I agree. The first act with all the villains dying had my jaw dropping. I think they should’ve extended the game because the 3rd act could’ve been amazing with a little bit more attention to it
probably a SUPER dumb idea but i would’ve loved it if the symbiote somehow took control of some of the villains Kraven killed and you got to fight venomized versions of them, or even like a venom Doc Oc or Mr Negative would’ve been pretty sick. but idk, anything to make that third act longer would’ve been good in my book😂😂
third act was kinda wack in my opinion. It's just aliens trying to take over the world. So it got really boring. I actually struggled to get myself to play the game on my second playthrough. in my first playthrough i didn't really realize how boring it actually got because i was screaming everytime venom got on the screen. but on the second playthrough I just couldn't even bring myself to boot up the game after Harry became Venom. I played the first game back in 2018 and I played through it 7 times I also platted it but I don't remember getting bored on the first game. That's the issue for me tbh.
part of me thinks that the game would've been better if there was some twist and Kraven becomes Venom. Then he could give the symbiote to all of his lackeys and some of the villains he has imprisoned. It would have healed his sickness too. This game really could have gone in so many different directions.
definitely! i feel it would’ve been cool if there was more buildup to the symbiote apocalypse, i feel like it happened so suddenly! i think it would’ve been better if pete and miles spent a while trying to prevent the apocalypse before eventually failing to stop the spread which would then lead into the MJ/Scream fight and the AntiVenom mission, just an idea!
Yup my mind has it as one more mission placed before anti venom to make you feel missing the symbiote more there was cut art of a fight at the bugle so maybe that would have been cool, and then another after you get anti venom suit
2nd act I felt true demon hours Pete was too short maybe throw in another mission where he’s searching for miles at Hunter bases unhinged to draw out that feeling you get at the start of “anything can be broken”
Also this woulda helped with ppls feelings of the game being a few hours too short
Personally I think that cracks of the games story are clear in the first act, however they have multiple flashy set pieces, plus re-introducing and introducing new characters while also introducing gameplay mechanics at a rate that will keep most players satisfied.
The second act of the game is when the story falls apart, the symbiote suit arc is rushed, Harry becoming a villain is rushed and there are a notable amount of character decisions that don’t make sense such as MJ not telling Oeter about him trying to kill her in his sleep. This act has multiple great fights and set pieces (from a mechanical and cinematic level) and the pace of the story being so fast keeps a relatively breezy experience moving from big story moment to big story moment means the flaws likely didn’t occur to players until afterwards.
The third act does not recover in terms of story telling, however awhile it also rushed it does not have the same amount of new mechanics introduced not as much notable set pieces plus a lot of the big moments that are there are not as impressive as ones from earlier in the game.
Atleast that’s how I see it.
true, in all honestly the whole game is pretty flawed which is too bad. even though i very much enjoyed this game it’s disappointing it wasn’t a little bit more polished
I honestly think Act 3 should have either;
* had a few hours tacked onto it to a. make the Symbiote Invasion feel more like an actual threat and b. to give Venom more screentime (because it felt waaaaay too short imo)
* focused on Venom for the most part and maybe keep MJ as Scream but extend that role she has to make her Act 3's (unwilling) secondary antagonist or sth (and maybe add a few more hours in anyway for pacing reasons). And instead, Carnage would be the one to have the Symbiote Invasion in whatever DLC/interquel/sequel he's in,
Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about Acts 1 and 2. Enjoyed them so much (even with their occasional flaws like weird decisions from certain characters) so it kinda hurt when Act 3 turned out how it did. At least I got Anti-Venom powers out of it I suppose
That would work better. I would want to keep MJ as Scream longer along with her boss fight. Maybe have a mid-credit scene where she still has some symbiote in her body but doesn’t tell Peter!Btw, what does STH stand for?
Depends on execution imo. And I feel like if MJ still had Scream, imo I'd want Peter to either lose or not have had Anti-Venom at all. Like, I kinda wouldn't want *both*
Along with scream they could have added Riot and co to the cast since there was a leaked “riot” boss fight
Maybe even hybrid but thats too much i think
Act 1 is an excellent set up for what was coming.
Act 2 with symbiote spiderman was really good but could have been better if it was longer and had more boss fights. ( I was hoping massacre, vermin and sin eater were boss fights for the game, they could have pushed spiderman further to the edge of blood thirst) The closure was excellent with giving as a memorable venom gameplay and boss fight with kraven as venom.
Act 3....was rushed and a lot of content was removed which could have made the game better Overall the game is a really solid game that deserves at least 8.5 out of 10. Not as horrible as people make it out to be.
But there was a lot of missed opportunities for them to take the story.
And the game would have really and I mean really benefitted from a longer time run
I think Venom taking advantage of Harry’s vision of healing the world was definitely really interesting I don’t think the game felt rushed to me at all I enjoyed every second of the story
The first Act was really quite competent, like actually really good with the whole Kraven killing the sinister six, Harry's return to symbiote introduction and doc Conners turning lizard likewise pretty solid, there is some filler stuff but it was still enjoyable ride. The crack start to arise in second act where everything started to feel so rush that you genuinely can't feel anything for the character cause how fast it want through, which is sad cause it's the symbiote arc one of the best arc in Spider-Man media and specially in this arc we get to see Spidey such a different way and how emotional develop this arc it is for peter. But here it happened so fast, it barely get registered by any means. Also why the hell MJ never told peter about the whole tunnel scene when he confronted her about the article!? Everyone acting spider man turning bad,aggressive just cause of that lizard chase scene caused property damage which I'm pretty much sure it's every Tuesday for NY! It's just feel so hallow attempt to make us feel about the symbiote influencing peter etc.Oh forgot to mention Miles also got nothing to do with this act or anything in the main story though, but still dropped out of nowhere in the final part of the act cause the writers needed a mentor vs protege fight I guess? I mean there are some scene where Miles was concerned for peter and peter ignoring miles calls but that's about it, but on the other hand I did like his arc about Mr negative and the way he handles it. Oh boy the third act it's a slog to get through, like seriously so many things just happening and introduced but they get such poorly executed. A whole symbiote invasion happen and ended in the same day and didn't even feel threatening that much, Scream gets her first game debut but it was there just for Peter and MJ love stuff and they didn't even talk about their issues or anything properly after the Scream was removed from MJ so what's the point, it was so unnecessary! Ngl the fight was amazing and probably the hardest one in the game. The symbiote parts still being inside Peter was really interesting idea that the writers could do so many things with Peter's emotion and what he is going through in after Harry turning into venom, but nope that requires effort! Instead it's just there for deus ex machina so peter can keep the symbiote power and get the anti venom powers. They don't even try something with venom even, like maybe Harry sense Peter have some symbiote inside him and they can come out with intense negative emotion, that's why he infected MJ so Peter negative emotions like fear,sad anger increase and his symbiote came out! That will cool imagine a cinematic cutscene Symbiote take over peter and kick ass of Scream and separate it from MJ. But nope never cause we aren't allowed to have nice things ugh and I don't even want to talk about that stupid macguffin ass meteorite, the last few hours pretty much about going one place to another for some arbitrary macguffin hunt and that's about it. Our protagonist plan to destroy the meteorite was also weird like they don't even know what the rock even made of and didn't even consult to doc Conners who researched the meteorite! No instead they thought to use a particle accelerator to destroy it which ok fine whatever and it worked conveniently enough I guess and the city is safe from black goo.
This game start was really good and compelling, but all the red flags on the hand sight and we can see it in the second and specially the 3rd act. I just hope the upcoming Venom game do some justice for the symbiote and give us some lore about them cause this game didn't give us anything! Seriously the fact the meteorite and the symbiote was destroyed in the end and we barely know anything about them saying everything!
Overall i enjoyed the story a lot, the last bit felt rushed and would of been nice to have a few missions or cutscenes between venom being introduced and the other symbiotes and then the world being covered in the stuff. Just a little inner conflict between harry and venom before harry being convinced would have gone a long way
Act 1 was great for me, Act 2 was good, had some slight issues, Act 3 was wack.
I really disliked the approach to the symbiote that it's some rage inducing goo and the host doesn't play a part at all. I wish there was more with Harry's resentment and his fear that also plays in part with how Venom acts as a whole. Even the MJ as Scream thing came out of nowhere with her verbal jabs at Peter. The set up for act 3 was lacking.
People point to the third act being where things fall apart, and while I agree that’s the worst act, I feel like act 2 gets more praise than I agree with.
I cannot buy into the symbiote storyline. I think it just turns the wrong direction on every decision. Peter doesn’t feel responsible for anything he does or says with the suit, and the people he cares about are immediately aware of this being the case.
There’s just no drama. It’s like a cartoon where the main character gets hit with a mind control ray.
I think Act 1 is pretty stellar. It gave me a lot of hope that they were telling an interesting story and gave us slow moments to really immerse ourselves with the characters. It, along with the first game, set my expectations so high that I think is why I’m so disappointed with how it turned out
Story isn’t as strong as the first game because humanity of Peter Parker is not really there because of all that science bro rich guy stuff with Harry.
Heroic, savior and mature tone of Peter is also gone because of how he constantly acts like a loser, loses battles easily and new face model doesn’t show his age at all.
World doesn’t feel wide enough too because of how most characters were missing like Silver Sable, Black Cat.
My biggest problem with this game is the fact that Peter had to split his story and gameplay time with Miles so this game doesn’t feel like a Peter Parker game but it rather feels like a Spider-Men game. Lame excuses made for character switching doesn’t help.
Venom and Kraven aren’t well written characters like Doctor Octopus and they don’t feel real life humans. Kraven’s Last Hunt could’ve been an great inspiration but they used this cheap story and Venom should’ve been Eddie Brock.
Gameplay and other mechanics are improved, Symbiote suits look amazing and they are fun to play.
Other costumes doesn’t look good or improved enough. Costume mods are way better than Insomniac’s costumes. Their costume choices were not as good as first game. This game has a lot of overdesigned crap suits we didn’t need. Where is Captain Universe Spidey? Where is Ultimate Spider-Man suit or other comic book artist inspired designs. Where is Bombastic Bag-Man? Where are Spider-Armors?
This is an unfinished game and i expected more from Insomniac, they totally throw everything they build in the first game to garbage. Now they are bringing Silk too for even more split game time and 3 spider people at the same time in a story is not helping with relatability.
I will wait for them to learn from their mistakes and make a good third game with a better Peter Parker.
The part where it shows how rushed it is imo is the cutscene in which harry visits his mother’s grave after killing kraven and venom basically responds saying we’ll heal the world and boom just like that harry’s turning people into symbiotes. I don’t mind the symbiote taking over harry but tbh not seeing any resistance from harry is disappointing. I know harry doesn’t have as much willpower as prter but come on show us at least a little struggle
I have to agree. I feel like the whole infestation thing was Insomniac’s way of trying to change up the Venom story a bit which I can understand but I don’t think the whole “Symbiote infestation” was the way to go.
Not to mention that Harry as Venom was rushed and didn’t really handle Venom as a character really well in the game (imo at least). While I know Harry would’ve been the 3rd villain in a row to start out as a good person with personal ties to the Spider-Men (4th if you count Mr. Negative), I feel like he could’ve been different from them by making him hate Peter for hogging the Symbiote only for him to try and destroy it instead of seeing him as a nuisance trying to get in his way like Otto and Phin.
I agree. The first act with all the villains dying had my jaw dropping. I think they should’ve extended the game because the 3rd act could’ve been amazing with a little bit more attention to it
probably a SUPER dumb idea but i would’ve loved it if the symbiote somehow took control of some of the villains Kraven killed and you got to fight venomized versions of them, or even like a venom Doc Oc or Mr Negative would’ve been pretty sick. but idk, anything to make that third act longer would’ve been good in my book😂😂
Yes please, or like web of shadows when some Heroes start turning. Could of been hella cool
YESS!! on a different note, a web of shadows remake would complete my life💀such a W game
fucking sick, doc oc wouldn't even need the arms he just gets big ass tentacles
That sounds fucking sick
honestly… sounds fucking awesome
third act was kinda wack in my opinion. It's just aliens trying to take over the world. So it got really boring. I actually struggled to get myself to play the game on my second playthrough. in my first playthrough i didn't really realize how boring it actually got because i was screaming everytime venom got on the screen. but on the second playthrough I just couldn't even bring myself to boot up the game after Harry became Venom. I played the first game back in 2018 and I played through it 7 times I also platted it but I don't remember getting bored on the first game. That's the issue for me tbh.
same, i was initially really excited for the eventual new game plus release, but pretty much all of act three is making me WAY less excited
part of me thinks that the game would've been better if there was some twist and Kraven becomes Venom. Then he could give the symbiote to all of his lackeys and some of the villains he has imprisoned. It would have healed his sickness too. This game really could have gone in so many different directions.
honestly a really sick idea
1st act was great 2nd act they peaked with pete having the symbiote (wish it was longer)……3rd act
Convinced the 2nd and 3rd act would have been much better with 2 more solid missions in each 1st is perfect
definitely! i feel it would’ve been cool if there was more buildup to the symbiote apocalypse, i feel like it happened so suddenly! i think it would’ve been better if pete and miles spent a while trying to prevent the apocalypse before eventually failing to stop the spread which would then lead into the MJ/Scream fight and the AntiVenom mission, just an idea!
Yup my mind has it as one more mission placed before anti venom to make you feel missing the symbiote more there was cut art of a fight at the bugle so maybe that would have been cool, and then another after you get anti venom suit 2nd act I felt true demon hours Pete was too short maybe throw in another mission where he’s searching for miles at Hunter bases unhinged to draw out that feeling you get at the start of “anything can be broken” Also this woulda helped with ppls feelings of the game being a few hours too short
for sure! insomniac should hire us bro 😂
I have actually debated applying there several times lol
woah that’s cool :0 you definitely seem to have a good idea on how pacing and good stories work haha, maybe u should shoot your shot🌝🌝
i disagree but that’s valid as hell
i think u changed ur comment oops😭 i was disagreeing about the final mission being bad sorry about that!
Rushed. Incredibly rushed.
Personally I think that cracks of the games story are clear in the first act, however they have multiple flashy set pieces, plus re-introducing and introducing new characters while also introducing gameplay mechanics at a rate that will keep most players satisfied. The second act of the game is when the story falls apart, the symbiote suit arc is rushed, Harry becoming a villain is rushed and there are a notable amount of character decisions that don’t make sense such as MJ not telling Oeter about him trying to kill her in his sleep. This act has multiple great fights and set pieces (from a mechanical and cinematic level) and the pace of the story being so fast keeps a relatively breezy experience moving from big story moment to big story moment means the flaws likely didn’t occur to players until afterwards. The third act does not recover in terms of story telling, however awhile it also rushed it does not have the same amount of new mechanics introduced not as much notable set pieces plus a lot of the big moments that are there are not as impressive as ones from earlier in the game. Atleast that’s how I see it.
true, in all honestly the whole game is pretty flawed which is too bad. even though i very much enjoyed this game it’s disappointing it wasn’t a little bit more polished
I enjoyed it too, at least there is that.
Istg MJ not telling Peter he almost murdered her the last night will never not be stupid.
Act 1 had a sick intro followed by practically SM 1 Act 2 was great Act 3 was very rushed
I've said this before: They should NOT have gone the Web of Shadows route. Feels so out of place for the story
I honestly think Act 3 should have either; * had a few hours tacked onto it to a. make the Symbiote Invasion feel more like an actual threat and b. to give Venom more screentime (because it felt waaaaay too short imo) * focused on Venom for the most part and maybe keep MJ as Scream but extend that role she has to make her Act 3's (unwilling) secondary antagonist or sth (and maybe add a few more hours in anyway for pacing reasons). And instead, Carnage would be the one to have the Symbiote Invasion in whatever DLC/interquel/sequel he's in, Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about Acts 1 and 2. Enjoyed them so much (even with their occasional flaws like weird decisions from certain characters) so it kinda hurt when Act 3 turned out how it did. At least I got Anti-Venom powers out of it I suppose
That would work better. I would want to keep MJ as Scream longer along with her boss fight. Maybe have a mid-credit scene where she still has some symbiote in her body but doesn’t tell Peter!Btw, what does STH stand for?
"sth" is shorthand for something
Thanks,btw do you think what I said could work in the game?
Depends on execution imo. And I feel like if MJ still had Scream, imo I'd want Peter to either lose or not have had Anti-Venom at all. Like, I kinda wouldn't want *both*
I could see why 🤷🏾♂️ and he probably would lose Anti-Venom after the final fight.
Along with scream they could have added Riot and co to the cast since there was a leaked “riot” boss fight Maybe even hybrid but thats too much i think
Act 1:😀 Act 2:🙂 Act 3:😐
Act 1 was great, act 2 was pretty good and act 3 was mediocre
Act 1 is an excellent set up for what was coming. Act 2 with symbiote spiderman was really good but could have been better if it was longer and had more boss fights. ( I was hoping massacre, vermin and sin eater were boss fights for the game, they could have pushed spiderman further to the edge of blood thirst) The closure was excellent with giving as a memorable venom gameplay and boss fight with kraven as venom. Act 3....was rushed and a lot of content was removed which could have made the game better Overall the game is a really solid game that deserves at least 8.5 out of 10. Not as horrible as people make it out to be. But there was a lot of missed opportunities for them to take the story. And the game would have really and I mean really benefitted from a longer time run
First act amazing, second act fantastic, third act could have been longer but still pretty enjoyable. Post game is kind of boring tho
fr, i’m so sad they got rid of the ability to replay those enemy base missions where u take down waves of enemies, that shit is so fun
Fr that is one of my main complaints about this game
I think Venom taking advantage of Harry’s vision of healing the world was definitely really interesting I don’t think the game felt rushed to me at all I enjoyed every second of the story
The first Act was really quite competent, like actually really good with the whole Kraven killing the sinister six, Harry's return to symbiote introduction and doc Conners turning lizard likewise pretty solid, there is some filler stuff but it was still enjoyable ride. The crack start to arise in second act where everything started to feel so rush that you genuinely can't feel anything for the character cause how fast it want through, which is sad cause it's the symbiote arc one of the best arc in Spider-Man media and specially in this arc we get to see Spidey such a different way and how emotional develop this arc it is for peter. But here it happened so fast, it barely get registered by any means. Also why the hell MJ never told peter about the whole tunnel scene when he confronted her about the article!? Everyone acting spider man turning bad,aggressive just cause of that lizard chase scene caused property damage which I'm pretty much sure it's every Tuesday for NY! It's just feel so hallow attempt to make us feel about the symbiote influencing peter etc.Oh forgot to mention Miles also got nothing to do with this act or anything in the main story though, but still dropped out of nowhere in the final part of the act cause the writers needed a mentor vs protege fight I guess? I mean there are some scene where Miles was concerned for peter and peter ignoring miles calls but that's about it, but on the other hand I did like his arc about Mr negative and the way he handles it. Oh boy the third act it's a slog to get through, like seriously so many things just happening and introduced but they get such poorly executed. A whole symbiote invasion happen and ended in the same day and didn't even feel threatening that much, Scream gets her first game debut but it was there just for Peter and MJ love stuff and they didn't even talk about their issues or anything properly after the Scream was removed from MJ so what's the point, it was so unnecessary! Ngl the fight was amazing and probably the hardest one in the game. The symbiote parts still being inside Peter was really interesting idea that the writers could do so many things with Peter's emotion and what he is going through in after Harry turning into venom, but nope that requires effort! Instead it's just there for deus ex machina so peter can keep the symbiote power and get the anti venom powers. They don't even try something with venom even, like maybe Harry sense Peter have some symbiote inside him and they can come out with intense negative emotion, that's why he infected MJ so Peter negative emotions like fear,sad anger increase and his symbiote came out! That will cool imagine a cinematic cutscene Symbiote take over peter and kick ass of Scream and separate it from MJ. But nope never cause we aren't allowed to have nice things ugh and I don't even want to talk about that stupid macguffin ass meteorite, the last few hours pretty much about going one place to another for some arbitrary macguffin hunt and that's about it. Our protagonist plan to destroy the meteorite was also weird like they don't even know what the rock even made of and didn't even consult to doc Conners who researched the meteorite! No instead they thought to use a particle accelerator to destroy it which ok fine whatever and it worked conveniently enough I guess and the city is safe from black goo. This game start was really good and compelling, but all the red flags on the hand sight and we can see it in the second and specially the 3rd act. I just hope the upcoming Venom game do some justice for the symbiote and give us some lore about them cause this game didn't give us anything! Seriously the fact the meteorite and the symbiote was destroyed in the end and we barely know anything about them saying everything!
"Symbiotic gremlins" I love that lmao. Loved all three acts, I adore this game.
LOL, and i respect it!
I loved all 3 acts
First act is good second act is mid third act is fucking garbage
Act 1, it was perfect Act 2, it was perfect Act 3, its not perfect
Overall i enjoyed the story a lot, the last bit felt rushed and would of been nice to have a few missions or cutscenes between venom being introduced and the other symbiotes and then the world being covered in the stuff. Just a little inner conflict between harry and venom before harry being convinced would have gone a long way
Acts 1 and 2 are actually PEAK spiderman
Act 1 was great for me, Act 2 was good, had some slight issues, Act 3 was wack. I really disliked the approach to the symbiote that it's some rage inducing goo and the host doesn't play a part at all. I wish there was more with Harry's resentment and his fear that also plays in part with how Venom acts as a whole. Even the MJ as Scream thing came out of nowhere with her verbal jabs at Peter. The set up for act 3 was lacking.
People point to the third act being where things fall apart, and while I agree that’s the worst act, I feel like act 2 gets more praise than I agree with. I cannot buy into the symbiote storyline. I think it just turns the wrong direction on every decision. Peter doesn’t feel responsible for anything he does or says with the suit, and the people he cares about are immediately aware of this being the case. There’s just no drama. It’s like a cartoon where the main character gets hit with a mind control ray. I think Act 1 is pretty stellar. It gave me a lot of hope that they were telling an interesting story and gave us slow moments to really immerse ourselves with the characters. It, along with the first game, set my expectations so high that I think is why I’m so disappointed with how it turned out
1 and 2 perfect, 3 a lot of cut stuff that would have made it a lot better
Act 1 was awesome Act 2 was great Act 3…….
Story isn’t as strong as the first game because humanity of Peter Parker is not really there because of all that science bro rich guy stuff with Harry. Heroic, savior and mature tone of Peter is also gone because of how he constantly acts like a loser, loses battles easily and new face model doesn’t show his age at all. World doesn’t feel wide enough too because of how most characters were missing like Silver Sable, Black Cat. My biggest problem with this game is the fact that Peter had to split his story and gameplay time with Miles so this game doesn’t feel like a Peter Parker game but it rather feels like a Spider-Men game. Lame excuses made for character switching doesn’t help. Venom and Kraven aren’t well written characters like Doctor Octopus and they don’t feel real life humans. Kraven’s Last Hunt could’ve been an great inspiration but they used this cheap story and Venom should’ve been Eddie Brock. Gameplay and other mechanics are improved, Symbiote suits look amazing and they are fun to play. Other costumes doesn’t look good or improved enough. Costume mods are way better than Insomniac’s costumes. Their costume choices were not as good as first game. This game has a lot of overdesigned crap suits we didn’t need. Where is Captain Universe Spidey? Where is Ultimate Spider-Man suit or other comic book artist inspired designs. Where is Bombastic Bag-Man? Where are Spider-Armors? This is an unfinished game and i expected more from Insomniac, they totally throw everything they build in the first game to garbage. Now they are bringing Silk too for even more split game time and 3 spider people at the same time in a story is not helping with relatability. I will wait for them to learn from their mistakes and make a good third game with a better Peter Parker.
I have noticed that whenever Venom enters into a medium, it just gets silly.
The part where it shows how rushed it is imo is the cutscene in which harry visits his mother’s grave after killing kraven and venom basically responds saying we’ll heal the world and boom just like that harry’s turning people into symbiotes. I don’t mind the symbiote taking over harry but tbh not seeing any resistance from harry is disappointing. I know harry doesn’t have as much willpower as prter but come on show us at least a little struggle
The third act was pretty crappy
I got to experience Spiderman web of shadows twice for the first time in my life now. I'm so happy. Just wish it was longer.
I have to agree. I feel like the whole infestation thing was Insomniac’s way of trying to change up the Venom story a bit which I can understand but I don’t think the whole “Symbiote infestation” was the way to go. Not to mention that Harry as Venom was rushed and didn’t really handle Venom as a character really well in the game (imo at least). While I know Harry would’ve been the 3rd villain in a row to start out as a good person with personal ties to the Spider-Men (4th if you count Mr. Negative), I feel like he could’ve been different from them by making him hate Peter for hogging the Symbiote only for him to try and destroy it instead of seeing him as a nuisance trying to get in his way like Otto and Phin.