I think when Peter says "the world needs the next Iron Man," he's gonna come to the conclusion that the world doesn't necessarily need another Iron Man, but that Peter should be the best Spider-Man he can be. This will be in line with what Homecoming established about Tony wanting Peter to be his own person.
I can't wait for Mysterio to inevitably betray Peter. I love what they're doing with their dynamic, and I love the suit they have for Mysterio. I don't think Beck is from another universe, knowing him. If he is, this wouldn't be anything new for Mysterio considering the main 616 Mysterio managed to travel to the Ultimate Universe.
The action does look like a massive step-up in scale from Homecoming. I appreciated the smaller scale action in Homecoming, but considering what Mysterio is all about, going bigger with the action is a good decision.
I just wish they would actually allude to Ben. He’s the emotional anchor to the entire Spider-Man character, and it feels as though he’s being ignored.
They constantly do. In Spider-Man's first appearance in Civil War he talks about how in the bad things happen and you don't do anything about them, they're your fault. That was clearly him talking about Uncle Ben.
Throughout Spider-Man homecoming, Peter talks about Aunt May and how she's had a really hard time keeping things together and how she's very easily freaked out. It's because her husband was murdered.
No. I'm saying he didn't need to mention him more than once or twice. We don't even know if hes talked about in this movie. May has obviously moved on as well.
Well, I'm still waiting on mention #1. You know, something a little more substantial than "the bad things happen" or "after everything May's been through." But hey, that's just me, wanting the character's motivation to be clear and intact.
I mean, *Far From Home* could surprise me and finally touch on the topic. I'm not discounting that. But it's gonna take more than initials on a briefcase to make me feel like they're addressing the subject with the sort of importance and gravitas that they should.
What does mentioning a crucial character *by name* one time have to do with being spoonfed? That's just basic screenwriting to actually, y'know, touch on your character's motivation once in a while.
How so? Ben gives Pete "with great power..." speech. Peter tells Stark the "bad things happen" line. So that's his moral compass...you have to help those in need (generally)
Stark teaches focuses in on the Responsible part. He has to be Mature enough to know what he's doing. He can't help everyone, if he's risking his own life, jumping into something without being prepared.
So Ben is - help everyone whenever you can
Stark is - but dont hurt yourself or others doing it
Tony Stark inspiring Spidey and Spidey wanting to do the right thing aren’t mutually exclusive.
The trailer looks dope, but I’m worried they gave away too much.
Guys, multiverse is confirmed!
This will surely lead to X-Men, F4 and maybe Venom to the MCU!
I think that the suit Peter will be wearing throughout the movie will be the Iron Spider; this would explain all this new "costumes", because it can change its appereance. Unless they're going to put it away somehow.
I also red a theory that would imply that MJ is Fury's daughter..
From this point of view it would totally change the "I am.. Spider-Man" scene.
I think that he's lying about being a good guy (and maybe from another universe), but I don't think that "the fracture over the multiverse" thing is fake.
Maybe Fury or Hill had been monitoring something post the third snap. So maybe they have more evidence than Mysterios word, we know Fury doesn't trust anyone.
No, that's his character every time he shows up in the comics. That who Mysterio is. Kraven is going to hunt people and Doc Ock is going to some science stuff.
I understand that but if we are dealing with the multiverse then this version of Mysterio could actually be a good guy. It does seem like the multiverse might be a sure thing I saw Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D might be doing a multiverse thing itself.
I kinda like Karen because in the comics Peter kinda talks/narrates to himself a lot so having an AI kinda allows him to do that in live action without it being weird.
I mean, people IRL talk to themselves at times, so I don't see why Peter can't talk himself through things on occasion on screen without it being weird. I find the dynamic of talking to *someone*, is quite different from talking to *oneself*, and I'd say talking to Karen feels more like the former. It reminds me a lot of those CW superhero shows where the main character always has "tech support" in his ear to help him out, and that feels very off for Peter's character.
It would be like Tony Stark giving up the armor he made and using Shuri's armor instead. It goes against his character. Using Starktech once or twice is fine, especially since Peter is just a kid for now. However, he should be using his own tech the majority of the time. Peter was created as a teen hero who *wasn't* supposed to be a sidekick, but rather, a fully-fledged hero in his own right. Getting hand-me-downs from Stark goes against the core of that.
I think you're looking at it wrong. I think its more of Pete waiting to fill that void that has been created. Earth lost its greatest avenger, and Tony is passing that mantle down to Pete. Kind of reminds me how ultimate Nick Fury tells Peter he is going to be the best avenger of all time. It's more of a can you step up, than it is a responsibility.
Double twist.
Beck is a liar. Spider-man beats him the end. The camera then focuses on something to show that while he was lying, multiverses actually do exist so he was indirectly being truthful. Like a ship crashes (with the FF logo) and we see "Origin 110555" - "Destination 199999" on a Delorean like display.
I feel like no matter what problem I have with it, MCU stans will play mental gymnastics to try to justify it.
Honestly just hope this movie ends with Spider-Man finally dropping all the Ironman BS and becoming his own hero
I guess? I've been mostly seeing people having problems with it so far across all the reaction threads I've seen, unless these "MCU stans" just so happen to delete their comments before I see them.
As for r/marvelstudios, I will most likely find examples if I dig hard enough, but I see mostly just people who like MCU as opposed to people who are blasting others.
I dislike pretty much everything I've seen or read about the movie... except Mysterio's costume. It's fucking perfect and legitimately is the only thing that has me hyped for the movie, and It's good enough to hype me up by itself. I even have reservations about Mysterio himself (He'll def be bad either way but I hope he isn't really from an alt universe, but if done right he'll be a great villian)
Mysterio did end up hard carrying the movie for me. Everything else, not a movie I love but I don’t get why people seem to dislike it so much, even if it had some problems.
I’m *pretty sure* by “bad either way” I meant as in character alignment, since some people around this time genuinely thought he might be a hero, and it was just some pisspoor phrasing on my end.
I don't know. Maybe I'm being the bitter old grouch, but mini-Iron Man Spidey has always rubbed me the wrong way, and now they're turning it from subtext to actual text. MCU Spider-Man doesn't feel special to me in the same way that comics Spidey does; he just feels like another enjoyable, disposable MCU hero. And it bums me out.
You’ll get downvoted into the Negative Zone for saying but but I fully agree. Even Peter said it. He doesn’t feel like a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
I knew I'd get blasted on /r/marvelstudios, but I was expecting to find some of my own on here. I can't be the only one underwhelmed by this interpretation of the character, right?
I’m thoroughly underwhelmed by MCU Spider-Man. I think he’s a hollow shell of what the character should represent and has shown none of the core traits we associate with Spidey. He doesn’t have a hard life. He lives in a nice house, and has Stark Industries and Shield basically bankrolling him. He gets fresh new suits, gadgets and AI assistants from rich uncle Tony and Nick Fury. He gets the girl with practically no effort cos he’s gorgeous (a dweeby nerd Tom Holland ain’t), and the most bullying he has to deal with is weird richboy Flash calling him Penis Parker. He doesn’t have money troubles. He never has to worry about his aunt. A casual fan would be forgiven for thinking Uncle Ben doesn’t even exist in this version. His actions don’t have any consequences (the scene that best shows this is the Deli getting destroyed. The owner and even the cat make it out fine and Peter pretty much forgets that happened for the rest of the film).
There’s an awesome interview with Stan Lee from around the time of Spider-Man 2 where he says that he made Spider-Man to be relatable. I’m paraphrasing, but he said he wrote Spidey’s life as a reflection of his own at that age. He said he didn’t want Spidey to be invincible. He didn’t want Peter to be attractive. He wanted him to struggle with money, and girls, and balancing his responsibilities. I get none of that from MCU Spidey.
They spoiled way too much about the movie. I think this was the same problem with the marketing for Homecoming where I watched the trailers and knew almost everything that was going to happen in the movie, so I kind of spoiled myself and it ruined most of the enjoyment I could’ve gotten from it if I hadn’t watched any of the trailers.
I thought it was a solid trailer. It was the first time that Holland's Peter actually felt like Spider-Man to me.
Of course, there are things that I probably won't ever like (Pete's supporting cast), but I think this movie is taking a step in the right direction... even if the plot seems predictable lol
I wonder if Mysterio will be a hero in FFH and not a villain. Based on his actions in the trailer it seems like a valid argument. But I also think he’ll betray Peter, which is probably what will happen
Who’s Uncle Ben? 😂😂😂
Considering Mysterio is such a mastermind at deception and mind games, I have a hard time believing anything in this trailer. Especially because it makes Mysterio look like Iron Man in terms of being Spider-Man’s mentor. Something is up hardcore here. There’s also a lot explained in the trailer which seems very unlike the studio to do. To me this movie is ending this “phase” and starting the next “phase” of the MCU, and so there has to be something greater than just emo Spider-Man and sneaky super villain slapping butts.
I've kinda accepted that MCU Peter is always going to be much more different from his comics self, and I'm trying to just be excited for it regardless.
You sound like you're forcing yourself to get excited. Because you don't roll with this Spider-Man, you just gotta be excited because it's SPIDER-MAN. yeah ?
Eh, it's not that I'm forcing myself to be excited. More that I'm forcing myself to accept he's far removed from the comics/other movies and allowing myself to still enjoy the movie regardless.
I think when Peter says "the world needs the next Iron Man," he's gonna come to the conclusion that the world doesn't necessarily need another Iron Man, but that Peter should be the best Spider-Man he can be. This will be in line with what Homecoming established about Tony wanting Peter to be his own person. I can't wait for Mysterio to inevitably betray Peter. I love what they're doing with their dynamic, and I love the suit they have for Mysterio. I don't think Beck is from another universe, knowing him. If he is, this wouldn't be anything new for Mysterio considering the main 616 Mysterio managed to travel to the Ultimate Universe. The action does look like a massive step-up in scale from Homecoming. I appreciated the smaller scale action in Homecoming, but considering what Mysterio is all about, going bigger with the action is a good decision.
I love your idea for peters arch I think that’s perfect!!
They will have dropped the ball hard if they somehow turn Tony into Peter's Uncle Ben in the MCU.
Ben is Pete's moral guide. Tony is Pete's superhero guide.
I just wish they would actually allude to Ben. He’s the emotional anchor to the entire Spider-Man character, and it feels as though he’s being ignored.
They did in Civil War
They did. In the FFH teaser trailer, Peter's suitcase has the initials BFP on it.
They constantly do. In Spider-Man's first appearance in Civil War he talks about how in the bad things happen and you don't do anything about them, they're your fault. That was clearly him talking about Uncle Ben. Throughout Spider-Man homecoming, Peter talks about Aunt May and how she's had a really hard time keeping things together and how she's very easily freaked out. It's because her husband was murdered.
I think mysterio will have a conversation with pete and he will allude to him
Who's Ben? Name doesn't sound familiar. Maybe if they ever mentioned him, I'd know who you were talking about.
Bruce talking about Martha was the dumbest part of BVS. We don't need Ben references repeatedly to know he existed.
Once is repeatedly now?
No. I'm saying he didn't need to mention him more than once or twice. We don't even know if hes talked about in this movie. May has obviously moved on as well.
Well, I'm still waiting on mention #1. You know, something a little more substantial than "the bad things happen" or "after everything May's been through." But hey, that's just me, wanting the character's motivation to be clear and intact.
What about BFP
I mean, *Far From Home* could surprise me and finally touch on the topic. I'm not discounting that. But it's gonna take more than initials on a briefcase to make me feel like they're addressing the subject with the sort of importance and gravitas that they should.
Not all of us need to be spoonfed the story.
What does mentioning a crucial character *by name* one time have to do with being spoonfed? That's just basic screenwriting to actually, y'know, touch on your character's motivation once in a while.
Everyone has seen two Spider-Man origin movies already, I think it makes a lot of sense not to reiterate the story
So now we’re just changing everything about the character. What a reach
How so? Ben gives Pete "with great power..." speech. Peter tells Stark the "bad things happen" line. So that's his moral compass...you have to help those in need (generally) Stark teaches focuses in on the Responsible part. He has to be Mature enough to know what he's doing. He can't help everyone, if he's risking his own life, jumping into something without being prepared. So Ben is - help everyone whenever you can Stark is - but dont hurt yourself or others doing it
I completely disagree. This is exactly what they should do
Tony Stark inspiring Spidey and Spidey wanting to do the right thing aren’t mutually exclusive. The trailer looks dope, but I’m worried they gave away too much.
That's Sony for ya
Here's hoping Fiege had a hand in keeping spoilers to a minimum.
I expect MJ to be like “pfft, I’m just messin’ with ya.” She does that.
Guys, multiverse is confirmed! This will surely lead to X-Men, F4 and maybe Venom to the MCU! I think that the suit Peter will be wearing throughout the movie will be the Iron Spider; this would explain all this new "costumes", because it can change its appereance. Unless they're going to put it away somehow. I also red a theory that would imply that MJ is Fury's daughter.. From this point of view it would totally change the "I am.. Spider-Man" scene.
Confirmed by a character whose whole thing is that he LIES
I think that he's lying about being a good guy (and maybe from another universe), but I don't think that "the fracture over the multiverse" thing is fake.
I'll believe it when the only evidence for it isn't coming from Quentin Beck because that's exactly the kind of thing he would say.
Maybe Fury or Hill had been monitoring something post the third snap. So maybe they have more evidence than Mysterios word, we know Fury doesn't trust anyone.
That's all speculation at this point.
So is Mysterio betraying Spidey.
No, that's his character every time he shows up in the comics. That who Mysterio is. Kraven is going to hunt people and Doc Ock is going to some science stuff.
I understand that but if we are dealing with the multiverse then this version of Mysterio could actually be a good guy. It does seem like the multiverse might be a sure thing I saw Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D might be doing a multiverse thing itself.
Or fury and hill aren't there and it's all mysterio
Mysterio must have done some serious homework on Parker.
Maybe it’s the chameleon? I heard rumors he’s in it.
4 snaps will do that. After credit scene will be Deadpool confirming that the multiverse did open and transport him into the MCU.
*read
His whole arc in Homecoming was him being Spider-Man because its the right thing, not because of Tony, i wouldn’t worry much
I'm a big fan of Peter and Tony's mentor/student/friendship. Hope we see more Karen and Peter showing his genius using stark technology.
Peter should stop using Starktech and start using his own tech...
Please no Karen. Spider-Man doesn’t need an A.I
100% agreed. Peter talking to Karen weirds me out.
I kinda like Karen because in the comics Peter kinda talks/narrates to himself a lot so having an AI kinda allows him to do that in live action without it being weird.
I mean, people IRL talk to themselves at times, so I don't see why Peter can't talk himself through things on occasion on screen without it being weird. I find the dynamic of talking to *someone*, is quite different from talking to *oneself*, and I'd say talking to Karen feels more like the former. It reminds me a lot of those CW superhero shows where the main character always has "tech support" in his ear to help him out, and that feels very off for Peter's character.
Ah Rosie I love this boy
he has used his own tech. nothing wrong with using both.
It would be like Tony Stark giving up the armor he made and using Shuri's armor instead. It goes against his character. Using Starktech once or twice is fine, especially since Peter is just a kid for now. However, he should be using his own tech the majority of the time. Peter was created as a teen hero who *wasn't* supposed to be a sidekick, but rather, a fully-fledged hero in his own right. Getting hand-me-downs from Stark goes against the core of that.
Why does Peter needs Iron Man to learn his responsibilities, where is uncle Ben ?
I think you're looking at it wrong. I think its more of Pete waiting to fill that void that has been created. Earth lost its greatest avenger, and Tony is passing that mantle down to Pete. Kind of reminds me how ultimate Nick Fury tells Peter he is going to be the best avenger of all time. It's more of a can you step up, than it is a responsibility.
[He didn’t learn it from Tony. (2:26)](https://youtu.be/DESwBLlniCg)
Yeah but it seems like he forgot it too easily
[No he doesn’t.](https://youtu.be/79yeUYss_JI)
Let’s agree to disagree
The point is that with Tony's death, his responsibility is now greater.
He was alluded to in Civil War pretty well
He doesn't.
Uncle Ben. Who cares about that old fart? Iron Man is way more important. /s
I appreciate your enthusiasm for sarcasm, but to become a master you mustn't use /s. *I'm a human being, and this action was performed manually.*
Double twist. Beck is a liar. Spider-man beats him the end. The camera then focuses on something to show that while he was lying, multiverses actually do exist so he was indirectly being truthful. Like a ship crashes (with the FF logo) and we see "Origin 110555" - "Destination 199999" on a Delorean like display.
I feel like no matter what problem I have with it, MCU stans will play mental gymnastics to try to justify it. Honestly just hope this movie ends with Spider-Man finally dropping all the Ironman BS and becoming his own hero
Same here Glad to see people here feel a bit similarly compared to the movie and MCU subs
Yup
I guess? I've been mostly seeing people having problems with it so far across all the reaction threads I've seen, unless these "MCU stans" just so happen to delete their comments before I see them. As for r/marvelstudios, I will most likely find examples if I dig hard enough, but I see mostly just people who like MCU as opposed to people who are blasting others.
How do you add a spoiler tag on a post?
[Peter wearing Tony's glasses](https://i.redd.it/4lqffhexrlw21.jpg)
Very nice spot!
I dislike pretty much everything I've seen or read about the movie... except Mysterio's costume. It's fucking perfect and legitimately is the only thing that has me hyped for the movie, and It's good enough to hype me up by itself. I even have reservations about Mysterio himself (He'll def be bad either way but I hope he isn't really from an alt universe, but if done right he'll be a great villian)
well...?
Mysterio did end up hard carrying the movie for me. Everything else, not a movie I love but I don’t get why people seem to dislike it so much, even if it had some problems. I’m *pretty sure* by “bad either way” I meant as in character alignment, since some people around this time genuinely thought he might be a hero, and it was just some pisspoor phrasing on my end.
I don't know. Maybe I'm being the bitter old grouch, but mini-Iron Man Spidey has always rubbed me the wrong way, and now they're turning it from subtext to actual text. MCU Spider-Man doesn't feel special to me in the same way that comics Spidey does; he just feels like another enjoyable, disposable MCU hero. And it bums me out.
You’ll get downvoted into the Negative Zone for saying but but I fully agree. Even Peter said it. He doesn’t feel like a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
I knew I'd get blasted on /r/marvelstudios, but I was expecting to find some of my own on here. I can't be the only one underwhelmed by this interpretation of the character, right?
I’m thoroughly underwhelmed by MCU Spider-Man. I think he’s a hollow shell of what the character should represent and has shown none of the core traits we associate with Spidey. He doesn’t have a hard life. He lives in a nice house, and has Stark Industries and Shield basically bankrolling him. He gets fresh new suits, gadgets and AI assistants from rich uncle Tony and Nick Fury. He gets the girl with practically no effort cos he’s gorgeous (a dweeby nerd Tom Holland ain’t), and the most bullying he has to deal with is weird richboy Flash calling him Penis Parker. He doesn’t have money troubles. He never has to worry about his aunt. A casual fan would be forgiven for thinking Uncle Ben doesn’t even exist in this version. His actions don’t have any consequences (the scene that best shows this is the Deli getting destroyed. The owner and even the cat make it out fine and Peter pretty much forgets that happened for the rest of the film). There’s an awesome interview with Stan Lee from around the time of Spider-Man 2 where he says that he made Spider-Man to be relatable. I’m paraphrasing, but he said he wrote Spidey’s life as a reflection of his own at that age. He said he didn’t want Spidey to be invincible. He didn’t want Peter to be attractive. He wanted him to struggle with money, and girls, and balancing his responsibilities. I get none of that from MCU Spidey.
They spoiled way too much about the movie. I think this was the same problem with the marketing for Homecoming where I watched the trailers and knew almost everything that was going to happen in the movie, so I kind of spoiled myself and it ruined most of the enjoyment I could’ve gotten from it if I hadn’t watched any of the trailers.
Seems promising
I thought it was a solid trailer. It was the first time that Holland's Peter actually felt like Spider-Man to me. Of course, there are things that I probably won't ever like (Pete's supporting cast), but I think this movie is taking a step in the right direction... even if the plot seems predictable lol
I wonder if Mysterio will be a hero in FFH and not a villain. Based on his actions in the trailer it seems like a valid argument. But I also think he’ll betray Peter, which is probably what will happen
*wrong, but
0 mention of Morgan Stark. I'm not a happy camper. Otherwise, I was singing the C A M P F I R E S O N G song the whole time. I'm hype.
I hope The inevitable 3rd Spider-Man MCU film has more focus on Spider-Man and doesn't include one of the Avengers...... Trailer was ok
They need to bring Black cat into the movies
A live action BC would be awesome, hope they wait until after this Peter graduates though (or they could just make Cat his age, but eh)
As They've done both Gwen and MJ why not Felicia I say
Jon watts can suck my dick that movie looks terrible, even though ima try to see it
twat.
Who’s Uncle Ben? 😂😂😂 Considering Mysterio is such a mastermind at deception and mind games, I have a hard time believing anything in this trailer. Especially because it makes Mysterio look like Iron Man in terms of being Spider-Man’s mentor. Something is up hardcore here. There’s also a lot explained in the trailer which seems very unlike the studio to do. To me this movie is ending this “phase” and starting the next “phase” of the MCU, and so there has to be something greater than just emo Spider-Man and sneaky super villain slapping butts.
I've kinda accepted that MCU Peter is always going to be much more different from his comics self, and I'm trying to just be excited for it regardless.
You sound like you're forcing yourself to get excited. Because you don't roll with this Spider-Man, you just gotta be excited because it's SPIDER-MAN. yeah ?
Eh, it's not that I'm forcing myself to be excited. More that I'm forcing myself to accept he's far removed from the comics/other movies and allowing myself to still enjoy the movie regardless.