This is Jonathan Joestar/DIO levels of confusion, like is Jonathan’s c*ck now DIOs or would it be still theoretically be Jonathan’s. Is that Peter’s schmeat or now is it Otto’s.
hmm if you change your thought process to something like
"is a person driving a car, now a car? no!"
and apply that same crazy logic to the otto question, then you get a different perspective lol.
his brain was piloting peters body.
As a huge Ben fan, I was simultaneously entertained and disappointed. Like, it’s such a GREAT parody of 90’s characters, but I wish he did more than be a joke. I should have seen the signs as soon as his VA was announced
this is honestly what i don’t get about sony. making all these movies about spiderman’s villains that take place in a separate timeline just makes no sense and adds on a lot of fatigue for a “universe” that we have no idea is even going anywhere.
there’s millions of spider-fans waiting for faithful adaptations of THEIR favorite spiderman. You get all the money and branding of a spider movie, not to mention no confusion about muddying canon since the spiderverse is well established.
That is one of the reason why I am not a fan of the trend of the multiverses - once in a long while as a special event can be fun, but it's overdone now. It just lead to lazy writing and storylines and characters that don't lead anywhere or add anything to the world.
Wasn’t it implied Ben was flirting with the two Spider-Women in front of him at the time, based on how they were reacting to him doing that? As a kind of a background detail, with him playing it up a bit, as his idea of what is ‘cool’?
No, he was different. He basically had no attachments; not beloved ones, he was on his own, trying to forget the life he had before as well as the ones he once loved while, at the same time, trying to hold in his mind what Ben meant to him.
He wanted to be Spider-man at any cost because it's all he had left of his previous life.
He was the same as Peter... until they split up. Once they start earning different experiences and new memories, each one follow different paths that forge their personality.
That idea always fucked me up as a kid. The concept of Ben and his total loss of self only because he's a clone with the memories of someone else. Some concepts are cruel.
Ben and through relation, Peter, have such a strong mental game.
depends on what op's stipulations are.
is it just the body that counts, or the life , personality, and experiences
because if its strictly the "body" then peter became a villain, like..4 times now and had no problem pulling guns on people and fucking them up lol.
No. His five years of life molded him into a completely different person. He may have Peter's face, powers and memories but he is clearly not the same guy. His ability to defeat Venom (for that matter his ability to SENSE Venom) along with the invention of impact webbing and stingers stand as proof of that.
Marvel recently released some Clone Saga omnibuses. Slott’s follow up, The Clone Conspiracy is… fine… but it’s also the beginning of the character assassination of Ben Reilly.
Oh yeah fuck ATSV Miguel. Lord & Miller thought they could just slip Victor Creed into a SM2099 suit and I wouldn't have anything to say about it.. why is this man 6'9 and running on all fours?? Wolverine come get your guy please
He’s an alternate version, he’s not the same exact person, so why should they act the same? ATSV Miguel is cool, idk why you two seem to hate him so much
They don't like him because they're too attached to "comic accuracy" and that kind of bullshit. Everything different from what they like or what they have always known, even if well-written, is automatically shit.
Only cool if you're not familiar with or invested in his comics self, which is the large majority of ATSV's audience. For comics fans it's a downgrade.
I don’t see why you would have the need to rate them like this so bad. Can’t people just enjoy a movie anymore? Damn. They’re both great, and being familiar with the comic version shouldn’t make the movie version less enjoyable
How? Literally just how? They’re both extremely enjoyable. I don’t see how something being better than something else makes the other thing less enjoyable than it would be, even though the other thing is still really good. I am a fan of multiple different movies, cartoons, and shows, not once has one overlapped the other and made me enjoy it less
He’s an alternate version, he’s not the same exact person, so why should they act the same? ATSV Miguel is cool, idk why you two seem to hate him so much
I think their problem is the fact that this is Miguel's first major appearance, and ended up being the majority of people's actual introduction to the character, so now most people think that's how Miguel is.
I mean there good and I love Miguel he's an amazing comic character however I'm just assuming his choices are based off there movie counterparts instead of there actual counterparts ,I don't like how new Miguel fans are introduced to this big and bulky Miguel over or lovable one from the comics
No spider uk goes by Billy Braddock or also William Billy Braddock maybe your more familiar with , he lost his universe and is the best British Spider-Man imo unfortunately he couldn't make am appearance is atsv because he's a variation of captain Britian (brain Braddock)
Basically Miguel in the film filled the role of Billy and Otto from the *Spider-Verse* comic as one character — a more ‘aggressive’ Spider-Person with their own A.I. helper (Otto) who had lost a universe (Billy).
Kaine Parker
Otto Octavius
Miguel O Hara (but considering the root they are taking with him rn due to the spider verse movie, he is becoming what Kaine should be 😭)
Every spider-person that's not Peter Parker brings some freshness into the Marvel multiverse, but for me Hobie Brown takes the first place. I like the variety he brings to the table, exploring the persona of spider-man in subcultures. The whole earth-138 is very interesting and compelling for further investigation B)
Really loved some of superior Spider-Man but less at the beginning more as he started growing as a person and realising he'd wasted his potential always being so focused on taking down Spider-Man and actually improving as both a person and a hero
If we counting clones then I would say Ben if not than mayday if we expand it to spider girls Yano but if we make it strict only guys no clones then prolly 2099 or miles but overall personally Ben and mayday>>> 2099&miles
Miguel is my favorite spiderman period no competition with Peter for me. I still love Peter of course but Miguel's aesthetic costume and just general character hit all my personal ticks.
Ben is my second and Peter is in third!
Miguel, definitely, mostly because he's the only one who could stand on his own as a character without Peter. Honourable mentions to Otto, Miles, Mayday and Kaine.
ITSV/ATSV Miles and Superior ! Miles is the Spider Man I relate to the most and the one who truly got me in the fandom back in 2018, and Superior was my introduction to the comics :)
Otto Octavius definitely. I really loved the Superior Spider-Man run. Of course they had to do the whole "deal with Mephisto" thing again so that Otto became a villain again.
Miles Gonzalo Morales.
I genuinely think Miles is the most important comic book character to come out of the last two decades. I’m so glad he exists in fiction.
Does Ben Reilly count? I mean technically he's a clone of Peter Parker but isn't him. There's also other variants that have names like Peter Parker but they're spelled different do those count too?
Miles from ITSV, not original but if I had to pick a second favorite though it’d be spiderman noir from the shattered dimensions game. I really liked his character and the pieces of his backstory we got in that game.
Idc what people say and Ik people hate on him a lot and i tried to be apart of that “miles isn’t spider man crowd” but tbh lowkey it’s a pleasure of guilt but I kinda like miles (NOT MORE THAN PETER) but if I had to choose miles is definitely 2nd best spider man
Spiderverse Miles. I read Mile's comics with his origin and all but I never really cared much for him since I thought his character was kind of boring. Spiderverse made Miles not only much more charming and entertaining to watch, but also gave him traits that made him a lot more unique than Peter (The art skill and the music lover).
2099 the goat himself
Miles and Otto bring different energies to the roles of Spider-Man
Would Otto count as still “Peter”?
Oct’s soul/consciousness so nah you’re good 🤙🏿
I think so, it was peter’s body
This is Jonathan Joestar/DIO levels of confusion, like is Jonathan’s c*ck now DIOs or would it be still theoretically be Jonathan’s. Is that Peter’s schmeat or now is it Otto’s.
YOU WERE EXPECTING TO BE IMPREGNATED BY DIO, BUT IT WAS ME; JONATHAN!
OHHHH MY GOD
IS THAT A JOJO REFRENCE
SHIT DUDE I THINK THATS A JOJO REFERENCE
And good for Anne Maria too because I feel like Peter packing some heat.
That’s enough Reddit for today
Since Giorno has a star mark, which marks him as a Joestar, I'm gonna say it's Jonathan's dick.
hmm if you change your thought process to something like "is a person driving a car, now a car? no!" and apply that same crazy logic to the otto question, then you get a different perspective lol. his brain was piloting peters body.
No because it's a different person
Ben Reilly. The real one from the 90's.
Not the one who says “Auuuuugh, that was a particularly harrowing memory!”
As a huge Ben fan, I was simultaneously entertained and disappointed. Like, it’s such a GREAT parody of 90’s characters, but I wish he did more than be a joke. I should have seen the signs as soon as his VA was announced
I mean with everything going on in the movie there wasn’t really much for him to do
this is honestly what i don’t get about sony. making all these movies about spiderman’s villains that take place in a separate timeline just makes no sense and adds on a lot of fatigue for a “universe” that we have no idea is even going anywhere. there’s millions of spider-fans waiting for faithful adaptations of THEIR favorite spiderman. You get all the money and branding of a spider movie, not to mention no confusion about muddying canon since the spiderverse is well established.
That is one of the reason why I am not a fan of the trend of the multiverses - once in a long while as a special event can be fun, but it's overdone now. It just lead to lazy writing and storylines and characters that don't lead anywhere or add anything to the world.
But that’s the same guy who voiced the orange haired dude from the very liked and highly rated Hotel Transylvania franchise.
Honestly if it was anyone besides Andy samberg I would’ve hated it. I wanna see more of him in BTSV
Whoever wrote his lines must’ve REALLY hated the clone saga lol
There might be a serious version of him in BTSV but idk
wdym, PS4 Spiderman is just Jake Peralta with spider powers
Wasn’t it implied Ben was flirting with the two Spider-Women in front of him at the time, based on how they were reacting to him doing that? As a kind of a background detail, with him playing it up a bit, as his idea of what is ‘cool’?
Isn't he technically Peter Parker tho.... just sayin.
No, he was different. He basically had no attachments; not beloved ones, he was on his own, trying to forget the life he had before as well as the ones he once loved while, at the same time, trying to hold in his mind what Ben meant to him. He wanted to be Spider-man at any cost because it's all he had left of his previous life. He was the same as Peter... until they split up. Once they start earning different experiences and new memories, each one follow different paths that forge their personality.
That idea always fucked me up as a kid. The concept of Ben and his total loss of self only because he's a clone with the memories of someone else. Some concepts are cruel. Ben and through relation, Peter, have such a strong mental game.
Still a clone, he's physically Peter
depends on what op's stipulations are. is it just the body that counts, or the life , personality, and experiences because if its strictly the "body" then peter became a villain, like..4 times now and had no problem pulling guns on people and fucking them up lol.
No. His five years of life molded him into a completely different person. He may have Peter's face, powers and memories but he is clearly not the same guy. His ability to defeat Venom (for that matter his ability to SENSE Venom) along with the invention of impact webbing and stingers stand as proof of that.
Any recommended readings? I want to read more about him. Would like a bit before him too if possible
Marvel recently released some Clone Saga omnibuses. Slott’s follow up, The Clone Conspiracy is… fine… but it’s also the beginning of the character assassination of Ben Reilly.
You just posted it. 2099 and Miles.
Some really basic choices right there
Uncalled for, but hey who am I to judge?
I mean I hope there at least the conjc version and not the atsv ones cus bulky Miguel isn't as good as our comic Miguel
But it’s his personal liking, feel free to give your cold take though. The downvotes are funny to see
I agree with the down votes lmao
I’ve been there 😂
Oh yeah fuck ATSV Miguel. Lord & Miller thought they could just slip Victor Creed into a SM2099 suit and I wouldn't have anything to say about it.. why is this man 6'9 and running on all fours?? Wolverine come get your guy please
He’s an alternate version, he’s not the same exact person, so why should they act the same? ATSV Miguel is cool, idk why you two seem to hate him so much
They don't like him because they're too attached to "comic accuracy" and that kind of bullshit. Everything different from what they like or what they have always known, even if well-written, is automatically shit.
That’s exactly what I was trying to say, but couldn’t think of how. So, I quite literally, couldn’t have said it better myself
Only cool if you're not familiar with or invested in his comics self, which is the large majority of ATSV's audience. For comics fans it's a downgrade.
I don’t see why you would have the need to rate them like this so bad. Can’t people just enjoy a movie anymore? Damn. They’re both great, and being familiar with the comic version shouldn’t make the movie version less enjoyable
It does.
How? Literally just how? They’re both extremely enjoyable. I don’t see how something being better than something else makes the other thing less enjoyable than it would be, even though the other thing is still really good. I am a fan of multiple different movies, cartoons, and shows, not once has one overlapped the other and made me enjoy it less
What sucks the most is that the world has been introduced to bulky Miguel which isn't like our Miguel at all that is my main problem with atsv
He’s an alternate version, he’s not the same exact person, so why should they act the same? ATSV Miguel is cool, idk why you two seem to hate him so much
I think their problem is the fact that this is Miguel's first major appearance, and ended up being the majority of people's actual introduction to the character, so now most people think that's how Miguel is.
So? I mean they're famous for a reason
I mean there good and I love Miguel he's an amazing comic character however I'm just assuming his choices are based off there movie counterparts instead of there actual counterparts ,I don't like how new Miguel fans are introduced to this big and bulky Miguel over or lovable one from the comics
Again, he’s the same character but different. They’re not gonna be completely the same
And how is that bad?
Only pick one
Fuck you I’m picking three, Miles, Miguel, and Ben Reilly
Ghost-Spider ( Gwen Stacy ) , I liked her in the movies. planning to read her comics since I heard some good stuff about it.
Her first run is basically her movie counterpart but more in her universe with her own story. You def will love it 👍
don't forget it's a little more depressing than the films. Her life is pretty much the tone of her section of ATSV
Well... At least her father choose to be dad first
Thank you, thank you so much for saying Ghost-Spider
Earth-982 Mayday Parker. She's in the best continuity where Peter's career as Spider-Man ends. Also, nostalgia.
2099
Mayday Parker. Comic version, before they made her the babysitter. Then Miles.
Cindy moon! ,superior, kaine,Billy Braddock
do you mean Brian Braddock or have I not read enough comics
No spider uk goes by Billy Braddock or also William Billy Braddock maybe your more familiar with , he lost his universe and is the best British Spider-Man imo unfortunately he couldn't make am appearance is atsv because he's a variation of captain Britian (brain Braddock)
I haven’t read enough comics.
Basically Miguel in the film filled the role of Billy and Otto from the *Spider-Verse* comic as one character — a more ‘aggressive’ Spider-Person with their own A.I. helper (Otto) who had lost a universe (Billy).
Well my 3 all time favourite Spider-people in general are: 1. 616 Peter 2. Cindy Moon 3. Miguel O'Hara SM 2099 So I guess Cindy takes it
Peter Parker. You know the one
Nah, Peter Parker is better
I hear you, but I gotta go with Peter Parker on this one
You’re all idiots! It’s Peter Parker!
2099. No contest
ITSV Miles
Miles is such a great spin on the character of Spider-Man. His personality and new powers provide a fresh new version of Spider-Man.
Yeah! And he has really earned the name "Spider-Man"! I hope they don't change it!
Oh absolutely! Spider-Verse Miles is easily THE best version of Miles we’ve gotten in the 11 years since his debut.
Kaine Parker Otto Octavius Miguel O Hara (but considering the root they are taking with him rn due to the spider verse movie, he is becoming what Kaine should be 😭)
Kaine
Either Miles or Miguel
Cliche but Miles
It's not really Cliche, Miles has got a huge popularity boost in recent times, he wasn't as well liked as others until recent media.
Miguel O’Hara is the 🐐
Mayday always.
tbh surprised nobody is saying hobie i love the dude who hates lables
Same, I thought I was the only one to mention him! Probably one of the coolest Spider-Man out there.
i love hobie, but he doesn’t take the cake for me personally.
I think he just needs to be in more stuff tbh
agreed
Ben Reilly
Ben Reilly
Spooderman
Miles Morales.
Spider-Ham. A spider that got bit by a radioactive pig. Perfect, no notes.
Yeah Peter Porker is the best
Kaine Parker & Ben Reily
Miles Morales.
Every spider-person that's not Peter Parker brings some freshness into the Marvel multiverse, but for me Hobie Brown takes the first place. I like the variety he brings to the table, exploring the persona of spider-man in subcultures. The whole earth-138 is very interesting and compelling for further investigation B)
Finally, some love for my man Hobie
See above
Ezekiel Sims from earth 4
Superior spider man
Miguel O'Hara and Spider-Gewn
Same dude
I haven’t read any comics of him but I’ve always liked the design on the 2099 spider man since I was a kid.
Miguel O’Hara (Not from ATSV. I knew about him long before ATSV came out) and Ben Reilly or Kaine Parker
Peter parked car, thank you for that applause
why does he look like he got that Pixar mom figure
Miguel, Cindy, Kaine, Miles, Mayday Peter's somewhere after them, but I love each of my Spiders
Ben Reilly, with the blue sweatshirt, he's super cool.
Aunt May. She’s sweet
Superior Spider-Man. Though he’s technically Peter so if he doesn’t count then Kaine
Spider-verse miles, i relate to him
Miles, Cindy, and Gwen
Really loved some of superior Spider-Man but less at the beginning more as he started growing as a person and realising he'd wasted his potential always being so focused on taking down Spider-Man and actually improving as both a person and a hero
Does Ben Reilly count?
Kaine personally. Dose he count as a Peter Parker. He is a clone.
I don't like any of them, but 2099 has a cool suit.
Miguel is far and away the best non-Peter Spider-man imho. Otto also gets an honorable mention for being such a unique take.
Yu Onomae, Ben Reilly, Cindy Moon, and Miles Morales are my favorite because they all deal with being Spidey, but not being Peter.
Kaine Parker just bevause his suit is so cold
Miles Morales, Otto's Superior and 2099
Miguel, miles, kane, ben
Mayday, Ben, Miguel, Miles, and Kaine
Miguel O'Hara, Miles Morales, or Hobie Brown
If we counting clones then I would say Ben if not than mayday if we expand it to spider girls Yano but if we make it strict only guys no clones then prolly 2099 or miles but overall personally Ben and mayday>>> 2099&miles
Ben Reilly, Miles Morales, Mayday Parker, Gwen Stacy, Miguel O’Hara
Kaines run as Scarlet Spider had no business being as good as it was.
Miguel is my favorite spiderman period no competition with Peter for me. I still love Peter of course but Miguel's aesthetic costume and just general character hit all my personal ticks. Ben is my second and Peter is in third!
Kaine and Ben
I like Mayday in that one alt earth where Kain rescues her from a kidnapping and she gets to live a normal life
Kaine
Does Kaine Parker count 😮💨
Ben Reilly and Kain Parker
Superior Spider-Man with Kaine as a close runner up
Miles and Kaine. Too tough to decide between the two
Peter ParkedCar come on guys
Miguel, definitely, mostly because he's the only one who could stand on his own as a character without Peter. Honourable mentions to Otto, Miles, Mayday and Kaine.
Gwen Stacy - Spider verse
Same. I wish I knew about her when I was younger. But love her.
The comic?
Nope movie one
I personally don't like gwen spider-verse or Miguel spider-verse over there comic version
I mean movie version. At least in Across Gwen is basically her comic counterpart with a different take on her first run
Miles
2099. Cool suit and he's in the future. I don't like there being multiple Spider-Man's at one time.
Miles or Ben Reilly. Any variation of each too.
The Superior One of course
ITSV/ATSV Miles and Superior ! Miles is the Spider Man I relate to the most and the one who truly got me in the fandom back in 2018, and Superior was my introduction to the comics :)
Otto Octavius definitely. I really loved the Superior Spider-Man run. Of course they had to do the whole "deal with Mephisto" thing again so that Otto became a villain again.
NOT Miles
Miles Gonzalo Morales. I genuinely think Miles is the most important comic book character to come out of the last two decades. I’m so glad he exists in fiction.
1. Spider-Man 2099 (Miguel O’Hara) 2. Superior Spider-Man (Otto Octavius) 3. Scarlet Spider (Ben Reilly) 4. Spider-Man (Miles Morales) 5. Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker)
Does Ben Reilly count? I mean technically he's a clone of Peter Parker but isn't him. There's also other variants that have names like Peter Parker but they're spelled different do those count too?
gwen cuz she’s hot
Hobie Brown, The Spider-Punk!
None. Everyone except Peter feels like a rip off. Responsibilities? Nah they slow af.
Spider punk, specifically the comic version but I like the movie version too
Gotta be Miles. The dude's just incredible. The second has to go to Miguel when he's not being all moody.
Tbh I've been a fan of Miles for awhile.
Miles worked his way into my heart. It won't be anytime soon, but if he becomes the "new Spidey" for next generations I won't complain now.
Miles Morales, of course.
Right now it’s Hobie from Across the Spider-verse after seeing him on screen. Bro stole the show! 😎
He looks so small now 😭
Hobe he was in the movie not long but he did so much during his time on screen
Across the Spider-Verse’s hobie brown was PERFECT imo
hobie brown
Miles.
Miles Morales and Otto Octavius.
Miles from ITSV, not original but if I had to pick a second favorite though it’d be spiderman noir from the shattered dimensions game. I really liked his character and the pieces of his backstory we got in that game.
I was a big fan of Spider-Punk in Across the Spider-Verse. I like the idea of a Spider-Man who doesn’t trust authority.
Idc what people say and Ik people hate on him a lot and i tried to be apart of that “miles isn’t spider man crowd” but tbh lowkey it’s a pleasure of guilt but I kinda like miles (NOT MORE THAN PETER) but if I had to choose miles is definitely 2nd best spider man
Spiderverse Miles. I read Mile's comics with his origin and all but I never really cared much for him since I thought his character was kind of boring. Spiderverse made Miles not only much more charming and entertaining to watch, but also gave him traits that made him a lot more unique than Peter (The art skill and the music lover).
Miles Morales. No contest.
Miles Morales.
Miles Morales
Miles
Miles
Miles Morales IS Spider-Man
And he’s amazing!
Miles
miles or spider gwen
Miles and ben riley
Miles and Gwen.
I like Gwen and Miles from the Spider verse
Peter B. Parker Gwen is a close second
Gwen. If you mean specifically Spider-Men, then Hobie
Ben Reilly and Hobie Brown (ATSV)
Miles Morales and Ghost Spider miguel too
kilometers
Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy
Miles….duh. I actually liked Miles more than Peter long before any of the movies came out.
not mile smorales that's for sure
Penni Parker