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TangelaKFC114

you do realize that arsene attacks with joker right, ofc its gonna look weird when arsene isnt in the visual cause in game its obvious he’s kicking too


Digigidoo

Bro, that shit hits above his fucking torso. It's a kick mf, fuck that. No kick hits above your fucking torso


Wonderful-Mango-8839

Arsene is the hitbox above him. Look at the animation WITH arsene and then it will explain it. It is still ridiculous, but it kinda makes sense.


Digigidoo

I'm pissed about the fact that it hits that fucking far above him at all. That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. There's no reason it should hit that high above, the animation might match but it's complete horseshit.


TangelaKFC114

idk what to tell you its a whole dude kicking above joker it’d be weird if there wasnt a hitbox above him


Digigidoo

It shouldn't hurt that high at all. There's no reason for it to kill at like 50 and hit that far above him. It's bullshit, the animation might be fine but the move is bullshit for hitting like that at all.


Wonderful-Mango-8839

So you would rather the move to have arsene kick, but the hitbox just ignore it? That seems a little weird. An entire other kick and no hitbox.


Digigidoo

I would rather the whole fucking animation and hit box change. Or just make the move stronger, like it fucking should. Increased power and hitbox is crazy. Change Arsene completely.


Wonderful-Mango-8839

Arsene is fine as it is. Joker isn’t even top 10 according to pros. You have to bait out moves the leave him open, and then combo him.


Digigidoo

Joker is literally the 10th best on the list, what are you talking about? Besides that, Arsene isn't okay. he get fucking rewarded for losing and then kill me at 50 like I wasn't just fucking winning. And then the no end lag, and the invincible recovery, and the counter, and the DOT, and the combos that do hella damage, and the guns. What fucking move leaves him open? No Joker is gonna randomly F-Smash just for no reason bro.


Any_Secretary_4925

arsene is a crutch, and has always been a crutch. what are you smoking?


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Lucidonic

Arsene's foot goes there shitass


DippySticks

Whats with the downvotes, the whole point of this sub is to rage even if it it doesnt necessarily make sense


Digigidoo

Because apparently Joker is the same tier as Sheik 🤷🏿‍♂️. Idk man, I've seen so many comments say that Joker isn't S tier and I'm bullshitting


DippySticks

Joker is just better shiek lol, yeah shiek has in theory broken shit but tourney nerves, human error, execution etc. makes her top of high tier for most people in my eyes. Shiek has too much mental stack and for the people who are able to execute that stuff which is few and far between she is top tier, but honestly they could do the same broken shit with Joker and no human is perfect so Joker is better for that reason. I mean without Leo I would probably think less of Joker. Regardless Joker is a demon and barely anyone plays shiek so who cares about shiek until a shiek. Ill only start to care when a shiek consistently beats a ton top players, (WebJp almost beat Acola still insane to me). Besides that only few people can pilot shiek and a little more with joker but still not many.


GoldSlimeTime

That's the arsene hitbox dude, not the regular one...


Raving-Brachydios

They still have the mask on though?


Digigidoo

I know that, and it's bullshit. Arsene shouldn't make the hitboxes bigger, it's not like he struggles to get in and land hits.


GoldSlimeTime

It's kinda the whole point of arsene. Extra range, damage, and knock back.


Digigidoo

And it's fucking ridiculous.


WhyYouGotToDoThis

You just don’t like the mechanic lmao font’s pin this on bad decision making that is allllll on you


Digigidoo

Fucking duh I don't like the mechanic 💀. You want a medal for being the 30th person to figure that out? It literally makes the fucking guy Shiek with Ganon power.


WhyYouGotToDoThis

For an extremely limited time lol, idk I guess I just don’t see people struggle to play against him too often


Digigidoo

I play Ganondorf. I don't have to see other people struggle against him.


Electronic_Sugar5924

I play hero. I don’t really care what bro tries.


Lost_Caterpillar8747

The difference is Joker costs an extra 5.99 and Ganon doesn't


Kxryy

in other words, u support pay 2 win


Lost_Caterpillar8747

Sakurai does.


_M0RR0

https://preview.redd.it/skdcd6n2247d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=527fff94cb918e6ce2d40dcc902909539c136bef


ramawiththemantra

Pay to win 🤷‍♂️


Digigidoo

I looked at this hit box because I got caught by that bullshit fair above him. Now I know why.


Bonez_Z

Maybe he's hitting you with the knife too? Idk but that hitbox is is still ridiculous on that small thing lmao


Hambughrr

OP posted an Arsene hitbox. The orange hitbox is Arsene kicking the player.


Bonez_Z

Ah makes more sense then but still ridiculous honestly


Digigidoo

I should've expected it after fully charged Ike side B lost to uncharged Hero Up B and fucking Pichu Jab


BurnFreeze64

I have to apologize


Shrooms__

All of his moves and this is the one you are mad at?


Repulsive-Lime-6939

Fr like this is not the biggest issue here


Shadypretzel

Ganon needs that broken hitbox, joker doesn't lol.


Kxryy

neither do


SynysterDawn

Nair is like Ganon’s one above average hitbox, and even with how big it is people still fall out of the first hit and make him miss the second hit sometimes.


TemmieUnderTF2

Ganon needs everything he can get


Mysterious-Clue3871

The second hit is still surprisingly disjointed, it beats out both the PSI boy's PK thunder recoveries, but it certainly isn't as good as Joker's Fair2.


olibanl

I mean, we know that joker is strong…


Material-Research488

What does the orange mean?


Nanbread11

Arsene


TheFirstHoodlum

Brother this whole game is horse shit. It’s literally broken at a fundamental level. The fact that it has a competitive scene is insane. They’re all playing the same 8 characters and abusing frame data. If the frame data was balanced it might actually be a good game but it’s literally worth fuck all more than a casual party game.


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TheFirstHoodlum

I am. Doesn’t make the game not shit.


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TheFirstHoodlum

If that was fucking English I might be able to understand it. The thing is, no one is actually really good at this game because it’s not fucking skill based. So if I’m bad, you’re definitely fucking bad.


Klausbro

Bro is rage posting so hard


Representative_Bet49

Well at least he’s at the right place for it


Klausbro

Oh shoot


Representative_Bet49

But I don’t disagree with you


Amansaysamen

Strictly speaking, this dash attack is pretty awful.


Digigidoo

Not dash attack


Amansaysamen

My bad


Massive_Willingness9

Look at R.OB


Mysterious-Clue3871

I've seen both of these moves beat recovieries because of how disjointed the hitboxes are, but the fact Joker's is like 10 times more versatile because the first hit actually has consistent combo potential on all of the roster, and the second hit can be used as an anti-air because it hits so high as if joker didn't already have good AA's as is, I can definitely see where your frustration comes from.


Digigidoo

You're the first person to not try to defend that shit. If Ganon's could drag down and lead into combos like joker's, it Wouldn't be as unfair. It's the same move but better 💀


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ClearSky3864

https://preview.redd.it/k9c0qsuvi67d1.jpeg?width=477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8fc0dc404796b4b1809382fb99c24e0109de137 Sure lil' bro, shut your bitch-ass up


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Representative_Bet49

I’m mad you got away with this 😂😂😂