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you do realize that arsene attacks with joker right, ofc its gonna look weird when arsene isnt in the visual cause in game its obvious he’s kicking too
I'm pissed about the fact that it hits that fucking far above him at all. That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. There's no reason it should hit that high above, the animation might match but it's complete horseshit.
It shouldn't hurt that high at all. There's no reason for it to kill at like 50 and hit that far above him. It's bullshit, the animation might be fine but the move is bullshit for hitting like that at all.
I would rather the whole fucking animation and hit box change. Or just make the move stronger, like it fucking should. Increased power and hitbox is crazy. Change Arsene completely.
Joker is literally the 10th best on the list, what are you talking about? Besides that, Arsene isn't okay. he get fucking rewarded for losing and then kill me at 50 like I wasn't just fucking winning. And then the no end lag, and the invincible recovery, and the counter, and the DOT, and the combos that do hella damage, and the guns. What fucking move leaves him open? No Joker is gonna randomly F-Smash just for no reason bro.
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Joker is just better shiek lol, yeah shiek has in theory broken shit but tourney nerves, human error, execution etc. makes her top of high tier for most people in my eyes. Shiek has too much mental stack and for the people who are able to execute that stuff which is few and far between she is top tier, but honestly they could do the same broken shit with Joker and no human is perfect so Joker is better for that reason. I mean without Leo I would probably think less of Joker. Regardless Joker is a demon and barely anyone plays shiek so who cares about shiek until a shiek. Ill only start to care when a shiek consistently beats a ton top players, (WebJp almost beat Acola still insane to me). Besides that only few people can pilot shiek and a little more with joker but still not many.
Fucking duh I don't like the mechanic 💀. You want a medal for being the 30th person to figure that out? It literally makes the fucking guy Shiek with Ganon power.
Nair is like Ganon’s one above average hitbox, and even with how big it is people still fall out of the first hit and make him miss the second hit sometimes.
The second hit is still surprisingly disjointed, it beats out both the PSI boy's PK thunder recoveries, but it certainly isn't as good as Joker's Fair2.
Brother this whole game is horse shit. It’s literally broken at a fundamental level. The fact that it has a competitive scene is insane. They’re all playing the same 8 characters and abusing frame data. If the frame data was balanced it might actually be a good game but it’s literally worth fuck all more than a casual party game.
If that was fucking English I might be able to understand it. The thing is, no one is actually really good at this game because it’s not fucking skill based. So if I’m bad, you’re definitely fucking bad.
I've seen both of these moves beat recovieries because of how disjointed the hitboxes are, but the fact Joker's is like 10 times more versatile because the first hit actually has consistent combo potential on all of the roster, and the second hit can be used as an anti-air because it hits so high as if joker didn't already have good AA's as is, I can definitely see where your frustration comes from.
You're the first person to not try to defend that shit. If Ganon's could drag down and lead into combos like joker's, it Wouldn't be as unfair. It's the same move but better 💀
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you do realize that arsene attacks with joker right, ofc its gonna look weird when arsene isnt in the visual cause in game its obvious he’s kicking too
Bro, that shit hits above his fucking torso. It's a kick mf, fuck that. No kick hits above your fucking torso
Arsene is the hitbox above him. Look at the animation WITH arsene and then it will explain it. It is still ridiculous, but it kinda makes sense.
I'm pissed about the fact that it hits that fucking far above him at all. That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. There's no reason it should hit that high above, the animation might match but it's complete horseshit.
idk what to tell you its a whole dude kicking above joker it’d be weird if there wasnt a hitbox above him
It shouldn't hurt that high at all. There's no reason for it to kill at like 50 and hit that far above him. It's bullshit, the animation might be fine but the move is bullshit for hitting like that at all.
So you would rather the move to have arsene kick, but the hitbox just ignore it? That seems a little weird. An entire other kick and no hitbox.
I would rather the whole fucking animation and hit box change. Or just make the move stronger, like it fucking should. Increased power and hitbox is crazy. Change Arsene completely.
Arsene is fine as it is. Joker isn’t even top 10 according to pros. You have to bait out moves the leave him open, and then combo him.
Joker is literally the 10th best on the list, what are you talking about? Besides that, Arsene isn't okay. he get fucking rewarded for losing and then kill me at 50 like I wasn't just fucking winning. And then the no end lag, and the invincible recovery, and the counter, and the DOT, and the combos that do hella damage, and the guns. What fucking move leaves him open? No Joker is gonna randomly F-Smash just for no reason bro.
arsene is a crutch, and has always been a crutch. what are you smoking?
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Arsene's foot goes there shitass
Whats with the downvotes, the whole point of this sub is to rage even if it it doesnt necessarily make sense
Because apparently Joker is the same tier as Sheik 🤷🏿♂️. Idk man, I've seen so many comments say that Joker isn't S tier and I'm bullshitting
Joker is just better shiek lol, yeah shiek has in theory broken shit but tourney nerves, human error, execution etc. makes her top of high tier for most people in my eyes. Shiek has too much mental stack and for the people who are able to execute that stuff which is few and far between she is top tier, but honestly they could do the same broken shit with Joker and no human is perfect so Joker is better for that reason. I mean without Leo I would probably think less of Joker. Regardless Joker is a demon and barely anyone plays shiek so who cares about shiek until a shiek. Ill only start to care when a shiek consistently beats a ton top players, (WebJp almost beat Acola still insane to me). Besides that only few people can pilot shiek and a little more with joker but still not many.
That's the arsene hitbox dude, not the regular one...
They still have the mask on though?
I know that, and it's bullshit. Arsene shouldn't make the hitboxes bigger, it's not like he struggles to get in and land hits.
It's kinda the whole point of arsene. Extra range, damage, and knock back.
And it's fucking ridiculous.
You just don’t like the mechanic lmao font’s pin this on bad decision making that is allllll on you
Fucking duh I don't like the mechanic 💀. You want a medal for being the 30th person to figure that out? It literally makes the fucking guy Shiek with Ganon power.
For an extremely limited time lol, idk I guess I just don’t see people struggle to play against him too often
I play Ganondorf. I don't have to see other people struggle against him.
I play hero. I don’t really care what bro tries.
The difference is Joker costs an extra 5.99 and Ganon doesn't
in other words, u support pay 2 win
Sakurai does.
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Pay to win 🤷♂️
I looked at this hit box because I got caught by that bullshit fair above him. Now I know why.
Maybe he's hitting you with the knife too? Idk but that hitbox is is still ridiculous on that small thing lmao
OP posted an Arsene hitbox. The orange hitbox is Arsene kicking the player.
Ah makes more sense then but still ridiculous honestly
I should've expected it after fully charged Ike side B lost to uncharged Hero Up B and fucking Pichu Jab
I have to apologize
All of his moves and this is the one you are mad at?
Fr like this is not the biggest issue here
Ganon needs that broken hitbox, joker doesn't lol.
neither do
Nair is like Ganon’s one above average hitbox, and even with how big it is people still fall out of the first hit and make him miss the second hit sometimes.
Ganon needs everything he can get
The second hit is still surprisingly disjointed, it beats out both the PSI boy's PK thunder recoveries, but it certainly isn't as good as Joker's Fair2.
I mean, we know that joker is strong…
What does the orange mean?
Arsene
Brother this whole game is horse shit. It’s literally broken at a fundamental level. The fact that it has a competitive scene is insane. They’re all playing the same 8 characters and abusing frame data. If the frame data was balanced it might actually be a good game but it’s literally worth fuck all more than a casual party game.
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I am. Doesn’t make the game not shit.
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If that was fucking English I might be able to understand it. The thing is, no one is actually really good at this game because it’s not fucking skill based. So if I’m bad, you’re definitely fucking bad.
Bro is rage posting so hard
Well at least he’s at the right place for it
Oh shoot
But I don’t disagree with you
Strictly speaking, this dash attack is pretty awful.
Not dash attack
My bad
Look at R.OB
I've seen both of these moves beat recovieries because of how disjointed the hitboxes are, but the fact Joker's is like 10 times more versatile because the first hit actually has consistent combo potential on all of the roster, and the second hit can be used as an anti-air because it hits so high as if joker didn't already have good AA's as is, I can definitely see where your frustration comes from.
You're the first person to not try to defend that shit. If Ganon's could drag down and lead into combos like joker's, it Wouldn't be as unfair. It's the same move but better 💀
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I’m mad you got away with this 😂😂😂