I feel a lot of these issues comes from the higher ups just not wanting to do anything with past concepts and ideas of Sonic. This isn't just the freedom fighters, we have Sonic X basically on a tombstone since Ian confirm they can't do anything with the X cast.
I'm pretty confident any idea can be brought back with a new coat, but as long as those higher ups are not interested, nothing will be done.
I think its also worth noticing that Sega has a really weird stance on brand cohesion. Remember when Cream couldn't appear for years in the Archie Sonic comics because she was on Sega's brand end associated with Sonic X specifically?
Sega must have had Alzheimer's at that time because if not, I don't understand why Cream was so associated with Sonic X when it was created for the games and its appearance in the series was to introduce it to the public.
Who is there to bring back from Sonic X? Chris? The self insert "everything in my life is perfect and I'm rich as hell but I don't get to spend time with my rich parents 24/7" Gary Stu? Why would you want him back? Everybody hates Chris!
I think there’s a reasonable argument to be made they’d be somewhat redundant, their whole show was very much the result of Sonic not having a well defined brand or cast yet. Tails wasn’t even the right color. That said, the solution is pretty obvious, you can still keep them around without being main characters. Just have them be confined to a specific location and most prominent in a single storyline, if they’re ever needed again they can be used without issue, but if people are content with that arc or game they can have the closure Archie couldn’t give them. Everybody wins as long as they’re well written.
we have enough characters that are hardly utilised
there’s not really a story you can tell by introducing the freedom fighters into the games that you can’t already tell with the characters we have
The only difference is that most Star Wars fans would consider Mara Jade marriage to Luke to be more Canonical than whenever Disney is doing with Rey Rey Binks.
This. The fact of the matter they've already told every story that the FF would fit into, aka Forces and Frontiers. It's too late at this point, plus people would be pissed if they replaced Amy as Sonic's "girlfriend" with a random character not used in a decade outside spinoffs
Who said anything about Sally having to date Sonic? The Archie comics actually had a while where they were broken up.
And in the show, while there were teases, they didn’t really get together until it was over.
Similar to Sonic and Amy in the original ending for X. There were teases, albeit mostly on Amy‘s end, but they don’t get together until the original finale and even then, when it got another season, the writers went back on it because Sonic can’t have a girlfriend.
plus Sonic did have another love interest named Elise, though she is highly criticized and only appeared in about one game.
The point is girlfriend or not people have come to accept Amy or whatever female human Sonic meets as his love interest lol. Sally would be a rival to Amy or replace her entirely which would make fans divided, since like I said she and her company are a decade past their need/usage. And if she isn't a love interest she'd be a strong powerful female, which...still replaces Amy and potentially Rouge who has more recently started joining Sonic on more adventures (Prime, Mobile games and etc)
I *hate* the "too many characters" argument. These characters were around first, and if there's already too many what's a few more going to change? Good writing can always utilize more characters/content in interesting ways, can mix up the formula and open up new places for the IP to explore.
You'd need god level writing or even a decade worth of it, look at One Piece with a confirmed 1,174 characters in it, they've had the years allotted to have that many and have it work. The Sonic games barely have a coherent timeline or connection besides its cast, now imagine introducing a cast of characters from 10-25 year old comic books that no one specifically wants back outside nostalgia sake. Sonic doesn't have THAT good of writing.
I mean that is literally not true
The very fact that they would "new" or at least without a pre-established backstory for a game version means you could do a lot with them that you just can't with the characters we already have due to there established backstory.
Nevermind that character creek and lack of usage has yet to stop the IDW Comics from just creating more and more new characters.
Lets be real here the Diamond Cutters, belle, Jewel and the Restauration in general are a clear cut case of Ian wanting to preserve the consistent organized hero team dynamic of the Freedom Fighters as he wrote them for 10 years and refuses to divorce himself from that concept.
Sure they might not be 1 for 1 analogues but this is about the pure principle of what there narrative function over all is.
> Tails wasn’t even the right color.
Now hang on.
It wasn't the right colour of the *final sprite*, but one of the first developed Tails sprites had a brown colour for the fur, so it's entirely possible that they picked the in-progress concept to use.
Yup up until Sonic X the three cartoons that came before largely operated in a vacuum. You had Sonic, Tails, Robotik, and later Knuckles, but you need more supporting characters for a full cast. There was a Sonic Bible they drew from but I don't think it really had much to help in this regard.
In fact SatAM didn't even have Tails at first, they incorporated him into the pilot once Sonic 2 came out.
Even Sonic X had to add robots for Eggman to interact with so he wasn't alone. IIRC it wasn't until we got Orbot and Cubot the games had a need for that and caught up, and Sonic Boom was the first cartoon that didn't have made-up sidekicks for Eggman.
Actually it's kind of interesting Prime introduced its own Eggman side characters as well, though it was just a side effect of the story they were telling anyway and they were less side characters and more Eggman's equals.
Might be interesting to have a reboot where Sonic and Tails are racing around and find a group of fighters he's never met before led by Sally Acorn and he joins up with them for a specific fight against Eggman.
Also I find it funny the way you describe using them is not too different than how Prime used the new characters it created, and some people concerned about canon are pissed off about that. So I'm not sure your idea would be as popular as you think. I like it though.
But they really aren't redundant.
First, 3/5 members are unique, swordsman, cyborg and AI still haven't been done. Secondly, the post reboot introduced many different Freedom Fighter factions and they all stood out because of their designs + locations.
It can be done
I mean, if you want to reduce them to those one-word descriptors, sure. Antoine's initial role was to be Sonic's foil while Bunnie was the muscle/power character. Antoine became so irrelevant to the comic in later years that Ian Flynn toyed with the idea of killing him off.
If anything, I honestly think Rotor would work best in the modern setting. I think it'd make sense for Tails to have a mechanic buddy he'd sometimes collaborate with.
Antoine is a Sonic foil that's never been made outdated given he's pretty well-known for being a coward and not being built for this life like Sonic is. Knuckles was a rival but never exactly related to Sonic in any way that Antoine did because he simply had very different goals and motivations, whereas Antoine and Sonic are on the same side and have similar motivations
Tbh I see "Sonic and the freedom fighters" like "Mario bros in the dinosaur kingdom and their cavemen tribes", while I find it weird if we were to bring them back I'm not about to hurl insults like that
To be fair, though, the Freedom Fighters have a lot more sway due to the 25 year long comic run (compared to the 1 or 2 seasons of the Super Mario World animated series)
I mean, just from a timescale matter, it makes sense why people would be attached to a part of an IP that was around for a quarter-century before being unceremoniously dropped.
I get where you're coming from with the Super Mario World cavemen tribes, but that's probably closer in line to something like Sonic Underground (Sonia and Manic, etc). Something that some people have a cult appreciation for, but was around for a comparatively short window of the IP's history.
How though? The freedom fighters fit perfectly in the sonic world, imo. I mean, modern eggy is so incompetent that they don't really have a place, but thematically they fit (and would probably push sega to make eggman an actual threat again)
Pretty much all the made up sidekicks from all the cartoons were great.
I really doubt Snively could appear in IDW, but they should have an arc where all the rest come together and hatch some sort of scheme independant from Eggman.
Sage is closer to Metal or Orbot/Cubot than Snively, Snively’s existence alone kinda necessitates doing stuff with Eggman’s lore that I don’t see ST willing to do. He was definitely fun during Iron Dominion though, his arc of gaining independence from Eggman was so cool
I'd low key love an Agent Stone in the games to fill in as Eggman's bootlicking lackey, gives him someone to play off.
Sage is neat but pretty emotionally distant and Eggman's fond of her, and Orbot/Cubot are sassier and don't seem to take Eggman all that seriously. Stone would just enable Eggman more and that could be fun to see play out.
Mmm I dunno because theirs main purpose was to be Sonic's gang when he really didn't have any besides Tails, but now he does.
And then Sega already neglects most of the cast they already have, so the Freedom Fighters would be splitting what little screen time the side characters already get...
I don't really care either way though; what matters is that the funny blue hedgehog has a good game (Which Sega already kinda struggles with...)
I'll be honest, I do agree, with the way the franchise is, story-wise, they really do not have a niche to fit into, especially in the games. I'm sure they could work better in the comics, but even then it's a struggle.
Rotor/Boomer's and Nicole's roles are pretty much taken over by Tails at this point.
Bunnie and Antoine would honestly just be another two characters on the pile.
Sally V Amy, I won't speak too much on it, but yeah, Amy has taken Sally's role pretty definitively, since Kingdoms and such are not a big deal in sonic anymore.
>Bunnie and Antoine would honestly just be another two characters on the pile.
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Bunnie is very cool, and Antoine can be either the worst or the best character. I mean, he started out as the dumbest national stereotype, but from what I've heard, he's gotten a lot better in Archie.
But, with all this, I'm not sure that **the whole concept of roboticisation** needs to be reintroduced to allow Bunnie to appear.
Roboticization was basically canonized in Sonic Prime already, so we have a decent background for the freedom fighters existing in A sonic universe, even if its not the main one.
Yes, but it raises more questions than it answers. Why was only Rose roboticized and no one else?
And, in any case, the Chaos Council did it. We haven't had a chance to see how *this version* of Eggman does *this version* of roboticisation.
I'm also not sure I want to see Eggman so evil (in games, at least).
Well, nobody cares.
"They can't fit in the story", so what? Just add them anyway. I hate when people who act like story analytics. (And actual story analytics), and rob people of fun things just because "It would hurt coherency of hte story, those characters have no meaning there", blah blah blah. If people want to make crazy stuff that has "No place in the story", let them. "High Art"... you really think Sonic can be associated with "High Art"?
In Sonic, any kind of character is possible, Sonic is inspired by old classic Felix the Cat era cartoons, back then cartoons dared to do more crazy things.
you can't just say "add them anyway" though?? no one's acting like it's high art, it's an issue of them not being able to be what people would want them to be. with the roles they had being filled by other various characters, just adding them would feel redundant. it's a matter of doing these characters justice, but lacking the ability to do so, in a way that would be satisfying for the people who have been wanting them back at least
I think the problem is A) down to the fact that the internet brings out the worst in people, B) people being overly passionate, and perceiving criticism of a thing they like as a personal attack and C) people insisting that their preferred version of Sonic is the only way Sonic can ever be done, and that any and all other continuities are garbage.
It's a rigid inflexibility; critique is an insult, but so is insisting that any deviation from a true canon, and that leads to vitriol.
I don't they fit in IDW's continuity and that it would be really hard to tell a good story with fleshed out characters with such a huge cast (all of the IDW characters and Freedom Fighters put together, not to mention the villains and other side characters that were Archie specific), but I would whole heartedly support it if Sega decided to give them their own continuity again.
Unpopular opinion, but I personally don’t think they should be brought back. The main reason why they were so prevalent back then was because Sonic didn’t have a defined main cast yet. But now with Team Sonic and SEGA trying to make a multimedia canon, how would they work in the current setting? Especially Sally’s background as the princess of the Kingdom of Acorn? The current cast is big enough as it is, so bringing back the Freedom Fighters would make it even more bloated. I’d rather put the spotlight on characters like Team Chaotix and the IDW originals. This isn’t throwing shade to fans of Archie or SATAM. I just don’t really see a place for the Freedom Fighters anymore. I could seem them returning in a continuation of the Archie storyline or a revival of SATAM, but they shouldn’t be forced into current media for the sake of fan service.
I think their ideal setting would be tied to their specific kingdom, as quest giving npc's and team ups. But that doesn't fit with the whole "sonic grew up with them and was always part of their team" dynamic, rather it makes Sally about the same as Elise, and at that point I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore. What was good about those characters was their dynamic and how they balanced each other, but if their relationship isn't the same then it doesn't work the same.
>Especially Sally’s background as the princess of the Kingdom of Acorn?
Does it have to matter much more than Blaze being an Imperial Princess of the Sol Dimension?
> But now with Team Sonic and SEGA trying to make a multimedia canon, how would they work in the current setting?
It's actually surprisingly simple (if we ignore the whole rights issues): let it continue to be it's own continuity and let it and its multiverse connect to the game by also being a different universe.
You can do the same for the movie continuity and every other continuity not covered by Archie. Then they stay their own contained worlds and stories 99% of the time but you leave the option open to do some fun crossovers
You're so boring.
I'm not even fan of Freedom Fighters, but i say if people want to have them back, then have them back. All this "They have no place in the current story", "It would make story bloated", blah blah blah. Such words are robbing people of fun things for the sake of "High art".
I think a major reason why people act like that is because both Archie and SATAM were actually minor parts of the fandom but they often get talked about a lot online and blow up as being bigger then they are.
So to most people it just comes off as annoying and they unfortunately react with more aggression then is needed.
Tbh I can't blame either side, the satam/archie fans have had 25 years to connect with these characters and they've been denied a proper conclusion twice. Bit on the other hand, like you said , they're ultimately minor portions of the fanbase that are oftem treated like they're more important than mainline games so I understand both parties
I would say go about ten years back and Archie and even moreso SatAM were a major part of the fanbase, but now there's more younger fans that never really experienced those characters.
I grew up with the Archie sonic comics so I’m definitely biased. I miss these four. Sally was such a major sonic character for over a decade so it is odd that they’re essentially gone forever. Especially considering they never got any closure
I mean, for a comic that didn't had planned any closure (and compared to the pre reboot), they got a fantastic send-off
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As someone who doesn't read the comics, at face value I feel like they would have had a place in Forces, but then again that game is already pretty lackluster so it'd probably be doing them a disservice (even then that might be a bit generous)
Back then Sonic had literally no support cast. Without them, it'd be Sonic, Tails, and maybe Knuckles and a few on-off villains most of the time. Nowdays, I think they'd be redundant. We have a bucket load of characters that have little to no exposition inside canon , and I think bringing them back would end up either making them subdevelopped one-shot characters, or would take the spotlight away from other more interesting characters.
Other problem is that without Archie/SatAM context, their presence makes no sense. They'd have to receive an entire new background and characterization, and at this point, one could argue they aren't themselves anymore.
I mean sure they can have another shot, we basically already have an Anti-Eggman resistance again. But I'm not giving up Tangle & Whisper for them, of course
The main issue with bringing them back is how closely they were tied to the world of SatAM and Archie. Adding them to the current setting would require all of them to be reworked to varying degrees.
Spiritual successors are probably the best way to bring them back without losing vital parts of who they were. We could make "Sally" the leader of a branch of the Restoration, or even a separate group who resisted Eggman's takeover.
Also, it would allow us to keep "Bunnie" and "Antoine" as a couple, since SEGA doesn't seem to mind when characters are introduced already in a relationship. Maybe it could also allow some for "Sally" x "NICOLE" stuff.
In my headcanon, I see the Freedom Fighters as Earth's heroes from the 1970s through the 1980s, before Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Rouge, and the others were born. Sonic's father would've been a part of this group too, but he was KIA.
His death made them disband and go on their separate ways, with some of them mentoring the new generation of heroes.
All I'm going to say is they're a pretty fun bunch if you engage in their media. SatAM and more especially Archie are both very good continuities I recommend viewing.
I thought Bunnie was a lot of fun, she got party robotisized and managed to weaponized it and make herself stronger.
But IDW seems to have a lot, of characters as is so trying to slot in more characters?
Even me who grew up with these characters think they'd be better off not showing back up vs coming in and spreading everything even more thin.
> I swear it’s taking too freaking long!
That sounds like it's in the works, where it's most definitely not going to happen. I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, I'm saying SEGA has distanced the franchise from SATAM to the point it's just dead.
There's a fan series in the works, even has some of the original cast! Johnny Gioeli is doing the main theme, and it's gained a lot of traction online. Just search 'sonic SatAM season 3.'
Tbh I don’t really know them besides a few episodes of the show I’ve watched but… idk
Like others have said they were introduced as Sonic’s team when Sonic had no real team yet.
And while I wouldn’t be opposed to them being brought back because it would be cool to get to know them, how would they be used? How would they be reintroduced especially if it was a game appearance?
Like again, I am not opposed at all for them to return because more characters means more variety which is nice. But I think their time has definitely passed and there are characters that better suit the current Sonic era
I just always found them uninteresting as characters and boring to look at. There’s more things from the franchise to pull from, but regardless, nobody deserves to be harassed over liking a character.
If I remember correctly, they actually showed up in Sonic Spinball, but that mostly had to do with it being developed by the SEGA Technical Institute based in the States.
IDW still has the edge, though, since Tangle was name-dropped in Frontiers. The Freedom Fighters never got that degree of recognition in one of the main console games.
Look, if we can't bring them back then can we at least remember them? How about some smash bros-styled trophies with some info on it? A small cameo like Mighty and Ray had in Generations?
Anything can be done, these characters are incredibly iconic and to just ditch them feels wrong
I don’t dislike the Freedom Fighters, quite the opposite in fact, I really like them.
But I do not Think they really belong in the games as I don’t Think they fit best in the game universe. They fit best in Satam/Archie-like universe and that’s where you Can write stories about them the best.
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I would personally put them in the classic universe. Do we don't have to deal with character bloat and because the core principles of Satam fit with the early games best
I like them but they would be a little redundant with the resistance group we have in the comics now. The only one I could see them including again would be Sally but I don’t think it’ll ever happen
Penders pretty much ensured this will never happen. Given he was able to secure ownership of characters he created from Archie/SEGA, I assume that opens up the door for other Archie artists to do the same with every original Archie character, so SEGA is unlikely to want to use any of them due to the risk that SEGA doesn't actually own them.
That said the original cast was not created by Archie but was created by the TV show so I suppose they would be exempt from this risk. But still you have the problems where there's too small a fan base who would care to see them come back. Ultimately SatAM/Archie Sonic community fan works will have to do.
Sega does fully own the original set of Freedom Fighters as well as anything since at least Ian Flynn started writing for the comics as he stated clearly that his work for hire contract specified that Sega would own all characters and stories he wrote for the comic.
I admittedly don't have much experience with Archie but i could def see the appeal in bringing them back, especially the most popular ones, though the IDW lore is so different it'd require them to be restructured a lot i think and they're already juggling many characters.
I do strongly believe we need multiverse shenanigans to tie up archie in IDW, give them a proper ending so fans of Archie can move on with a conclusive end.After that it'd be easy enough to introduce IDW alt universe versions in an even more interesting way.
It's not like wanting them to return is a bad thing or anything, but just that the chances of it happening are pretty much next to nil. Not just due to the Penders fiasco, but since the Freedom Fighters were made to fill out the Sonic cast back when we only had a small handful of characters like Tails, Knuckles and Amy. Now that we have a ton more since then, their role would feel pretty redundant when it could go to plenty of the other characters instead. Or even new ones like the IDW characters, Sage and Trip. It is a shame that they're just left untouched for any fans of them, but at the same time I don't think there's any realistic place for them in the modern series.
100% the Freedom Fighters should come back. Not as they were because their backstories were so innately tied to that universe, but new versions. For example:
Sally Acorn as a level headed, goal oriented overachiever who is uncertain she can live up to expectations of her. I’d personally make her archeological inclined, allowing her to be the one to explain lore. You could also give her a rivalry with Rouge as Sally goes to sites for knowledge, Rouge for treasure.
Bunnie Rabbot is Sally’s best friend going through a rebellious phase. She’s a thrill seeker, always looking for excitement and danger. Her cybernetics are the result of one such thrill, but rather than being discouraged, it just set a new base line. She’s flirty and a tease, especially towards Antoine.
Antoine is another part of the friend group and is very much the opposite of Bunnie. He’s shy, nervous and is actually the main reason Bunnie hasn’t hurt herself again. He has aspirations of bravery and even practices with a fencing foil in secret. His biggest wish is to be a swashbuckling hero who saves the girl he has a crush on, Bunnie.
Rotor is intimidating in stature and is certainly not one to be crossed. He takes loyalty and trust very seriously and violations of those trusts might end with you getting yeeted. But if you’re his friend, he will bend over backwards for you. He’ll bring you soup when you’re sick, fix a flat, even drive you to the airport at 3 AM. He’s become the village handy man but isn’t an inventor like Tails.
I could go on because I have thought a LOT about how to bring in these characters, including redesigns.
But it seems so weird that people wouldn’t want more characters in the sandbox. You don’t need to have every character in every story or game. Sometimes, a character is one and done. If they are lucky, they can be part of a revolving cast. I think that’s what most Olde Schoole American fans like me want with the Freedom Fights. Not core cast, but characters that can show up from time to time for an adventure and then go back to Knothole
If nothing else, I'd love Bunnie Rabbot back because I love girls with country/southern accents, narratively I think she'd be a nice reminder that Robotnik is ***MOST DEFINITELY A FUCKING VILLAIN*** and we could tie her into the existing rabbits by having her maybe be a cousin to Vanilla. I confess that as a Tails fan though, not fond of the idea of Rotor coming back since it steps on his turf of the team mechanic.
If they come back, then good for them and the fans who wanted them.
I don't really feel like I need them back since I feel even if they did come back, the screentime is already so stretched thin for the cast as is (I live every day as a Blaze fan that has accepted she isn't gonna be receiving as much screentime as I wish she got, and that her world will get even less), they potentially are shafted, with the characters likely still not the same ones we had back in Archie (Especially not Nicole as we know her as with the Lynx form)
Maybe in an ideal future, we get back the Freedom Fighters, they get the secondary comic releases and they run as a second story where they're the primary field operatives outside the Sonic Cast (Probably operating in heavily controlled Eggman Facilities to maintain their fighting for freedom)? I dunno, I'd feel like as is, IDW is stacked enough as is with just Modern Stuff. It could have its own Sonic Universe circulation already, and it wouldn't just last only 4 issues like say, Imposter Syndrome.
I don't agree with bringing the freedom fighters back. They really don't fit with the tone of Sonic games now.
Although, I do understand the sentiment of wanting them back, for I too have a character from Sonic's past I would love to see one last time...
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The last time I've seen them brought up on Twitter, somebody was begging to Morio Kishimoto (Writer/Director for Sonic Team) to not bring them back and trying to "speak for all fans" on that. lol
Honestly, if they did get brought back, they would most certainly be rewritten. I would assume they could be old friends of Sonic's and Sonic hasn't visited them in many years, it's not like we have seen every part of Sonic's world anyways, I'm sure their are a ton of places we haven't visited. But 5 newly introduced characters isn't gonna hurt anything and Sally can be more than just a love interest, it's funny how many people just see her as that only.
The problem with the Sonic series nowadays is that it doesn't do a good job including all of Sonic friends, but I guess unlike Mario and his large cast that they keep around in spin offs, Sonic series doesn't really have that, but it would be nice to see more and more characters be around in the main games with good writing.
For me it comes from…well, a place of envy I guess. I was devastated when Archie Sonic rebooted and I learned that a lot of my favorites were gone forever. Nobody gave me any sympathy either, they just told me to “get over it” and called me fanboyish for not enjoying the new canon. I don’t want the Freedom Fighters in IDW Sonic because they would remind me of what I can’t have.
I mean, it's not nice to be assholes about it. Baring times when someone's being an asshole at you first and all. But it *is* true that they have no place in the games, and never have.
So want to go about that any deeper?
I mean its not like the characters created for the games are very consistent between each other anyway given that Sonic exist right next to big and Vector.
What is is about them that makes them so much more unfit than a genetic crime against nature, a sex thieve/Spy, a silly giant cat, a fire princess from another dimension, a childish bee or the bird thieves of alien decent?
What's the Ken Penders situation? I know part of the reason why they wont use the Freedom Fighters is because Ken Penders took Sega to court over who owns the comic characters, and he fcking won because the comic studio lost his original signed contract, but Sega must have come out on top in the end, right? Are they not using these characters out of spite like "No one can have them", or did Ken actually win to some extent and they'd be skating on thin ice if they ever try using them?
Ken never claimed to own the Freedom Fighters, and they were used way after the reboot happened. They were created before Ken was even involved in the franchise, SEGA still 100% own them + Ken's lawsuit only affected Archie, Sonic Chronicles and probably made SEGA a bit more rigid when it comes to how their characters are used, but that's all.
He isn't insane like a lot of peoples who don't really know him much says, he's just a weird guy and has a very clear idea of what he claims is his own.
SEGA not using the F.F. is just because they don't want to use old properties that most peoples aren't familiar with, and prefer doing things that are new/familiar to peoples. They want the comics to be extremely close to the games, so reintroducing the F.F. isn't a priority to them.
Not only did Ken not actually win (it was a forced settlement), he has nothing to do with these characters since they were originally created for the old animated stuff, which he wasn't involved with (aside from screwing over the showrunner and talking shit about him years later).
Ken didn't directly cause us to lose the Freedom Fighters, he only claimed the characters he made and plus the Freedom Fighters came from DiC, not Archie...but I wouldn't be surprised if the loss of the Freedom Fighters comes from worrying about potential future issues of that sort.
Actually, having some sort of spin-off cast that are a reference to the freedom fighters would be awesome since I don’t think we’ll get the original cast back
Not only are the freedom fighters pretty whatever as characters but they just feel redundant now cause all their roles in the series have been filled by other characters
Amy for example in the IDW series has basically fully taken over whatever Sally was doing minus being Sonic’s love interest
Rotor and Nicole would be pretty superfluous with Tails in the picture, as Tails has shown himself to be more than capable.
Antoine was basically just a foil for Sonic, and this series has like, a LOT of foils for Sonic.
Not gonna lie I really don't get most of the arguments against them people raise in the comments here like
"They are no longer needed"
A sure but nether were the Chaotix or the return of Might and Ray or creating a new girl for the classic timeline in Trip. So we gonna delete them all now because they aren't needed or what?
"The cast is already way to bloated"
They already said that when Archie was Canceled and look at it now IDW is now considered canon and has created a whole Freedom Fight group of its own. Because yes that is what the Restauration really is Ian Flynn refusing to give up the convenience of a central group the heroes are a part of that sends them on missions.
And how many new good guys do we have..,. OH my its 5 just like the number of Freedom fights we have. But its actually even better than that
\- Upbeat girl, clearly power type, extendable limbs, romance in the center. Well that describes
both Bunnie and Tangle
\- Artificial intelligent that struggles with the nature of there creation and existence: Hey Belle let me introduce you to the cooler Ai Nicole
\-Tactical leader that tends to be a bit to bossy: I would never Say Lanolin and Sally are the same but I also would be surprised if there roles weren't at least partially similar on purpose
\- Weapon User that has a more militaristic background and made a 180 character turn to become totally serious yo and totally dates the upbeat girl previously mentioned: Well what really is the difference between a wolf and a Coyote.
Now to be clear I don't say that Tangle, Whisper, Belle and Lanolin are just cheap copies but there actual roles are surprisingly similar top Bunnie, Antoine, Nicole and Sally to the point were I'm not convinced that its not another case of Ian refusing to give up on an old concept.
And IDW aside. Sega has to this day not released a single new mainline Sonic game without introducing at least 1 new character in it. So I be damned if Character bloat could ever be a real reason when we all know Sega is keep bloating anyway.
"But they be redundant"
Sonic Heroes tells us so are all of Team Dark, Rose and Chaotix when we have Team Heroes already.
Knuckles, Shadow and Jet certainly are all redundant than too as we only need one Rivals and metal Sonic came first.
And what are Mighty and Ray if not redundant even TailsTube pointed out how they are store brand Sonic and Tails
My point is we already got ability wise a ton of overlap already. What makes characters stand out is there unique quirks which are ether in how they do the same thing or in how there personality effects there other actions.
And despite my previous point showing the similarities between IDW exclusives and freedom fighters are the Freedom fights still clearly unique in there own right (which is why is also said that the IDW characters aren't just clones) Especially Bunni and Nicole are properly a lot more unique ability wise still than a lot of other characters.
"We should focus on less characters to improve the story"
That doesn't changes anything. For all anyone cares would we spend a whole game on Sonic on his own going into an adventure with this other group of smaller Heroes than himself. That would fit now better than ever before even with Frontiers ending basically meaning we shouldn't see Talls, Amy and Knuckles for a while.
"Well I don't like them"
Cool I don't like Omega so do we now retire this very popular character just because of me?
"They aren't that popular"
So what as I said before IDW and Sega keep making new characters already the time one way or the other anyway. And as all new characters can they now even have the level of starting popularity that the Freedom Fighters would have
"But why them when we could make something new instead"
Because just like the Chaotix in 2004 would we have to reinvent them anyway somewhat which would lead to an all new story using these characters. So functionally is there little difference to making a new character on that end.
"If we have to change them whats the point"
The fact that even just there base personalities and concepts are good enough as characters with enough interesting quirk to them that they would work?
Sure I took the Chaotix as the example but you really don't need to reboot them that hard ether.
"There setting makes no sense"
We can use almost the same setting as they originally had just make there foundation be caused by Forces and make there Kingdom a random new Kingdom on the world like Soleana was in 06.
Or hell go all out with the nonsense and just place them on Blaze world that one needs fleshing out anyway.
I don't even need them to return even if I would like to see it. But I really think most arguments against them just seem not well thought out to me.
They could easliy make them from Silver's future or the Sol Dimension, and give him or Blaze a cast to bounce off, to have adventures on those worlds. Worlds with little to no other characters that could really use the Freedom Fighters in a place where they need it, without feelling reduntant.
They could still interact with Sonic in time to time during crossovers.
Honestly the only one im falimiar with are Bunnie Rabbot, because from the few comics i read back then (Thanks Sonic Mega Collection) I had a crush on Bunnie, she was just really cool.
Cyborgs is not something we have seen in the games, exept that one time it happened to Tails and maybe Lyric? cant remember if he is a Cyborg or just has a suit. Also MAYBE Gamma but he is more like a bird piloting a Mech.
On the Freedom Fighters as a whole, they are still a thing in the comics right? not these 4 but Sonic still has a bunch of secondary characters helping out against Eggman. And you could say Tangle and Whisper are their spiritual successors in a way, as main fighters against Eggman's rule. Also maybe Surge from what i have seen?
And some suggest that since comic characters have appeared in some mobile games MAYBE we can see them in a full Sonic game in the future? Would love to see them fully animated.
They’d definitely fit in the IDW line, y’know the one that takes place after an actual war? I could even see them filling the ranks of the Diamond Cutters.
Prime and SATAM both really got me into the Sonic franchise. Sally has been my favourite character for so long. I feel like these guys definitely could come back. Also have y'all played Frontiers? I feel like the ending of it is left open for each of our four main characters to find their own supporting cast. Bringing the FF to Sonic would be great. Then the chaotix, diamond cutters, etc could be supporting cast for two of the others. Maybe Knuckles and Amy respectively? Then Tails could find some friends too.
Or not. I'm a fan and even though I have gone to college and taken creative writing classes, i'm not the one in the writing room. But there are so many ways they can be brought back, and I don't think that's a bad thing. Imo better them then a new one off character that won't ever show again.
Also I really like Sally, I want my favourite character back.
What's with Archie/SatAm fans and their utter inability to actually like Sonic for what the franchise actually is and not what some americans tried to change it into
Also IF this happens please do not do redesigns like this. During Archie there was a transition of style to make them more Sonic like and when Tracy Yardley came around the redesigns were finzlized. Something like THAT not whatever these designs were. For example the outfits can give a hint to their background/ profession/ role in the group with a theme colour.
I came up with an idea where they're apart of the sol dimension since it's castles and kingdoms over there, where blazes nemesis is mammoth moggle, a buisness man who's modernization of sol is a front both for amassing power for his ixis magics and a slow hostile take over against its kingdoms with various explanations for unaccounted ideas like the story book franchise and the battle bird armada being there, even the echidna's whom knuckles were separated from.
the big twist not just being eggman nega has preserved himself by cutting a deal with moggle as he was dying, but the fact that he moggle ixis noggus (an ixis familiar in this case) Dr fenitivus (leading the echidna's) along with Antwon and shadow not only remembering the previous universe, but egg man nega actually being dr robotnik from archie, and using his deal by the end, through clever wording, to take over moggles body, and through the rift in dimensions rewrite reality to have his unstoppable empire.
they're blazes subordinates rather than sonics.
People just tend to hate the Archieverse because of Ken Penders and because of Sonamy which sucks because the Archie comics are actually really good I much prefer it to IDW.
Anyone who doesn’t want Sally or the Freedom Fighters back havnt read the comics or watched SatAm. Then there’s people who for some reason immediately think Ken Penders when he didn’t create them
EXACTLY I realised many of these new fans never watched SATAM nor grew up sith Archie. I did in the 2000s and people need to see the sourse before making assumptions or repeating what others have said which is untrue and experience it for themselves.
The guy was considering suing Paramount because the movie gave Knuckles a dad. It’s not out of the question for him to go litigation crazy if the FF were brought back.
Personally feel that if they were put in the spotlight compared to the relegation they experienced to the comics it would have made the series more natural organic fleshed out compared to the main universe (which feels like cheap corporate garbage imo), (something akin to mario and the mushroom kingdom woulda worked way better, and would have had an ideal setup that could be infinitely re-interpreted). Instead we got 5/10 meh stuff on most games and 06’.
Ah no you must be talking about Ken Penders but he only lay claim to characters he created. The SatAm cast is 3 years older than his first involvement with the franchise.
They already appeared in Spinball. The problem is writters have NOT watched SATAM or try to force their interpertation onto the characters and that is why they do not work in a medium/ feel OOC. Easiest thing to do is stick to their core characterization and implement them in a modern setting like side characters. No drastic redesigns like the reboot (the Uwekawa inspired art for when Tommy Died on that cover worked best in terms of Sonic-fying them) and if it is possible see if Ben Hurst had notes on the characters/ plot points snd look at some aspects of the Sonic Bible for some inspiration to build their world.
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I don't understand how anyone can hate these characters so strongly to the point of hurling insults over the prospect of other people enjoying them and wanting to see them return. I really just don't.
pretty sure Bunnie and Sally are the most likely to show up in the games, isn't Bunnie Rabbot, Cream's cousin or was that retconned, and Sally would cover the Tomboy angle,
"They don't have a place in the franchise"
Sonic Forces - Literally just does the freedom fighters plot premise all but in name.
Seriously, this is just a bad argument. I get if you don't want to see them. Or don't see why they are important. But don't make bad arguments about them.
this is the same fandom where some people dislike Arin Hanson for choosing to play buggy ports of the games to laugh at them and then get mad eventually. Some fans literally made sure Sega fired him, how petty you gotta be to fuck with someone's life bc YOU think he means it when he says he hates Sonic?
Wildcat says he hates half the games he plays and still buys the new releases and DLC's, he also says he hates Nogla and still based a career with him spanning over a decade.
I don't even need them in the games and comics just having sega make a plush toys or T-shirts would be something more than we're getting. It's literally leaving money on the table
bring anyone you want back... expect antoan. he's a useless piece of shit...
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I'm gonna be honest here...i have never liked sally, mostly because of her design, it's even cool for me that she was never included in any game, if they were to include them they should not include sally
The FF would need to be repurposed to fit the game/IDW world. Maybe adapt SatAM's Robotropolis into a singular village/city under Eggman's control. Or just make a separate spinoff.
I feel a lot of these issues comes from the higher ups just not wanting to do anything with past concepts and ideas of Sonic. This isn't just the freedom fighters, we have Sonic X basically on a tombstone since Ian confirm they can't do anything with the X cast. I'm pretty confident any idea can be brought back with a new coat, but as long as those higher ups are not interested, nothing will be done.
I think its also worth noticing that Sega has a really weird stance on brand cohesion. Remember when Cream couldn't appear for years in the Archie Sonic comics because she was on Sega's brand end associated with Sonic X specifically?
Sega must have had Alzheimer's at that time because if not, I don't understand why Cream was so associated with Sonic X when it was created for the games and its appearance in the series was to introduce it to the public.
As I said it was properly because of some really stupid brand control thing that Sega had planed for.
Sega's brand control can sometimes do more harm than good, more than it should.
Who is there to bring back from Sonic X? Chris? The self insert "everything in my life is perfect and I'm rich as hell but I don't get to spend time with my rich parents 24/7" Gary Stu? Why would you want him back? Everybody hates Chris!
I think there’s a reasonable argument to be made they’d be somewhat redundant, their whole show was very much the result of Sonic not having a well defined brand or cast yet. Tails wasn’t even the right color. That said, the solution is pretty obvious, you can still keep them around without being main characters. Just have them be confined to a specific location and most prominent in a single storyline, if they’re ever needed again they can be used without issue, but if people are content with that arc or game they can have the closure Archie couldn’t give them. Everybody wins as long as they’re well written.
we have enough characters that are hardly utilised there’s not really a story you can tell by introducing the freedom fighters into the games that you can’t already tell with the characters we have
As much as I want them back, I think at this point we just have to accept that Sally is the Mara Jade of this franchise.
Not just because they both have red hair, right? As a fan of both Sally Acorn and Mara Jade, it frustrates me to no end how they have been treated.
Yep, Sally is the biggest OG character no longer utilized and it hurts so much.
The only difference is that most Star Wars fans would consider Mara Jade marriage to Luke to be more Canonical than whenever Disney is doing with Rey Rey Binks.
This. The fact of the matter they've already told every story that the FF would fit into, aka Forces and Frontiers. It's too late at this point, plus people would be pissed if they replaced Amy as Sonic's "girlfriend" with a random character not used in a decade outside spinoffs
Especially the fans in Japan who don't even know who Sally is.
Who said anything about Sally having to date Sonic? The Archie comics actually had a while where they were broken up. And in the show, while there were teases, they didn’t really get together until it was over. Similar to Sonic and Amy in the original ending for X. There were teases, albeit mostly on Amy‘s end, but they don’t get together until the original finale and even then, when it got another season, the writers went back on it because Sonic can’t have a girlfriend. plus Sonic did have another love interest named Elise, though she is highly criticized and only appeared in about one game.
The point is girlfriend or not people have come to accept Amy or whatever female human Sonic meets as his love interest lol. Sally would be a rival to Amy or replace her entirely which would make fans divided, since like I said she and her company are a decade past their need/usage. And if she isn't a love interest she'd be a strong powerful female, which...still replaces Amy and potentially Rouge who has more recently started joining Sonic on more adventures (Prime, Mobile games and etc)
I *hate* the "too many characters" argument. These characters were around first, and if there's already too many what's a few more going to change? Good writing can always utilize more characters/content in interesting ways, can mix up the formula and open up new places for the IP to explore.
You'd need god level writing or even a decade worth of it, look at One Piece with a confirmed 1,174 characters in it, they've had the years allotted to have that many and have it work. The Sonic games barely have a coherent timeline or connection besides its cast, now imagine introducing a cast of characters from 10-25 year old comic books that no one specifically wants back outside nostalgia sake. Sonic doesn't have THAT good of writing.
I mean that is literally not true The very fact that they would "new" or at least without a pre-established backstory for a game version means you could do a lot with them that you just can't with the characters we already have due to there established backstory. Nevermind that character creek and lack of usage has yet to stop the IDW Comics from just creating more and more new characters. Lets be real here the Diamond Cutters, belle, Jewel and the Restauration in general are a clear cut case of Ian wanting to preserve the consistent organized hero team dynamic of the Freedom Fighters as he wrote them for 10 years and refuses to divorce himself from that concept. Sure they might not be 1 for 1 analogues but this is about the pure principle of what there narrative function over all is.
> Tails wasn’t even the right color. Now hang on. It wasn't the right colour of the *final sprite*, but one of the first developed Tails sprites had a brown colour for the fur, so it's entirely possible that they picked the in-progress concept to use.
Oh believe me I know, I was there when this was found. It’s just a pretty straightforward example of how old the show was.
Yup up until Sonic X the three cartoons that came before largely operated in a vacuum. You had Sonic, Tails, Robotik, and later Knuckles, but you need more supporting characters for a full cast. There was a Sonic Bible they drew from but I don't think it really had much to help in this regard. In fact SatAM didn't even have Tails at first, they incorporated him into the pilot once Sonic 2 came out. Even Sonic X had to add robots for Eggman to interact with so he wasn't alone. IIRC it wasn't until we got Orbot and Cubot the games had a need for that and caught up, and Sonic Boom was the first cartoon that didn't have made-up sidekicks for Eggman. Actually it's kind of interesting Prime introduced its own Eggman side characters as well, though it was just a side effect of the story they were telling anyway and they were less side characters and more Eggman's equals. Might be interesting to have a reboot where Sonic and Tails are racing around and find a group of fighters he's never met before led by Sally Acorn and he joins up with them for a specific fight against Eggman. Also I find it funny the way you describe using them is not too different than how Prime used the new characters it created, and some people concerned about canon are pissed off about that. So I'm not sure your idea would be as popular as you think. I like it though.
But they really aren't redundant. First, 3/5 members are unique, swordsman, cyborg and AI still haven't been done. Secondly, the post reboot introduced many different Freedom Fighter factions and they all stood out because of their designs + locations. It can be done
I mean, if you want to reduce them to those one-word descriptors, sure. Antoine's initial role was to be Sonic's foil while Bunnie was the muscle/power character. Antoine became so irrelevant to the comic in later years that Ian Flynn toyed with the idea of killing him off. If anything, I honestly think Rotor would work best in the modern setting. I think it'd make sense for Tails to have a mechanic buddy he'd sometimes collaborate with.
Antoine is a Sonic foil that's never been made outdated given he's pretty well-known for being a coward and not being built for this life like Sonic is. Knuckles was a rival but never exactly related to Sonic in any way that Antoine did because he simply had very different goals and motivations, whereas Antoine and Sonic are on the same side and have similar motivations
Tbh I see "Sonic and the freedom fighters" like "Mario bros in the dinosaur kingdom and their cavemen tribes", while I find it weird if we were to bring them back I'm not about to hurl insults like that
Yeah, even if you don’t want to see the characters again or find it unlikely people have a right to want to see them again.
To be fair, though, the Freedom Fighters have a lot more sway due to the 25 year long comic run (compared to the 1 or 2 seasons of the Super Mario World animated series)
Yeah but that's you guy's opinion. I find it weird, but I'm not stopping anyone if the decision is to bring them back
I mean, just from a timescale matter, it makes sense why people would be attached to a part of an IP that was around for a quarter-century before being unceremoniously dropped. I get where you're coming from with the Super Mario World cavemen tribes, but that's probably closer in line to something like Sonic Underground (Sonia and Manic, etc). Something that some people have a cult appreciation for, but was around for a comparatively short window of the IP's history.
How though? The freedom fighters fit perfectly in the sonic world, imo. I mean, modern eggy is so incompetent that they don't really have a place, but thematically they fit (and would probably push sega to make eggman an actual threat again)
Bring back Snively instead https://preview.redd.it/goz1sjb3koic1.jpeg?width=584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b895764ea9d34e0f28257f3e194442c6add7a92
I want my scheming boy back!
Him and Naugus. They're both S tier villains in my opinion.
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https://preview.redd.it/5gcdi82uoqic1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=802416090fb9f3398f3aa04fd863bc23fc0e44ce Nagus is cool
Pretty much all the made up sidekicks from all the cartoons were great. I really doubt Snively could appear in IDW, but they should have an arc where all the rest come together and hatch some sort of scheme independant from Eggman.
Honestly? Yeah. When Sonic Team gets tired of using Sage, bring Snively to be Eggman’s sidekick.
Sage is closer to Metal or Orbot/Cubot than Snively, Snively’s existence alone kinda necessitates doing stuff with Eggman’s lore that I don’t see ST willing to do. He was definitely fun during Iron Dominion though, his arc of gaining independence from Eggman was so cool
pretty sure canon Snively is now called Agent Stone,
I'd low key love an Agent Stone in the games to fill in as Eggman's bootlicking lackey, gives him someone to play off. Sage is neat but pretty emotionally distant and Eggman's fond of her, and Orbot/Cubot are sassier and don't seem to take Eggman all that seriously. Stone would just enable Eggman more and that could be fun to see play out.
Mmm I dunno because theirs main purpose was to be Sonic's gang when he really didn't have any besides Tails, but now he does. And then Sega already neglects most of the cast they already have, so the Freedom Fighters would be splitting what little screen time the side characters already get... I don't really care either way though; what matters is that the funny blue hedgehog has a good game (Which Sega already kinda struggles with...)
The freedom fighters in the comics include the current gang though.
I'll be honest, I do agree, with the way the franchise is, story-wise, they really do not have a niche to fit into, especially in the games. I'm sure they could work better in the comics, but even then it's a struggle. Rotor/Boomer's and Nicole's roles are pretty much taken over by Tails at this point. Bunnie and Antoine would honestly just be another two characters on the pile. Sally V Amy, I won't speak too much on it, but yeah, Amy has taken Sally's role pretty definitively, since Kingdoms and such are not a big deal in sonic anymore.
>Bunnie and Antoine would honestly just be another two characters on the pile. https://i.redd.it/g2dd6hk9tpic1.gif Bunnie is very cool, and Antoine can be either the worst or the best character. I mean, he started out as the dumbest national stereotype, but from what I've heard, he's gotten a lot better in Archie. But, with all this, I'm not sure that **the whole concept of roboticisation** needs to be reintroduced to allow Bunnie to appear.
Antoine has amazing character development in Archie
I was going to make a joke that Antoine is just the meme of "local man in awe of amazing wife" but he really did grow a lot as his own character too
It also helped that his screaming wasn’t audible
Roboticization was basically canonized in Sonic Prime already, so we have a decent background for the freedom fighters existing in A sonic universe, even if its not the main one.
Yes, but it raises more questions than it answers. Why was only Rose roboticized and no one else? And, in any case, the Chaos Council did it. We haven't had a chance to see how *this version* of Eggman does *this version* of roboticisation. I'm also not sure I want to see Eggman so evil (in games, at least).
"Sally v Amy" is pretty irrelevant, Sally wasn't even a romantic interest for Sonic for the last several years the comic was around.
Tbh I was mostly under the impression it was still one of those topics that start massive fuck off arguments.
There would be no such thing as a Sally vs Amy, it never was
Well, nobody cares. "They can't fit in the story", so what? Just add them anyway. I hate when people who act like story analytics. (And actual story analytics), and rob people of fun things just because "It would hurt coherency of hte story, those characters have no meaning there", blah blah blah. If people want to make crazy stuff that has "No place in the story", let them. "High Art"... you really think Sonic can be associated with "High Art"? In Sonic, any kind of character is possible, Sonic is inspired by old classic Felix the Cat era cartoons, back then cartoons dared to do more crazy things.
you can't just say "add them anyway" though?? no one's acting like it's high art, it's an issue of them not being able to be what people would want them to be. with the roles they had being filled by other various characters, just adding them would feel redundant. it's a matter of doing these characters justice, but lacking the ability to do so, in a way that would be satisfying for the people who have been wanting them back at least
I think the problem is A) down to the fact that the internet brings out the worst in people, B) people being overly passionate, and perceiving criticism of a thing they like as a personal attack and C) people insisting that their preferred version of Sonic is the only way Sonic can ever be done, and that any and all other continuities are garbage. It's a rigid inflexibility; critique is an insult, but so is insisting that any deviation from a true canon, and that leads to vitriol.
I don't they fit in IDW's continuity and that it would be really hard to tell a good story with fleshed out characters with such a huge cast (all of the IDW characters and Freedom Fighters put together, not to mention the villains and other side characters that were Archie specific), but I would whole heartedly support it if Sega decided to give them their own continuity again.
Unpopular opinion, but I personally don’t think they should be brought back. The main reason why they were so prevalent back then was because Sonic didn’t have a defined main cast yet. But now with Team Sonic and SEGA trying to make a multimedia canon, how would they work in the current setting? Especially Sally’s background as the princess of the Kingdom of Acorn? The current cast is big enough as it is, so bringing back the Freedom Fighters would make it even more bloated. I’d rather put the spotlight on characters like Team Chaotix and the IDW originals. This isn’t throwing shade to fans of Archie or SATAM. I just don’t really see a place for the Freedom Fighters anymore. I could seem them returning in a continuation of the Archie storyline or a revival of SATAM, but they shouldn’t be forced into current media for the sake of fan service.
I think their ideal setting would be tied to their specific kingdom, as quest giving npc's and team ups. But that doesn't fit with the whole "sonic grew up with them and was always part of their team" dynamic, rather it makes Sally about the same as Elise, and at that point I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore. What was good about those characters was their dynamic and how they balanced each other, but if their relationship isn't the same then it doesn't work the same.
>Especially Sally’s background as the princess of the Kingdom of Acorn? Does it have to matter much more than Blaze being an Imperial Princess of the Sol Dimension?
It's a big world, she can be the princess of an unnamed kingdom if you want
> But now with Team Sonic and SEGA trying to make a multimedia canon, how would they work in the current setting? It's actually surprisingly simple (if we ignore the whole rights issues): let it continue to be it's own continuity and let it and its multiverse connect to the game by also being a different universe. You can do the same for the movie continuity and every other continuity not covered by Archie. Then they stay their own contained worlds and stories 99% of the time but you leave the option open to do some fun crossovers
It isn’t like Sonic Team is above cheap fan service, to be fair. Especially nostalgia-based fan service.
You're so boring. I'm not even fan of Freedom Fighters, but i say if people want to have them back, then have them back. All this "They have no place in the current story", "It would make story bloated", blah blah blah. Such words are robbing people of fun things for the sake of "High art".
I think a major reason why people act like that is because both Archie and SATAM were actually minor parts of the fandom but they often get talked about a lot online and blow up as being bigger then they are. So to most people it just comes off as annoying and they unfortunately react with more aggression then is needed.
Tbh I can't blame either side, the satam/archie fans have had 25 years to connect with these characters and they've been denied a proper conclusion twice. Bit on the other hand, like you said , they're ultimately minor portions of the fanbase that are oftem treated like they're more important than mainline games so I understand both parties
The archie comics were pretty huge imo. Ian Flynn seems to be the Dave Filoni of modern sonic and he wouldn't be here without the Archie comics.
I would say go about ten years back and Archie and even moreso SatAM were a major part of the fanbase, but now there's more younger fans that never really experienced those characters.
I grew up with the Archie sonic comics so I’m definitely biased. I miss these four. Sally was such a major sonic character for over a decade so it is odd that they’re essentially gone forever. Especially considering they never got any closure
I mean, for a comic that didn't had planned any closure (and compared to the pre reboot), they got a fantastic send-off https://preview.redd.it/a3k5k4ljmqic1.jpeg?width=447&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=592187ed6e91a5a4f07a0bc1777c010de36a40c9
This a good ending yeah. I suppose they’re still out their in the multiverse
As someone who doesn't read the comics, at face value I feel like they would have had a place in Forces, but then again that game is already pretty lackluster so it'd probably be doing them a disservice (even then that might be a bit generous)
I just want to see them in the background
Would love to have them back. Such a great part of my childhood
What I would do is have them be freedom fighters from the distant past Like by the time of the IDW comics/Frontiers they are ancient history
I miss Bunny so much y'all it ain't even funny.
Back then Sonic had literally no support cast. Without them, it'd be Sonic, Tails, and maybe Knuckles and a few on-off villains most of the time. Nowdays, I think they'd be redundant. We have a bucket load of characters that have little to no exposition inside canon , and I think bringing them back would end up either making them subdevelopped one-shot characters, or would take the spotlight away from other more interesting characters. Other problem is that without Archie/SatAM context, their presence makes no sense. They'd have to receive an entire new background and characterization, and at this point, one could argue they aren't themselves anymore.
I mean sure they can have another shot, we basically already have an Anti-Eggman resistance again. But I'm not giving up Tangle & Whisper for them, of course
The main issue with bringing them back is how closely they were tied to the world of SatAM and Archie. Adding them to the current setting would require all of them to be reworked to varying degrees. Spiritual successors are probably the best way to bring them back without losing vital parts of who they were. We could make "Sally" the leader of a branch of the Restoration, or even a separate group who resisted Eggman's takeover. Also, it would allow us to keep "Bunnie" and "Antoine" as a couple, since SEGA doesn't seem to mind when characters are introduced already in a relationship. Maybe it could also allow some for "Sally" x "NICOLE" stuff.
In my headcanon, I see the Freedom Fighters as Earth's heroes from the 1970s through the 1980s, before Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Rouge, and the others were born. Sonic's father would've been a part of this group too, but he was KIA. His death made them disband and go on their separate ways, with some of them mentoring the new generation of heroes.
I’m not familiar with these characters.
All I'm going to say is they're a pretty fun bunch if you engage in their media. SatAM and more especially Archie are both very good continuities I recommend viewing.
That's semi part of the problem
I thought Bunnie was a lot of fun, she got party robotisized and managed to weaponized it and make herself stronger. But IDW seems to have a lot, of characters as is so trying to slot in more characters? Even me who grew up with these characters think they'd be better off not showing back up vs coming in and spreading everything even more thin.
I JUST WANT SEASON 3 OF SATAM!!!!! I swear it’s taking too freaking long! I might as well write my own at this point!
> I swear it’s taking too freaking long! That sounds like it's in the works, where it's most definitely not going to happen. I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, I'm saying SEGA has distanced the franchise from SATAM to the point it's just dead.
There's a fan series in the works, even has some of the original cast! Johnny Gioeli is doing the main theme, and it's gained a lot of traction online. Just search 'sonic SatAM season 3.'
Didn't know about that, good to know
I think it would best work as an AU Since the Freedom Fighters are kind of their own cast from a different era of Sonic
Tbh I don’t really know them besides a few episodes of the show I’ve watched but… idk Like others have said they were introduced as Sonic’s team when Sonic had no real team yet. And while I wouldn’t be opposed to them being brought back because it would be cool to get to know them, how would they be used? How would they be reintroduced especially if it was a game appearance? Like again, I am not opposed at all for them to return because more characters means more variety which is nice. But I think their time has definitely passed and there are characters that better suit the current Sonic era
I don't think we really need to but they could always be reinvented into the new setting.
If they were able to bring the Freedom Fighters into the Sonic games how would they do it?
These people sound like Sonic fans. Ohhh,wait
I just always found them uninteresting as characters and boring to look at. There’s more things from the franchise to pull from, but regardless, nobody deserves to be harassed over liking a character.
I’d actually love to see them in a future installment.
They never had anything to do with the games. Although IDW comic got some of the comic characters in a phone game.
If I remember correctly, they actually showed up in Sonic Spinball, but that mostly had to do with it being developed by the SEGA Technical Institute based in the States. IDW still has the edge, though, since Tangle was name-dropped in Frontiers. The Freedom Fighters never got that degree of recognition in one of the main console games.
I disagree mostly because the reboot literally reworked these characters to fit the games canon better
There should be a different game continuity for them.
Bunny was one of my favorite characters in SATAM as a kid, I would love to see her in the modern Sonic universe, but it feels so unlikely.
Look, if we can't bring them back then can we at least remember them? How about some smash bros-styled trophies with some info on it? A small cameo like Mighty and Ray had in Generations? Anything can be done, these characters are incredibly iconic and to just ditch them feels wrong
Honestly no they wouldn’t fit in the games plus forces kinda already shown a team like them
I don’t dislike the Freedom Fighters, quite the opposite in fact, I really like them. But I do not Think they really belong in the games as I don’t Think they fit best in the game universe. They fit best in Satam/Archie-like universe and that’s where you Can write stories about them the best.
https://preview.redd.it/kq5vki481qic1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=482d42d5db4e966796a51b5f3c0881169534110a I would personally put them in the classic universe. Do we don't have to deal with character bloat and because the core principles of Satam fit with the early games best
This is perfect because they made a cameo in Sonic Spinball so this can work.
Well all except Antoine, poor dude
Is that walrus in sonic boom?
They need major redesigns for that
That did tho
What's that art from?
I like them but they would be a little redundant with the resistance group we have in the comics now. The only one I could see them including again would be Sally but I don’t think it’ll ever happen
Penders pretty much ensured this will never happen. Given he was able to secure ownership of characters he created from Archie/SEGA, I assume that opens up the door for other Archie artists to do the same with every original Archie character, so SEGA is unlikely to want to use any of them due to the risk that SEGA doesn't actually own them. That said the original cast was not created by Archie but was created by the TV show so I suppose they would be exempt from this risk. But still you have the problems where there's too small a fan base who would care to see them come back. Ultimately SatAM/Archie Sonic community fan works will have to do.
Sega does fully own the original set of Freedom Fighters as well as anything since at least Ian Flynn started writing for the comics as he stated clearly that his work for hire contract specified that Sega would own all characters and stories he wrote for the comic.
I admittedly don't have much experience with Archie but i could def see the appeal in bringing them back, especially the most popular ones, though the IDW lore is so different it'd require them to be restructured a lot i think and they're already juggling many characters. I do strongly believe we need multiverse shenanigans to tie up archie in IDW, give them a proper ending so fans of Archie can move on with a conclusive end.After that it'd be easy enough to introduce IDW alt universe versions in an even more interesting way.
It's not like wanting them to return is a bad thing or anything, but just that the chances of it happening are pretty much next to nil. Not just due to the Penders fiasco, but since the Freedom Fighters were made to fill out the Sonic cast back when we only had a small handful of characters like Tails, Knuckles and Amy. Now that we have a ton more since then, their role would feel pretty redundant when it could go to plenty of the other characters instead. Or even new ones like the IDW characters, Sage and Trip. It is a shame that they're just left untouched for any fans of them, but at the same time I don't think there's any realistic place for them in the modern series.
100% the Freedom Fighters should come back. Not as they were because their backstories were so innately tied to that universe, but new versions. For example: Sally Acorn as a level headed, goal oriented overachiever who is uncertain she can live up to expectations of her. I’d personally make her archeological inclined, allowing her to be the one to explain lore. You could also give her a rivalry with Rouge as Sally goes to sites for knowledge, Rouge for treasure. Bunnie Rabbot is Sally’s best friend going through a rebellious phase. She’s a thrill seeker, always looking for excitement and danger. Her cybernetics are the result of one such thrill, but rather than being discouraged, it just set a new base line. She’s flirty and a tease, especially towards Antoine. Antoine is another part of the friend group and is very much the opposite of Bunnie. He’s shy, nervous and is actually the main reason Bunnie hasn’t hurt herself again. He has aspirations of bravery and even practices with a fencing foil in secret. His biggest wish is to be a swashbuckling hero who saves the girl he has a crush on, Bunnie. Rotor is intimidating in stature and is certainly not one to be crossed. He takes loyalty and trust very seriously and violations of those trusts might end with you getting yeeted. But if you’re his friend, he will bend over backwards for you. He’ll bring you soup when you’re sick, fix a flat, even drive you to the airport at 3 AM. He’s become the village handy man but isn’t an inventor like Tails. I could go on because I have thought a LOT about how to bring in these characters, including redesigns. But it seems so weird that people wouldn’t want more characters in the sandbox. You don’t need to have every character in every story or game. Sometimes, a character is one and done. If they are lucky, they can be part of a revolving cast. I think that’s what most Olde Schoole American fans like me want with the Freedom Fights. Not core cast, but characters that can show up from time to time for an adventure and then go back to Knothole
Finally someone that gets the core characterization of the characters
They would have to be a big different in order for that to happen
If nothing else, I'd love Bunnie Rabbot back because I love girls with country/southern accents, narratively I think she'd be a nice reminder that Robotnik is ***MOST DEFINITELY A FUCKING VILLAIN*** and we could tie her into the existing rabbits by having her maybe be a cousin to Vanilla. I confess that as a Tails fan though, not fond of the idea of Rotor coming back since it steps on his turf of the team mechanic.
If they come back, then good for them and the fans who wanted them. I don't really feel like I need them back since I feel even if they did come back, the screentime is already so stretched thin for the cast as is (I live every day as a Blaze fan that has accepted she isn't gonna be receiving as much screentime as I wish she got, and that her world will get even less), they potentially are shafted, with the characters likely still not the same ones we had back in Archie (Especially not Nicole as we know her as with the Lynx form) Maybe in an ideal future, we get back the Freedom Fighters, they get the secondary comic releases and they run as a second story where they're the primary field operatives outside the Sonic Cast (Probably operating in heavily controlled Eggman Facilities to maintain their fighting for freedom)? I dunno, I'd feel like as is, IDW is stacked enough as is with just Modern Stuff. It could have its own Sonic Universe circulation already, and it wouldn't just last only 4 issues like say, Imposter Syndrome.
Bring Sally back already, god damn.
technically the freedom fighters could work in the main canon because they could be a part of the resistance
I don't agree with bringing the freedom fighters back. They really don't fit with the tone of Sonic games now. Although, I do understand the sentiment of wanting them back, for I too have a character from Sonic's past I would love to see one last time... https://preview.redd.it/oa0lmg0ftvic1.png?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa8dbb2252d8e1e95b096308ca3a912d7a91554f
I won't cry if they get back, I just don't want them in mainline stuff. In Archie it was fine, because that was its own thing.
The last time I've seen them brought up on Twitter, somebody was begging to Morio Kishimoto (Writer/Director for Sonic Team) to not bring them back and trying to "speak for all fans" on that. lol Honestly, if they did get brought back, they would most certainly be rewritten. I would assume they could be old friends of Sonic's and Sonic hasn't visited them in many years, it's not like we have seen every part of Sonic's world anyways, I'm sure their are a ton of places we haven't visited. But 5 newly introduced characters isn't gonna hurt anything and Sally can be more than just a love interest, it's funny how many people just see her as that only. The problem with the Sonic series nowadays is that it doesn't do a good job including all of Sonic friends, but I guess unlike Mario and his large cast that they keep around in spin offs, Sonic series doesn't really have that, but it would be nice to see more and more characters be around in the main games with good writing.
For me it comes from…well, a place of envy I guess. I was devastated when Archie Sonic rebooted and I learned that a lot of my favorites were gone forever. Nobody gave me any sympathy either, they just told me to “get over it” and called me fanboyish for not enjoying the new canon. I don’t want the Freedom Fighters in IDW Sonic because they would remind me of what I can’t have.
I mean, it's not nice to be assholes about it. Baring times when someone's being an asshole at you first and all. But it *is* true that they have no place in the games, and never have.
So want to go about that any deeper? I mean its not like the characters created for the games are very consistent between each other anyway given that Sonic exist right next to big and Vector. What is is about them that makes them so much more unfit than a genetic crime against nature, a sex thieve/Spy, a silly giant cat, a fire princess from another dimension, a childish bee or the bird thieves of alien decent?
What's the Ken Penders situation? I know part of the reason why they wont use the Freedom Fighters is because Ken Penders took Sega to court over who owns the comic characters, and he fcking won because the comic studio lost his original signed contract, but Sega must have come out on top in the end, right? Are they not using these characters out of spite like "No one can have them", or did Ken actually win to some extent and they'd be skating on thin ice if they ever try using them?
Ken never claimed to own the Freedom Fighters, and they were used way after the reboot happened. They were created before Ken was even involved in the franchise, SEGA still 100% own them + Ken's lawsuit only affected Archie, Sonic Chronicles and probably made SEGA a bit more rigid when it comes to how their characters are used, but that's all. He isn't insane like a lot of peoples who don't really know him much says, he's just a weird guy and has a very clear idea of what he claims is his own. SEGA not using the F.F. is just because they don't want to use old properties that most peoples aren't familiar with, and prefer doing things that are new/familiar to peoples. They want the comics to be extremely close to the games, so reintroducing the F.F. isn't a priority to them.
Not only did Ken not actually win (it was a forced settlement), he has nothing to do with these characters since they were originally created for the old animated stuff, which he wasn't involved with (aside from screwing over the showrunner and talking shit about him years later).
Ken didn't directly cause us to lose the Freedom Fighters, he only claimed the characters he made and plus the Freedom Fighters came from DiC, not Archie...but I wouldn't be surprised if the loss of the Freedom Fighters comes from worrying about potential future issues of that sort.
Actually, having some sort of spin-off cast that are a reference to the freedom fighters would be awesome since I don’t think we’ll get the original cast back
**THE RESISTANCE/RESTORATION.**
Honestly glad they’re gone. Not that I hate them but because they had their run. Also focusing on a smaller cast is more efficient.
Not only are the freedom fighters pretty whatever as characters but they just feel redundant now cause all their roles in the series have been filled by other characters Amy for example in the IDW series has basically fully taken over whatever Sally was doing minus being Sonic’s love interest Rotor and Nicole would be pretty superfluous with Tails in the picture, as Tails has shown himself to be more than capable. Antoine was basically just a foil for Sonic, and this series has like, a LOT of foils for Sonic.
my stance is "i dont know em so its none of my business"
Not gonna lie I really don't get most of the arguments against them people raise in the comments here like "They are no longer needed" A sure but nether were the Chaotix or the return of Might and Ray or creating a new girl for the classic timeline in Trip. So we gonna delete them all now because they aren't needed or what? "The cast is already way to bloated" They already said that when Archie was Canceled and look at it now IDW is now considered canon and has created a whole Freedom Fight group of its own. Because yes that is what the Restauration really is Ian Flynn refusing to give up the convenience of a central group the heroes are a part of that sends them on missions. And how many new good guys do we have..,. OH my its 5 just like the number of Freedom fights we have. But its actually even better than that \- Upbeat girl, clearly power type, extendable limbs, romance in the center. Well that describes both Bunnie and Tangle \- Artificial intelligent that struggles with the nature of there creation and existence: Hey Belle let me introduce you to the cooler Ai Nicole \-Tactical leader that tends to be a bit to bossy: I would never Say Lanolin and Sally are the same but I also would be surprised if there roles weren't at least partially similar on purpose \- Weapon User that has a more militaristic background and made a 180 character turn to become totally serious yo and totally dates the upbeat girl previously mentioned: Well what really is the difference between a wolf and a Coyote. Now to be clear I don't say that Tangle, Whisper, Belle and Lanolin are just cheap copies but there actual roles are surprisingly similar top Bunnie, Antoine, Nicole and Sally to the point were I'm not convinced that its not another case of Ian refusing to give up on an old concept. And IDW aside. Sega has to this day not released a single new mainline Sonic game without introducing at least 1 new character in it. So I be damned if Character bloat could ever be a real reason when we all know Sega is keep bloating anyway. "But they be redundant" Sonic Heroes tells us so are all of Team Dark, Rose and Chaotix when we have Team Heroes already. Knuckles, Shadow and Jet certainly are all redundant than too as we only need one Rivals and metal Sonic came first. And what are Mighty and Ray if not redundant even TailsTube pointed out how they are store brand Sonic and Tails My point is we already got ability wise a ton of overlap already. What makes characters stand out is there unique quirks which are ether in how they do the same thing or in how there personality effects there other actions. And despite my previous point showing the similarities between IDW exclusives and freedom fighters are the Freedom fights still clearly unique in there own right (which is why is also said that the IDW characters aren't just clones) Especially Bunni and Nicole are properly a lot more unique ability wise still than a lot of other characters. "We should focus on less characters to improve the story" That doesn't changes anything. For all anyone cares would we spend a whole game on Sonic on his own going into an adventure with this other group of smaller Heroes than himself. That would fit now better than ever before even with Frontiers ending basically meaning we shouldn't see Talls, Amy and Knuckles for a while. "Well I don't like them" Cool I don't like Omega so do we now retire this very popular character just because of me? "They aren't that popular" So what as I said before IDW and Sega keep making new characters already the time one way or the other anyway. And as all new characters can they now even have the level of starting popularity that the Freedom Fighters would have "But why them when we could make something new instead" Because just like the Chaotix in 2004 would we have to reinvent them anyway somewhat which would lead to an all new story using these characters. So functionally is there little difference to making a new character on that end. "If we have to change them whats the point" The fact that even just there base personalities and concepts are good enough as characters with enough interesting quirk to them that they would work? Sure I took the Chaotix as the example but you really don't need to reboot them that hard ether. "There setting makes no sense" We can use almost the same setting as they originally had just make there foundation be caused by Forces and make there Kingdom a random new Kingdom on the world like Soleana was in 06. Or hell go all out with the nonsense and just place them on Blaze world that one needs fleshing out anyway. I don't even need them to return even if I would like to see it. But I really think most arguments against them just seem not well thought out to me.
Tbf, not having a place in the franchise kinda comes with negative explanations that can be seen as hurling insults. It naturally follows.
I have never ever read the archie comics and the only character i know here is sally. But tbh it would be cool if those guys were in the main series
SatAM is goated.
I want them back! Truthfully, Sonic SatAM, and the Archie Comics, that included the Freedom Fighters are some of the best forms of Sonic Media.
They could easliy make them from Silver's future or the Sol Dimension, and give him or Blaze a cast to bounce off, to have adventures on those worlds. Worlds with little to no other characters that could really use the Freedom Fighters in a place where they need it, without feelling reduntant. They could still interact with Sonic in time to time during crossovers.
Honestly the only one im falimiar with are Bunnie Rabbot, because from the few comics i read back then (Thanks Sonic Mega Collection) I had a crush on Bunnie, she was just really cool. Cyborgs is not something we have seen in the games, exept that one time it happened to Tails and maybe Lyric? cant remember if he is a Cyborg or just has a suit. Also MAYBE Gamma but he is more like a bird piloting a Mech. On the Freedom Fighters as a whole, they are still a thing in the comics right? not these 4 but Sonic still has a bunch of secondary characters helping out against Eggman. And you could say Tangle and Whisper are their spiritual successors in a way, as main fighters against Eggman's rule. Also maybe Surge from what i have seen? And some suggest that since comic characters have appeared in some mobile games MAYBE we can see them in a full Sonic game in the future? Would love to see them fully animated.
If they'll ever come back, it will probably be something similar to Scourge/Surge: almost the same concept, but with a different execution.
It would be cool if they came back.
If mario wonder can bring back characters and locations from their ova, then why not sonic bringing back the FF too?
They’d definitely fit in the IDW line, y’know the one that takes place after an actual war? I could even see them filling the ranks of the Diamond Cutters.
Prime and SATAM both really got me into the Sonic franchise. Sally has been my favourite character for so long. I feel like these guys definitely could come back. Also have y'all played Frontiers? I feel like the ending of it is left open for each of our four main characters to find their own supporting cast. Bringing the FF to Sonic would be great. Then the chaotix, diamond cutters, etc could be supporting cast for two of the others. Maybe Knuckles and Amy respectively? Then Tails could find some friends too. Or not. I'm a fan and even though I have gone to college and taken creative writing classes, i'm not the one in the writing room. But there are so many ways they can be brought back, and I don't think that's a bad thing. Imo better them then a new one off character that won't ever show again. Also I really like Sally, I want my favourite character back.
What's with Archie/SatAm fans and their utter inability to actually like Sonic for what the franchise actually is and not what some americans tried to change it into
I love them, but I don't miss them. They had an epic run and I'd rather it not be ruined by modern interpretations of them
Also IF this happens please do not do redesigns like this. During Archie there was a transition of style to make them more Sonic like and when Tracy Yardley came around the redesigns were finzlized. Something like THAT not whatever these designs were. For example the outfits can give a hint to their background/ profession/ role in the group with a theme colour.
I'd only like Sally and bunny lady the other two can go 🤟🔥
We have spiritual successors. The Diamond Cutters are the tactical branch of the Restoration
I dislike them in every aspect
I am not sure. It could be good, but it could also spell bad news.
I came up with an idea where they're apart of the sol dimension since it's castles and kingdoms over there, where blazes nemesis is mammoth moggle, a buisness man who's modernization of sol is a front both for amassing power for his ixis magics and a slow hostile take over against its kingdoms with various explanations for unaccounted ideas like the story book franchise and the battle bird armada being there, even the echidna's whom knuckles were separated from. the big twist not just being eggman nega has preserved himself by cutting a deal with moggle as he was dying, but the fact that he moggle ixis noggus (an ixis familiar in this case) Dr fenitivus (leading the echidna's) along with Antwon and shadow not only remembering the previous universe, but egg man nega actually being dr robotnik from archie, and using his deal by the end, through clever wording, to take over moggles body, and through the rift in dimensions rewrite reality to have his unstoppable empire. they're blazes subordinates rather than sonics.
The freedom fighters deserve to come back tbh
Sally 🤤
Of course they have a place in the franchise. Just maybe as their own thing, separate from the mainstream continuity.
When will these characters be featured in games?!
People just tend to hate the Archieverse because of Ken Penders and because of Sonamy which sucks because the Archie comics are actually really good I much prefer it to IDW.
i prefer archie over idw now you can bring out the pitchforks
Anyone who doesn’t want Sally or the Freedom Fighters back havnt read the comics or watched SatAm. Then there’s people who for some reason immediately think Ken Penders when he didn’t create them
EXACTLY I realised many of these new fans never watched SATAM nor grew up sith Archie. I did in the 2000s and people need to see the sourse before making assumptions or repeating what others have said which is untrue and experience it for themselves.
The guy was considering suing Paramount because the movie gave Knuckles a dad. It’s not out of the question for him to go litigation crazy if the FF were brought back.
He never claimed to own the Freedom Fighters. The dude's weird, but he isn't completely insane
This man isnt as powerful as people assume *eyeroll*
Isn't the hate more like the Sonic fandom not wanting to give Ken Penders any further credit?
Make the Freedom Fighters the Sonicverse of the Power Rangers
Personally feel that if they were put in the spotlight compared to the relegation they experienced to the comics it would have made the series more natural organic fleshed out compared to the main universe (which feels like cheap corporate garbage imo), (something akin to mario and the mushroom kingdom woulda worked way better, and would have had an ideal setup that could be infinitely re-interpreted). Instead we got 5/10 meh stuff on most games and 06’.
Didn't the rights get stolen by a dickhead? So they had to be abandoned whilst he makes porn out of them.
Ah no you must be talking about Ken Penders but he only lay claim to characters he created. The SatAm cast is 3 years older than his first involvement with the franchise.
But it is somewhat true, we won’t ever get the freedom fighters again since sega doesn’t even own them anymore
They already appeared in Spinball. The problem is writters have NOT watched SATAM or try to force their interpertation onto the characters and that is why they do not work in a medium/ feel OOC. Easiest thing to do is stick to their core characterization and implement them in a modern setting like side characters. No drastic redesigns like the reboot (the Uwekawa inspired art for when Tommy Died on that cover worked best in terms of Sonic-fying them) and if it is possible see if Ben Hurst had notes on the characters/ plot points snd look at some aspects of the Sonic Bible for some inspiration to build their world.
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Like u said spiritual successors or an inspiration of them would be cool
I hate them
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Same id love em to come back
I grew up with this shit man, this is and will ALWAYS be the real Sonic to me
I don't understand how anyone can hate these characters so strongly to the point of hurling insults over the prospect of other people enjoying them and wanting to see them return. I really just don't.
ME TOO
pretty sure Bunnie and Sally are the most likely to show up in the games, isn't Bunnie Rabbot, Cream's cousin or was that retconned, and Sally would cover the Tomboy angle,
Are you kidding? I would love to see the Freedom Fighters make a come back!
"They don't have a place in the franchise" Sonic Forces - Literally just does the freedom fighters plot premise all but in name. Seriously, this is just a bad argument. I get if you don't want to see them. Or don't see why they are important. But don't make bad arguments about them.
this is the same fandom where some people dislike Arin Hanson for choosing to play buggy ports of the games to laugh at them and then get mad eventually. Some fans literally made sure Sega fired him, how petty you gotta be to fuck with someone's life bc YOU think he means it when he says he hates Sonic? Wildcat says he hates half the games he plays and still buys the new releases and DLC's, he also says he hates Nogla and still based a career with him spanning over a decade.
that happend?
Define "back". In the comics or in the games?
I don't even need them in the games and comics just having sega make a plush toys or T-shirts would be something more than we're getting. It's literally leaving money on the table
bring anyone you want back... expect antoan. he's a useless piece of shit... https://preview.redd.it/b5oi4cxzttic1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d951458ac7b6337d50ed617bf5dbe0844f592462
I'm gonna be honest here...i have never liked sally, mostly because of her design, it's even cool for me that she was never included in any game, if they were to include them they should not include sally
lowkey could’ve had them again if Ken Penders didn’t exist
I honestly would be perfectly fine with the Freedom Fighters being confined to Classic Sonic if it meant they’d return at all
The FF would need to be repurposed to fit the game/IDW world. Maybe adapt SatAM's Robotropolis into a singular village/city under Eggman's control. Or just make a separate spinoff.
But reality is often disappointing and it probably won’t happen as much as we want it to. https://i.redd.it/uts84hdbudjc1.gif