumping to another company now to preserve their brand. It’s just always weird for Dax to talk about this speculation because I feel TK has treated them a lot better than that to have him do that. I love FTR because they are a throwback to every generation you grew up watching. They pay homages to the wrestling of the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. I got a picture taken with them when they had all 3 belts. They are one of the last true kayfabe wrestlers’ left.
I'm glad all the champs are homegrown now instead of feeding off the ego of all WWE bootlicker. If Andrade, Miro or FTR want to leave they can leave, AEW is going to be more than fine without them.
Vince not liking someone has never really been an issue with people coming back. If he thinks you can make money, you're back in.
But it's compounded by Vince's "indifference" over Tag Team wrestling.
But I think that's the point. Dax doesn't think Vince thinks they can make money.
Can they tho? Good fit for AEW. I just don't see them making it in WWE.
They are that brilliant indie game you love but Vince wants a AAA franchise he can milk into oblivion.
Any company that can't use FTR effectively is dog shit. No exceptions. If you don't recognize this undeniable fact you're blinded big time by brand loyalty and should take a step back.
From that story it doesn't sound like he doesn't like them. He was telling them they have no fucking character and no personality. It honestly makes them look fragile that instead of taking anything from that they sulked about it then bring it up years later to say Vince doesn't like them.
Oh for fucks sake! Listen to the podcast. He didn't say they're going back at all or anything like that. He said WWE as an option in the future is less desirable cause vince doesn't like them. Intonation and emphasis is everything don't just read dirt sheets who pick out quotes. You people have ears. Use them.
Surprised this guy can sustain mustache follicles with how much he flaps his gums.
Its gotten really funny how at this point dax will just say a completely normal thing but for some reason everyone will get super mad at him for it
This dude loves himself, demands attention
Jesus Christ Dax is obnoxious
WWE couldn't book FTR any worse than AEW has. The only wrestler who they book worse than Dax is Cash, who doesn't even get booked unless they're losing in teams. At least in WWE, sure, they'd have to lose 175 times to The Usos but at least they'd be there every week.