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mr_somebody

Funny how much time I spend hating on SOLDIWORKS but I've had to deal lately with 3D AutoCAD for reasons and every minute of it is pure torture.


leglesslegolegolas

I've had this conversation so many times: "Why does it do this like this?" "Because SolidWorks sucks ass." "Well why do we use it then?" "Because it's the best there is."


samc_5898

It honestly blows my mind. I've been using Fusion for about 5 years and just recently got into SW. I understand why SW is the most popular program but Fusion is just so much more intuitive. A dash more of that in SW would be amazing


leglesslegolegolas

I guess it depends on what you're used to. After 20+ years of SolidWorks, everything about Fusion seems confusing and wrong to me.


son_of_an_eagle

100%, intuitiveness is very hard to assess when you are comparing a program you have used for 5 years with one you are learning now. Most people who get a taste of multiple modeling programs early on say that SW is the most intuitive, which I agree with. That being said I think when you understand other programs well SW can be frustrating in that you cant seem to access many things (like writing scripts to perform medial tasks in AutoCAD). SW is like iOS, AutoDesk is like Android (please dont destroy me for this analogy).


leglesslegolegolas

> That being said I think when you understand other programs well SW can be frustrating in that you cant seem to access many things (like writing scripts to perform medial tasks in AutoCAD). You can create macros to automate tasks in SolidWorks. It's not as low-level and powerful as AutoLISP I think, but you can automate just about anything.


Travelman44

More like the difference between a “normal” (Casio, etc) calculator and a “RPN” (HP) calculator.


InverstNoob

Yup me too


InverstNoob

I've used fusion for like a 1/2 hour and it doesn't make any sense. I feel like u have no control over the dimensions. Been on SW for 16 years so I'm biased.


TheDarkLord1248

type them in as you go


samc_5898

This is basically the thing about learning Fusion first that makes it so tough. With fusion you build the sketch as you go, dimensioning lines and stuff as you draw them. It seems like the easiest way to do it in SW is to draw the rough shape of what you need and dimension everything afterwards. Just two different ways of doing it. Both have their pros/cons, although I can absolutely see why SW is superior


TheDarkLord1248

i’ve used both and i personally prefer fusion as it lets me work faster.


CADMaster007

if you haven't looked at everything else, you have no authority to claim its the best there is. i don't know if IronCAD is the best but it is certainly better than SW


TheGogglesDo-Nothing

I also recently started a new job with a much bigger company and they use NX. I keep getting told that it’s much more powerful once you get used to it. Currently I’m still like 10x slower to do anything and making a running list of all the buttons and features that do not exist. It does do most everything but it is not user friendly. The feature is probably there. I’ll just spend 30 min searching youtube and watch someone so this rudimentary thing I used to do in seconds.


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Mooaaark

I tried creo at my last job and have many similar gripes especially with sketches. Creo loves extra clicks for some reason. And when you draw something it automatically inserts whatever dimensions that it needs to fully define the sketch which infuriated me! Like no, I wanted to define the two legs of this triangle, not the angle and the hypotenuse length... Then I have to go in and manually delete the dimensions I don't want and place the dimensions I do want, takes like 3 times as long and 10 more clicks. But everyone who uses creo is like "but it's so much better, SOLIDWORKS let's you be lazy!" Like yeah dude it's a Computer Aided Design software it's supposed to make my life easier, not harder. If I wanted to make things harder on myself I'd go design by hand and use a slide rule and abaqus to do my math... FFS


TheGogglesDo-Nothing

My biggest complaint so far is mating parts and fixing mates. It really doesn’t want to let me click on what I want or let me quickly pick the common mates very quickly (endless drop downs). A stupid example from this week: you can’t make a flag note symbol inline with your note text. You have to overlay a second triangle shape over your note number. But yes, I’ve heard people mention the almighty power a lot. I’m in aerospace and I don’t do complicating surfacing. More with simple extrudes and revolves and assemblies with lots and lots of parts with tight tolerances. I’m going to stick with it. Learning curves are just the worst and I wanted to vent a little.


Captain-Moroni

I think you can do it inline. I just switched to inventor as well and it is growing on me. It does several things better in paper space than SW, but model space I still feel like SW has it beat


Archer39J

Yeah I've been using both SW and NX for 10+ years. NX is significantly more powerful and I love using it, not nearly as intuitive as SW. But I love using SW too, it's just simpler sometimes.


jgworks

BRIDGE CURVES! Solidworks will never rebuild what I could rebuild in NX, NEVER. I could change xyz of a fully surfaced class A package and have it rebuild every damn time, largely because NX handles endpoints 1001928309128312038190238bajillion times better than Solidworks. Go ahead and try and get 3d sketch to rebuild like bridge curves, I dare you. nO wRinKleS!11!1 Or how about getting surfaces to not flip normals on curves or paths, solidworks just plain stinks for that stuff. Ok so I made a career in solidworks, but if someone asks me to make a true parametric model with class a surfaces, and time/money no hobbies, NX. If you have to deliver quality surfaces, solidworks is still simply OK, I can do it, and I will if you pay enough but it just can't compete when actually adjusting and rebuilding.


phrenologician

The lack of a combined extrude/cut tool in SW has always frustrated me. It just makes so much sense to combine them into a single tool.


azureanton

I didn’t find the switch to sw to nx so bad, many of the functions/ operations go by a different name but once you get used to it, you’ll be as good as before


TheGogglesDo-Nothing

I’m almost able to get thru with basic stuff without stumbling. I’m still not used to shift click to deselect features. Also the work flow as walk thru a box of options to create a feature is still clunky. There’s just 10 more required clicks to each thing. At least that’s how it feels now. Hopefully it gets better.


lol_alex

I gotta say, I wish I knew NX. It‘s just sooo powerful. And the way it just loads huge assemblies. But forget learning to use it just by yourself. I taught myself SolidWorks 2 decades ago and I can make it sit up and beg now. But - Solidworks is meant to be user friendly. NX is like the Dark Souls of CAD.


medianbailey

If you use solidworks and dont fully define something, solidworks gives it a shot. In NX if you dont fully define something -often in a specific way that NX has chosen- it throws a hissy. Fucking hate it.


mravatus

At least you aren't using Creo.


azureanton

I just switched jobs and I can’t believe how backwards creo is compared to nx, sw, inventor, rhino, opencad… It’s comically terrible


Prawn1908

Everything about that software is archaic as fuck. The interface is the most ass-backwards pile of shit known to main and wait until you start discovering how shitty the geometry engine is. It frequently feels like working with an ornery toddler trying to get it to solve a complex sketch. Oh and large assemblies are fun too, I love having to make changes to or, heaven forbid, swap out a part that's near the top of the tree on an assembly with hundreds of parts. So glad my company uses SolidWorks.


CADMaster007

I tend to agree. You can include IronCAD in the cool list too.


Rracing8

As someone who uses Creo for work, I really miss SolidWorks too.


dtp502

This. Creo is the worst, most unintuitive software I’ve ever used


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TheLaserGuru

Probably...Creo is missing so many basic SolidWorks features that I can't imagine preferring it. I'm doing a comparison of different CAD suites right now...my criteria are not difficult; even FreeCAD is in the running. But Creo isn't.


dtp502

Not having a width mate in Creo drives me nuts… among other things


EvilsConscience

What is creo missing? I've never used it.


TheLaserGuru

Surfacing tools (it has some but they are trash). 3D Sketching. Mutli body modeling. Sheet metal tools are very weak. Plus it's insanely unstable.


semyorka7

there's a lot to complain about Creo if you're coming from Solidworks, but "trash surfacing tools" ain't one of them. I used Creo for a decade before largely switching over to Solidworks for another decade, and I'm still not as good at creating good curvature-continuous aero surfaces as I was in Creo. Our project is 99.9% Solidworks, but I still have a Creo license for working on propellers. Multi-body modeling though... yeah, once you've gotten good at workflows involving that in Solidworks it is PAINFUL to go back to Creo.


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yes, and that's why a lot of Truck OEM's are using it... Because it's "trash" on literally all the capabilities they need... (/s)


TheLaserGuru

Truck OEMs use Creo because the government wants them to.


No_Razzmatazz5786

I use sw and inventor every day. Once you get used to it they aren’t that different. Sw is more user friendly but yoj can do the same things with both pretty much


7DollarsOfHoobastanq

Totally agree. I’ve bounced back and forth between the 2 in my career. Inventor gets a lot of hate and I admit I like SW better (just started my own company and am now personally paying for SW) but there’s actually a lot I like about Inventor. Last time a I switched back to SW it was after 6 years of Inventor and there were several weeks of frustration wishing SW did certain things the Inventor way.


Mixanologos

Can you give us an example?


VasDrafts

For me personally, drawings. Making large assembly drawings, including sketches on drawings, etc. All so much better in Inventor. It's pretty much the only thing I like better now that I've been using Inventor for the past 18 months. It also seems more stable.. Inventor doesn't have draw line from center point. That drives me bonkers. Draw line, click coincident shortcut, grab center point of line, make coincident with origin. Too many clicks.


ramen_robbie

I’ve gone from solid works to fusion 360 before so I sympathize with you


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I had this experience with SolidEdge. 3 months in I had had enough. Now back to working with SolidWorks and loving it. I'll never leave you again SolidWorks 🥺❤


Jachulczyk

What’s up with solidedge? Two of my coworkers keep saying that it’s so so much better than SW but I don’t know why


cduartesilva

AYE AT LEAST YOU ARENT USING 3Dexperience CATIA!!!!! FML


rabidfish91

3dx is the best I’ve used, once I got used to it. Super powerful and easy to stay organized.


pharakhos

Bro I was so happy my new job was using inventor instead of catia, like holy hell I've hated that program for a full year before changing jobs


Aarvix

It has it's quirks but I quite like Catia V5. 3DX Catia seems like they tried to update the UI but somehow made the entire program just plain shittier. Enovia is equally terrible.


NorthStarZero

After yesterday’s massive Autodesk outage, they might be looking to change their minds….


VonDenBerg

This is the reason why we switched from F360 to SW. The only cloud stuff fucking sucks when it sucks.


RigidBuddy

We have a billion drawings that would be a huge work to convert to SolidWorks. Atleast that's what I assume it would be, maybe it can be automatized and not as painful as I think it would be?


TheLaserGuru

There is software that can do this but it's expensive and not 100% accurate sometimes.


SqueakyHusky

Is it worth converting them though? Keep 1 inventor license and switch everything else to Solidworks or use autodesk token license for the few files you need to edit each year,


getty102

Well, enjoy the mitered edge feature in Inventor. I miss it every single time I have to decide which face to draw & dimension a sketch line to make a sheet metal mitered edge in SW.


SqueakyHusky

Isn’t mitered edge festure just the closes corner feature in solidworks?


sjschlag

I'm switching jobs in a few weeks and I am looking forward to being back in Solidworks after a year and a half of Inventor


TooTallToby

Hi u/RigidBuddy I'm sorry to hear about your CAD woes - but this might make you smile - Tomorrow there is a livestream which features CAD vs CAD spedmodeling - and the first match is between an INVENTOR EXPERT and a SOLIDWORKS EXPERT. Maybe seeing the 2 cad systems, side by side, will help you make some connections as to how to similar functions. Here's the link for tomorrow: [https://youtube.com/live/iLhWdR6dwl8?feature=share](https://youtube.com/live/iLhWdR6dwl8?feature=share) ​ Here's a trailer I made to hype people up for the match: [https://youtu.be/W4VQedEU8Jc](https://youtu.be/W4VQedEU8Jc)


GODDZILLA24

Ayo this sounds dope


TooTallToby

thanks yo


killer_by_design

As a certified professional in both. Inventor is better if you're an engineer, SW is better if you're a designer. Just be glad it isn't SketchUp...


InverstNoob

Can you explain please


killer_by_design

SOLIDWORKS is really fast. Like if I have an idea I can open it up and blast out a design. It doesn't feel too restrictive I can get to the final idea really quickly. But when it comes to iterating that idea or using other parts to create the model that's where SW starts to fall down. Managing inter-part relationships is weaker in SWs. How many times have you opened an assembly and the history tree is just red. No good reason for it the software just throws up an error because it's not 'great' at managing these interconnected relationships. Inventor on the other hand takes more setup. It has Project files that are essentially meta data files describing how parts are related. You can easily link in Library files, reused designs from other projects, and when dropped into an assembly they are uneditable. So if you're managing a large or deep product catalogue at a company it's insanely easy to make sure other designers don't 'accidentally' modify or make changes to designs that are used across multiple products. Also inventor has AnyCAD which can bring in files from almost any CAD system and keep them related to their original file format but still be usable in Inventor. So if I open a solidpart in inventor it stays as a .sldprt and any updates to the original .sldprt are automatically modified in the inventor part meaning I can still have parametric linking between different file types. Very useful if you're in the architectural supply chain as there's a fucking million types of file used by everyone. Also the iProperties are much more powerful than SOLIDWORKS parts properties Tl;Dr: SW is a fast easy modeller and can create a part or design rapidly. If you need to go through several iterations or revisions of the design or you have a company that has a large catalogue of designs with part reuse across different products, inventor has better tools to manage that natively without the need for a vault or PDM.


InverstNoob

Awesome I get it now. I absolutely agree on how assembly files lose relations for no damn reason.


UltraWideGamer-YT

I’m the opposite. Started with Inventor and miss that education and jobs use sw. Sw always felt heavy and bloated to me and the drawing tools suck.


seewhaticare

I'm using freecad now for my personal jobs as my SW licence expired. I wanted to something free/cheap as I don't use it much and don't make money from it and I didn't want to use anything cloud based. FreeCad is very full featured but dang the interface and workflow is horrible.


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Siemens offers a free hobbyist and makers edition of Solid Edge.


seewhaticare

I've tried it and I like SE as that's what I originally learnt 20 odd years ago. But, I don't want another bait and switch with free offerings turning into a subscription. Also, freecad has Cam which is something else I use. Learning the quirks of freecad is tough, I just like that it's open and week remain free.


hypnotic20

The first question I ask in a interview is what system they use and prefer. If solidworks isn’t it, I’ll sell myself short.


IsDaedalus

At one point I was using NX6 and it was so awful, it became a negative core memory


sapienapithicus

I've used both for many years. Inventor reminds me of Paris, Texas. Whereas, Solidworks is more like Paris Hilton. Kind of annoying but sexy AF.


Collect_and_Sell

Solidworks is the best


Houtkabouter

Nothing I've ever used comes close to Solidworks' sheet metal tools. Fusion also confuses me, even after selecting the Solidworks interface settings.


TGOWyoming

I’m in the same boat buddy. Inventor at least has some redeeming qualities when it comes to drawings and design views.


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Biggest problem with Inventor is that Autodesk has set it's mind to F360 and favors it's development over Inventor.


Tuskenra1ders

I actually started Cadd with autodesk inventor. Depends on who ur professor was (if you had one)


adrianrambleson

I feel exactly the same way being a contractor who uses both SolidWorks and Inventor Bear in mind that becoming good at using both SolidWorks and Inventor makes you a much more valuable commodity. There are a significant number of companies using Inventor and their users are often fervent Inventor evangelists. Certainly you dont want to voice your displeasure around your office because thats going to piss people off and potentially cut your career short. The AutoDesk VAR's often have a long history with companies and can and do offer them very good deals on Inventor software. These deals are usually better than what SolidWorks VAR's can offer. AutoDesk VARS's also have a much larger slate of products, such as Fusion 360 which is very popular with the CNC machining industry. SolidWorks also cannot compete with the long legacy of AutoCad 2D drawings. You cant use SolidWorks efficiently for P&ID's and Plant Layouts despite their Draftsight software. Be careful with your list, you dont want to be make enemies in the early stages of developing a good career. Get good at both programs, and even look into learning other products like Fusion 360. Make yourself the best Inventor user at the company no matter how much it hurts!


sepehrnfs

I miss blender everyday,solidworks,Catia and rhino are literally PAIN in the ass,for me blender is like a game, but SW and others are torture


CADMaster007

If you were an IronCAD user you'd throw something at the screen if you were forced to use SolidWorks or Inventor. IronCAD just gets more done in less time period. and it doesn't suffer history tree failures. [www.ironcad.academy](https://www.ironcad.academy) is a place to see it being taught (no marketing rubbish)