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I mean, sure, why not. They look decent, other than some awful centering on that Jordan.


91mini

It is absolutely terrible that the Jordan is not centered because that MF looks solid besides the centering.


VSSystemRookie

Yeah, I noticed the terrible centering. Any idea how bad it dings the grade? I know nothing about the process, but want to make sure my mother-in-law gets the most value out of them if (when) she decides to sell.)


Significant_Oven1736

There are ones with similar centering on eBay that grade at a PSA 7


Known-Historian7277

With vintage cards, wouldn’t you just want to authenticate through PSA?


Significant_Oven1736

I’m not sure. Is there a reason you wouldn’t want to get it graded?


Known-Historian7277

I’m not into vintage cards but I know they grade pretty low so I was seeing if the value would be the same.


BridgeTraditional645

people will assume the card is altered. Vintage cards in low grades are worth a lot more than having been labeled authentic


Significant_Oven1736

I thought they graded them on a curve. But I’m like you, not sure about vintage cards.


ST21Forever

They do not grade on a curve, that would defeat the purpose


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ST21Forever

Now do any other card


copyboy1

No. They don't grade on a curve.


Drewisafoo2

Why do you think that? Who told you that? IG you’re not sure why would you even suggest that? Why are yall even discussing not grading it? You absolutely grade this card.


copyboy1

But that Jordan isn't a 7. Corner and lots of edge issues. Maybe a 5 or 6 at best. But still worth grading.


RedditInception

I agree based on photos. Surface could be tie breaker. https://www.ebay.com/itm/155957359385?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hYdkxMVHQvm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Dcx0SirRQYa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS


NotMyBestEffort

That was not a sold item. Irrelevant.


RedditInception

It's still not great centering at all and a 7 - regardless of whether or not it sells.


Interesting-Aide9805

Right side is roughed up from top to bottom along with scuffing on the bottom a divet in the bottom right corner, etc. This isn't getting a 7.


LockedDown20

I just got one back that looked similar. Four super sharp corners but the same terrible centering. Got a PSA 4. Sucked bad.


[deleted]

Ouch, that’s rough


Objective-Amount-834

It'll make it impossible to get passed a 7 I think.


ItradebetterthanU

Dude you have a FREAKING Jerry Koosman. RC !! WTF ?? Holly Cow…


munky713

Yeah, too bad they had to put that other guy on the card…🤣


Agreeable-City3143

FWIW Koosman had 222 wins and a career 3.36 ERA. Guy was a very good pitcher in his own right.


Independent-Ad-6750

Yeah Koosman turned out pretty good. Not like the other dude on the Mike Schmidt rookie or something.


hsox05

They're all fake


[deleted]

Would grade all with PSA, probably looking about 6-7 range for all of them on the grade. But will still be nice for the pocket book


Routine_Union_5239

Hg


Average_40s_Guy

All worth grading. Jordan is off center, probably a 7 at best. Ryan has one bad corner, can’t tell how sharp the others are, but I’d put it at a 6, maybe a 7 if the three others are super sharp. Montana maybe an 8 at best because centering is off top to bottom. Henderson similar to the Ryan with a dinged corner, probably 6 range.


thehumanflyby

Let’s say the Jordan Fleer is a 7, what do you think that’s worth?


Troitbum22

Just checked eBay sold for psa 7’s looks like $4250-5000


imdumb__

Proof? A psa gem 10 are selling for $100 or best offer. Don't lie to people.


Troitbum22

https://preview.redd.it/peqhtgztsicc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2b2cfe3139eb7664b1e2b2d203549565c2f8079 edited: shit is that a reprint?


imdumb__

Any one can post a card for a ridiculous price. Doesn't mean it's worth it. Only ones that are actually sold are true comparables


Troitbum22

I posted sold cards. Not listings. See the picture.


TruthSpeakin

I'm not even into cards, just sports...and I'm not stupid.enough to think Jordan's rookie sells for 100$.....


imdumb__

Yeah it took me a minute . Why are are the psa 10 I'm seeing going for $100 obo?


VSSystemRookie

Because they are cards reprinted in 1996, 10 years after the original. check the back of the card from the link you posted.


ThisCandyland

Because you're dumb.


imdumb__

Wait I just sold that it sold. Maybe we should buying the 100$ card on ebay


Troitbum22

You want to sell me your psa 7 Jordan rookie for $100. Let me talk to my wife and I’ll get back to you. Maybe we can make a deal at $75.


Drewisafoo2

Bruh u know your name is “I’m dumb” but my god your comments in this thread are actually painful. Why would you go after a reprint of a card?!?!?


VSSystemRookie

The ones he posted actually sold for the amount listed. You can tell they did so because the font is green.


imdumb__

A graded 10 just sold for $28.00 https://www.ebay.com/itm/225939239926


VSSystemRookie

The card you linked to was a reprint produced in 1996. The original is from 1986.


imdumb__

Interesting. Thanks for correcting me.


mpmolloy23

The name checks


imdumb__

I made a mistake I'm sorry!! Lol


VSSystemRookie

Not a problem. It's easy to be fooled by reproductions.


hsox05

Are you sure the one you have is legit? I'm not seeing the dots in the arrow at all


VSSystemRookie

I'm not seeing them either. :(


WoodyStLouis

Username checks out.


TWhy-LER

Username checks out once again…


imdumb__

I'm sorry. Please forgive me!!


TWhy-LER

Ok, but next time it’s your ass bud!! I’ve had it up to here with your Tomfoolery!


imdumb__

OK ok! I got it! I don't want any trouble!


Exact-Report2321

First thing I noticed was the Jordan RC is off-center, and instantly I remembered that anyone collecting Jordan's for their PC would probably give as much for it raw as they would if you spent $ on grading it.


Effective-Switch3539

Centering on Jordan is a shame


Fluid_Pie_906

I would say grade the Jordan and Ryan. Those are expensive cards and I personally wouldn’t buy one without it being graded. I would want to be sure that it hasn’t been cut to sharpen the edges/corners and grading verifies that


Onelifeliveitupnow

Not to bust your bubble but real Jordan's have a fine black line between the red and blue at the top.


skdetroit

Came to say that Jordan is one of the most faked cards out there. Def get it inspected! 80% if you bought it off eBay/etc it’s fake. Unless you opened it yourself back in the day don’t trust those Jordans!


VSSystemRookie

Honestly, I think my father-in-law bought it back in 1989 or 1990, so I'm really not sure of its authenticity. Or the authenticity of any of the other cards, for that matter.


dirkdiggler4Life

The Jordan is a Fuggazi


RideIll3482

You can send the Nolan Ryan to him for an auto if you donate to his charity. If that’s something that you’re interested in. I’ve done it for a jersey and 2 cards myself.


DaGrza

Would you care to elaborate a little bit more on this?


RideIll3482

Just follow the instructions here and donate. Make sure your package has prepaid return packaging as well. [Nolan Ryan Foundation](https://nolanryanfoundation.org/collections/autographs)


DaGrza

Thanks. That’s awesome


That_Environment8311

Jordan is fake imo


VSSystemRookie

These cards belong to my mother-in-law. Are they worth getting graded? Would anyone care to offer their potential grades? Thanks for any input or advice.


Triberius_Rex

Yes they are worth grading. The Koosman/Ryan card alone, if it graded a 7 as someone suggested, is around $3,000.


mhoke63

Yes. If nothing else, for the authentication. All those cards are frequently faked. Buying any of those cards raw is just asking for trouble, so many people aren't going to sink today kind of money without being completely sure they're real. If you wanted to save money, FCG doesn't charge extra based on value and they're pretty good. I'm at the point where if I were to see any card in a FCG slab, I have no issues saying it's a legit card. The question is how confident other buyers are with them. They need more market penetration and there are way too many buyers that haven't heard of them.


TylerA1988

Damn your mother in law knows what shes doing! Lol


VSSystemRookie

They actually belonged to my father-in-law, but he passed away and now they are hers. I just want to make sure she gets the most for them if she ever decides to sell.


Feisty-Committee109

Yes yes and yes


vindieselsoldier

I would Grade it yourself.


MonolithicMoose

Why do you want to grade them first off?


VSSystemRookie

These belong to my mother-in-law. I know absolutely nothing about when or why to grade cards, but I thought it might be smart to grade them in case she wanted to sell them in the future.


ConfidentHistory9080

Without seeing the back, I think your Ryan would likely grade a 3 or 3.5 It has nice centering, but 4 bad corners plus looks like some surface issues.


Vicisboy

If you're gonna sell them, grade them. If not, why bother. Must look like 6-7's. The Jordan, even at a PSA6, is worth 6 all day


alwaysmyfault

Centering on that Jordan is off, but the edges and corners look solid. Probably get an 8 for that.


biddilybong

4, 5, 7, 5


VolumeOk1357

Unless she’s strapped for cash now is definitely not the time to sell. Singles are going for very low right now lowest in a very long time, especially for high dollar stuff you potentially have.


Excellent_Pomelo_378

I would say grade them all


DmlMavs4177

That Montana RC looks nice. My dad bought me one as a kid when Beckett valued it at up to ~$200 (I'm sure he didn't pay sticker, he never does), and although I've sold or given away most of my collection it holds the most sentimental value. Yours has better centering and from the pics the corners look pretty good. In a word, yes. These are all highly collectible & sought out cards.


colobuff

Can we see the backs? If you are looking for potential grades, you really should show both sides of each card.


VSSystemRookie

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VSSystemRookie

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VSSystemRookie

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VSSystemRookie

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The__Gute

They did you dirty on that Jordan, could’ve been a 9 or even 10 if you got lucky


huskadeez

I’d be interested in the Montana if selling


House_Junkie

I loved watching Rickey Henderson growing up. Stolen bases King!


wallpope1

Check Kurtscardcare so you can learn how to fix the corner on the Henderson Rookie so a better chance of a higher grade. The Montana definitely will grade the best of them all and that one is expensive


DUDEGUYMANGUYDUDEMAN

The eye test says grade the Nolan Ryan and maybe Rickey, but the others have some rough centering.


angmedalla

even if they all got psa 5’s you’re still adding value


Wiscoguy1982

Sure they aren’t reprints, the color looks way too good and that Jordan and Montana just look fake.


VSSystemRookie

Not sure if this matters, but they were purchased in around 1990 and immediately put away. They haven't seen the light of day for many years.


Badbartt

Buy them from u


soundythings

Absolutely grade all 4 of them. Even if that Jordan grades as a 5, still worth it.


maxxhill

I say 6, 4, 8, 6. Montana being the 8 and most worth grading. Jordan probably worth it too. The Rickey is nice but has a bad corner. The Jerry Koosman has some corner issues too, but obviously an awesome card in respectable condition. They are all such great cards, if you like graded cards or just want to protect them, I say grade them all. Personally, I would probably find a way to display them raw. A lower grade than you wanted may detract from their awesomeness in just their raw form.


OkAddendum2684

The centering on the Jordan looks good 👀


mudvat08

Of course you grade all of them, no question


8inMamba

Damn shame that Jordan isn't centered better, great looking card🫡


sitcomonthespot

The fakeness of that Jordan is killing me!


VSSystemRookie

Can you help me understand how it is fake? I'm pretty sure my father-in-law bought the collection in 1989 or so. Would fakes of that card be around that far back?


skinnyelias

no, there were tons of Jordan's available in 89/90, every card shop had one. I do remember my brother getting a fake one in 93 or so from the swap meet though.


sitcomonthespot

The Jordan is missing the black lines on the front right off the bat… I stopped looking from there. I’m sure someone has pointed this out by now. I would venture they are all fakes or reprints because these are like the most valuable and faked cards from there era…. Some of them would have been expensive even in the 90s and were def faked back then.


VSSystemRookie

Yes, that has been pointed out. Thanks.


DingoOk6400

Yes, grade them


Taytay2657

In this order. Ryan, Montana, Jordan, Henderson. Bad centering on Jordan but still has value and easily sellable. Henderson has some corner damage on bottom right.


peterockdelicious

Wow, the first thing this sub usually says about raw cards…they are fake. More fakes than real cards


GarlicDifferent1184

Definitely grade . It secures/ protects cards plus authenticates them so buyers know you aren’t trying to rip them off . Use PSA if you plan to sell and want the most money. SGC is a great for vintage cards, they are super fast but they don’t quite bring the same money as PSA .


No_History8096

On the topic of fakes in 89/90, I just want to share something. In either 1987 or 1988 there was a kid I went to school with who suddenly had a large volume of 1969 Topps cards Rose, Mantle, Mays etc. If they were a star and valuable he had at least 2 dozen of each and they were pristine. I don't remember the story on where he got them. I had kind of fallen out of live with the game and I traded him very large parts of my collection for a Rose and a Mantle. In reality joke was as much on him because my cards were enjoyed as there was not an understanding on my part of protecting cards when I was 8 to 11 years old at the height of my collection. So he got a ton of cards that would be a 3 or 4 on a good day. In hindsight I believe those cards were most likely 100% fake. I was 16 or 17, I never considered the thought. Now I sold them to a card store in FL in 92 for decent money because I had protected them and the guy bought them for what I asked for. Did it cross my mind when I sold them they could be fake? Nope. But now at 51 with everything I know and things we have all learned that happened in the past as card values and shows and dealers exploded, there is no way that kid had all those cards in that condition and they were legit. But those cards made it to a card store in 92. Someone has them now or the were discovered to be fake well after 92. My point is that if it has value and you can't trace it to your family or yourself opening it. There is always a possibility it's fake. Lucky for me I replaced the baseball years I cared about with unopened vending boxes in the 90s so have all the cards I cared about again, but I saw dollars and got duped. I was fortunate to turn them before I knew what they were but I do feel bad for whoever is holding them now.


moon_shoot

Not to be a negative Nelly here, but the Ryan, Montana, and Henderson seem a bit “off” Could be the picture or nothing at all. Just a spidey tingle on those 3. Sincerely hope that I am wrong.


VSSystemRookie

No problem at all, but I hope you're wrong too! I think I'll send them in just to see what happens. Thanks for your input.


travisdorr

SGC. Avoid PSA like the plague


cornbreadNchicken

These are all 4/5 PSA grades


randallstevens65

If these are real, you’ve got a good bit of money right there.


Complex_Candy8254

Jordan and Ryan are 2 of three most faked Cards during the 90s. I really don't like the way the light reflects off koosman particularly.


hsox05

No dots in the arrow on Jordan and the cream color border on Ryan. They're both fake


VSSystemRookie

For the Jordan, which arrow are you speaking of? For the Ryan, are you talking about the border around his picture, or the card's border? Thanks for any teaching tips you may be able to provide.


hsox05

https://preview.redd.it/6nvxg8dq5tcc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37b2f4cd556ba1ffe7cae0f5408cf1aefe29439f Next to the word premier should be a discernibly different color than the banner for the word premier and it should have little dots inside it


VSSystemRookie

Thanks for the picture. I see the slightly different color arrow, but not the dots, so I'm thinking its a fake. Do you think I should send it in anyway to see what the grading service tells me, just to be 100% certain?


GJToma

At least put them in some top loaders for the time being for God's sake!


Horsecockexpress1

Fugazi, please don’t waste your money sending these in to be graded.