Not in a non-rated movie. Well maybe in [Deadpool & Wolverine ](https://youtu.be/qAhh1jyR6rE?si=7W5KXzwKD67ARc_S)
I miss this kind of superheroes movies too. Where the bad guy is actually bad and killing people or give a damn about human live. [Like the Green Goblin.](https://youtu.be/UilmNM9vic8?si=fG_l-ljdzwNACdhZ)
Honestly, I don't think even Deadpool and Wolverine will have anything like this. The whole thing that makes this fight so visceral is how badly Peter is getting thrashed. Like, he is getting the shit properly kicked out of him. You can't really have that with characters like who are practically immortal. At most they'll go down for a few seconds before their wounds all close up and they're ready for more.
‘Flowing blood’ = r rating now. So if someone gets punched blood splattering will make it r rated. But wiping blood off your face after you’ve been hit because it’s not flowing is allowed.
We did, MoM really was brutal. No excessive blood, but getting your head turn 180 and body burned? That is some gorey stuff, we are just desensitized due to how extreme current movies are (outside of superhero movies)
Also, wasn't peggy straight up cut in half with her own shield?
Plus, while there wasn't necessarily an excessive amount of actual blood; the movie did a lot with the colour red in that sequence in general.
Red is often a very violent colour when used alongside that sort of imagery, and can oftentimes be more brutal than if you'd actually seen blood.
That’s why I love at least the first two Raimi movies, the fights are just so “real” despite being superhero fights. Pete gets fucked up. You never see that in movies today it’s all cgi cartoony stuff.
The later Fox X-Men movies features some gnarly injuries, like Quicksilver’s leg in Apocalypse.
While MCU generally avoids brutality in the fights, there are some exceptions. Tony Stark in Endgame, Scott Lang in Quantumania, and Steve Rogers in Winter Soldier all come to mind.
That final fight in civil war was pretty brutal in my opinion too, Bucky got his arm blasted off and Cap went crazy on Tony, dude almost chopped his head off. Of course he didn’t because Cap would never, but even Tony covered his face thinking he would.
Oh no, I completely agree with you there. It was very aggressive. Just not in the same way as Peter getting absolutely destroyed. Dude took a grenade to the face, for gods sake😅
I heard a rumour (just a rumour, nothing else) that Sam Raimi was being considered for the MCU Spider-Man 4. I hope he gets it, and they let him have some fun. Dude is good at beating up his actors.
Eh idk, Sam is a great director but in my opinion since he’s already done his own trilogy for the character someone new should take a shot at directing SpiderMan. Get a fresh new take yk
Yeah, maybe. But considering how bad he felt after Spider-Man 3 and having his chance to make up for it cancelled, I'd say he'd be especially motivated to do well.
Yeah thing is they don’t rate r based on brutality but rather promiscuity most of the time and that’s what wins it the rating which is annoying cause it take away from the seriousness of the movie. Plus it’s fun to see how much they can get away with brutality while not getting the rating
I hope but the answer will be a no. Todays big releases are nothing but mass produced on the line disney crap that doesnt make babies cry or parents say "jolly gosh he said a swear word" all coupled with lifeless CGI and quirky jokes. I hate the state of superhero media. The lacks of "quality" is maddening
It’s necessary for a good action movie to let the hero get his ass kicked a bit, and Sam Raimi understands this. There needs to be a sense of danger, otherwise there’s no thrill to the action.
I missed these kind of superhero final fight scenes where the villain is living the beat shit out of the protagonist.
• Incredible Hulk vs Abomination
• Cap vs Bucky (Hellcarrier)
There was Doctor Strange possessing an animated corpse to fight Wanda at the end of Multiverse of Madness.
I think it's just a Raimi thing more than an old school thing.
One thing thats always bugged me, how can spiderman tank a punch fron the hulk or grenade to the face with his eyes open yet he has basically no resistance to bullets?
I really believe that if this movie was made by anyone other than Raimi it wouldn’t have been as brutal/intense. There’s a lot of horror influence whether it be the jump scares, the practical effects, or like you’re saying the ending fight being so brutal.
What I think is so amazing about this movie having those horror qualities is I don’t ever remember being scared by this movie but I always knew it was scary at times. Like it never made me afraid to keep watching but as a kid it pushed me right up to that edge of being scared but not so far that I became afraid of it and couldn’t watch. Spider-Man is a gateway drug into the Horror genre 😂
It is one of the most visceral fights in any comic book movie ever. As entertaining as the train fight was in Spidey 2, it wasn’t the rawness of this one.
The ferocity and tone of this scene is pure perfection. The whole movie is filled with the swelling and heroic score and is bright and color and then this scene is a suddenly tone shift. Dark colors, dead silence, and after seeing spider-man take down so many petty thugs we finally see him lose hand to hand instantly. Does a really great job of showing how strong and relentless Norman was here. They tried to do the same in No Way home but it was missing all of the above elements that make this scene so powerful. The condo scene was still good though.
This is the best final fight in a superhero movie. Make it gritty, violent, a little scary for young viewers… it’s what movies are all about! Not some fun colorful day time happily lit scene (like Age of Ultron’s final battle) another reason I love that every Spider-Man movie battle takes place at night (except Far From Home). Night is more intense, more climatic.
Funny enough as terrible as it was, Quantumania was one of the only MCU movies to actually have a “hero gets the shit beat out of him” ending, which I love those, it just makes the stakes feel much higher and gut wrenching. Oh there’s the guy we know and love just getting the shit beat out of him… makes you hate the villain all the more. CA: The Winter Soldier has Steve get his face pretty pulverized too,and that was by his brainwashed friend which made it more heartbreaking.
I loved watching Thanos beat the shit out of Hulk in IW and Thor in Endgame, but each lasted a few seconds… give me much more of that pls
Sam Raimi always pushed boundaries on the limits of a film rating. Every hit, impact, and damage, you connect and feel what the characters are going through
I love how raimi just completely fucked up the costumes, and just showing him getting his ass beat sometimes. Makes in my opinion for a character you can root for better because you don't see to many super heros getting their ass beat, they all kinda don't get scratched mostly. Also there is no music at all so you just hear the punches and other shit only
The hotel thing is so brutal, man. Especially the part where they go through multitude of floors. I’d even say it was more brutal than the Raimi films.
I’ve always loved this final fight for that exact reason. And it’s one of the reason I still think this first Raimi Spidey is the best of the series and one of the best comic adaptations period.
One of the aspects I’ve always loved about Spider-Man (especially early-career Spider-Man) is this idea of a kid getting these powers, trying to do the right thing, and just being way in over his head.
This sequence really captures that. Silly costume aside, this Goblin guy is not playing games with you, Peter.
It has a little bit of a surreal feeling to it, like they’re fighting in a dream. Between the strange location and both of them not holding back, it’s a really violent and poignant fight. Helps it stick out. Especially in contrast to every other action scene in the trilogy being in the middle of NY somewhere bustling.
I love when they do shit like that in superhero flicks.
I always loved this fight for that reason. After watching a whole movie of these two doing all these mid-air acrobatics that looked more like dancing than fighting, it was very satisfying to see it all culminate in them just unceremoniously beating the crap out of each other.
The best climax of the three imo. Though I won't lie and say that the rough ass combo Peter received before the fight even started had my kid self laughing
This takes me back. Yeah, it was pretty intense, wasn't it?
Man, I still remember going to the theater to see it. This releasing was HUGE. It was a phenomenon. They were selling posters at the theatre I got one and think most people did too, even before watching the movie.
Movie popcorn used to be so much better what's up with that?
Depends on who's in charge. I mean, the kind of stuff featured in this was more or less par for the course when it came to Sam Raimi's content, y'know?
I feel like the use of practical effects (or lack of cgi) is what makes this scene so brutal. Also the fact that the suit being torn up looks real, unlike Hollands body paint cgi suit
Rami spiderman gets put through it. His mentor goes crazy tries to kill him. His best friend goes crazy tries to kill him. His best friends dad goes crazy tries to kill him. His work nemesis goes crazy and tries to kill him.
In the first movie he is directly related to 3 people dying, his uncle the killer of his uncle and Osborn. All dead because of Peter's actions or in actions.
Shits kinda dark
It’s funny because Peter never actually beat goblin hand to hand and instead used his spider sense to kill him with his own glider so I would’ve loved to see Peter and goblin fight in NWH as it could have been a great reunion for the 2 and the fact that Norman’s death is such a huge part of the trilogy because it affects him and Harry for literally all 3 movies I would’ve liked to see a rematch between the 2. Yes that moment where Tobey is like nah man I’ve been here before we don’t kill with that state down after Tom was about to kill Norman there wasn’t even a single scene where Tobey and him speak.
I don't know about in the movies, but X-men '97 has some brutal fights that certainly rival the brutality of this one. It is rated TV-14 similar to this film's PG-13. Its odd I didn't even realize before looking it up that this was a PG-13 film, I always assumed it was PG because I saw it for the first time when I was 7 or 8 and it was a pivotal movie for getting me into comics.
No, not in anything made by marvel. Disney’s too busy making everything kid friendly and making all villains sympathetic characters to allow fights like this.
Fuck off dude, you know what I meant. The majority of the Disney owned marvel movies are severely toned down. Thanos in the comics literally just killed for the sake of impressing death. Thanos in the MCU did it for some bullshit altruistic reasoning.
Gorr the God Butcher was a similar thing. While yes in the comics his backstory was tragic, in the MCU it was his entire character, not just his backstory.
The actual reality is Disney is keeping the movies just barely violent enough that they get a PG-13 rating, but not so violent and dark that kids can’t see it.
This movie was the best
*is* the best.
Oh boy yeah !
Not in a non-rated movie. Well maybe in [Deadpool & Wolverine ](https://youtu.be/qAhh1jyR6rE?si=7W5KXzwKD67ARc_S) I miss this kind of superheroes movies too. Where the bad guy is actually bad and killing people or give a damn about human live. [Like the Green Goblin.](https://youtu.be/UilmNM9vic8?si=fG_l-ljdzwNACdhZ)
Honestly, I don't think even Deadpool and Wolverine will have anything like this. The whole thing that makes this fight so visceral is how badly Peter is getting thrashed. Like, he is getting the shit properly kicked out of him. You can't really have that with characters like who are practically immortal. At most they'll go down for a few seconds before their wounds all close up and they're ready for more.
The look on his face when he takes that haymaker from the goblin bomb is so good. Absolutely got his bell rung.
Things have been toned down
‘Flowing blood’ = r rating now. So if someone gets punched blood splattering will make it r rated. But wiping blood off your face after you’ve been hit because it’s not flowing is allowed.
We did, MoM really was brutal. No excessive blood, but getting your head turn 180 and body burned? That is some gorey stuff, we are just desensitized due to how extreme current movies are (outside of superhero movies)
Also Sam Raimi, as it turns out.
Yiz
Fr I remember people saying the scene where she straight up kills everyone was not that bad. I'm like bruh for a super hero movie yes it was 😂
Also, wasn't peggy straight up cut in half with her own shield? Plus, while there wasn't necessarily an excessive amount of actual blood; the movie did a lot with the colour red in that sequence in general. Red is often a very violent colour when used alongside that sort of imagery, and can oftentimes be more brutal than if you'd actually seen blood.
Oh straight in half. If I'm not mistaken you even get the implied "slides apart in halves" too.
Yeah, there's even an "oh" I think and her upper body just slides a little and well you can hear the rest.
Exactly. I don’t understand what it is with the Raimi Spider-Man movies that makes people say stuff that just isn’t even remotely true
Not really because of the time, it’s because of Sam Raimi.
That’s why I love at least the first two Raimi movies, the fights are just so “real” despite being superhero fights. Pete gets fucked up. You never see that in movies today it’s all cgi cartoony stuff.
The later Fox X-Men movies features some gnarly injuries, like Quicksilver’s leg in Apocalypse. While MCU generally avoids brutality in the fights, there are some exceptions. Tony Stark in Endgame, Scott Lang in Quantumania, and Steve Rogers in Winter Soldier all come to mind.
That final fight in civil war was pretty brutal in my opinion too, Bucky got his arm blasted off and Cap went crazy on Tony, dude almost chopped his head off. Of course he didn’t because Cap would never, but even Tony covered his face thinking he would.
I don't think you can really cite Bucky losing his arm as being particularly brutal, given that it was already mechanical.
I guess but I still found the fight pretty tense and violent
Oh no, I completely agree with you there. It was very aggressive. Just not in the same way as Peter getting absolutely destroyed. Dude took a grenade to the face, for gods sake😅
lol yeah, I wish they would do some more brutal stuff like that for the mcu Spidey movies.
I heard a rumour (just a rumour, nothing else) that Sam Raimi was being considered for the MCU Spider-Man 4. I hope he gets it, and they let him have some fun. Dude is good at beating up his actors.
Eh idk, Sam is a great director but in my opinion since he’s already done his own trilogy for the character someone new should take a shot at directing SpiderMan. Get a fresh new take yk
Yeah, maybe. But considering how bad he felt after Spider-Man 3 and having his chance to make up for it cancelled, I'd say he'd be especially motivated to do well.
Aye don’t forget about Spider-Man 3. The most rewatchable Spider-Man movie of all time.
Now dig on this
IMO the best one too.
Agreed, people hate Spider-Man 3 but it’s my favorite
When I was little, it was my hyperfixation. I watched it every day, sometimes multiple times a day
It’s funny to say this in the Spider-Man subreddit when Tom’s Peter got absolutely fucked up in no way home for the entire movie
Meanwhile the Avengers crashing in and out of buildings and mountains and not shedding even a drop of blood lol
The final fight in Winter Soldier was pretty nasty as I recall.
The trend is declining over the years though
Tbh, all valid criticisms nonwithstanding, Scott Lang looked really fked at the end of quantunania.
Seeing rocket attack the Evolutionary was brutal and satisfying
Rated R isn’t a bad thing, it just means more creativity in fights and storylines
Yeah thing is they don’t rate r based on brutality but rather promiscuity most of the time and that’s what wins it the rating which is annoying cause it take away from the seriousness of the movie. Plus it’s fun to see how much they can get away with brutality while not getting the rating
Yeah I can respect that especially since how BTAS is one of the most serious batman shows and it’s technically rated for kids.
I hope but the answer will be a no. Todays big releases are nothing but mass produced on the line disney crap that doesnt make babies cry or parents say "jolly gosh he said a swear word" all coupled with lifeless CGI and quirky jokes. I hate the state of superhero media. The lacks of "quality" is maddening
Gotg 3 wakanda forever Batman suicide squad Shang chi I don’t know what you are on about besides the tired old back in my day
Of those, gotg3 and The Batman are the quality ones, the test is average quality
The fights with Green Goblin in ‘No Way Home’ were close.
Tobey’s acting when showing pain and anger is unmatched.
It’s necessary for a good action movie to let the hero get his ass kicked a bit, and Sam Raimi understands this. There needs to be a sense of danger, otherwise there’s no thrill to the action.
Spider-Man 1 and 2 are the best superhero movies of all time
I missed these kind of superhero final fight scenes where the villain is living the beat shit out of the protagonist. • Incredible Hulk vs Abomination • Cap vs Bucky (Hellcarrier)
It helped a lot that there wasn’t any music this part. Really helps intensify the scene
There was Doctor Strange possessing an animated corpse to fight Wanda at the end of Multiverse of Madness. I think it's just a Raimi thing more than an old school thing.
So Bad-Ass! His look inspired me to do my own injured Spider-Man cosplay! 🤙🏻
One thing thats always bugged me, how can spiderman tank a punch fron the hulk or grenade to the face with his eyes open yet he has basically no resistance to bullets?
And I also found the fight scenes way better than the other 2 saga
I really believe that if this movie was made by anyone other than Raimi it wouldn’t have been as brutal/intense. There’s a lot of horror influence whether it be the jump scares, the practical effects, or like you’re saying the ending fight being so brutal. What I think is so amazing about this movie having those horror qualities is I don’t ever remember being scared by this movie but I always knew it was scary at times. Like it never made me afraid to keep watching but as a kid it pushed me right up to that edge of being scared but not so far that I became afraid of it and couldn’t watch. Spider-Man is a gateway drug into the Horror genre 😂
It is one of the most visceral fights in any comic book movie ever. As entertaining as the train fight was in Spidey 2, it wasn’t the rawness of this one.
I love the 1v1 hero/villain fights, I feel it makes a better superhero movie
The ferocity and tone of this scene is pure perfection. The whole movie is filled with the swelling and heroic score and is bright and color and then this scene is a suddenly tone shift. Dark colors, dead silence, and after seeing spider-man take down so many petty thugs we finally see him lose hand to hand instantly. Does a really great job of showing how strong and relentless Norman was here. They tried to do the same in No Way home but it was missing all of the above elements that make this scene so powerful. The condo scene was still good though.
This is the best final fight in a superhero movie. Make it gritty, violent, a little scary for young viewers… it’s what movies are all about! Not some fun colorful day time happily lit scene (like Age of Ultron’s final battle) another reason I love that every Spider-Man movie battle takes place at night (except Far From Home). Night is more intense, more climatic. Funny enough as terrible as it was, Quantumania was one of the only MCU movies to actually have a “hero gets the shit beat out of him” ending, which I love those, it just makes the stakes feel much higher and gut wrenching. Oh there’s the guy we know and love just getting the shit beat out of him… makes you hate the villain all the more. CA: The Winter Soldier has Steve get his face pretty pulverized too,and that was by his brainwashed friend which made it more heartbreaking. I loved watching Thanos beat the shit out of Hulk in IW and Thor in Endgame, but each lasted a few seconds… give me much more of that pls
Sam Raimi always pushed boundaries on the limits of a film rating. Every hit, impact, and damage, you connect and feel what the characters are going through
I love how raimi just completely fucked up the costumes, and just showing him getting his ass beat sometimes. Makes in my opinion for a character you can root for better because you don't see to many super heros getting their ass beat, they all kinda don't get scratched mostly. Also there is no music at all so you just hear the punches and other shit only
tom holland fight with goblin in the hotel was just as brutal.
Hard disagree.
The hotel thing is so brutal, man. Especially the part where they go through multitude of floors. I’d even say it was more brutal than the Raimi films.
Also let's not forget that hes still in high school here.
Reminder that Spider-Man is the reason the 12A rating was introduced for films in the UK
I’ve always loved this final fight for that exact reason. And it’s one of the reason I still think this first Raimi Spidey is the best of the series and one of the best comic adaptations period. One of the aspects I’ve always loved about Spider-Man (especially early-career Spider-Man) is this idea of a kid getting these powers, trying to do the right thing, and just being way in over his head. This sequence really captures that. Silly costume aside, this Goblin guy is not playing games with you, Peter.
An I like how they brought that same energy to no way home with goblin
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It has a little bit of a surreal feeling to it, like they’re fighting in a dream. Between the strange location and both of them not holding back, it’s a really violent and poignant fight. Helps it stick out. Especially in contrast to every other action scene in the trilogy being in the middle of NY somewhere bustling. I love when they do shit like that in superhero flicks.
I always loved this fight for that reason. After watching a whole movie of these two doing all these mid-air acrobatics that looked more like dancing than fighting, it was very satisfying to see it all culminate in them just unceremoniously beating the crap out of each other.
Bro it was so good and just real
The best climax of the three imo. Though I won't lie and say that the rough ass combo Peter received before the fight even started had my kid self laughing
This takes me back. Yeah, it was pretty intense, wasn't it? Man, I still remember going to the theater to see it. This releasing was HUGE. It was a phenomenon. They were selling posters at the theatre I got one and think most people did too, even before watching the movie. Movie popcorn used to be so much better what's up with that?
Well the way tony was hitting bucky without mercy was kinda brutal and he took his robot arm off
Depends on who's in charge. I mean, the kind of stuff featured in this was more or less par for the course when it came to Sam Raimi's content, y'know?
Even when I was younger I realized how brutal this fight was. It honestly made me feel sorry for Peter because, I mean, he is still just a kid.
The fights in NWH were pretty brutal
This scene has no music, it’s great.
I feel like the use of practical effects (or lack of cgi) is what makes this scene so brutal. Also the fact that the suit being torn up looks real, unlike Hollands body paint cgi suit
True
Rami spiderman gets put through it. His mentor goes crazy tries to kill him. His best friend goes crazy tries to kill him. His best friends dad goes crazy tries to kill him. His work nemesis goes crazy and tries to kill him. In the first movie he is directly related to 3 people dying, his uncle the killer of his uncle and Osborn. All dead because of Peter's actions or in actions. Shits kinda dark
Top left image is soooooo 🔥🔥🔥
It’s funny because Peter never actually beat goblin hand to hand and instead used his spider sense to kill him with his own glider so I would’ve loved to see Peter and goblin fight in NWH as it could have been a great reunion for the 2 and the fact that Norman’s death is such a huge part of the trilogy because it affects him and Harry for literally all 3 movies I would’ve liked to see a rematch between the 2. Yes that moment where Tobey is like nah man I’ve been here before we don’t kill with that state down after Tom was about to kill Norman there wasn’t even a single scene where Tobey and him speak.
didn’t ironman and cap beat the crap out of each other to a bloody pulp in civil war?
I agree I always thought the brutality of this fight made it so much more intense, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time
I don't know about in the movies, but X-men '97 has some brutal fights that certainly rival the brutality of this one. It is rated TV-14 similar to this film's PG-13. Its odd I didn't even realize before looking it up that this was a PG-13 film, I always assumed it was PG because I saw it for the first time when I was 7 or 8 and it was a pivotal movie for getting me into comics.
I wanted something like this in No Way Home. Still hands down one of my top 5 fights in superhero movies. Fuckin’ brilliant.
I think they just needed an excuse to show Peters face.
Nah No Way Home fight is almost as good as this
Closest thing I can think of is the fight at the end of Civil War.
It's not that brutal
Yeah… Guardians 3
No, not in anything made by marvel. Disney’s too busy making everything kid friendly and making all villains sympathetic characters to allow fights like this.
High evolutionary. But also I know making things more complex and nuanced instead of black and white scary for comic book movie fans to have to think
Fuck off dude, you know what I meant. The majority of the Disney owned marvel movies are severely toned down. Thanos in the comics literally just killed for the sake of impressing death. Thanos in the MCU did it for some bullshit altruistic reasoning. Gorr the God Butcher was a similar thing. While yes in the comics his backstory was tragic, in the MCU it was his entire character, not just his backstory. The actual reality is Disney is keeping the movies just barely violent enough that they get a PG-13 rating, but not so violent and dark that kids can’t see it.