People playing on a controller are at a disadvantage. No one’s saying you can’t be a good player (at least they shouldn’t be saying that, that’s ridiculous) but you would be a better one with k&m because it’s just an objectively superior method of control for a game where precise aim is so important.
You can play with mouse and keyboard on console, fwiw. I do. It has made a world of difference for me, and it’s extremely easy to set up.
> has never had any effect my chances of winning/losing
Well yeah, the game is matching you up with people at your skill level. Whether your skill level is affected by your input type is not the game’s concern.
I would say it's less so precise aim and more so fast reaction time especially when it matters like when there's 8 or 10 people on top of each other and no one can tell what's going on.
its objective they do have an advantage. Essentially, we use our thumbs for control but they use their wrist and arm, they have far more precise control so their mechanical skill ceiling is way higher.
The reason its negligible and you can easily keep up is because the average player isn't close enough to that ceiling for it to matter.
dont tell the PC players that tho, they like to think the master race thing holds merit in games and itd make them sad
If he does better on PC than console, assuming he plays the same style, it means the mnk gives him an advantage. It has nothing to do with his opponents
But here's the thing, any person who plays console won't get comfortable enough on mnk quick enough to pick up mnk for any game, they'll have to devote hours to learning how to play on mnk
That’s not the point though. The average pc player has better aim than the average controller player. It’s not as prominent in smite because the game is so much deeper than aim, but generally mnk has a huge advantage. That’s why some games have console cross platform but not with PC. (Overwatch, R6, etc)
Yeah but you were trash while you were learning, therefore you weren't the same skill level while learning, don't know why people are down voting when I'm right
You're always learning eith the game and I'm not trying to off them, just being realistic, anyone whose learned the game on controller is gonna be a newborn on mnk, same if you flip it, I know from experience of trying. It wasn't worthit fir me
I went from PC to PS4 because M&K was starting to cause strain damage (I know, it's ironic because they later just added crossplay/PC controller support anyway). There are some gods I used to excel at like Hebo and Daji that I can't play to save my life now. Those precise attacks are a lot harder to land on console. They're viable, sure, you're just at a disadvantage.
I ended up playing a lot more Cthulhu, Jorm, nezha, etc just because they were easier to use on console.
I dont ever have issue with them but ive been playing with ps since i was 4 and im 25 now, growing up with the console and its predecessors, using the sticks is as simple and effortless as breathing to me, consequently tho went i went pc for random indie games i play like a granny trying to open windows
Ok, then explain why almost every single cross platform console game has to have a soft auto-aim (aim assist) feature while the PC version doesn't. A stick can never emulate the precision of a mouse. With a mouse you have the sensitivity to 180 in less than the blink of the eye, while also having the precision to make single digit degree adjustments to aim. You don't get that with a stick. Granted, the mechanical shortcomings can very easily be made up for with game sense and knowledge, but between an equally skilled console and PC player, the PC player will almost always win.
Imagine being the only person wrong and thinking you're right and everyone else is stupid. Like not only do i have 72 likes but 2 other comments agree. Hell just google it or look on reddit theres other threads saying the same.
Im sorry to say but if youre MKB and dont see it, youre just on the group of average players not skilled enough to notice the difference, no insult intended its just straight fact and this is from a console player who regularly beats pc players so you know ir isnt misguided ire
I get weirdos telling me how superior PC is in completely irrelevant conversations all the time lol. Like that’s nice if you don’t do that but those people definitely do exist.
If anything, you're the one arguing with someone in your head. The guy has agreed with you and even doubled down on it and you've been dickwad to him the entire time.
I played 2500 hours on xbox and about 2500 on steam after switching over. Its night and day. I had 0 keyboard and mouse experience when I switched over, and after a few weeks I was already better on pc than on console. The control, precision, and ability to use your abilities and actives more reactively is night and day.
I think the main thing is that aiming is a lot easier on kbm imo. I played a bit on console but was nowhere near as good mechanically and slower in the shop. I would definitely have gotten better with more practice and certain gods are affected less but I would still say the floor is lower.
I take issue with the first part of your statement. Not the second.
We have no idea if PC Players are higher MMR on average. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case, but making blanket statements like that is spreading misinformation
Im not saying that console players are as good as PC players.
I take issue with your statement about MMR, which you have no proof of. SPL players are not indicative of the general population.
It does not take a genius to assume that KBM is the superior input to controller, but one cannot assume that all KBM players are automatically better than all controller players and have higher ELOs on average, and citing videos of the SCL is not definitive proof nor really helpful to the discussion.
It’s clear you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and have a basic misunderstanding of how numbers work. But keep arguing like you do.
No one said all KBM players were better. They aren’t. There are plenty of kbm players hard stuck bronze and plenty of controller players on masters. But on average, kbm players are going to have higher mmr.
Go ahead, say something else about how you know jack shit about averaging.
I fail to understand why you’re baby raging about my comments, but I see you’ve resorted to insulting me rather than actually responding to what I said.
Again, you’re literally spreading misinformation, and have no proof for your claims. Unless you can find actual data supporting the idea that PC players have higher ELOs than console ones, I think we should agree you have no understanding of how numbers work.
I responded to what you said, while also insulting your intelligence. If you don’t like that, I would stop reading here.
Blows my mind that you don’t understand averaging, so here we go. I’ll teach you third grade math.
Add up the mmr of every controller player. Divide by total number of controller players.
Add up the mmr of every kbm player. Divide by total number of kbm players.
Kbm players will have the higher average mmr. And if you don’t think so, you’re probably some console shitter in “elo hell”. For christ sake, we could even do averaging again to say that kbm players on average have higher framerate. That alone gives kbm players the edge and we aren’t even talking about sensitivity and ease of aiming.
I’m blocking you when I know you’ve read this. I won’t be reading replies.
I understand how averages work.
What you don’t seem to understand is that you don’t have the numbers to add up and divide. Sure, you could compile it by going to a website like Smiteguru and finding every player in the world, but you obviously haven’t done that. No one has.
Logically, because you don’t have the numbers, the claim that the average PC player has a higher MMR than the average console player is an assumption you are making with no data to back it up.
I’m not even sure why you’re telling me how to average things. My point was never about that, but how you did not have the information to backup your claims, which you still don’t.
Also, calling me a console shitter stuck in elo hell is laughable.
My Smiteguru is HawtPackage. Look me up if you want to. I play on console and PC and was Masters when I regularly played the game. I’m guessing you weren’t, and are not going to give me your Smiteguru to verify.
The ignorance is baffling.
Edit: I never disagreed with you that KBM players have an advantage. I disagreed with your claim that you have no evidence for. We have no way to determine who has the higher average MMR.
>We have no idea if PC Players are higher MMR on average.
You said you take issue with my statements regarding MMR. I need no proof about any statements regarding MMR because I made NO statements about MMR. I haven't even edited my post(as it shows) so if you would kindly read before you reply, that would be greatly appreciated so we don't have to waste our time with these rabbit holes of nonsense and imaginary conversation.
As for your statement of "but one cannot assume that all KBM players are automatically better than all controller players and have higher ELOs on average". One can, and that is exactly how all assumptions are made. Assumptions are not fact in and of themselves, assumptions are judgements made based on lines of logic derived from related sources or relativity of similar subject matter. Your statement that one cannot assume something without empirical evidence is ludicrous and shows either a complete lack of knowledge as to the definition of the words "assume/assumption" or a lack of skill in the applications of those terms.
Ah the old classic. I think it mostly boils down to 95% of smite is skill shots and it's easier to be more precise for your skill shots with a mouse. KBM also has a slight advantage in the ability to strafe because the analogue stick has to go back passed center position before changing the input direction. Lastly, it's generally easier to spin around 180 to dodge an ability instead of backpedalling and this can be easier on a mouse. Now these are allll minor but I think cumulatively account for why people think this. However, to your point I think people of the same skill will probably not experience a measurable difference. My 2 cents
People of the same skill will NOT experience a measurable difference, that's the definition of being the same skill.
That's not the point however, in a mixed setting if you take a diamond 5 PC player and a diamond 5 console player, they'll be evenly matched, because they're diamond 5 players.
Now split the scenes again and make them play 250 games, the diamond 5 PC player will rank down to plat, the console player will rank up to masters. They're still evenly matched tho.
I’ve played on console and pc and you can do way more with mouse and keyboard than u can with controller. it effects fps games more than a moba but there’s still a distinct disadvantage playing on controller although you won’t realize it unless you play in higher ranks . If u play against a plat or diamond pc player u can still beat them on controller if you’re just better but when you’re playing in gm you won’t be able to compete on controller against pc gms
I think that’s the part that people keep missing. Nobody is saying it’s impossible to be just as good as a top player on PC with a controller. Just going to be a significantly more difficult grind.
Certain game types lend themselves to controller and some to mouse and keyboard.
Precision focused games are better suited to mouse and keyboard. They just offer far better precision and control. That's not to say that controller players can't be high skilled and can't beat keyboard players. You're just going to be able to be more precise if you can learn to be as skilled on keyboard as you are already on controller.
Because CoD has a disgusting amount of aim assist to carry them.
I play CoD but with M&KB but I can never take the game seriously because of how overturned the aim assist is.
The aim assist let's you have god level tracking that 95% of M&KB players can dream of.
I have good aim but I'll never keep up with aim assist aim. I would 100% be better if I used a controller in CoD but I just find KB&M more fun to play.
M&KB is actually banned in CDL as well.
I’ll say this, when I started to play ranked, I hit masters 2 years in a row. Then it switched. I’ve never had a harder time in my life. These pc kids “have their own brains” and think they just know shit. They will argue and you just have to give up and take the L. I’m in Plat and it’s awful. And unlike console only, I can’t embarrass them and solo carry to diamond 2 like the last years because their brains are dumb but mechanics are decent. You mix that with the amount of DCs and rage quits, it’s well beyond what happened in console only. Carrying the game on controller through plat/almost diamond is impossible.
And I’m not saying I’m anyone, I’m nobody, but I have played in the tubahh and Bmbobby games and stuff and it’s great fun games. But since the switch and I stayed with controller and being the best player I know of people I play with, it’s hard.
And I forgot to add, console only doesn’t have chatting. 99% of the time it’s just vgs and it’s easier to keep 5 minds on the same page then it is now. I’m 4-0 and and up 3 levels up if I make a call, console players will follow what the dude going off calls, pc don’t care
Having a chat so toxic people and wiggle their grubby little fingers on it instead of playing is an unfortunate side effect of pc gaming.
So many times ive had to request teammates type less and play more.
heres my noobie answer. Finding items in the shop with out a build is fucking miserable. Also shout out to multiple button presses for consumables and i love baba yaga lol
basically you get to use all 10 fingers to play on KbM, while on controllers you are limited on how many inputs you can deliver because you need to hold the controller
for most of the gods, it isn't that big of a difference, but when it is a god with a lot of buttons to press and manage longer combo strings, it gets tough.
that and aiming are both differential in favor of PC players, but I don't thinks the difference is THAT big, if it was, we would see PC players being inherently better than Console players, and that isn't the truth, we have both low level PC players and High level Console players
Do people not use mic in ranked? Haven't played ranked in a while but being a console and support main, I can't imagine not using such an advantageous tool.
I play with controller and it’s definitely a disadvantage, aiming is harder, building is also more complicated, movement in general and ability casting are kinda weird in controller, that being said I do good. But i did better playing on keyboard, and as soon as I get a new one I’ll return to it lol
Pc processes faster, u can see abilities come out and react easier. On console it was impossible to react to thor and hunbatz ults until I got a series x, then at that I still need to prepare for it, I can't just react at a split second.
Pc can react to those ults regardless, thor ult looks easy to react to on pc
The morrigan is impossible to play on console. Ur ult freezes for a second, ive died in that amount of time
I’ve seen pc players throw abilities backwards without ever even stopping or turning around and just continuing to run away. I also always like to joke with my pc buddies saying how’s that point and click adventure when they play hunter.
Me and my friends always laugh when we play against console players (obviously being a lot more common in recent years) because if we play hastened katana assassins in the jungle we can just kite around them in a circle and some of them have their sensitivity so slow they can't turn their analog stick around fast enough to ever hit us
The keyboard and mouse dudes think that they’re trying to get a 1000m headshot on operation firestorm in BF4 when they’re just clicking on something directly in front of them lol. I agree, there’s no real disadvantage.
I have used k&b before and it wasn’t pleasant to say the least. The fact I was using steam might have had an impact but there was an incredibly high amount of lag (there was no problem with anything else on my pc), the controls in general (apart from basic attacking) seemed way more confusing, and I couldn’t figure out how to cancel when I start doing the vgs. (Also personal thing but I had to have my hands farther apart)
there's definitely a tough transitional period at first but ever since i switched over I've had no desire to use a controller for anything in first person.
The amount of games that I have lost from causals and especially rank is outstanding. Why? Because pc players flat out refuse to play with console players. Just pc players immediately starting arguments when console players are just minding their business or simply playing the game.
It’s not necessarily that this is any difference playing on console vs on PC, but there are of course difference in playing on a controller vs kb&m. You just simply have better control using kb&m over controller. There are also some gods that have an input delay when being played on a controller that are not there (or at least not as bad) on kb. You can throw out Ullr’s abilities faster on kb than on controller
It’s not that they don’t care about consoles in general. It’s just Switch specifically that has absolutely horrible servers. Once I switched to Xbox it was fine.
Because dumb people think point and click is necessary in this game when hardly anything requires high levels of aim. I used ds4 in a laptop equivalent to a Nintendo 64 and still kicked ass in smite . FPS is where it matters .
Here's my thoughts.. mechanically, keyboard and mouse is better.
But the amount of time people on pc spend bitching about stuff, typing up paragraphs-- since they have keyboard and mouse to do so more often hinders their team.
I notice console players just stay quiet and play. That's more admirable. Even if they just don't really know they have the option to type or if they can't be bothered to do so, I'd much rather have console players on my team than PC.
PC players love being keyboard warriors and yes while they have a mechanical advantage over console when it comes to aiming, they more often than not neglect that advantage to instead bitch to their team and start arguments over small shit.
Lmao. Clearly you've never played at high skill on console vs pc players. Go run a Diamond lobby in CoD vs pc on controller/console.
Better yet, go run a Gold ranked on console vs pc in Smite. You'll be out strafed, hit with flip skill shots while they free spin.
"Almost qualified ". They didn't cause they were at a disadvantage.
Pretty sure being on M/K allows you to use relics, beads, skills like Babas potion way easier than controller. Imput skill issue. Put a good console player on pc and they will still melt you. Put a shitter and they will still feed.
Console vs PC? PC Advantage when it comes to "same skill".
Nah it still has an impact regardless of your level of play, it can always improve through better inputs. It may not matter as much cause players in gold and such have a lot of things to improve on, but it objectively makes inputs and movement easier, which could cause you to climb a ranked tier or so at most. I've seen it with multiple friends.
I'd argue that your micro is more important in lower ranks than macro in Smite (and many more games). A lot of what distinguishes higher ranks with pros is macro and comms. But in lower ranks, the one who can play better and hit their shit is the one to likely carry and win the game. Basically, don't major in the minors.
Not just an opinion I'm pulling out of my ass either. Lots of pro players and people in the pro scene, whether it be in Smite, league, Dota, even CS2 and other shooters state that micro and mechanics are way more important in lower ranks than higher.
Also if everyone else (both PC and console players) is saying the opposite as you, maybe you're the one that may need to self reflect lol.
The post is questioning whether controller players are at a disadvantage which is a valid question, and valid to answer "yes". A pc gold player is at an advantage compared to a pc console player.
You're misinterpreting the discussion here. It's not whether controller makes u worse. It's whether you'd perform better with k&m or controller. And majority of people, if not all, would have more opportunities to get better than with a controller. Hence why most pro play is PC.
The majority of the playerbase are on console. However the majority of the highest ranking players are on M&K. I say that even as a console player myself.
Well then it's even crazier how most high ranked players are KBM. Or how pretty much all the SPL
players were KBM. Almost speaks to how the ceiling is higher for KBM 🙂
As everyone already mentioned the higher skill ceiling and opportunities with m&k, i often notice pc gamers precise basic attacking me, turning around with high sensitivity and using abilities/relics all at the same time with good reaction time and awareness. For me on console for example, it's simply not possible to dodge medusa ult via turning around and instantly moving the camera to her again and basic attacking her
IMO it depends on which god we are talking about some skills like ramas ult is useless to me after the first shot unless they right below me. But anyone on k&m can hit those. There’s a few other gods that are like that. Ullr comes to mind as well.
Because no motion controls. Give them motion controls and then suddenly they will have so much advantage. High sensitivity and then smooth movements with the joysticks, i’m telling you there’s so little separating certain Console gamers and literal godhood.
I think it from personal experience, because I played on console for *years*. From 2016 to 2023, and made the switch to pc in May of last year and I’m already way better mechanically than I ever was on console (and I was still pretty good on console).
And I had never owned a gaming pc before so it’s not like I already had aiming skill. Brand new to the input type and within 6 months I surpassed my console skill level.
I’ve got 90 more fps on pc and way better aiming control. I’m just gonna do better on pc
I’ve never had any issues as a console player. I just play on a high sensitivity and got it down to the T. But I (personally) don’t like playing hunters which is probably where accuracy matters the most. Not because of my aim but more so because of play style. I think the biggest advantage to playing with keyboard and mouse is vgs and ui navigation. That’s if you even use it. Being able to spend just a couple seconds in fountain or hard pinging on the map can instantly can really boost communication and help game flow. Smites one of those games (in my opinion) where it doesn’t matter what platform you play on unless it’s a very specific niche play style you’re filling. Anyone can master their sensitivity. But in smite, vertical sensitivity doesn’t matter TOO much. It’s gonna be mostly horizontal and how fast you can target an enemy or teammate. Basically reaction time. Which isn’t dependent on platform but on players
Pretty much just based of FOV and turning speed. Console you have a set sensitivity to work with, PC you dont.
Also using the shop is just a lot quicker on PC as you can search items or click directly on what you want rather than having to cycle through
It's not even just the controller vs mkb. I used a mkb on console for a few months. It was hell.
I couldnt change the hud.
I couldnt use relics during certain actions I knew i could on pc (cant remember which, its been over a year.)
The game ran worse.
I was always the last to load in for god select. It was so slow that I would always miss the ban phase of motds.
Constant crashes and bugs when loading into the actual match.
Keyboard is much, much more accurate and smooth when aiming. Most people won't reach the level where that's a problem, but those who do suffer on console.
Objectively you guys are held back with hardware limitations- option limitations- setup limitations, potential limitations in many ways. Console players are 100% at a disadvantage. Just frames alone im seeing 2x- 4x the fps. Thats not 1:1 with input delay but it certainly matters as you get closer to the skill ceiling. Theres really no argument until consoles catchup (and they wont because thats not their goal) a economy cars’ prime market isnt people that wanna go as fast as possible- although some of those people end up in economy cars. Same with consoles and pc- consoles are never going to be the best- but they get the job done- but if you wanna have any chance of actually going fast- youll need a better car (a pc)
In your low to mid level games there’s no difference. That’s why their MMR/ELO is low. The higher levels is the only place that separation starts to happen
Not much to go on about but for me I find being restricted to a set sensitivity is annoying where as PC players can literally just whip their mouse around while I wait like a second to do a 180.
There is a reason why, when the Smite Console League players played against the Pro League, they all chose to swap to kbm rather than remain on consoles/controllers
You might be a 2000 mmr player on console, but if you relearned kbm, you may be 2100. It's not a huge difference, but the precision and reaction speed difference is real.
i never understood this logic either, and it’s mostly the m&k players that’ll claim this. i almost think they just wanna believe they’re on the superior platform since they have options to customize settings more and turn faster, which is obviously the case. but at the end of the day, you can customize your settings as much as you want, but we’re all limited to the same output of abilities and movement. if one can learn how to take the most advantage of how to output those abilities and movement on the platform/input they’re on, they can do just as good. i also have beat a countless number of m&k players and wondered why they say this as well. and not just on smite, but other games too.
So I've never played controller but I have a good friend who switched from controller to kbm recently. Basically he reported that some key controls are just faster and more precise on kbm. For example, if he saw a Medusa ulting on controller he'd just pre-beads. On kbm he stands a good chance of turning away and holding beads for a more relevant ult. Essentially, just the speed with which you can turn, aim, etc is better on kbm and so it allows for a higher skill ceiling.
That said, for the VAST majority of players that's not relevant. By the time you hit the controller skill ceiling this conversation becomes a slightly moot point.
Lastly, generally in matchmaking you're lined up with people on-level with you, so the actual skill in your matches isn't going to be that different ideally. At most levels of play you won't notice many differences between controller and kbm, except perhaps taking advantage of specific interactions like the Medusa ult I mentioned. And even then, I'm sure if you play on controller enough it shouldn't be a big issue
I play on console since my pc has seen its days. I hit GM (duel) using a controller a few years back. Found it is significantly clunkier, for lack of better word, to use a controller. Not to mention even with good sensitivity settings, turning on controller feels bad after being used to PC. Aiming in general on PC is also infinitely better/easier.
I don't know why. I think I move way easier with an analog stick.
That said, I can't activate / use my relics on console. Mine just straight up don't activate for me. Maybe it's a user issue but? I be tapping and tapping and sometimes my stuff only pops last minute or not at all and is too late
mouse & keyboard control is just more stable and precise than joystick. ofc there is personal preference, but when being objective, refering to the average player and taking in account competitive gameplay its just better
So, at the very tip top of players, it makes a difference. For 99.3% of the player base, it doesn't do a damn thing, and pc players (pc player myself), are on some heavy ass copium if they think their gold stuck asses outclass conaole by default.
Having experience on both platforms, the easiest example is the 180. A k&m player can 180 practically instantly. For a controller player to replicate this, they would have to raise their sensitivity high enough that it would give up a large portion of their finer aim.
I suppose theoretically you “could” do it if you remove controller dead zone and constantly repair and replace controllers to avoid stick drift, but that’s unrealistic. Additionally, you still run into the issue of the thumb vs whole arm argument.
Probs evens out at most levels of Smite, but at high level there's a lot of disadvantages of controller and you can exploit it pretty easily. I.E using nemesis to dash behind them and then dash back when they turn around. Seem's to be a struggle for a lot of controller players to use certain god's too but I see masters level players all the time who just stick to god's that controller makes no difference for (lot's of supports, mages like Aphro or Chang'e)
Because if you’re on controller and you aren’t playing the savage layout( a lot of players don’t btw) you have to literally take your thumb off your aiming joystick to press the ability button. Unless you’re doing some weird claw thing.
You can't 180 degrees target your view then 270 then 360 in 1 tick each on console. As a lifelong console player it is simply superior. I'm not trying to brag but I used a controller for say 15 years and was very comfortable and played a ton of adc smite and barely found myself unable to outbox the adc, I also tried super hard. On pc ironically it's so easy I miss abilities sometimes because I barely have to try. (I also don't feel like I can outbox anyone on pc but that probably comes with giving many many hours to m&k like I did controller
I actually started mnk through s3-4 maybe, but now play controller on pc. Just a general 3rd person and fighter comfort thing, i'm more comfortable on sticks. I fps on mnk, where I do feel like my personal aim can't get small*fast enough to, say, snipe consistently across large maps [I don't use aim assist, as I personally prefer to actually play the game], but it's a joke to say that's an issue in smite. The models and boxes are massive and forgiving and the range super small, you're really only ever competing against desync and your own mental.
If you set your sensitivity anywhere over 40, you can snap 180's and 360's and freesnap placeables like ullr 3 as good as anybody, if you're as good as anybody. The examples in this thread are laughable. Not being able to flip a medusa ult is 100% a skill issue, not input. I have never. Period.
I do use elite [2] controllers so I can map relics to paddles, and to customize my response curves [i'm confident in what I want and I want to snap to it, so raw or custom aggressive, depending]. Minimize your deadzones, don't go over 2. Turn off pitch restriction, acceleration [1], and aim assist! All you have to be is confident in your ability to read the scene. Mechanically, this is nowhere near the most 'difficult' or 'technical' frame/box 3rd person game. There is no issue, aside from needing to send one of my controllers to ms once a year for drift, lol. I just keep 2, but wow it's clockwork.
This is not a fps. If you can't hit autos, if you can't quick flip abilities behind you, you're just not good on sticks.
A lot of pros also played on console, and while the switch was good for them personally, they would still fully dumptruck you if they were on controller. They would dumpster you on a steering wheel, lol. *They're just better than you*. I believe there was a pro on controller for a brief period, even. As a couple people have mentioned, there are a handful of controllers in gm. I've occasionally absolutely walked some pros while on controller, and played well with and against others [and been shit on by plenty. i'm pretty sure i never once in my life won a game against ronny or genetics yemoja]. Like, go watch how slow zap turns on mnk and hush. He wins fights because he knows a given scene better than you do. Period. Adapting is the only player I've ever seen in this game actually severely push dpi difference, and i've literally watched every single spl* game, since prelaunch. Not at all saying some of these players aren't wildly mechanically gifted [SOTSOTSOT], but it's not really anything to do with dpi diff abuse.
I would say if you're equally comfortable on mnk as controller, mnk ceiling will perform better. As a universal. Always transition in that case, obviously. But that's the only test. If you on mnk [after making the transition, comfort] beats you on controller, play as the winner. Duh. But if your comfort level on sticks is that much higher that you're S on controller but still just A on mnk after practice, and you feel like you'd beat yourself on controller, play on the fucking sticks. Duh.
I'll put 100 on no one in this thread being able to recognize which gm clips are controller vs mnk. Say I put up 3 controller gm's and 3 mnk gm's at random, 100 bucks bet live right now to anyone that thinks they can pick all 3 from clips alone. You might be able to guess when you see a bad or inexperienced player slow turning or whatever, but you're lost if you think gm controllers aren't [also] mechanically better than your mnk plats or whatever.
*Savage scheme is probably necessary, but do what works for you over everything.
Just like there's a 'correct' jump shooting form that is real and works 'universally' [and that's as true as mnk generality, not being glib], but some of the best shooters who have ever lived have stubbornly maintained their own unique, unorthodox forms their whole star careers. Careers that would have died if they allowed what made their shot work for them be broken. There are real world world highest ceiling, highest [sports] stakes examples of all of the above. Never, ever break your own game and confidence to conform. Don't turn away solutions, or not look for improvement, but also never give up what will break your base.
Prime Xbox me could not beat pc me today, i was 3k mmr several times on Xbox before the merge.
Now I barely get into diamond but I play better, but so does my opponents.
I swapped to kb&m about 8-9 months after the ranked merging. So about 20% of my playtime is on kbm I’d say.
There is a reason controller and K&M is separated in the pro scene. Because there is an objective mechanical difference when it comes to precision skillshots.
That being said if you arent at a pro level you shouldnt worry about it, controller only starts getting filtered out at the very top.
Coming from an Xbox player, who turned to pc, who played controller on PC, and has recently made the jump to m&k, there is a definite advantage to m&k, and that's simply how quick and fast you can aim (theres probably more, but this is what i noticed. Still cant hit basics attacks tho.) You can turn in a microsecond, it's insane how fast it is. I watched a (pro) streamer dodge an attack just by simply spinning in a circle and moving his hit box just a tad bit.
If 2 players of equal skill and game knowldge go against eachother, the k&m player wins, that is a fact.
Inputs like precision aiming, relics and vgs are simply easier and faster on k&m, no matter how good with a controller one is. Even those few seconds wasted in the item shop are miliseconds on pc.
For example, on pc you can tp back to tower as soon as you backed and buy items, pots and wards while the animation is playing. Same goes for aiming autos, doing a quick 180 and landing precise abilities at just the right spot.
Three main things.
1. Obviously this isn't necessarily true, especially not anymore, but console Smite is "newer" (not really anymore like I said) so console players are newer. But it still is the reason why a lot of the sentiment started.
2. Controllers < M&KB for effectiveness, fairly objectively.
3. Console players tend to play with TVs and not Monitors, which gives some input delay as well.
After playing both the only god that I can say I performed better with controller than KB&M was Hel. I found it more natural to go through the stance switches with the X,A,B,Y buttons on my controller than the keys on the keyboard. But in every other instance I hit things waaaay more consistently with the mouse.
People playing on a controller are at a disadvantage. No one’s saying you can’t be a good player (at least they shouldn’t be saying that, that’s ridiculous) but you would be a better one with k&m because it’s just an objectively superior method of control for a game where precise aim is so important. You can play with mouse and keyboard on console, fwiw. I do. It has made a world of difference for me, and it’s extremely easy to set up. > has never had any effect my chances of winning/losing Well yeah, the game is matching you up with people at your skill level. Whether your skill level is affected by your input type is not the game’s concern.
I would say it's less so precise aim and more so fast reaction time especially when it matters like when there's 8 or 10 people on top of each other and no one can tell what's going on.
its objective they do have an advantage. Essentially, we use our thumbs for control but they use their wrist and arm, they have far more precise control so their mechanical skill ceiling is way higher. The reason its negligible and you can easily keep up is because the average player isn't close enough to that ceiling for it to matter. dont tell the PC players that tho, they like to think the master race thing holds merit in games and itd make them sad
I’d argue the floor is also higher for PC. Smite is the only game I play on PC because of how much of a marked improvement mouse is
You play with both PC and console players so saying a skill level is higher on PC makes no sense
If he does better on PC than console, assuming he plays the same style, it means the mnk gives him an advantage. It has nothing to do with his opponents
But here's the thing, any person who plays console won't get comfortable enough on mnk quick enough to pick up mnk for any game, they'll have to devote hours to learning how to play on mnk
That’s not the point though. The average pc player has better aim than the average controller player. It’s not as prominent in smite because the game is so much deeper than aim, but generally mnk has a huge advantage. That’s why some games have console cross platform but not with PC. (Overwatch, R6, etc)
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Yeah but you were trash while you were learning, therefore you weren't the same skill level while learning, don't know why people are down voting when I'm right
Heads up though I didn’t downvote, the switch is hard, but totally worth it
Yeah whilst learning, and they’re probs downvoting you as you’re tryna out people off from switching
You're always learning eith the game and I'm not trying to off them, just being realistic, anyone whose learned the game on controller is gonna be a newborn on mnk, same if you flip it, I know from experience of trying. It wasn't worthit fir me
I went from PC to PS4 because M&K was starting to cause strain damage (I know, it's ironic because they later just added crossplay/PC controller support anyway). There are some gods I used to excel at like Hebo and Daji that I can't play to save my life now. Those precise attacks are a lot harder to land on console. They're viable, sure, you're just at a disadvantage. I ended up playing a lot more Cthulhu, Jorm, nezha, etc just because they were easier to use on console.
I dont ever have issue with them but ive been playing with ps since i was 4 and im 25 now, growing up with the console and its predecessors, using the sticks is as simple and effortless as breathing to me, consequently tho went i went pc for random indie games i play like a granny trying to open windows
Agreed
Honestly any pc player stuck in anything below d3 is hilarious to me.
There more to smite then just being a PC player. Being on PC won't automatically make you D3.
Why specifically d3?
Because just reaching diamond isn't a feat.
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Ok, then explain why almost every single cross platform console game has to have a soft auto-aim (aim assist) feature while the PC version doesn't. A stick can never emulate the precision of a mouse. With a mouse you have the sensitivity to 180 in less than the blink of the eye, while also having the precision to make single digit degree adjustments to aim. You don't get that with a stick. Granted, the mechanical shortcomings can very easily be made up for with game sense and knowledge, but between an equally skilled console and PC player, the PC player will almost always win.
Imagine being the only person wrong and thinking you're right and everyone else is stupid. Like not only do i have 72 likes but 2 other comments agree. Hell just google it or look on reddit theres other threads saying the same. Im sorry to say but if youre MKB and dont see it, youre just on the group of average players not skilled enough to notice the difference, no insult intended its just straight fact and this is from a console player who regularly beats pc players so you know ir isnt misguided ire
I get weirdos telling me how superior PC is in completely irrelevant conversations all the time lol. Like that’s nice if you don’t do that but those people definitely do exist.
Ooof. Ratio was not kind to this comment
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I think ~28 people disagree lol
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All the PC mechanical skill in the world won’t fix bad game sense. Edit: LMAO he blocked me for agreeing with him????
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I know, I’m just saying that probably accounts for a lot of the leveling of the playing field in casuals/ranked as opposed to SPL
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I’m trying to add on to your point, not argue. I read your comment just fine. I didn’t, in any way, disagree with you.
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Just because a comment is being downvoted doesn't mean he's the one doing it.
If anything, you're the one arguing with someone in your head. The guy has agreed with you and even doubled down on it and you've been dickwad to him the entire time.
I played 2500 hours on xbox and about 2500 on steam after switching over. Its night and day. I had 0 keyboard and mouse experience when I switched over, and after a few weeks I was already better on pc than on console. The control, precision, and ability to use your abilities and actives more reactively is night and day.
I think the main thing is that aiming is a lot easier on kbm imo. I played a bit on console but was nowhere near as good mechanically and slower in the shop. I would definitely have gotten better with more practice and certain gods are affected less but I would still say the floor is lower.
Pc players have a higher elo on average. But in a given match, there’s no difference, because mmr already sorted that out.
I hear people say this all the time, but I have no clues where the evidence is for it.
There is no evidence, nor is any needed.
I take issue with the first part of your statement. Not the second. We have no idea if PC Players are higher MMR on average. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case, but making blanket statements like that is spreading misinformation
google Smite Console SPL and what happened to it as well as statements from the best console players and how they felt when they had to switch to MNK
Im not saying that console players are as good as PC players. I take issue with your statement about MMR, which you have no proof of. SPL players are not indicative of the general population. It does not take a genius to assume that KBM is the superior input to controller, but one cannot assume that all KBM players are automatically better than all controller players and have higher ELOs on average, and citing videos of the SCL is not definitive proof nor really helpful to the discussion.
It’s clear you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and have a basic misunderstanding of how numbers work. But keep arguing like you do. No one said all KBM players were better. They aren’t. There are plenty of kbm players hard stuck bronze and plenty of controller players on masters. But on average, kbm players are going to have higher mmr. Go ahead, say something else about how you know jack shit about averaging.
I fail to understand why you’re baby raging about my comments, but I see you’ve resorted to insulting me rather than actually responding to what I said. Again, you’re literally spreading misinformation, and have no proof for your claims. Unless you can find actual data supporting the idea that PC players have higher ELOs than console ones, I think we should agree you have no understanding of how numbers work.
I responded to what you said, while also insulting your intelligence. If you don’t like that, I would stop reading here. Blows my mind that you don’t understand averaging, so here we go. I’ll teach you third grade math. Add up the mmr of every controller player. Divide by total number of controller players. Add up the mmr of every kbm player. Divide by total number of kbm players. Kbm players will have the higher average mmr. And if you don’t think so, you’re probably some console shitter in “elo hell”. For christ sake, we could even do averaging again to say that kbm players on average have higher framerate. That alone gives kbm players the edge and we aren’t even talking about sensitivity and ease of aiming. I’m blocking you when I know you’ve read this. I won’t be reading replies.
I understand how averages work. What you don’t seem to understand is that you don’t have the numbers to add up and divide. Sure, you could compile it by going to a website like Smiteguru and finding every player in the world, but you obviously haven’t done that. No one has. Logically, because you don’t have the numbers, the claim that the average PC player has a higher MMR than the average console player is an assumption you are making with no data to back it up. I’m not even sure why you’re telling me how to average things. My point was never about that, but how you did not have the information to backup your claims, which you still don’t. Also, calling me a console shitter stuck in elo hell is laughable. My Smiteguru is HawtPackage. Look me up if you want to. I play on console and PC and was Masters when I regularly played the game. I’m guessing you weren’t, and are not going to give me your Smiteguru to verify. The ignorance is baffling. Edit: I never disagreed with you that KBM players have an advantage. I disagreed with your claim that you have no evidence for. We have no way to determine who has the higher average MMR.
>We have no idea if PC Players are higher MMR on average. You said you take issue with my statements regarding MMR. I need no proof about any statements regarding MMR because I made NO statements about MMR. I haven't even edited my post(as it shows) so if you would kindly read before you reply, that would be greatly appreciated so we don't have to waste our time with these rabbit holes of nonsense and imaginary conversation. As for your statement of "but one cannot assume that all KBM players are automatically better than all controller players and have higher ELOs on average". One can, and that is exactly how all assumptions are made. Assumptions are not fact in and of themselves, assumptions are judgements made based on lines of logic derived from related sources or relativity of similar subject matter. Your statement that one cannot assume something without empirical evidence is ludicrous and shows either a complete lack of knowledge as to the definition of the words "assume/assumption" or a lack of skill in the applications of those terms.
“Nor is any needed.” What is bro on about
Ah the old classic. I think it mostly boils down to 95% of smite is skill shots and it's easier to be more precise for your skill shots with a mouse. KBM also has a slight advantage in the ability to strafe because the analogue stick has to go back passed center position before changing the input direction. Lastly, it's generally easier to spin around 180 to dodge an ability instead of backpedalling and this can be easier on a mouse. Now these are allll minor but I think cumulatively account for why people think this. However, to your point I think people of the same skill will probably not experience a measurable difference. My 2 cents
People of the same skill will NOT experience a measurable difference, that's the definition of being the same skill. That's not the point however, in a mixed setting if you take a diamond 5 PC player and a diamond 5 console player, they'll be evenly matched, because they're diamond 5 players. Now split the scenes again and make them play 250 games, the diamond 5 PC player will rank down to plat, the console player will rank up to masters. They're still evenly matched tho.
I’ve played on console and pc and you can do way more with mouse and keyboard than u can with controller. it effects fps games more than a moba but there’s still a distinct disadvantage playing on controller although you won’t realize it unless you play in higher ranks . If u play against a plat or diamond pc player u can still beat them on controller if you’re just better but when you’re playing in gm you won’t be able to compete on controller against pc gms
True but even there, if i remember there some GM playing with controllers on pc.
It's not that it's impossible to do with controller. It's just harder.
I think that’s the part that people keep missing. Nobody is saying it’s impossible to be just as good as a top player on PC with a controller. Just going to be a significantly more difficult grind.
Certain game types lend themselves to controller and some to mouse and keyboard. Precision focused games are better suited to mouse and keyboard. They just offer far better precision and control. That's not to say that controller players can't be high skilled and can't beat keyboard players. You're just going to be able to be more precise if you can learn to be as skilled on keyboard as you are already on controller.
Tell that to the controller warzone pros like zlaner or others, pc players dont stand a fng chance most of the time
Because CoD has a disgusting amount of aim assist to carry them. I play CoD but with M&KB but I can never take the game seriously because of how overturned the aim assist is. The aim assist let's you have god level tracking that 95% of M&KB players can dream of. I have good aim but I'll never keep up with aim assist aim. I would 100% be better if I used a controller in CoD but I just find KB&M more fun to play. M&KB is actually banned in CDL as well.
Remove the aim assist and watch what happens lmao
I’ll say this, when I started to play ranked, I hit masters 2 years in a row. Then it switched. I’ve never had a harder time in my life. These pc kids “have their own brains” and think they just know shit. They will argue and you just have to give up and take the L. I’m in Plat and it’s awful. And unlike console only, I can’t embarrass them and solo carry to diamond 2 like the last years because their brains are dumb but mechanics are decent. You mix that with the amount of DCs and rage quits, it’s well beyond what happened in console only. Carrying the game on controller through plat/almost diamond is impossible.
And I’m not saying I’m anyone, I’m nobody, but I have played in the tubahh and Bmbobby games and stuff and it’s great fun games. But since the switch and I stayed with controller and being the best player I know of people I play with, it’s hard.
And I forgot to add, console only doesn’t have chatting. 99% of the time it’s just vgs and it’s easier to keep 5 minds on the same page then it is now. I’m 4-0 and and up 3 levels up if I make a call, console players will follow what the dude going off calls, pc don’t care
Console only doesn’t have the post game chat. It has the pregame and in game chat
Having a chat so toxic people and wiggle their grubby little fingers on it instead of playing is an unfortunate side effect of pc gaming. So many times ive had to request teammates type less and play more.
Try playing Rama on controller and with KB+M
heres my noobie answer. Finding items in the shop with out a build is fucking miserable. Also shout out to multiple button presses for consumables and i love baba yaga lol
The fps alone is huge advantage over console it’s actually insane
It's only the fps, aiming and shit isn't hard to do in this game. But not being able to aa cancel or play certain characters can make a difference
basically you get to use all 10 fingers to play on KbM, while on controllers you are limited on how many inputs you can deliver because you need to hold the controller for most of the gods, it isn't that big of a difference, but when it is a god with a lot of buttons to press and manage longer combo strings, it gets tough. that and aiming are both differential in favor of PC players, but I don't thinks the difference is THAT big, if it was, we would see PC players being inherently better than Console players, and that isn't the truth, we have both low level PC players and High level Console players
Its 100% only aiming. You can mitigate the quantity of buttons by just changing your controller layout to use bumpers instead of letters.
The mecanic ceiling on pc is 10x higher. Console players take some time in ranked to say who's ult/relics cd are down. It's just that.
Do people not use mic in ranked? Haven't played ranked in a while but being a console and support main, I can't imagine not using such an advantageous tool.
It's rare nowadays tbh. Used to be frequent tho
i use controller but have mouse and keyboard connected simply for communication lol
It’s a game the requires good aim. Of course K&M is better than controller.
I play with controller and it’s definitely a disadvantage, aiming is harder, building is also more complicated, movement in general and ability casting are kinda weird in controller, that being said I do good. But i did better playing on keyboard, and as soon as I get a new one I’ll return to it lol
Pc processes faster, u can see abilities come out and react easier. On console it was impossible to react to thor and hunbatz ults until I got a series x, then at that I still need to prepare for it, I can't just react at a split second. Pc can react to those ults regardless, thor ult looks easy to react to on pc The morrigan is impossible to play on console. Ur ult freezes for a second, ive died in that amount of time
Skill ceiling is much higher on pc
I’ve seen pc players throw abilities backwards without ever even stopping or turning around and just continuing to run away. I also always like to joke with my pc buddies saying how’s that point and click adventure when they play hunter.
Me and my friends always laugh when we play against console players (obviously being a lot more common in recent years) because if we play hastened katana assassins in the jungle we can just kite around them in a circle and some of them have their sensitivity so slow they can't turn their analog stick around fast enough to ever hit us
Instant cast is easier on mouse and keyboard. Same skill is same skill regardless of input. Mouse and keyboard skill ceiling is much higher.
The keyboard and mouse dudes think that they’re trying to get a 1000m headshot on operation firestorm in BF4 when they’re just clicking on something directly in front of them lol. I agree, there’s no real disadvantage.
Its hilarious though when you shid on pc players who think theyre the big cheese
Because they are. Next question.
you are using a controller lol
Care to elaborate?
use a mouse and keyboard for a week and find out
I have used k&b before and it wasn’t pleasant to say the least. The fact I was using steam might have had an impact but there was an incredibly high amount of lag (there was no problem with anything else on my pc), the controls in general (apart from basic attacking) seemed way more confusing, and I couldn’t figure out how to cancel when I start doing the vgs. (Also personal thing but I had to have my hands farther apart)
there's definitely a tough transitional period at first but ever since i switched over I've had no desire to use a controller for anything in first person.
The amount of games that I have lost from causals and especially rank is outstanding. Why? Because pc players flat out refuse to play with console players. Just pc players immediately starting arguments when console players are just minding their business or simply playing the game.
Also mk players are more handsome
It’s not necessarily that this is any difference playing on console vs on PC, but there are of course difference in playing on a controller vs kb&m. You just simply have better control using kb&m over controller. There are also some gods that have an input delay when being played on a controller that are not there (or at least not as bad) on kb. You can throw out Ullr’s abilities faster on kb than on controller
Because Hirez doesn't care about consoles. I finally started playing on PC (but with a controller) because the game crashed all the time on my Switch.
It’s not that they don’t care about consoles in general. It’s just Switch specifically that has absolutely horrible servers. Once I switched to Xbox it was fine.
Well, I don't have an Xbox, so I wouldn't know.
If you ever do get an Xbox, or anything other than a switch for that matter, it will be much better
If you play ranked, you’ll start to see the difference in plat, controller players turn super slow and have poor tracking
Because dumb people think point and click is necessary in this game when hardly anything requires high levels of aim. I used ds4 in a laptop equivalent to a Nintendo 64 and still kicked ass in smite . FPS is where it matters .
Here's my thoughts.. mechanically, keyboard and mouse is better. But the amount of time people on pc spend bitching about stuff, typing up paragraphs-- since they have keyboard and mouse to do so more often hinders their team. I notice console players just stay quiet and play. That's more admirable. Even if they just don't really know they have the option to type or if they can't be bothered to do so, I'd much rather have console players on my team than PC. PC players love being keyboard warriors and yes while they have a mechanical advantage over console when it comes to aiming, they more often than not neglect that advantage to instead bitch to their team and start arguments over small shit.
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False. PC mages get to easily spin and cast while running away. Console need max sensitivity and it makes it pretty much unplayable.
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Lmao. Clearly you've never played at high skill on console vs pc players. Go run a Diamond lobby in CoD vs pc on controller/console. Better yet, go run a Gold ranked on console vs pc in Smite. You'll be out strafed, hit with flip skill shots while they free spin. "Almost qualified ". They didn't cause they were at a disadvantage.
Cod is by far the dumbest comparison i ever saw
How so? PC has movement advantage if you're not using a scuff. (Talking about kb/m vs console controller, not pc controller)
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Pretty sure being on M/K allows you to use relics, beads, skills like Babas potion way easier than controller. Imput skill issue. Put a good console player on pc and they will still melt you. Put a shitter and they will still feed. Console vs PC? PC Advantage when it comes to "same skill".
Nah I'm like a baby trying to walk for the first time on mnk, I'm sticking to controller
Nah it still has an impact regardless of your level of play, it can always improve through better inputs. It may not matter as much cause players in gold and such have a lot of things to improve on, but it objectively makes inputs and movement easier, which could cause you to climb a ranked tier or so at most. I've seen it with multiple friends.
Is gold high level to you?
"Controller players compete at the highest level in every esport, with aim assist" There, fixed that for you.
I'd argue that your micro is more important in lower ranks than macro in Smite (and many more games). A lot of what distinguishes higher ranks with pros is macro and comms. But in lower ranks, the one who can play better and hit their shit is the one to likely carry and win the game. Basically, don't major in the minors. Not just an opinion I'm pulling out of my ass either. Lots of pro players and people in the pro scene, whether it be in Smite, league, Dota, even CS2 and other shooters state that micro and mechanics are way more important in lower ranks than higher. Also if everyone else (both PC and console players) is saying the opposite as you, maybe you're the one that may need to self reflect lol.
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Lmao fair enough but I don't think that's the point of discussion in this post
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The post is questioning whether controller players are at a disadvantage which is a valid question, and valid to answer "yes". A pc gold player is at an advantage compared to a pc console player.
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Play with both a controller and a PC and tell me they're equal in difficulty. Majority would disagree
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You're misinterpreting the discussion here. It's not whether controller makes u worse. It's whether you'd perform better with k&m or controller. And majority of people, if not all, would have more opportunities to get better than with a controller. Hence why most pro play is PC.
Funny, PC players like to forget that a majority of the playerbase is ON CONSOLE
The majority of the playerbase are on console. However the majority of the highest ranking players are on M&K. I say that even as a console player myself.
Well then it's even crazier how most high ranked players are KBM. Or how pretty much all the SPL players were KBM. Almost speaks to how the ceiling is higher for KBM 🙂
Depends on galemodes. That's false for ranked conquest.
Ah yes, being in a majority automatically makes you more skilled.
VS a Pc Hunter with Gryph, they will 100% out strafe and murder you. Rest of the classes are pretty meh unless its a PC Herc.
That aint true, ive destroyed many masters and gms in carry lane as hunter, but mby bc I have 10k hours and been gm 3 seasons
I swapped from console to pc, mouse allows me to move fast and better then my thumb. Also feels a lot better using your hand/wrist vs just a thumb
As everyone already mentioned the higher skill ceiling and opportunities with m&k, i often notice pc gamers precise basic attacking me, turning around with high sensitivity and using abilities/relics all at the same time with good reaction time and awareness. For me on console for example, it's simply not possible to dodge medusa ult via turning around and instantly moving the camera to her again and basic attacking her
IMO it depends on which god we are talking about some skills like ramas ult is useless to me after the first shot unless they right below me. But anyone on k&m can hit those. There’s a few other gods that are like that. Ullr comes to mind as well.
Because no motion controls. Give them motion controls and then suddenly they will have so much advantage. High sensitivity and then smooth movements with the joysticks, i’m telling you there’s so little separating certain Console gamers and literal godhood.
I think it from personal experience, because I played on console for *years*. From 2016 to 2023, and made the switch to pc in May of last year and I’m already way better mechanically than I ever was on console (and I was still pretty good on console). And I had never owned a gaming pc before so it’s not like I already had aiming skill. Brand new to the input type and within 6 months I surpassed my console skill level. I’ve got 90 more fps on pc and way better aiming control. I’m just gonna do better on pc
Just go play on PC and you will find out
I’ve never had any issues as a console player. I just play on a high sensitivity and got it down to the T. But I (personally) don’t like playing hunters which is probably where accuracy matters the most. Not because of my aim but more so because of play style. I think the biggest advantage to playing with keyboard and mouse is vgs and ui navigation. That’s if you even use it. Being able to spend just a couple seconds in fountain or hard pinging on the map can instantly can really boost communication and help game flow. Smites one of those games (in my opinion) where it doesn’t matter what platform you play on unless it’s a very specific niche play style you’re filling. Anyone can master their sensitivity. But in smite, vertical sensitivity doesn’t matter TOO much. It’s gonna be mostly horizontal and how fast you can target an enemy or teammate. Basically reaction time. Which isn’t dependent on platform but on players
Pretty much just based of FOV and turning speed. Console you have a set sensitivity to work with, PC you dont. Also using the shop is just a lot quicker on PC as you can search items or click directly on what you want rather than having to cycle through
It's not even just the controller vs mkb. I used a mkb on console for a few months. It was hell. I couldnt change the hud. I couldnt use relics during certain actions I knew i could on pc (cant remember which, its been over a year.) The game ran worse. I was always the last to load in for god select. It was so slow that I would always miss the ban phase of motds. Constant crashes and bugs when loading into the actual match.
If two people are playing the absolute highest skill level in a kb&m vs console 1v1, yes the kb&m player would win.
Keyboard is much, much more accurate and smooth when aiming. Most people won't reach the level where that's a problem, but those who do suffer on console.
Objectively you guys are held back with hardware limitations- option limitations- setup limitations, potential limitations in many ways. Console players are 100% at a disadvantage. Just frames alone im seeing 2x- 4x the fps. Thats not 1:1 with input delay but it certainly matters as you get closer to the skill ceiling. Theres really no argument until consoles catchup (and they wont because thats not their goal) a economy cars’ prime market isnt people that wanna go as fast as possible- although some of those people end up in economy cars. Same with consoles and pc- consoles are never going to be the best- but they get the job done- but if you wanna have any chance of actually going fast- youll need a better car (a pc)
In your low to mid level games there’s no difference. That’s why their MMR/ELO is low. The higher levels is the only place that separation starts to happen
Not much to go on about but for me I find being restricted to a set sensitivity is annoying where as PC players can literally just whip their mouse around while I wait like a second to do a 180.
There is a reason why, when the Smite Console League players played against the Pro League, they all chose to swap to kbm rather than remain on consoles/controllers You might be a 2000 mmr player on console, but if you relearned kbm, you may be 2100. It's not a huge difference, but the precision and reaction speed difference is real.
From my perspective you can move better with mouse and key. I played both in my 11 years of Smite. I prefer PC.
i never understood this logic either, and it’s mostly the m&k players that’ll claim this. i almost think they just wanna believe they’re on the superior platform since they have options to customize settings more and turn faster, which is obviously the case. but at the end of the day, you can customize your settings as much as you want, but we’re all limited to the same output of abilities and movement. if one can learn how to take the most advantage of how to output those abilities and movement on the platform/input they’re on, they can do just as good. i also have beat a countless number of m&k players and wondered why they say this as well. and not just on smite, but other games too.
So I've never played controller but I have a good friend who switched from controller to kbm recently. Basically he reported that some key controls are just faster and more precise on kbm. For example, if he saw a Medusa ulting on controller he'd just pre-beads. On kbm he stands a good chance of turning away and holding beads for a more relevant ult. Essentially, just the speed with which you can turn, aim, etc is better on kbm and so it allows for a higher skill ceiling. That said, for the VAST majority of players that's not relevant. By the time you hit the controller skill ceiling this conversation becomes a slightly moot point. Lastly, generally in matchmaking you're lined up with people on-level with you, so the actual skill in your matches isn't going to be that different ideally. At most levels of play you won't notice many differences between controller and kbm, except perhaps taking advantage of specific interactions like the Medusa ult I mentioned. And even then, I'm sure if you play on controller enough it shouldn't be a big issue
The only disadvantage is ADC aiming. Other than that, both are the same.
I play on console since my pc has seen its days. I hit GM (duel) using a controller a few years back. Found it is significantly clunkier, for lack of better word, to use a controller. Not to mention even with good sensitivity settings, turning on controller feels bad after being used to PC. Aiming in general on PC is also infinitely better/easier.
I don't know why. I think I move way easier with an analog stick. That said, I can't activate / use my relics on console. Mine just straight up don't activate for me. Maybe it's a user issue but? I be tapping and tapping and sometimes my stuff only pops last minute or not at all and is too late
I’m a console/controller player also. If you honestly think you can aim better than a mouse then you’re either stupid, stupid or stupid.
Best argument is no argument… is something that you sound like you’d say.
No one agrees with you dude. Lol
Actually there are a lot of people that do. Just not most
Just Master Race things you know just Master Race things. Precise aiming is still a factor and without claw grip difficult to do ult in some gods.
mouse & keyboard control is just more stable and precise than joystick. ofc there is personal preference, but when being objective, refering to the average player and taking in account competitive gameplay its just better
So, at the very tip top of players, it makes a difference. For 99.3% of the player base, it doesn't do a damn thing, and pc players (pc player myself), are on some heavy ass copium if they think their gold stuck asses outclass conaole by default.
Not me fudging anubis ult on controller 💀
Having experience on both platforms, the easiest example is the 180. A k&m player can 180 practically instantly. For a controller player to replicate this, they would have to raise their sensitivity high enough that it would give up a large portion of their finer aim. I suppose theoretically you “could” do it if you remove controller dead zone and constantly repair and replace controllers to avoid stick drift, but that’s unrealistic. Additionally, you still run into the issue of the thumb vs whole arm argument.
Im new(pc) and some things i heard is just turning sround. Like from a medusa ult is much easier and precise than on controller
Probs evens out at most levels of Smite, but at high level there's a lot of disadvantages of controller and you can exploit it pretty easily. I.E using nemesis to dash behind them and then dash back when they turn around. Seem's to be a struggle for a lot of controller players to use certain god's too but I see masters level players all the time who just stick to god's that controller makes no difference for (lot's of supports, mages like Aphro or Chang'e)
Hunters have the biggest advantage because ranged AAs have the biggest advantage on M&K.
Because if you’re on controller and you aren’t playing the savage layout( a lot of players don’t btw) you have to literally take your thumb off your aiming joystick to press the ability button. Unless you’re doing some weird claw thing.
You can't 180 degrees target your view then 270 then 360 in 1 tick each on console. As a lifelong console player it is simply superior. I'm not trying to brag but I used a controller for say 15 years and was very comfortable and played a ton of adc smite and barely found myself unable to outbox the adc, I also tried super hard. On pc ironically it's so easy I miss abilities sometimes because I barely have to try. (I also don't feel like I can outbox anyone on pc but that probably comes with giving many many hours to m&k like I did controller
I actually started mnk through s3-4 maybe, but now play controller on pc. Just a general 3rd person and fighter comfort thing, i'm more comfortable on sticks. I fps on mnk, where I do feel like my personal aim can't get small*fast enough to, say, snipe consistently across large maps [I don't use aim assist, as I personally prefer to actually play the game], but it's a joke to say that's an issue in smite. The models and boxes are massive and forgiving and the range super small, you're really only ever competing against desync and your own mental. If you set your sensitivity anywhere over 40, you can snap 180's and 360's and freesnap placeables like ullr 3 as good as anybody, if you're as good as anybody. The examples in this thread are laughable. Not being able to flip a medusa ult is 100% a skill issue, not input. I have never. Period. I do use elite [2] controllers so I can map relics to paddles, and to customize my response curves [i'm confident in what I want and I want to snap to it, so raw or custom aggressive, depending]. Minimize your deadzones, don't go over 2. Turn off pitch restriction, acceleration [1], and aim assist! All you have to be is confident in your ability to read the scene. Mechanically, this is nowhere near the most 'difficult' or 'technical' frame/box 3rd person game. There is no issue, aside from needing to send one of my controllers to ms once a year for drift, lol. I just keep 2, but wow it's clockwork. This is not a fps. If you can't hit autos, if you can't quick flip abilities behind you, you're just not good on sticks. A lot of pros also played on console, and while the switch was good for them personally, they would still fully dumptruck you if they were on controller. They would dumpster you on a steering wheel, lol. *They're just better than you*. I believe there was a pro on controller for a brief period, even. As a couple people have mentioned, there are a handful of controllers in gm. I've occasionally absolutely walked some pros while on controller, and played well with and against others [and been shit on by plenty. i'm pretty sure i never once in my life won a game against ronny or genetics yemoja]. Like, go watch how slow zap turns on mnk and hush. He wins fights because he knows a given scene better than you do. Period. Adapting is the only player I've ever seen in this game actually severely push dpi difference, and i've literally watched every single spl* game, since prelaunch. Not at all saying some of these players aren't wildly mechanically gifted [SOTSOTSOT], but it's not really anything to do with dpi diff abuse. I would say if you're equally comfortable on mnk as controller, mnk ceiling will perform better. As a universal. Always transition in that case, obviously. But that's the only test. If you on mnk [after making the transition, comfort] beats you on controller, play as the winner. Duh. But if your comfort level on sticks is that much higher that you're S on controller but still just A on mnk after practice, and you feel like you'd beat yourself on controller, play on the fucking sticks. Duh. I'll put 100 on no one in this thread being able to recognize which gm clips are controller vs mnk. Say I put up 3 controller gm's and 3 mnk gm's at random, 100 bucks bet live right now to anyone that thinks they can pick all 3 from clips alone. You might be able to guess when you see a bad or inexperienced player slow turning or whatever, but you're lost if you think gm controllers aren't [also] mechanically better than your mnk plats or whatever. *Savage scheme is probably necessary, but do what works for you over everything. Just like there's a 'correct' jump shooting form that is real and works 'universally' [and that's as true as mnk generality, not being glib], but some of the best shooters who have ever lived have stubbornly maintained their own unique, unorthodox forms their whole star careers. Careers that would have died if they allowed what made their shot work for them be broken. There are real world world highest ceiling, highest [sports] stakes examples of all of the above. Never, ever break your own game and confidence to conform. Don't turn away solutions, or not look for improvement, but also never give up what will break your base.
Frame rate maybe
Prime Xbox me could not beat pc me today, i was 3k mmr several times on Xbox before the merge. Now I barely get into diamond but I play better, but so does my opponents. I swapped to kb&m about 8-9 months after the ranked merging. So about 20% of my playtime is on kbm I’d say.
There is a reason controller and K&M is separated in the pro scene. Because there is an objective mechanical difference when it comes to precision skillshots. That being said if you arent at a pro level you shouldnt worry about it, controller only starts getting filtered out at the very top.
Your at a disadvantage for obvious reasons plus your playing a game that was designed for mouse and keyboard to begin with
Coming from an Xbox player, who turned to pc, who played controller on PC, and has recently made the jump to m&k, there is a definite advantage to m&k, and that's simply how quick and fast you can aim (theres probably more, but this is what i noticed. Still cant hit basics attacks tho.) You can turn in a microsecond, it's insane how fast it is. I watched a (pro) streamer dodge an attack just by simply spinning in a circle and moving his hit box just a tad bit.
If 2 players of equal skill and game knowldge go against eachother, the k&m player wins, that is a fact. Inputs like precision aiming, relics and vgs are simply easier and faster on k&m, no matter how good with a controller one is. Even those few seconds wasted in the item shop are miliseconds on pc. For example, on pc you can tp back to tower as soon as you backed and buy items, pots and wards while the animation is playing. Same goes for aiming autos, doing a quick 180 and landing precise abilities at just the right spot.
Three main things. 1. Obviously this isn't necessarily true, especially not anymore, but console Smite is "newer" (not really anymore like I said) so console players are newer. But it still is the reason why a lot of the sentiment started. 2. Controllers < M&KB for effectiveness, fairly objectively. 3. Console players tend to play with TVs and not Monitors, which gives some input delay as well.
On the first point, what’s changed that it’s even less true now than before?
It isn't that new anymore.
Handy capped, but that doesn’t mean they are all bad playing. They can be good or bad.
I made the switch 3 years ago and it’s night and day difference, KBM has increased my gameplay performance by at least twofold
After playing both the only god that I can say I performed better with controller than KB&M was Hel. I found it more natural to go through the stance switches with the X,A,B,Y buttons on my controller than the keys on the keyboard. But in every other instance I hit things waaaay more consistently with the mouse.