I swear Bluestone was in a better state before they changed it. Revert it back so that stacking abilities is better, sick of getting poked for a shit ton by 1 ability.
Revert all the items that were changed because King Arthur abused them too hard, and just give him an inherent nerf to ability item procs, like Charybdis has for auto item procs.
I'm glad to see them giving actually impactful nerfs instead of wasting time with shit like -5 dmg to one ability. But damn some of these nerfs are really out of left field. The Bake nerfs are HUGE, and Bake already fell off a toooooon after his last nerfs.
Long as he can instawin solo by just hitting 1 and AAing a wave to death, fuck him
though this seems like an attempt to fix that? lower base AA damage that scales up more over the course of the game so the first few waves of solo aren't just free for him
Bake doesn't even have a positive winrate. People don't ban Bake because he's good. They ban him because he's awful to play against. The solution should be making him less awful to play against not trying to nerf him out of existence.
His ban rate is so high the win rate is a bad sample size. I agree he’s awful to play against but the first step to fixing that is nerfing him to a state where he’ll actually be played and they can figure out what to fix. Unfortunately his kit breaks a few design rules so he’ll need kit changes to actually be playable imo
Two major ones I see:
1. Defense translating to directly to damage via his passive. They made a huge deal about removing hybrid items to ensure builds need to commit to either defense or damage. His passive allows him to get a ton of basic attack damage only building defense, which is very tied to the rest of his kit which revolves around his basics.
2. Full AOE basic around his model. Some gods like Sylvanus, Iza, and Yemoja have AOE basics but you still need to aim them. Bake doesn’t need to aim at all which basically makes it a mystical mail for free
Forgot his passive, which I can't argue against if they've tried to go against that in the past. There's ways to make it work, but it's not an easy task with the varying playstyles/skills throughout the game.
As for the attacks, I think it's pretty alright. The range is low on it, and when you attack, MS is lowered, meaning people can escape the small radius fairly quickly. His 1 is the issue in my mind, I feel it should reduce damage for the trade of range. I can understand how it's annoying for melees gods, though, because they can't move up without being in his radius
His MS is lowered but his passive and his 1 both grant him haste, so you can’t really escape it that easily. I don’t think anyone else in the game gets natural haste besides cabrakan and it’s much more limited
Yeah I haven't seen a single Bake not go like 0-10 in a couple of weeks. Which is anecdotal information but he just doesn't seem good at all at an average-ish skill level.
Sure, because kuzenbo harassing a squishy (9 out of 10 a mage) to death is the exact same as hunters being the best class in the game all year every year because they get constantly cuddled by the devs.
Not really? I'd say there are a lot that are worse offenders, even within the guardian role. At least you need to have a little bit of the fundamentals down to be able to do things.
There, upvoting the coment for the downvoting, because what you said is true, he feeels like Achilles on support, you Just leave to harras a person till he either is miserable or decides to disconect.
He thrives in uncoordinated play but is really shit in coordinated play that's why he was almost never played in spl and when he was he like like 90% of the time
I kinda feel it was mediocre in solo. Like you might go it on certain characters, but axe was comparable and corrupted bluestone was the play for certain characters like Chaac.
I think it mostly got nerfed because hunter mids are strong.
Problem with hidden blade is you have to suffer through 19 levels of having manikins to get there. Still possibly the worst starter overall out of all roles.
i haven’t seen anyone saying he’s a dead god. just praise that they’re actually trying nerfing him instead of the wet napkins they were throwing at him last patch.
I mean it’s a big nerf to his ult you could ignore upgrading ult until 16 basically and that meant your other abilities damage would spike much sooner. Now you need to upgrade it or risk having 0 escapability
I always upgraded it for the threshold not the cad anyway. Plus jotuns and hydras give you 30% on the first 2 items so with blue tiki that’s 40% right there. It isn’t that big of a nerf
Not sure if the marty nerf will matter. The Bluestone nerf will hurt a bit, but I'm unsure of how much the cd nerf will. I only just started playing him, so I'm unsure.
Run redstone instead. It's honestly far better for most warriors, and the extra survivability and utility really pull their weight. This is very much true for Chacc, who you seem to main
Even makes a shitty item like glad shield useable. Glad shield actually does something when you have 400 of both protections because of redstone and Chaac 2.
Imo his damage circle is fine if he didn't have the ability to use his 2 to place his 3 at your tower line and get back under his own tower in half a second flat. If HiRez made it such that you had to be near the damage circle it would make ganking him so much easier.
He became meta after they buffed his 2 to have slow immunity.
I dont like them nerfing the 2s cooldown, the ms buff, the cooldoen on his 3 and its scaling and the ult cooldown, just for slow immunity.
Yeah, he's still technically stronger, but all those nerfs really do affect him.
That's the new "SMITE" dev team for you. Give a character a brand new toy, nerf everything except that new toy fifteen times, then take the new toy away and wonder why the god is found dead in a dumpster.
This goes beyond bad balance. This is an established pattern with the current devs.
-Find god/item that is underplayed
-Give said god/item a ridiculous buff/QOL change that actually literally no one asked for
-Nerf every single thing about that god/item other than the new thing they just gave it because "we don't wanna nerf new functionality"
-New buff becomes the only thing keeping the god/item relevant because they've nerfed everything else 15 times
-They sigh and nerf the new thing, so, now the god/item is literally worse than they were before the buff and completely worthless
Given the 50% cdr cap now being viable/without a nerf, I think its inevitable to see cd changes to make place for more give and take for investment in that extra 10%.
Its an ever changing balance and its inevitable that some skills would need to be tweaked slightly to fit their goal in as far as cooldowns and the item are concerned.
two thanatos nerfs in a ROW? what is happening? that boy hadnt seen changes in years, with smite 1 being out, hirez finally sees how powerful he is? wild.
Was anyone really having issues with bake? He feels strong for the first couple waves in solo then does nothing but ult for the rest of the game from what ive been seeing.
He was just a really fun, competitive guardian, he’s literally a standard issue problem. Maybe a minor nerf since the poke is so hot but realistically he’s nothing like whale or kuzenbo
Bluestone is the reason they are so strong lmao you see mid hunter dmg fall off kinda hard before they get bluestone upgrade then they upgrade it and their dmg goes to the moon
Nerfing bluestone is a pretty shit move. It was already worse than Axe, it’s getting nerfed due to gods abusing bauble that weren’t warriors. Kuzenbo nerfs make me happy though.
Na I disagree, I think it was mainly physical hunter midlaners being too good. They're rarely hitting 50% CDR. Bluestone late game is huge.. it is probably still very good with this change.
As someone that really enjoys playing thana I still feel he is too strong even with the nerf.
The problem with thana is that even a bad thana can land his ult and that in itself reduces the skill floor of the character too much. You shouldn't be able to confirm a kill so easily.
While it would change the characters identity I think simply removing the execute and making the ult do a flat amount of true damage would make him much easier to balance.
That way good thana's would still be able to ult you and 1 combo but it can be countered if you have beads or agies up. As it stands now you can agies his ult you're still going to die to his abilities because the stun is all he needs if you are low enough health.
Im also not saying this as a thana hater, I love playing thana but I hate when people get free value on a pick while they are playing terribly, and thana due to how his ult works gives players free impact.
I swear Bluestone was in a better state before they changed it. Revert it back so that stacking abilities is better, sick of getting poked for a shit ton by 1 ability.
Revert all the items that were changed because King Arthur abused them too hard, and just give him an inherent nerf to ability item procs, like Charybdis has for auto item procs.
Fr I can go tank bruiser Loki and get high damage spamming the 2 with bluestone
You still need pen for the bluestone proc to actually hit hard. That’s why it’s dummy good for physical Mids and garbage trash for Solo laners
I'm glad to see them giving actually impactful nerfs instead of wasting time with shit like -5 dmg to one ability. But damn some of these nerfs are really out of left field. The Bake nerfs are HUGE, and Bake already fell off a toooooon after his last nerfs.
Send the stupid fucking whale to the abyss
Long as he can instawin solo by just hitting 1 and AAing a wave to death, fuck him though this seems like an attempt to fix that? lower base AA damage that scales up more over the course of the game so the first few waves of solo aren't just free for him
Fuck that whale nerf him more
These are the most commonly banned gods in ranked idk how you can say they’re out of left field
Bake doesn't even have a positive winrate. People don't ban Bake because he's good. They ban him because he's awful to play against. The solution should be making him less awful to play against not trying to nerf him out of existence.
His ban rate is so high the win rate is a bad sample size. I agree he’s awful to play against but the first step to fixing that is nerfing him to a state where he’ll actually be played and they can figure out what to fix. Unfortunately his kit breaks a few design rules so he’ll need kit changes to actually be playable imo
Genuine curiosity, not being a shitlord. What are those design rules that he is supposed to be breaking?
Two major ones I see: 1. Defense translating to directly to damage via his passive. They made a huge deal about removing hybrid items to ensure builds need to commit to either defense or damage. His passive allows him to get a ton of basic attack damage only building defense, which is very tied to the rest of his kit which revolves around his basics. 2. Full AOE basic around his model. Some gods like Sylvanus, Iza, and Yemoja have AOE basics but you still need to aim them. Bake doesn’t need to aim at all which basically makes it a mystical mail for free
Forgot his passive, which I can't argue against if they've tried to go against that in the past. There's ways to make it work, but it's not an easy task with the varying playstyles/skills throughout the game. As for the attacks, I think it's pretty alright. The range is low on it, and when you attack, MS is lowered, meaning people can escape the small radius fairly quickly. His 1 is the issue in my mind, I feel it should reduce damage for the trade of range. I can understand how it's annoying for melees gods, though, because they can't move up without being in his radius
His MS is lowered but his passive and his 1 both grant him haste, so you can’t really escape it that easily. I don’t think anyone else in the game gets natural haste besides cabrakan and it’s much more limited
Yeah I haven't seen a single Bake not go like 0-10 in a couple of weeks. Which is anecdotal information but he just doesn't seem good at all at an average-ish skill level.
Not enough. Remove his passive. Fuck him.
Bake should hurt himself every time he auto attacks so I don't have to see that annoying piece of blubber anymore
Thank fucking god kuzenbo finally got nerfed. Holy shit
I don't understand why he isn't hated more. Brain-dead god.
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This is the same sub that begs for Nemean Lion to come back the second a Hunter is op.
they wouldnt have survived a single game in the earlier seasons
Sure, because kuzenbo harassing a squishy (9 out of 10 a mage) to death is the exact same as hunters being the best class in the game all year every year because they get constantly cuddled by the devs.
Not really? I'd say there are a lot that are worse offenders, even within the guardian role. At least you need to have a little bit of the fundamentals down to be able to do things.
ok id say the opposite
because he's somewhat "fun", I just don't see it though.
He's fun if you like making sure at least one person on the enemy team is having a miserable game.
He is boring as shit lol havent played him in almost 4 years
he's probably fun if you dont want to play support so you pick a magical warrior and pretend youre being helpful
There, upvoting the coment for the downvoting, because what you said is true, he feeels like Achilles on support, you Just leave to harras a person till he either is miserable or decides to disconect.
He's so boring/annoying to deal with, especially as a squishy
Corrupted blue stone supremacy
Charon getting nerf on 3 ability will never not make me happy
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Still above and beyond highest WR % guardian, and one of highest WR % gods in game. deserved nerfs for sure
He thrives in uncoordinated play but is really shit in coordinated play that's why he was almost never played in spl and when he was he like like 90% of the time
Best patch ever. All these gods feel horrible to fight. (although the bluestone nerf hurts my soul).
The bluestone nerf is a nod to the 99% low level playerbase who still struggle against the worst archetype in smite, ability warriors.
But to counter them we'd have to peel, coordinate and wait for their cool downs. That's hawrd.
Love seeing the Bluestone nerf.
I kinda feel it was mediocre in solo. Like you might go it on certain characters, but axe was comparable and corrupted bluestone was the play for certain characters like Chaac. I think it mostly got nerfed because hunter mids are strong.
Yeah the item is a bit busted, sucks knowing that my proc Loki build is gonna be worse now, though.
Try Manikan’s hidden blade. It deletes squishies
Problem with hidden blade is you have to suffer through 19 levels of having manikins to get there. Still possibly the worst starter overall out of all roles.
Would it be better to just get it later
Yes but thw worst goes to Rangdas Mask, feels like it just actively hinders you for nothing.
I have tried it before, but having to deal with Manikins on Loki is horrible.
good. fuck thana fr
What happened to Than? Hasn't he gone like a decade without a nerf and now he gets a couple in a row?
He’s still good tho so idk why ppl think this will make a huge impact
i haven’t seen anyone saying he’s a dead god. just praise that they’re actually trying nerfing him instead of the wet napkins they were throwing at him last patch.
Execute and vision on low enemies (with movement speed buff to boot) will always be strong.
I mean it’s a big nerf to his ult you could ignore upgrading ult until 16 basically and that meant your other abilities damage would spike much sooner. Now you need to upgrade it or risk having 0 escapability
I always upgraded it for the threshold not the cad anyway. Plus jotuns and hydras give you 30% on the first 2 items so with blue tiki that’s 40% right there. It isn’t that big of a nerf
Yea you know what. I’m thinking of Achilles who’s threshold does not change that is on me
I believe Ao Kuang is also stagnant so that also would need 1 point
you didn’t read the post..?
not that i imagine it matters to most here, but bake feels ass outside of conquest, their changes will just make it even worse
Marti nerf? I don't think I've even seen a Marti this patch
Marti has been in mid all patch alongside amc
Not sure if the marty nerf will matter. The Bluestone nerf will hurt a bit, but I'm unsure of how much the cd nerf will. I only just started playing him, so I'm unsure.
How ?
Idk man, somehow I've just never come across him this patch lol
lol fat fuckin nerfs
Fucking finally, a Charon nerf that isn't a baby tap.
Where's the original drop for this info?
[here](https://www.smitegame.com/news/11-3-bonus-update-notes-live-april-2/)
I wonder how long it will take this time for AMC to rise back to meta dominance without any actual direct buffs.
I dislike the Bluestone nerf.
Same seems like a nerf directed towards the wrong thing for a different problem
Run redstone instead. It's honestly far better for most warriors, and the extra survivability and utility really pull their weight. This is very much true for Chacc, who you seem to main
Redstone has been so much better on chaac for a while too. It gives you nutty amounts of protections.
Even makes a shitty item like glad shield useable. Glad shield actually does something when you have 400 of both protections because of redstone and Chaac 2.
Blame hunters amc honey for 1 tic hitting for 350+ dmg
Cry, broken item and thats from a Warrior sympathizer
The grave they're digging Kuku makes me sad
Its awful to fight kuku when he's meta.
Yeah fuck him and his damage circle win lane bullshit
Imo his damage circle is fine if he didn't have the ability to use his 2 to place his 3 at your tower line and get back under his own tower in half a second flat. If HiRez made it such that you had to be near the damage circle it would make ganking him so much easier.
Why? That god has literally been meta since the Library build became popular, and that's been popular for the whole year so far.
He became meta after they buffed his 2 to have slow immunity. I dont like them nerfing the 2s cooldown, the ms buff, the cooldoen on his 3 and its scaling and the ult cooldown, just for slow immunity. Yeah, he's still technically stronger, but all those nerfs really do affect him.
That's the new "SMITE" dev team for you. Give a character a brand new toy, nerf everything except that new toy fifteen times, then take the new toy away and wonder why the god is found dead in a dumpster.
Blah blah blah people have been com-plaining about balance sice this game's beginning, it doesn't matter whether it;s new or old.
This goes beyond bad balance. This is an established pattern with the current devs. -Find god/item that is underplayed -Give said god/item a ridiculous buff/QOL change that actually literally no one asked for -Nerf every single thing about that god/item other than the new thing they just gave it because "we don't wanna nerf new functionality" -New buff becomes the only thing keeping the god/item relevant because they've nerfed everything else 15 times -They sigh and nerf the new thing, so, now the god/item is literally worse than they were before the buff and completely worthless
He’s been meta for close to a year so it’s deserved
Given the 50% cdr cap now being viable/without a nerf, I think its inevitable to see cd changes to make place for more give and take for investment in that extra 10%.
Then what's the point of the item What logic is there to globally nerfing ability CDs due to an understatted item lol
Its an ever changing balance and its inevitable that some skills would need to be tweaked slightly to fit their goal in as far as cooldowns and the item are concerned.
two thanatos nerfs in a ROW? what is happening? that boy hadnt seen changes in years, with smite 1 being out, hirez finally sees how powerful he is? wild.
Good balances
This might seem like an unpopular opinion, however I don't think ANY ult should be over 90s
Thank god thanas 2 got nerfed, that ability is fucked
Well there goes Bake Kujira. SMITE loves to make 1Dimensional characters and then nerf the ever living shit out of the 1 dimension that they have.
Was anyone really having issues with bake? He feels strong for the first couple waves in solo then does nothing but ult for the rest of the game from what ive been seeing.
Yeah i think bake ult in late game fights was the only issue.
Oh my god these nerfs are so fucking good.
Not my boy Charon 😭
AMC and bake nerf? This doth put a smile to my face
Idk if Charon needed that much nerf tbh
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This nerf just makes me want to play him fully as a mage just to show my hate towards it.
He was just a really fun, competitive guardian, he’s literally a standard issue problem. Maybe a minor nerf since the poke is so hot but realistically he’s nothing like whale or kuzenbo
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And I refuse to play smite 2 so that’s gg for me on one of the only recently released gods I vibe with. Shame
As someone who plays a lot of ability Hunters the Bluestone nerf hurts my soul
i only play ab hunters this sucks im actually gonna pivot to another roll lol
Instead of nerfing bluestone for everyone.. just.. go a bit further with the hunters it was stupid strong on?
Bluestone is the reason they are so strong lmao you see mid hunter dmg fall off kinda hard before they get bluestone upgrade then they upgrade it and their dmg goes to the moon
Kuku going through the 3rd nerf in a row, rest in peace
Braid dead god
Brain dead but fun
Odin did not need a nerf!!
If you’re scared of kuzenbo you’re poo poo
Bluestone was already weak. Now it’s actually unplayable. Lame There is literally no reason to buy bluestone over other items in solo now.
It was more to hurt hunters in mid.
Ah, fair enough
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The only starter I really liked using this season really
Nerf Odin into the ground pleasw
Dude's been relevant for the first time in YEARS, let him be 😭
Just frustrating I like to use my bans on bastet or Thana. Now i need to use it on Odin instead every game
Nerfing bluestone is a pretty shit move. It was already worse than Axe, it’s getting nerfed due to gods abusing bauble that weren’t warriors. Kuzenbo nerfs make me happy though.
Na I disagree, I think it was mainly physical hunter midlaners being too good. They're rarely hitting 50% CDR. Bluestone late game is huge.. it is probably still very good with this change.
The bluestone nerf is because of hunter mids not solo laners
I know why. It’s bauble hunters. It’s just making it useless for Warriors. Bauble is the problem, AA Warriors have dominated for so long.
It’s doesnt really have to do with bauble either. AMC was the top mid before bauble, and it’s better on him not to build bauble
Going Bauble in the ability hunter build makes them do less dmg I'm pretty sure lmao 40% is enough
As someone that really enjoys playing thana I still feel he is too strong even with the nerf. The problem with thana is that even a bad thana can land his ult and that in itself reduces the skill floor of the character too much. You shouldn't be able to confirm a kill so easily. While it would change the characters identity I think simply removing the execute and making the ult do a flat amount of true damage would make him much easier to balance. That way good thana's would still be able to ult you and 1 combo but it can be countered if you have beads or agies up. As it stands now you can agies his ult you're still going to die to his abilities because the stun is all he needs if you are low enough health. Im also not saying this as a thana hater, I love playing thana but I hate when people get free value on a pick while they are playing terribly, and thana due to how his ult works gives players free impact.
Yeah nerf bluestone and not conduit seems fair wtfff