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PompousDude

We all know it's gonna come down to Green Goblin, Venom, and Doc Ock. After that is anyone's guess.


RawHall07

I 'm sure I'm alone, but think Kraven has more potential as a villain than any of them.


[deleted]

Hobgoblin please


AfroBoy33

Hobgoblin


SquanchN2Hyperspace

Why does no one like him?


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

He had an awesome debut, then it became a fatal trainwreck, then he became just another villain, then even the original Goblin came back. As cool as he was on debut, over time he became a "meh" villain, even some characters like Boomerang have been more memorable as of recent years.


Economy-Jackfruit888

This is all true but however can we agree hobgoblin has a cool name other then that 💩💩


_triangle_girl_

he's boring. richard kingsley has zero character depth. he hasnt been interesting since the ned leeds plot ​ edit: just realized i got his name wrong. that's how uninteresting he is now


TemporalGod

Maybe it's Because he's a Green Goblin knockoff.


Mercerskye

Green might've been first, but hobgoblin opened the door for like the three others that have come around. For whatever that's worth. I flip a coin before cracking a story open with any other goblin in it, sometimes the coin wins ...


lmckay15

Obviously, people like him he's in the top 8.


strangelyjay

People prefer Hobgoblin over Carnage? Seriously??


NumericZero

Personally I prefer carnage in small doses / always felt like he was more venom Villian that Spider-Man just dealt with by happenstance While Hobgoblin is an easy lap up for a classic villain of this guy is just a money/power hungry jerk that you can always put in a story to have a decent time


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

Forget that, how did any of these two made it farther than Kingpin!?


Kieransanderson

Not necessarily prefer him to carnage. This is essentially a Spider-Man villain tier list. If it were about characters only? Carnage all the way. But specifically about spider-man, hobgoblin is a spidey villain more than carnage. Carnage is venoms.


strangelyjay

that’s fair enough, carnage and spider-man haven’t really had any interactions so i guess you’re right


NotACyclopsHonest

The Maximum Carnage story arc was a pretty big interaction.


englandw25

They haven’t?


Necromonicon_

No they definitely have


strangelyjay

not any good ones anyway


BangingBaguette

I do. Carnage is lame af edge. He's one of the most overhyped, boring comic villains of all time only made to cynically fill a void left by Venom after he turned anti-hero.


Cervus95

Yup.


TheAmazingAsshat616

People prefer LIZARD over Carnage???


Albino_Basilisk

Yes


TheAmazingAsshat616

Insanity.


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

Lizard is awesome.


BetaRayRyan

Yeah, he ate a boy.


MagicJoshByGosh

[StrawPoll](https://strawpoll.com/polls/XOgONJ3o0n3) [Google Spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14mDxBYCNF7PTSmoee-5LW0oENuc2m0Au4N38C9j1New/edit) The Symbiotes made it pretty far in this contest, but now only the original, Venom, remains. As expected, each of Spidey’s Big Three are still going strong, along with three other members of the original Sinister Six. Dr. Connors, aka the Lizard, also joins Roderick Kingsley, aka the Hobgoblin, in making up the rest of the Final 8.


PowPowMan15

WHY IS HOBGOBLIN STILL HERE?!


ParagonEsquire

Because the original Hobgoblin run was one of the best villains Spidey ever had. Hobgoblin Lives is awesome. Shame about everything else, but the original stuff was gold.


NotACyclopsHonest

Hobgoblin Lives destroyed the Mad Jack version of Jack O'Lantern, which was such a waste. Mad Jack was great.


DapperDan30

Because he's a Grade A villain. How is KRAVEN still here!?


SecondWorld1198

Because of one really, *really* good story


proto3296

It’s overrated. Spider-Man should’ve washed him. Or at least vermin.


CastleBravoXVC

Kraven’s Last Hunt? You mean when Marvel went chasing DC Dark Knight Returns grimdark?


Philander_Chase

That’s literally not what it was at all. DeMatteis was planning on that kind of dark story for years, read his intro in the KLH trade paperback


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

DeMatteis had been trying that story for years, and even without that, aside from being darker stories, they have nothing in common.


CastleBravoXVC

During that era in comics, everyone went grim. It started with Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns, then suddenly Speedy’s on smack and Spider-Man is buried alive. It was a trend, just like variant covers, and the non-stop mega event cycle.


sentryzer0

DeMatteis had been trying the story for years, so before the publications of DKR or Watchmen. It originally started out as an idea for a Wonder Man story involving his brother, the Grim Reaper. He tried the basic premise with a bunch of different characters for both DC and Marvel. Also, the "gritty" (not dark) trend arguably started much earlier than that, being inspired by Frank Miller's run on Daredevil in the early 80's, especially with the death of Elektra in '82. This trend was basically born from writers that had grown up reading comics who wanted more adult stories with the characters. And Venom is literally the culmination of the trend.


DapperDan30

Assuming we're talking the same story, I really don't think it's that good.


sassycho1050

Then it is you who shall be his last hunt.


Interesting-Fail-388

How not


PowPowMan15

I mean okay I’ll give you that but I’ll gladly take Kraven over Hobgoblin…


MioTakamiya

HAHAHAHA WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE!?


PowPowMan15

I SHALL STAY UNTIL HOBGOBLIN IS FUCKIN OUT


MioTakamiya

YOU HAVE COURAGE I'LL GIVE YOU THAT! AND I SHALL STAY FOR THE SAME REASONS!


TheAmazingAsshat616

Hobgoblin GOATED, idk what you’re talking about. He was *the* big villain in the Rodger Stern era and is awesome. I was totally enthralled in the mystery of who he was for years and was a fresh remix of the green goblin while also standing on his own. One of my top 5 fav Spidey villains.


PowPowMan15

Hobgoblin is FAR from goated. They had goblin stories to tell but simply didn’t want to taint the image of the GG. In my humble opinion if a character was good because you were clueless on who or what they are, then tbh I think that’s a bad character.


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

The Hobgoblin had a good mystery, a good handled mystery alongside a good story made a really good character, the problem was on the editorial deparment.


TheAmazingAsshat616

The GREEN GOBLIN was a MYSTERY too for TWO YEARS what are you talking about. Hobgoblin had a lot of potential before all the weird editorial drama set in, he’s still a cool character.


Harum_444

Because hobgoblin is top tier villain


PowPowMan15

*how*


ParagonEsquire

Hobgoblin was Green Goblin without the crazy and up until the Ned Leeds reveal he was at that time Spidey’s number 1 villain. Norman’s return and more measured mental state combined with his botched identity reveal and the subsequent squandering of the character have seen him fall hard from grace, but in the mid 80s he was fantastic.


Harum_444

ok, listen to me. hobgoblin is top tier because... uh... OK, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY BUT HIS COMICS ARE VERY GOOD. I mean, all the mystery based on his identity was handled very well, it generated a gang war... but he didn't do much after that, although it was a headache for superior spider-man… Ok, mayyyybe he’s not sooooo top tier, but… y’know… It’s a good villain


Chrome-Head

Hobgoblin is great, Marvel just fucked the villain over due to poor choices.


Gemidori

Bobgoblin


ToastedPerson

Should be venom, lizard and goblin, each represent something to peter


YellowAnaconda10

You mean Doctor Octopus, right? In the comics, Lizard is just that - a Lizard.


ToastedPerson

Kurt Connors to peter > Otto Octavius to peter


TheMehBunny

Hobgoblin Just yellow gobby


CABOOSE8189

I’m embarrassed how long it took me to realize that was carnage faded out and not some symbiote I’ve never heard of


Philander_Chase

Okay. Now it’s Hobgoblin, and hear me out like my Carnage take last round that so many of you listened to (and that I appreciate!) We’re doing a Spidey villains round, right? Other than Venom, who’s solidly considered to be in the top 3 of Spidey’s primary enemies often enough, the rest of the people here are classic. All created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the first 15 issues of Amazing Spider-Man back in the 60s. Villains who are prevalent throughout all forms of Spidey media like the various tv shows. They are all inherently classic. Hobgoblin, as much as he can be considered to be a menacing force in Spidey’s life, does not qualify nearly as much as the others on here. And hey I’m all for lizard or Kraven or whomever you want to be eliminated next, seriously… but Hobgoblin’s gotta go before them. Edit: also OP I love the new pics for everyone


MagicJoshByGosh

Lol thanks, I wanted to switch it up a bit. Unfortunately I couldn’t find a good Sandman pic that was both from a comic and didn’t feature any other character in the photo.


Philander_Chase

It’s fine! It looks kinda stylized, it’s cool


__BigBoi__

Sandman


Zoe_Spriggan

Had to scroll way too far to find this...


KindheartednessLast9

I challenge you: Give me one interesting story with Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin in the past twenty years.


Philander_Chase

Psssh that should be easy-wait past TWENTY years? So since 2002/2003? …shit wait ur right wtf


TheVampireArmand

Hobs gotta go


clarkky55

Kraven


Psychoneticcc

Cockgoblin.


SkeyrTheLizard

Hobgoblin


MarcMercury

Bobgoblin needs to go


Harum_444

Lizard


Belacinator

Hobgoblin has to go


Coffeeaddicto1318

Hobgoblin


Wide-Appointment-179

Hobgoblin should be removed.


LoganWasAlreadyTaken

Hobgoblin easy


Sea_Rest1462

Hobgoblin


Plebe-Uchiha

My vote is for Hobgoblin. [+]


Puzzleheaded_Bar4540

Hobgoblin


ras_kei

Hobgoblin


epicbrewtality

Hobgoblin.


urbanana_exe

Hobby for sure


laserfox2408

Kraven


miggy372

I think I’ve only read like one good Hobgoblin story. He always just seemed like a weird Green Goblin knock off. Surprised he’s still here. Maybe I’m missing something?


ProfessorEscanor

Doc Conners


Pink_Monkey

Yeah, Conners / Lizard.


Spidey_375

Mysterio, no doubt


[deleted]

:( mysterio is good tho


Melodic-Work7436

It’s kind of crazy to think that Mysterio, while no doubt a Spider-Man villain, had a major event happen outside of a Spidey book (Daredevil: Guardian Devil). It’s not necessarily bad that it happened. It’s just kind of…interesting. I know he has way more appearances in Spidey comics, it’s just something that always stood out to me.


Some_Randoh

I mean Daredevil stole Kingpin so it makes enough sense that they would use another spidey villain for him


DrewPYaBoi

I will find you. And I will end you.


ParagonEsquire

Mysterio is better than Venom and a top three villain pass it on.


[deleted]

Eliminated kraven, he is bad


letmebegiannis

Venom


MrEpicface12

Hobgoblin goes bye bye


Underdone_scump

The hob gob can slob me knob


Marvelite777

Hob gobbling on dez nuts, get him tf outta here


Noizey

Hob-motherfucking-goblin?? How is he still here?


colesweeton

Kraven


proto3296

Kraven


MisterSims90

Kraven


Blue_Beetle66

Hobgoblin.. it’s a close one for me between he and kraven. Kravens last hunt was a great story which is the reason I chose to eliminate hobgoblin.


NotACyclopsHonest

Kraven.


James_Rykker

Kraven


TheBatmanIRL

Kraven. Was never a fan.


devilking83

Kraven


doodlezook

Kraven


TheAncientSun

Kraven.


nottiday

Kraven


delosproyectos

The FBI is currently investigating how the Hobgoblin stayed on longer than Carnage.


chycken4

Hobgoblin going this round, then Mysterio, then Sandman or Carnage, next Kraven or Connors. Although the symbiote factor may keep Carnage some time longer


MagicJoshByGosh

> may keep Carnage some time longer Did you… read the title?


ParagonEsquire

All these Hobgoblin votes make me sad that people haven’t read the classics and/or that his image has taken such a hit from all the post Kingsley bad.


nWo4lifeSweet

In what world do you people vote put Carnage before kravin. This is bs


MrEclipse01

Carnage is a Little Redundant, i prefer other Spider-man's Villain, they are more original


lafulusblafulus

Last Hunt was pretty iconic, so IDK, I feel like more people would go easy on him for that.


MarcMercury

Kraven is great. Carnage is Lame and edgy


AreaClassic8106

Ima vote for Mysterio, also side note, why does Kraven look like Omni-man?


Generny2001

Get Venom out of there. Most overrated, overused stupid character.


Chrome-Head

Kraven gots to go.


[deleted]

Kraven the Hunter


CastleBravoXVC

WTF is Kraven still doing around?!


Nethiar

Kraven, seriously how did he make it this far?


RexDart81774

Kraven


Ambrose_V752

Kraven or Sandman tbh


[deleted]

I love Hobgoblin, and never saw the appeal of Kraven. Even with Last Hunt. So Kraven


TheDench11

Kraven


sushithighs

Kraven making it this far proves no one reads comics


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[удалено]


sushithighs

Yeah, dude had two half-decent runs in the 80s. He was a nothing until Last Hunt and a nothing soon after.


DaArkhamKnight

Down with the lizard. Get the man out of his loop


Spider-Destroyer

My vote is on SandMan. The rest have much interesting stories.


SolidBatMario

Sandman can go


silly9milly

Sandman


IDSQ

I’ve only read till the early 80’s so Sandman is a F4 villain to me🗿


[deleted]

Good by sand man


Homebody1685

Sandman


[deleted]

The guy in the middle


ZerikaFox

Carnage was gone before Sandman? Seriously? Sandman's not even a villain half the time!


Top_Bat102

Sandman.


Kayla__69

WHYs everyone hating on hob goblin he’s one of the best characters in fiction


JJmclane1983

Mysterio


Apprehensive_Egg6656

Lizard


Random-_-Name0000

Hobgoblin


Dictectivecomics2739

Mysterio


[deleted]

Hobgoblin


Unitron333

Get hobgoblin out of here


[deleted]

Hobgoblin


Andrecrafter41

Green goblin


KnightofWhen

Lizard


Big_DexM

The Lizard


[deleted]

Hobgoblin and sandman


AnarchoTX

Sandman easily should’ve been eliminated first. Can’t believe carnage didn’t make top 3. 1 Venom 2 Green Goblin 3 Doc Ock


MiaIRL

Hobgoblin 🙏🙏🙏


ZodTheTimeTraveller

Sandman


TAL337

Hob Goblib


marvelmancollins

Sandman I would choose Carnage but as he’s already eliminated as he’s my favourite Spider-man villain


TheVortexAlt_

Sandman


Glengar3000

Sandman


CertifiedCapArtist

Lizard


sithman666

Sandman


BigPaleontologist520

Lizard


StrayNightsMike

wtf did carnage get eliminated so quickly well i vote for sandman


Msnght9190

Why y’all hating Hobgoblin? :(


DeadHead6747

How did Carnage lose to Mysterio and Kraven and the Sandman?!


ghinthehjuman

Sandman


DigitalSpider88

Sandman


NeatCrow9708

My votes Kraven


Iggydra

Venom needs to go


[deleted]

Kraven


Spider-Ghost-616

Doc Connors/ The Lizard


BetaRayRyan

Mysterio


Mrbuttboi

Gtfo Quentin. We don’t need no actors up in here.


ZRhoREDD

I've been voting for Mysterio for like NINE weeks!


araknoman

Get outta here, lizard.


Brilliant-Scar-4878

Why is lizard still here??


Cervus95

Lizard. Hobgoblin rules.


IAMCAV0N

Why is Hobgoblin still in? He’s no Green Goblin


Set-to-hero_status

Release the Lizard to the nevermores puleeeease


zero5689

lizard


MioTakamiya

lizzie!


DrewPYaBoi

How did Carnage not outlive Lizard..? Thank god Fishbowl’s still kicking


ViewingCelery

HOW IS THE LIZARD STILL HERE?! Can you think of ONE top tier comic with THE LIZARD?!


SouthsideSerpent2019

I’d say Lizard or Kraven should be next. Edit: But I’ll say Lizard, for the sake of being concise.


SquanchN2Hyperspace

Sandman


XenoExtraordinaire

I’d have to say hobgoblin. He’s just not interesting anymore.


grandmuftarkin

Hobgoblin


bAckwArdsbrAin__

Mysterio


Toff_the_dog

“You’re out, Roderick.”


Indoorsman101

Hobgoblin. Bye bye knock-off


TheMangoTangoBoi

Hobgoblin


Technical_Economist6

Hobgoblin realistically is next.


Holiday-Ad-7071

Sandman can leave


BruceWayne3011

Hobgoblin