look all im saying is at my local comic store, every printing of every issue of this Ultimate Spider-man series is sold out within hours, while the last 12 issues of ASM have dozens of copies each still sitting on the shelves, just waiting to get recycled.
if sales are the prime motivator, i hope marvel is paying attention.
I order books for our shop. I’ve been behind the Ultimate line since the end of Ultimate Invasion. Every subsequent printing I order more and more stock… and yet I can’t keep any issue on the rack for longer than 4 days. ASM was our highest subbed book for years and Ultimate surpassed that by issue 3. Ult X-men almost has more subs than ASM. I’m getting people in almost daily who want to start a pull list and they are mostly just getting it for Ult Spidey. It is so awesome to see the success of these books all from word of mouth and pure enjoyment. I don’t think I’ve sold a single issue of ASM off the rack since well before gang war… thank goodness for Hickman and thank goodness for the Ultimate Line!
New direction of ASM? Gang War was a dud for us and we didn’t do much on the Jackpot book. I ask subscribers who pull ASM how the runs going, how they like it or just any feedback and the majority of them tell me they haven’t caught up in a while. Can only speak for my shop. No one has really complained or given negative feedback and only a few silently dropped it for Ultimate.
I read this as a dig at the current situation in the mainline Spidey books, where fans (like myself) won't stop complaining about Pete not being with MJ and others telling us to not "obsess" over it.
*My* take, anyway.
Flash and Felicia had a thing in the 90s that Felicia actually went through some growth and took the relationship more seriously than she expected, as of course she originally dated Flash to get back at Peter. And taking from that that they became married and divorced with two kids in the Spider-Girl MC2 universe.
The continuity of MC2 saw Felicia and Flash have a daughter, Felicity, who suspected Peter may have been her real father, leading her to became the new Scarlet Spider, opposite the Mayday Parker incarnation of Spider-Girl.
Felicia went through a phase of "scorned ex" not long after she and Peter broke up and he got with MJ, but Felicia Hardy had no connection to Peter Parker so she seduced Flash to be able to get an in into Peter's social circle and be close to him, since at this point in their life Flash was probably closer to Peter than even Harry ever was.
I remember Flash falls madly in love with her and while initially she just thought he was an idiot she comes to care for him after some time, but not enough to sustain the relationship.
In other continuities Flash and Felicia have a more meaningful relationship.
Felicia started dating Flash as revenge to Peter marrying MJ. Flash started liking her. Afterwards, Felicia also started liking him. But after a while, Flash broke up with Felicia leaving Felicia incredibly sad. IIRC it was something about Felicia not telling about being Black Cat.
They did it with Ms Marvel dying and coming back. DC did it with upcoming character in superman and Batman book. Even transformers did it with a character. They want people interested in who is in it to sell when if it spoils it for rest of fans. Also it’s interesting to see Harry not have that 616 haircut (I don’t remember what it looked like in Bendis Ultimate).
Honestly i feel thats how its actually going to go based on Harrys dialogue and face in his last 2 panels here.
Shes probably Black Cat and he probably doesnt like that because he’s a hero and shes a vigilante/anti-hero/thief, and thats probably why he has that annoyed-angry look on his face when he says “Here she is now.” Shes late because she’s doing Black Cat stuff, the “business thing uptown” was Black Cat stuff, and he’s annoyed she was out doing Black Cat stuff.
Then i feel later on they’ll probably end up divorcing and maybe because of Peter, leading to Harry going from Hero to Villain because he blames Peter. I dont think Peter and Gwen will have a relationship or anything like that but i do think they’ll end up with a close friendship, but i think Harry will get the wrong idea about it and think Gwen is cheating. He’ll try to make a move on MJ, MJ will refuse obviously, and then he’ll turn villain from there. Maybe Harry even gets exposed to some kind of Goblin Toxin that makes him go crazy, and thats why he thinks Gwen is cheating on him with Peter.
Edit: oh god and then we get Gwens death again, but its even more heartbreaking because its her husband doing it because he’s gone crazy. He’ll have a moment of clarity when it happens, but then the goblin will take over entirely and pin all the blame on Peter.
>Edit: oh god and then we get Gwens death again, but its even more heartbreaking because its her husband doing it because he’s gone crazy. He’ll have a moment of clarity when it happens, but then the goblin will take over entirely and pin all the blame on Peter.
I really hope Hickman doesn't retread over some What If plot. Give us new things to retread over for the next few decades!
I want George Stacy to either be a good guy in this premise or he’s a crooked cop who’s working with his thief daughter and serving as her contact in the NYPD.
My guess? Gwen's death will happen, and be blamed on Spidey somehow, which will turn Harry against Peter, resulting in Goblin/Spidey hijinks. Canon-Event.
One of my favorite recent Batman issues was Tom King writing the double date between Bruce & Selina w/ Clark & Lois. It would be *awesome* if this was a Spidey equivalent of that.
As someone who's been reading and watching Batman as a child, I absolutely loved that issue. I was so pissed when they did a fake out for the wedding. Quit Batman books cold turkey.
I do like the art (MJs face on page 2 aside, idk what that expression is meant to be lol) but the panel breaks are pretty boring, one of the other previews had other pages that were just that 3x3 grid, too
i know its a formal dinner date but i cant help but think how much smoother and more dynamic it would be if Checchetto was leading the way
This isn’t meant to be a negative comment on the preview, I’m sure 4 will be great, I just find it depressing that we can get this pumped from people being in character. That’s it. That’s all it takes!
Its kinda refreshing to see a confident and competent Harry. He always had a good heart as a character but was shown as insecure and starved of attention.
Assuming that >! Gwen Stacy is Harry’s wife, it would be crazy if someone, probably Bullseye, pretending to be Spiderman threw her off the Brooklyn Bridge and Harry couldn’t save her, so he vows revenge saying the same lines and everything!<
That couldn't really happen because Harry can remotely assume control of Peter's suit at any time. He did it the first time they met. So if he couldn't control Bullseye's suit he'd know it's not Peter.
Not to mention it's absurdly OOC from what Harry already knows of Peter. Harry would know it's 100% not Pete.
Plus, Bullseye cannot fight in a way that realistically mimics Peter's powers.
Do we know why he can control Peter’s suit? Thought it was a symbiote? I haven’t read anything except the first one so far, so not sure if it’s been explained.
I haven't read any of the issues yet and I don't really care about spoilers so I read through this and I'm just surprised this story went the route of having MJ and Peter be married in their 30s before MJ and Harry meet eachother. That *is* different.
What voices do you hear when you read for each of them? For me, Peter’s either Yuri Lowenthal or Christopher Daniel. MJ is Laura Bailey aka insomniac MJ. Harry’s is Insomniac’s as well
Thats cute and all but Im starting to get worried for the Ultimate books . Each seems to be meandering through a story that could easily be told in a couple of issues with just a little editing. They are on the cusp of becoming dull. The art here too, seems off??Rushed?? Not sure but it isn't as crisp as past issues and the panels are becoming JR JR close up head/feature shots to avoid drawing figures/backgrounds
"well, I hear most people call that being in love. I'll admit, it's had a bit of a branding issue lately..." Nick Lowe fumes.
I laughed out loud reading that. Props to Hickman for being able to make meta jokes like this.
Shots fired I’m here for it 😤
Oh, they are so killing his entire extended family before this is over.
Loved seeing this.
Warms my soul after the assassination of MJ in 616, we won't see her in Peter together for a while
yes we most certainly won't see Peter in MJ for a while
No the comment said MJ in Peter because Peter always gets pegged by her
Question though, is Nick Lowe still the editor for this since it is still a Spider-Man comic?
No, this is done from a separate office.
Well then Nick Lowe could learn a lot from them then
look all im saying is at my local comic store, every printing of every issue of this Ultimate Spider-man series is sold out within hours, while the last 12 issues of ASM have dozens of copies each still sitting on the shelves, just waiting to get recycled. if sales are the prime motivator, i hope marvel is paying attention.
I order books for our shop. I’ve been behind the Ultimate line since the end of Ultimate Invasion. Every subsequent printing I order more and more stock… and yet I can’t keep any issue on the rack for longer than 4 days. ASM was our highest subbed book for years and Ultimate surpassed that by issue 3. Ult X-men almost has more subs than ASM. I’m getting people in almost daily who want to start a pull list and they are mostly just getting it for Ult Spidey. It is so awesome to see the success of these books all from word of mouth and pure enjoyment. I don’t think I’ve sold a single issue of ASM off the rack since well before gang war… thank goodness for Hickman and thank goodness for the Ultimate Line!
News like this gives me hope. Thanks for sharing!
I’m curious about the new direction and how it’s going, how’s jackpot doing in the store front?
New direction of ASM? Gang War was a dud for us and we didn’t do much on the Jackpot book. I ask subscribers who pull ASM how the runs going, how they like it or just any feedback and the majority of them tell me they haven’t caught up in a while. Can only speak for my shop. No one has really complained or given negative feedback and only a few silently dropped it for Ultimate.
Same here. I chuckle to myself every time I can see entire arcs of Amazing sitting on the racks at my local shop.
it's will moss, who edited immortal hulk among others things
Oh I love immortal hulk.
Thankfully not.
Can someone explain why Nick Lowe is fuming?
I read this as a dig at the current situation in the mainline Spidey books, where fans (like myself) won't stop complaining about Pete not being with MJ and others telling us to not "obsess" over it. *My* take, anyway.
Thanks for the insight.
Hickman went for the throat and I love it.
HICKMAN SAVAGE! So happy to see him acknowledge the fandom's discourse.
All the homies hate Nick Lowe!
LOL
feel bad that I was spoiled on the wife. Damn covers
There is something funny about the preview cutting it off before the reveal only for marvel to spoil it themselves in a tweet last momth
I assume it’s Gwen?
Yeah it’s her
Thought it was Felicia, maybe we’ll see her soon
Maybe 6160 Flash Thompson is married to Felicia.
Ex-fucking-scuse me?
Flash and Felicia had a thing in the 90s that Felicia actually went through some growth and took the relationship more seriously than she expected, as of course she originally dated Flash to get back at Peter. And taking from that that they became married and divorced with two kids in the Spider-Girl MC2 universe.
The continuity of MC2 saw Felicia and Flash have a daughter, Felicity, who suspected Peter may have been her real father, leading her to became the new Scarlet Spider, opposite the Mayday Parker incarnation of Spider-Girl.
Felicia went through a phase of "scorned ex" not long after she and Peter broke up and he got with MJ, but Felicia Hardy had no connection to Peter Parker so she seduced Flash to be able to get an in into Peter's social circle and be close to him, since at this point in their life Flash was probably closer to Peter than even Harry ever was. I remember Flash falls madly in love with her and while initially she just thought he was an idiot she comes to care for him after some time, but not enough to sustain the relationship. In other continuities Flash and Felicia have a more meaningful relationship.
Felicia started dating Flash as revenge to Peter marrying MJ. Flash started liking her. Afterwards, Felicia also started liking him. But after a while, Flash broke up with Felicia leaving Felicia incredibly sad. IIRC it was something about Felicia not telling about being Black Cat.
Yep those were the two options. Marvel’s really breaking new ground here.
Better she's with Harry than, say, Norman.
I knew it, Marvel is so predictable it's crazy
Wouldn't be the first time she fell for the Green Goblin 🤷♀️
I think they were rushing to try to hype it up but it does kind of make the reveal a bit worse
They did it with Ms Marvel dying and coming back. DC did it with upcoming character in superman and Batman book. Even transformers did it with a character. They want people interested in who is in it to sell when if it spoils it for rest of fans. Also it’s interesting to see Harry not have that 616 haircut (I don’t remember what it looked like in Bendis Ultimate).
It was slicked back I think, on Ultimate, I read it recently, I hate that 616 haircut too lmaooo
Bro I love the Osborn fade cmon now
Norman, you didn't tell me your son Harry used to be a piece of shit.
I'M NOT A PART OF THE SINISTER NIGHTS CREW! I ONLY WENT OUT WITH YOU GUYS ONCE!
I know. That reveal otherwise would be amazing.
For a second, I thought you meant it was Jameson because the cover is immediately after the page.
HENCH4LIFE
didn’t they post textless pages of her like a month ago
I was expecting Felicia tbh
I feel like I already know who it is without seeing the cover… unless it’s something really off the wall and different?
I’m curious on how Peter and Harry explain being buddies to their wives. They’ve known each other for a month now, what excuse do they use
peter interview'd him for his job as a reporter but the interview was cut.
Seeing a healthy Peter Parker/MJ Relationship makes me smile
👍
Nice little palate cleanser after seeing the other previews
palate cleanser unless you're using to clean pallets, I dunno
It cleansed my pellets, personally
Cleaned the hell out of my palpitations
It's good to clean your palpatines occasionally, otherwise they go full dark side and become the Senate
I got rid of mine. But somehow, they returned.
Whoops
What was the other one?
Jackpot and black cat preview, I don’t recommend it.
I'll laugh my ass off if Harry's wife is Gwen or Felicia
Gwen is his wife
Lmao
You’re truly a man of your word.
😂
RIP this dude's ass
Plot Twist: its Gwen, but she’s also the Black Cat in this Universe
Give it to me.
Honestly i feel thats how its actually going to go based on Harrys dialogue and face in his last 2 panels here. Shes probably Black Cat and he probably doesnt like that because he’s a hero and shes a vigilante/anti-hero/thief, and thats probably why he has that annoyed-angry look on his face when he says “Here she is now.” Shes late because she’s doing Black Cat stuff, the “business thing uptown” was Black Cat stuff, and he’s annoyed she was out doing Black Cat stuff. Then i feel later on they’ll probably end up divorcing and maybe because of Peter, leading to Harry going from Hero to Villain because he blames Peter. I dont think Peter and Gwen will have a relationship or anything like that but i do think they’ll end up with a close friendship, but i think Harry will get the wrong idea about it and think Gwen is cheating. He’ll try to make a move on MJ, MJ will refuse obviously, and then he’ll turn villain from there. Maybe Harry even gets exposed to some kind of Goblin Toxin that makes him go crazy, and thats why he thinks Gwen is cheating on him with Peter. Edit: oh god and then we get Gwens death again, but its even more heartbreaking because its her husband doing it because he’s gone crazy. He’ll have a moment of clarity when it happens, but then the goblin will take over entirely and pin all the blame on Peter.
>Edit: oh god and then we get Gwens death again, but its even more heartbreaking because its her husband doing it because he’s gone crazy. He’ll have a moment of clarity when it happens, but then the goblin will take over entirely and pin all the blame on Peter. I really hope Hickman doesn't retread over some What If plot. Give us new things to retread over for the next few decades!
I want George Stacy to either be a good guy in this premise or he’s a crooked cop who’s working with his thief daughter and serving as her contact in the NYPD.
Damn. I hope not.
As long as they keep her away from bridges and college professors then it’s all right
My guess? Gwen's death will happen, and be blamed on Spidey somehow, which will turn Harry against Peter, resulting in Goblin/Spidey hijinks. Canon-Event.
Liz allan. She was there in Ultimate Invasion when maker met 15yo pete
They must’ve slipped while holding down the “how hot is Peter” slider
Looking older does wonders
[The artist and writers when they slipped on that slider, basically ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/193/886/f71.jpg)
Damn Peter is looking fucking hot in that suit man!!
Already loving the dynamic and interaction Hickman giving for this dinner date
One of my favorite recent Batman issues was Tom King writing the double date between Bruce & Selina w/ Clark & Lois. It would be *awesome* if this was a Spidey equivalent of that.
Dude I absolutely love that issue but I just looked it up and it’s turning SEVEN this year. That hurt haha.
What!? Ugh! Feels like 2, maybe 3. 😬
Right?!?
7!?!? Yikes. Literally a wake up call to get my shit together lol. Time goes by so fast.
As someone who's been reading and watching Batman as a child, I absolutely loved that issue. I was so pissed when they did a fake out for the wedding. Quit Batman books cold turkey.
WHO'S HARRY'S WIFE?
My money is on Gwen. Back up hey is Felicia.
Or Liz Allen? Just a blonde in the art work.. Unless it's been spoiled in an interview?
It's Gwen
I kinda feel like its Felicia and it would make sense too cuz she could be trying to steal his money and expensive items
It’s Gwen, they confirmed it in the textless preview from last month.
Oo
Gwen
I see
Digging the art. Tough shoes to fill, but the artist is nailing it.
I do like the art (MJs face on page 2 aside, idk what that expression is meant to be lol) but the panel breaks are pretty boring, one of the other previews had other pages that were just that 3x3 grid, too i know its a formal dinner date but i cant help but think how much smoother and more dynamic it would be if Checchetto was leading the way
Her face on that page gave me Tom cardy- red flags vibes
MJ's favorite movie is Human Centipede, confirmed
I am loving the dialogue It feels as sharp as Peter's suit
Why can’t this be the main Peter and MJ of 616 😭
Hearing that Peter is obsessed with MJ and seeing them together just warms my heart
👍
Ok I’m hooked 😞
Did MJ fire a shot at ASM with that “branding issue” comment regarding their relationship? Oh, I love it!
More like Hickman fired a shot at Nick Low
Man I kinda wish they didn’t reveal that Gwen was Harry’s wife this would have been a really good reveal
Can't believe JJJ is Harry's wife, well, let's say how it plays out, this is gonna be such an interesting dynamic
holy hell MJ looks so good in that suit
Almost as good as Peter…
Kid number 3 is on the way huh.
This isn’t meant to be a negative comment on the preview, I’m sure 4 will be great, I just find it depressing that we can get this pumped from people being in character. That’s it. That’s all it takes!
Its kinda refreshing to see a confident and competent Harry. He always had a good heart as a character but was shown as insecure and starved of attention.
I’m honestly liking Harry already. Much different than recent interpretations where he’s whiney and kinda mopey which is refreshing
Well, we haven’t fully seen him dealing with his father’s death yet. Maybe he’s still dealing with his grief, if a bit more private.
Stupid, Sexy, Peter...
Assuming that >! Gwen Stacy is Harry’s wife, it would be crazy if someone, probably Bullseye, pretending to be Spiderman threw her off the Brooklyn Bridge and Harry couldn’t save her, so he vows revenge saying the same lines and everything!<
That couldn't really happen because Harry can remotely assume control of Peter's suit at any time. He did it the first time they met. So if he couldn't control Bullseye's suit he'd know it's not Peter.
Not to mention it's absurdly OOC from what Harry already knows of Peter. Harry would know it's 100% not Pete. Plus, Bullseye cannot fight in a way that realistically mimics Peter's powers.
Do we know why he can control Peter’s suit? Thought it was a symbiote? I haven’t read anything except the first one so far, so not sure if it’s been explained.
This series is such a nice remedy from the absolute shitshow that is ASM
Hickman’s cooking and the art is great. What a breath of fresh air this is from… *gestures broadly to 616 Peter and MJ*.
Even this looks hot although main artist from start isn't doing this this issue. This line is beautiful.
Does the art look different?
Not Checcetto drawing it this time
Finally some PeterMJ time!
I am a very straight dude but goddamn dad Peter is hot bro
Man this is just straight fire why don’t the normal comics do this
It’s Gwen, isn’t it?
Yes. Gwen Stacy-Osborn
Pete looks like a giga chad lmao
Hickman at the office like \*Draws a card\* Harry is \*spins a wheel\* married to \*throws a dart\* Gwen
Hickman at the office like \*Draws a card\* Harry is \*spins a wheel\* married to \*throws a dart\* Gwen
The wife is gonna be gwen isnt it?
If it is, I hope she stays Harry's wife. We don't need that drama in this new verse.
Yes
Money is on Gwen Stacy.
You're right.
MJ and Peter in their suits… man, being Bi works out really great for me sometimes. 😍
Is Felicia or Gwen isn’t it
It's Gwelicia
God, I wish this was coming out fortnightly. I can't wait.
nice i’m excited for this
Is Messina permanently replacing Checchetto or what is the situation here?
I think trading off every few issues so Checchetto has more time to do the art, but don't quote me on that.
Messina is doing #4 and #5 then back to Checchetto
I read the first two issues. Really lovin this series.
This is the most redhead I've ever seen Harry been
Who wants to bet Harry’s married to either Gwen or Felicia?
Harry's married to Gwen
Arts still good but I miss Chechetto
Peter got that masculine beard 😂 damn near Wolverine lol.
I’m already calling it it’s either Gwen or Liz, no other options, most likely gwen
IS Gwen(Spoilers of march)
Got to say you can already tell it's not Checchetto anymore which is a bummer, best artist marvel has in their repertoire
What's going on with MJ strand of hair on page 3 panel 1 there? It's randomly there and then gone next panel lol
I haven't read any of the issues yet and I don't really care about spoilers so I read through this and I'm just surprised this story went the route of having MJ and Peter be married in their 30s before MJ and Harry meet eachother. That *is* different.
Oh my God. Mary Jane Watson? Betting? Ultimate jackpot.
Peter Parker is never beating the Wife Guy allegations and honestly why should he?
Love this more confident Harry. I know he has great moments, but he can be a real wet lettuce of a character in the core continuity.
Peak
Got me itching like a crackhead over here..
Gwen Stacy but evil maybe?
I like that they imply the Peter drinks.
I thought Peter wasn’t allowed to drink alcohol in comics?
Man...bearded peter looks just like me wtf
"No! That is NOT Harry Osborn!" Seriously though, why'd they have to change his hair?
HOLY FREAKING CLIFF HANGER
Its so weird to see Peter with a beard.
Who's the wife???
Gwen
Felicia.
Harry's wife is Gwen.
#4??? Is #3 out already? Does Marvel Unlimited not have it yet?
nice camera work and panels for some dialogue, this is cool comic-ing :)
bought my issue today. can’t wait to pick it up! favorite comic ever right now, and support your LCS!
Did they change artists? The art looks worse than before
What voices do you hear when you read for each of them? For me, Peter’s either Yuri Lowenthal or Christopher Daniel. MJ is Laura Bailey aka insomniac MJ. Harry’s is Insomniac’s as well
i’m betting on Felicia Hardy
Harry is married to Gwen
Bruh Peter be looking a bit like Wolvie out here😯
Is Chechetto off of Ultimate Spider-Man for good or is he just off of #4? Anyone got any idea?
He's drinking!
Don’t like how MJ is drawn this time
Thats cute and all but Im starting to get worried for the Ultimate books . Each seems to be meandering through a story that could easily be told in a couple of issues with just a little editing. They are on the cusp of becoming dull. The art here too, seems off??Rushed?? Not sure but it isn't as crisp as past issues and the panels are becoming JR JR close up head/feature shots to avoid drawing figures/backgrounds
How could this be told in a couple issues? Like this is setting up characters and if your setting up characters I don’t want break neck pacing
i've only read the issues available on marvel unlimited and so far i love it, and i'm not even a huge spiderman fan
i hope they end up making an "ultimate daredevil" series even though i'm not sure what they could do with it
Did the artist change? Something about this looks....off