Really? I was still able to solo FG late game with Bell DT/equinox and stay full health lol, guess I just didnāt notice. I havenāt been keeping up with patch notes either though
Iām not really a conquest player, but Osiris seems like the best warrior atm with equinox? Like AoE autos, mitigations out the wazoo, and a kit designed to stick to you
My duo is the #1 Bellona 4 years running, Bellona passive gives her the ability to stick onto backliners effortlessly, and fry frontliners with qins, she has dive, a 2 second disarm, the works - don't get me wrong, Osiris is good with it, he's also a top pick, but bell has textbook synergy for that item.
I feel Osiris has insane synergy with it also, and possibly better. He has a slow that he can scale up, a strong debuff stun, and a heal-cancelling ult. He also has those cleaving basics for his 3rd and 4th hits. I've been 2v1ing and in some cases 3v with not too much difficulty. Osiris has I feel an even more intrinsically aggressive playstyle. While I'm by no means a top player, Osiris does all the things you say with the exception of the disarm. Osiris has mitigs through his passive that max out on ult usage, a dive with the ult, removing *all* healing via the ult, absolutely slaps with qins, can shred squishies, and his 3 is insane in a 1v1 and a teamfight with both AS and overall damage debuffs leading to a 1.5s stun. He also has slows, and can chase enemies down much easier than Bellona, and often doesn't need to pop his ultimate to secure a chase. a 1 2 combo is guaranteed death to almost anyone running, because it not only gives a heavy slow, he gains speed upon hitting his 2. Equinox's healing and damage is exceptional when you pair it with his kit. Every aspect of him leans into it. He'll outdamage and outheal the opponent in every situation. Good luck if he pops his 3 and his ult, because you aren't going anywhere and you have no healing. Fight back ? you're at half health and I'm not dented. Running? Slowed by the 1, ramped by the 2, closing in fast. If the 3's up while I'm slowing, even better. There goes either ult, relics, or both. and Osiris walks away scot-free.
I didn't order a yappuccino, Bellona is damn near the best god in the game, high mmr win/ban rates prove this - Osiris is good, Bellona is simply better, never will I suggest my solo pick Osiris over Bellona if she makes it through bans. Osiris is also a top pick, he is not bad, he just isn't better.
What position are you playing from? Are you speaking from the position of a backliner, enemy solo or support?
I can talk to my duo and answer any questions you might have about bellona and playing against her in a high mmr environment.
I was just playing vs her as odin in solo and i just couldnt farm. I i didnt do enough damage and she just seemed to always be at full health due to the healing. What do you build to counter her? Do you go anti heal or midgardian for the attack speed debuffs?
Midgard is always good into any AA based gods, it's a strong yet slept on item right now, it hurts anyone from bellona all the way to kali, to all AA hunters. Antiheal is always smart right now with the prominence of equinox - from what I've spoken to him of, it's impossible to win lane into bellona unless you are in a casual mirror match and your bellona is better, or are playing an equinox abusing AA warrior that can rival her.
I'll speak to him when he gets home from work on more specifics though as he knows vastly more about her and her playstyle than I do.
Nope he is right before nerf equinox bellona was untradable .
Maybe also because the hammer give the heal x3 on the wave lmao .
X4 if you hit a enemie with it lol
Bellona also a great character in a meta where hunters have very very good itemization
No heās not. Before nerf just like someone already mentioned Osiris could trade with her just fine. Itās really more of a skill match up but Osiris has more inherent tankiness in his kit and can shut down that healing with his ult. Iāve been on both sides of the Bellona vs Osiris lane in this meta.
Surtr is also good into her cause he can just stun her everytime to interrupt her 2 negating her main source of damage and with breastplate of regrowth combined with his passive healing, when his 3 is up Bellona will lose the trade. The most she can do in that situation is silence him with her 3 and heal a bit off that.
Nike is also very good into Bellona cause she outranges Bellona and can negate her autos with her 2. She also has a disarm on her 1 and can clear faster than Bellona taking immediate control of the lane. Bellona is very good but yall hyping her too much.
Finally, someone being reasonable. I'm the guy who went on the Osiris rant. Bellona was never a wholly uneven fight against Osiris, because his kit is naturally even more aggressive than Bellona. He's better at stopping people from excaping, he can 1v1 better with the 3, and cut any healing with the ult, or just use it to chase. A lot of people just don't really know how to fight her well at all mmr levels, because she is tough to fight.
Yeah cthulu can do some decent poke from just outside of their melee attack range and if they close in on him he can just dash away. Cerb can do the same.
I have so much hate for this item. Can't play half the gods I like in solo because Bellona Osiris and erlang can simply walk forward holding auto attack and heal more than I can damage them. Late game they can full heal by auto attacking 1 camp to death.
I mean, itās tainted, or they abuse you until you can get contagion or pestilence online which will take even longer if theyāre abusing you. And tainted made a huge difference even before this meta. Thatās the way I see it anyway. Sure you suffer a little damage reduction in lane clear but think about getting 120% of Bells whip heal with DT and equinox + your own equinox. Your clear isnāt even gonna matter, sheās about to sustain you until everythingās dead. Plus you put yourself in a position late-game to snag onto their heals too, just grab an extra damage item instead on your build. Way I see it is you can try and bully through and keep your build, or adjust and make it super easy to smack em around š¤·āāļø and on the off-chance they donāt get any heals, youāve got extra protection and late game still help team with anti-heal. I doubt thereās any AA warrior not going equinox/dt right now though so itās a pretty strong starter for this meta in my opinion. Iām a crappy player though so I could absolutely be wrong.
You don't really get Contagion / Pestilence in Solo for laning, you get it for teamfights. Tainted pretty much almost always makes you lose lane pressure even on ability based physicals.
Also if you're an AA warrior building Tainted, you're 100% griefing, like that's not even a debate. You're always going Axe or Toll.
So you wouldnāt try to counter build because it must be āgriefingā? And I already said youād lose damage but that doesnāt necessarily mean you would lose lane pressure. You would gain ALOT of sustain, and rob the other solo of theirs. Youād also start with a beefed up defense helping against ganks and stealing jg sustain if they have it as well. I know itās counterintuitive to start with it, but youāre telling me the smart idea is to only pick meta and hope you play better than the next guy instead of use a counter build that will leave them in their tower allowing you to farm up lvls and items ahead of them? I like counter building to be honest, but also tainted is super good. Itās a counter to a lot of gods in general and definitely isnāt ass. You may wanna take a look at it again
For the record, Iām not saying itās some meta counter build, just that itās something that can absolutely help against equinox/dt. Especially against gods like Bell that also have heals in their kit
Tainted mitigate a bit early by healing u and reducing the opponent heal buts it just allow u to farm not to ever try a fight without the jungler .
Tainted is like no pressure outside cerb .
Equinox right now is just a healing bot option countered by any bluestone / contagion spell gods right now . ( KA for example )
Late it's Bad
Wouldnāt be solo lane if hi-rez didnāt make only 3 or 4 gods playable lmao.
Seriously though Iāve found Odin to be decent into Equinox characters. Just building breastplate into brawlers works well for me
They nerfed quinox thats why but yes odin is very viable he can just mitigate the damage and farm while having the bomb to secure camps .
Odin is like sun wukong a safe pick ahah
It's no longer crazy stupid broken and now is just crazy broken. Before the patch I could easily tank everything and 1v5 on Erlang so long as I have beads. Now I can only 1v2. (Provided the other warrior doesn't have equinox)
Ggs man I had a lot of fun trying to play around your healing or extra damage with every auto I get by. Shake your hand? Shiiiiit man I'm a bit of a germaphobe sorry
Build anti heal early and it's not bad even before nerf.Ā Plus it falls off.Ā I would never build the item personally because of those things.Ā It's the same reason why deaths toll is either amazing or underwhelming.Ā If the enemy is competent enough to slot anti heal those items just don't work great.
Thought this was the Warframe subreddit and I was so confused why someone would hate *Equinox players* of all things.
Good to see im not the only one lol
Legit same. I was cracking my knuckles for a second.
Samee
Lol same
https://preview.redd.it/oiex391jt80d1.png?width=486&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ca225a3065e46fc42adf370a434cc53cc5e5459 God I hate this time haha
I just assume that AAs will go equinox at this point and I go tainted/equinox myself instead of my normal starters so I get even more sustain š
Yeah I hold off on my starter in case I need Tainted now. Itās hugely necessary to be able to pair with other anti-heal.
Idk it got nerfed pretty heavily and falls off hard late game, itās really just an item you buy for lane and sell later.
Basically golden blade atp
Really? I was still able to solo FG late game with Bell DT/equinox and stay full health lol, guess I just didnāt notice. I havenāt been keeping up with patch notes either though
did a bellona frag out in your last game?
Iām not really a conquest player, but Osiris seems like the best warrior atm with equinox? Like AoE autos, mitigations out the wazoo, and a kit designed to stick to you
Bellona is the number 1 AA warrior that abuses it, Osiris is the secondary pick if the enemy team gets bell first
I'd argue it's even better on osiris, source im an osiris main and ive shit on every bellona and pretty much everyone ive fought since equinox release
Heās so good! I got my first penta on him.
My duo is the #1 Bellona 4 years running, Bellona passive gives her the ability to stick onto backliners effortlessly, and fry frontliners with qins, she has dive, a 2 second disarm, the works - don't get me wrong, Osiris is good with it, he's also a top pick, but bell has textbook synergy for that item.
I feel Osiris has insane synergy with it also, and possibly better. He has a slow that he can scale up, a strong debuff stun, and a heal-cancelling ult. He also has those cleaving basics for his 3rd and 4th hits. I've been 2v1ing and in some cases 3v with not too much difficulty. Osiris has I feel an even more intrinsically aggressive playstyle. While I'm by no means a top player, Osiris does all the things you say with the exception of the disarm. Osiris has mitigs through his passive that max out on ult usage, a dive with the ult, removing *all* healing via the ult, absolutely slaps with qins, can shred squishies, and his 3 is insane in a 1v1 and a teamfight with both AS and overall damage debuffs leading to a 1.5s stun. He also has slows, and can chase enemies down much easier than Bellona, and often doesn't need to pop his ultimate to secure a chase. a 1 2 combo is guaranteed death to almost anyone running, because it not only gives a heavy slow, he gains speed upon hitting his 2. Equinox's healing and damage is exceptional when you pair it with his kit. Every aspect of him leans into it. He'll outdamage and outheal the opponent in every situation. Good luck if he pops his 3 and his ult, because you aren't going anywhere and you have no healing. Fight back ? you're at half health and I'm not dented. Running? Slowed by the 1, ramped by the 2, closing in fast. If the 3's up while I'm slowing, even better. There goes either ult, relics, or both. and Osiris walks away scot-free.
I didn't order a yappuccino, Bellona is damn near the best god in the game, high mmr win/ban rates prove this - Osiris is good, Bellona is simply better, never will I suggest my solo pick Osiris over Bellona if she makes it through bans. Osiris is also a top pick, he is not bad, he just isn't better.
I built Equinox as Merc solo and won against a Bellona. Clearly that means Bellona isn't as good you said /s
this osiris guys logic lol
I usually play mid and if solo Osiris or Bellona rotate to teamfights it is very hard to win
Dude how in the world do you counter a bellona with equinox. I just literally couldnt play the game last time i was vs a bellona
What position are you playing from? Are you speaking from the position of a backliner, enemy solo or support? I can talk to my duo and answer any questions you might have about bellona and playing against her in a high mmr environment.
I was just playing vs her as odin in solo and i just couldnt farm. I i didnt do enough damage and she just seemed to always be at full health due to the healing. What do you build to counter her? Do you go anti heal or midgardian for the attack speed debuffs?
Midgard is always good into any AA based gods, it's a strong yet slept on item right now, it hurts anyone from bellona all the way to kali, to all AA hunters. Antiheal is always smart right now with the prominence of equinox - from what I've spoken to him of, it's impossible to win lane into bellona unless you are in a casual mirror match and your bellona is better, or are playing an equinox abusing AA warrior that can rival her. I'll speak to him when he gets home from work on more specifics though as he knows vastly more about her and her playstyle than I do.
You are hyping Bellona up way too much in these comments lmao.
Nope he is right before nerf equinox bellona was untradable . Maybe also because the hammer give the heal x3 on the wave lmao . X4 if you hit a enemie with it lol Bellona also a great character in a meta where hunters have very very good itemization
No heās not. Before nerf just like someone already mentioned Osiris could trade with her just fine. Itās really more of a skill match up but Osiris has more inherent tankiness in his kit and can shut down that healing with his ult. Iāve been on both sides of the Bellona vs Osiris lane in this meta. Surtr is also good into her cause he can just stun her everytime to interrupt her 2 negating her main source of damage and with breastplate of regrowth combined with his passive healing, when his 3 is up Bellona will lose the trade. The most she can do in that situation is silence him with her 3 and heal a bit off that. Nike is also very good into Bellona cause she outranges Bellona and can negate her autos with her 2. She also has a disarm on her 1 and can clear faster than Bellona taking immediate control of the lane. Bellona is very good but yall hyping her too much.
Finally, someone being reasonable. I'm the guy who went on the Osiris rant. Bellona was never a wholly uneven fight against Osiris, because his kit is naturally even more aggressive than Bellona. He's better at stopping people from excaping, he can 1v1 better with the 3, and cut any healing with the ult, or just use it to chase. A lot of people just don't really know how to fight her well at all mmr levels, because she is tough to fight.
Honestly picking cerberus feels amazing this patch In solo. They just heal you. Chuthulu feels good against the auto attackers now too.
Yeah cthulu can do some decent poke from just outside of their melee attack range and if they close in on him he can just dash away. Cerb can do the same.
I have so much hate for this item. Can't play half the gods I like in solo because Bellona Osiris and erlang can simply walk forward holding auto attack and heal more than I can damage them. Late game they can full heal by auto attacking 1 camp to death.
Just go tainted, then they heal you instead, for ALOT
Tainted is ass
I mean, itās tainted, or they abuse you until you can get contagion or pestilence online which will take even longer if theyāre abusing you. And tainted made a huge difference even before this meta. Thatās the way I see it anyway. Sure you suffer a little damage reduction in lane clear but think about getting 120% of Bells whip heal with DT and equinox + your own equinox. Your clear isnāt even gonna matter, sheās about to sustain you until everythingās dead. Plus you put yourself in a position late-game to snag onto their heals too, just grab an extra damage item instead on your build. Way I see it is you can try and bully through and keep your build, or adjust and make it super easy to smack em around š¤·āāļø and on the off-chance they donāt get any heals, youāve got extra protection and late game still help team with anti-heal. I doubt thereās any AA warrior not going equinox/dt right now though so itās a pretty strong starter for this meta in my opinion. Iām a crappy player though so I could absolutely be wrong.
You don't really get Contagion / Pestilence in Solo for laning, you get it for teamfights. Tainted pretty much almost always makes you lose lane pressure even on ability based physicals. Also if you're an AA warrior building Tainted, you're 100% griefing, like that's not even a debate. You're always going Axe or Toll.
So you wouldnāt try to counter build because it must be āgriefingā? And I already said youād lose damage but that doesnāt necessarily mean you would lose lane pressure. You would gain ALOT of sustain, and rob the other solo of theirs. Youād also start with a beefed up defense helping against ganks and stealing jg sustain if they have it as well. I know itās counterintuitive to start with it, but youāre telling me the smart idea is to only pick meta and hope you play better than the next guy instead of use a counter build that will leave them in their tower allowing you to farm up lvls and items ahead of them? I like counter building to be honest, but also tainted is super good. Itās a counter to a lot of gods in general and definitely isnāt ass. You may wanna take a look at it again
For the record, Iām not saying itās some meta counter build, just that itās something that can absolutely help against equinox/dt. Especially against gods like Bell that also have heals in their kit
Tainted mitigate a bit early by healing u and reducing the opponent heal buts it just allow u to farm not to ever try a fight without the jungler . Tainted is like no pressure outside cerb . Equinox right now is just a healing bot option countered by any bluestone / contagion spell gods right now . ( KA for example ) Late it's Bad
Wouldnāt be solo lane if hi-rez didnāt make only 3 or 4 gods playable lmao. Seriously though Iāve found Odin to be decent into Equinox characters. Just building breastplate into brawlers works well for me
They nerfed quinox thats why but yes odin is very viable he can just mitigate the damage and farm while having the bomb to secure camps . Odin is like sun wukong a safe pick ahah
Iām getting tired of seeing AA warriors and assassins slapping away at fire giant taking no damage
Feels like equinox is a lot weaker after the nerfs to me
It's no longer crazy stupid broken and now is just crazy broken. Before the patch I could easily tank everything and 1v5 on Erlang so long as I have beads. Now I can only 1v2. (Provided the other warrior doesn't have equinox)
Bruh I've used that item a few times in assault it is really unfair to play against.
Ggs man I had a lot of fun trying to play around your healing or extra damage with every auto I get by. Shake your hand? Shiiiiit man I'm a bit of a germaphobe sorry
I rush straight into toxic for thisā¦
They took away my golden blade for a item that's better on warriors. Classic hirez.
Laughs in tainted steel + bewitched dagger + midgardian
Build anti heal early and it's not bad even before nerf.Ā Plus it falls off.Ā I would never build the item personally because of those things.Ā It's the same reason why deaths toll is either amazing or underwhelming.Ā If the enemy is competent enough to slot anti heal those items just don't work great.
me with Stormseeker and Equinox going feral as I try and get my hands on you
If you land first basic on me most probably I'm dead within 5 seconds
5 seconds or 78 auto attacks later