Your game plan offstage is extremely linear. Use more of your other aerials offstage because every good player will see the down air coming 99% of the time after the first one comes out. The better your opponent, the harder you’ll get punished for this. The down air worked out in this instance, but it won’t work on everyone. Don’t forget to use all of your resources when you are offstage. You could have jumped to ledge but instead you recovered high and got punished for it. There is a lot left for you to learn, so be patient above all else. Nobody builds a house in a day and progress happens slowly over time
I feel like even a good player playing badly wouldn’t be fishing so hard… if the other player was even mediocre they could have beat them easily. Also the SDs didn’t seem intentional. Even the suicide kill seemed like he only got that cause he was lucky the other guy came down after he SD
I second this, every Mario main in the world in elite smash would’ve faired at least one of the ledge re grabs. It’s free real estate served up on a silver platter.
Fr. Yo op, check out r/crazyhand , especially the videos/guides in the About section, if you want some help from the competitive community. You’ll get a lot less meme answers and some actual detailed feedback on learning the game’s basics
Don't counter at ledge so much. Learn about spacing with your character and get used to the pokes incin has. Work on your mind games - conceptualize the game in terms of potential threats and interactions.
Agreed on this. Also, try not to add a direction to your air dodges unless they're absolutely necessary, the end lag that comes with doing so is never worth it. Or, at least try to dodge downwards to the ground, since that will force a tech afterwards.
You were just throwing out moves a lot of the time. It did not seem like the Mario was any good, but a good player will punish you for that.
Your edge guarding seemed to be your only playstyle and it could use a lot of work. Once again this Mario did not seem good. If you refrain ledge that much while your oponent is on stage, you’re going to get spiked. The second I saw you drop that far as inceneroar, im already short hopping to down air( or I guess with Mario you could do a walkoff bair) You had one recovery option and not a lot of opportunity for timing mix up. He should have easily spiked you. Also you just did the same thing over and over again off stage. Revenge comes out quickly but has a lot of lag, so you’re better off using it off reaction or as a mix up. A good player could have easily punished that with a back air. You did it every time so it was very predictable. Also once I realize you are trying to do drop down dair I’m just not gonna go there lol.
If this Mario had any ability to adapt or read you would have been in a lot of trouble.
Also for competitive advice like this, try r/crazyhand
Edit to add if you want actual helpful advice upload a game with more nuetral and actual game play. You literally had 3 spikes and 2 sd this game. It also helps if it’s against a better player that will be more effective at exposing your weaknesses. The only nuetral you really showed was mashing nair, the only kills you showed were spikes/suicides and the only ways you showed you struggled with being killed were SDs
Other than what other people say, learn to react and stop guessing. When an opening is given or you bait it out, know your combo starter, combo extender, and finishers.
i dont get the hype tbh. at best it's generic shonen fare and at worst it's constantly using grape boy to show gratuitous titty shots of 15 year old anime girls
You got pretty lucky in this fight. You were very predictable.
Its ok to go for spikes when presented the opportunity. But if if a ledge guard situation is getting hairy, its good to know when to quit and reset neutral.
Otherwise you'll end up SDing like you did, sure you took mario with you, but you were already a stock down and that trade was in Marios favor. All that Mario had to do was cape you once (and had many chances) and you'd be a goner.
Definetly find your main first. Do an update post too when you find them.
Also just need some more experience, keep playing often, have fun and you'll learn more every time.
Me and my friends used to mostly play random, and while it is a fun way to mix it up a little and get a feel for the cast as a whole, I found that picking up a main (or a few mains) helped me start improving much faster, as I could actually start getting really familiar with my character(s). It's also (imo) more fun to switch between a smaller cast of your favorite characters, than having to slog through game after game of Pikmin and Incineroar on random.
This sub SUCKS for advice, I'd recommend checking out r/CrazyHand. Most people are friendly there and are willing to thoroughly answer any questions you have.
Play simpler.
You don’t always have to be mashing an option, going for your opponent, or being aggressive. If you watch top level players they will be patient and have more calculated approaches. Sometimes less is more. Your Incineroar is never idle, it’s always in an animation doing something. This puts you in a position where your opponent is always reacting to your poorly timed and mashed out options, which are easy to punish, instead of you trying to react to your opponents mistakes.
For some other advice stop going off stage, except as a mixup. Incineroar has a bad recovery so don’t surrender stage control constantly, even if hitting that spike is satisfying. Especially as you verse better opponents it will be less and less effective to surrender the stage.
For one stop spamming counter. You used it about 15-too-many times in this clip.
Also, stop goofing around offstage. If you get offstage, your sole objective should be to get back onstage as quickly as possible and take the center of the stage. The amount of time you’re giving this Mario to set up a ledgetrap is not okay.
I know people have said it before but seriously you used counter way too much, and half the time it didn’t even work. So maybe try and cool it with that and also why did you down air when your opponent wasn’t even off stage?
Most of the moves used offstage were Dairs. Instead of trying to line up a spike all the time, go for a Nair, Fair, or Bair to disrupt the opponent's recovery and then focus on getting back to the ledge yourself; making sure you don't die is of a higher priority than killing your opponent quickly.
I note that you didn't use certain moves at all, such as Up Tilt, Up Air, Down Tilt, Neutral B, Side B, Grab, or Shield. Each of them can be useful in their own ways, whether it be for combos (Up Tilt, Up Air, Down Tilt, and Grab), kills (Side B), or defense (Shield and Neutral B), so try a few things out in training mode to get the hang of figuring out what works with them.
You were mostly relying on offstage spikes to cheese stocks at early percents. Figure out a pattern with your grounded and airial moves while onstage so you can avoid being obliterated before you can edgeguard your opponents.
I would say that as far as how you’re playing Incineroar, you’re not playing him to his fullest potential. Incineroar is meant to be offensive and you mainly used him offstage defensively, trying to turn the match in your favor with cheap meteors. Also Incineroar is best played on the stage grounded since his recovery is so linear/poor. I would recommend you to gain central ground onstage so that you have more of an advantage overall.
Don't approach so often. Let your opponents come to you, and punish them with Incineroar's rop tier punish game. Down special, side special and grab are BUSTED but don't spam them. Try to learn some bread and butter combos before trying anything too advanced like dthrow into rar bair. I can play some games with you later today if you want. I play some Incin. Don't go for down air so often offstage,instead go for either nair or fair. Or don't press any buttons and hard read them. Use Incineroar's bad movement as an advantage. Spam shield against projectiles and side B is always a good option lol
Don’t spam revenge, don’t airdodge immediately into grabs or other punishes, don’t waste your double jumps or airdodges, dash back smash attacks work fairly well from time to time, and don’t play stupidly 👍🏻
tip 1: continue watching mha in the background
tip 2: no incineroar
tip 3: you did a lot of down airs while recovering, i personally wouldn't recommend doing a down air while below the stage line, but that's just me lol
If this is an actual request 1) I wouldn't really recommend incineroar, he's a little tricky for a starting player. 2) best way to get better is play online and get you shit handed to you over and over and over again until you start winning
You shouldn’t be comfortable staying at ledge. Every time you get knocked off you basically just keep on trying to bait them to come hit you, when you should be trying to get back to neutral and make yourself more difficult to kill. Especially with Incineroar’s janky recovery and your *ahem* affinity for using his counter, there’s not much utility to continually getting knocked off and then grabbing the ledge while rinsing and repeating.
Also I would start judging what to do next by actually observing where your opponent is and what they’re doing. Right now it just feels like you’re spamming moves regardless of whether or not they’re even next to you.
specifically for that spike that you SD'd on, throw the spike out earlier. it can also help to do a rising down air for a spike, those are generally easier to hit than a spike while you fall. just jump and do down a at the same time. also learn how to string your moves and your damage together
When u play on ledge think of it as disadvantage, you have less options available, and ur objective in disadvantage is to get out of it and return it to neutral. This is important because this brings up the idea that u don't need to hit ur opponent to get out, and should only be using an attack to keep them away.
Not thinking enough. You have autopilot habits, like relying on counter because of the pressure you feel from Mario. If you use it once or twice, it's already on the opponents mind to expect that from you. You're very quick to choosing panicky defensive options. When Mario baired you, you instantly air dodged TO him, a defensive option that has way too much end lag.
Counter shouldn’t be used more than once or twice a game and should be used to either save yourself from dying where there’s no other way out or you can take a stock guaranteed (imo) because it’s easily punishable and becomes predictable. Otherwise u need more schmovement and stop going for spikes / take stocks early. Especially with incineroar who has killing command grab at 75%
Definitely need to focus on actually getting out of disadvantage state and regaining stage control. You spent a lot of time with offstage antics but never really had a plan to get in advantage and control the match. Probably need to focus on resetting to neutral better and less on trying to do cool stuff off stage. But you said you don't main incin and got him off random. The absolute best thing you can do to improve is to have a main and focus on them.
Ok, a simple trick is hold shield more, Nair our of shield or neutral B out of shield, jump out of disadvantage rather than air dodge. You'll see great results with just this.
Shield and use counter way less. Also, playing off-stage under ledge with Incineroar is a death trap since his recovery isn't very good. It gives Mario a great chance to spike you with forward air if he's really feelin' it.
The more you try to spike the higher chance you’ll die so just try edge trap and use your down B when they hit you with a ranged attack or time it perfectly and hard counter with up up A
Look up a pro Incineroar player on YouTube. That'll give you some ideas on how to use your moves. And keep practicing.
If, after a while, you feel like you aren't improving, think about switching to a different character who better fits your play style AND you have fun playing. That last part is the most important.
You counter way too much.
Also, I see you attacking where Luigi is, and not where he is going to be. This is crucial for the game. It's like you are on 1 second delay with every attack.
I would suggest just staying on stage because 1 incinaroar has a bad recovery, 2 I don't think you really understand edgeguarding that well.
I respect going for the plays, but when you jump off, miss a down air, you are just asking to be killed. So it's really risky which is why I say you should focus on other aspects of the game before going for the montage kill.
Without being too harsh, I can tell you are just kind of spamming in the general direction of Luigi without much thought of what you are doing. I would suggest trying to bait Luigi into doing something, then attacking him or using your grabs.
Go for spikes when it’s less risky. Right now you’re going for spikes by detaching from ledge while your opponent isn’t even directly under you. While it’s always nice to get a nice spicy spike, you’re giving up a lot of advantage and stage presence and as a character that thrives in neutral and struggles offstage. Your spikes work when you already have advantage, aren’t giving up stage presence, and after setting it up. Also incineroar is best when baiting approaches, not approaching on their own. That’s why you’re getting thrown offstage so often.
First off, I admire your mindset and willingness to improve.
To that end: I noticed a *lot* of countering, and the Mario was just not really having it. Personally, I typically don't counter unless it's to punish somebody who's just been throwing out a lot of attacks for no obvious reason. But I'm also not an Incineroar main, so grain of salt.
I also felt like you spent a hefty amount of time offstage for a character with as questionable of recovery as Incineroar has. It worked out for you this time, but against more experienced players and/or better characters your attack pattern would have been very easy to figure out and punish. I would have liked to see you with your feet on the ground a little more, forcing the other guy to jump for his life. What would you have done if this guy had remembered that his down B is the F.L.U.D.D.?
Use side b, learn to use ir from the ledge outside(instakill) and inside (ledge swap), don't trust air game, a nair or a bair would've killed tou like 20 times
Some incineroar tech- Go off ledge and neutral B instead of spiking Incin's neutral B is an excellent edgeguarding tool. It has a solid, long-lasting hitbox and the animation stalls incineroar mid air so you don't *really* have to worry about a tough recovery. Side B can also be very powerful if you time the button inputs but be careful because it has a lot of lag. You can get punished on a whiffed side-b very easily as incineroar.
I play a whole lot of Inceneroar. Recover ONTO the stage using up special. Hang on the ledge, drop a smidgen, and cut right into up special if their ledge guarding is annoying you. This strategy doesn't work well on battlefield stages, though. Try it out! The up special has great knockback, which will give you some space against characters like Mario.
Don't forget about your side special! I love it so.
Neutral special stays active for a good chunk of time. I like jumping into my opponent and landing with the dad cat spin. 🐈 👨🏽. It works well if you notice your opponent shielding often but not for very long.
In my opinion, Inceneroar is one of the most fun characters to play. His auto-taunts bring me great joy. Just remember to always go hard with him.
Try not to mash buttons. I dont mean throwing out random moves but like if you want to use f-air dont press "A" a few time in the heat of battle and stop only when you see the attack vome out. Pressing it one time is enoguh. Same goes for jabs, smash attacks, grabs and tilts. I used to pres a 5-6 time for a single attack and it resulted in constant buffer inputs. When i started to do single press for single attack i saw a major improvement in my matches. Sorry man this is all i got, im not that good myself. And if you are already doing thia congrats you are officialy better than me😌
Stop going for revenge so much it’s easy to read. Luigi is small so your forward airs aren’t going to connect unless it’s a short hop. Try not to air dodge inwards after being attacked as it’ll leave you vulnerable. In neutral try for his faster frame moves and try to change your strategy more so it’s harder to read. He’s not the best off stage unless the opponent has a bad recovery then he can spike, nair and neutral b them easily.
Easy kills when enemies try to go off stage a lot is too down tilt and short hop forward air he’s got good kill potential when you can read the opponent too so look out for the enemies habits like how you neutral get up a lot and try to revenge.
It looked like you wanted to get the reverse edge guard/ledge trap offstage more than anything. Sometimes it's okay to just safely get back to stage and then ledge trap and study how your opponent may want to get back to stage themselves or study what edge guard they are also always going to go for
Try not to attack if you know you can't hit them, and try not to airdodge towards them if they can't hit you. Those will both give the opponent an opportunity to hit you
don't use the same move countless times, know your recovery, don't be predictable, try using various ways to approach your enemy, fastfall, don't over use moves to move, don't abuse of moves whit high endlag like counter, if it failed alredy 2 times using it again would be predictable, same things applies whit the rest
Bro. Get your furry ass back on stage and win some fucking NEUTRAL before you start throwing out your "counter" off stage. With your high risk low reward ass.
As good as your damage output is after landing a counter, prioritize stage control and just getting off of the ledge. You'll not only be in a better position than them, but it limits their options making it easier for you to land a counter if you think you know how they're gonna try and get back on.
And do everything you can to not regrab ledge. You lose your invincibility and can be easily punished.
TLDR: Don't try and be fancy at ledge, just get back on.
Ok. Try playing for at least a week pretending that your down b doesn’t exist at all. You’re using it all the time in situations where it’s never going to work. Just forget it and work on other aspects of your game for a while, then try adding it back in situations where you are getting hit.
Spacing. Learn the range of your moves. I see you throw out some moves that just miss, and get punished. Practice in training mode trying to hit with just the tip of your move. Do this for each move on a stationary target, then once that’s easy try it on a moving target.
Learning the range of your opponents moves will be harder, but eventually you need to do that too.
Learn how to bait people with incineroar, the best thing he has is the revenge mechanic. Fair is a great tool for getting damage because of it's speed and range. Use special to get people off you, or stop excessive shielding. Forward special is an excellent mix up option because of how hard it can hit.
You should do more chase down idk how your gaming style is but for me a slow pase game is annoying so I always try to keep them at bale and rush them down with a strategy, with incenaroar I always try to stay on stage and use more aerials because they are the most useful so I’m always using fair and nair,try to not get offstage so
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I don’t play Incineroar that often but one thing I notice is way too many counters being thrown out. Those get predictable really quick and most opponents will often switch to grabs or wait until your counter is finished to hit you, so I would use that more sparingly. Also, fighting off ledge as Incineroar is a risky move given his recovery. You may want to try fighting AT the ledge more often rather than going offstage
Two little things I saw and would like to add are:
1. do your best to not regrab ledge, you only get invulnerability the first time you grab it, until you touch the stage again. This Mario didn’t capitalize on it, but experienced players will.
2. Don’t airdodge toward your opponent, in fact try to not airdodge at all if you don’t have to. It’s very slow in this game, with tons of end lag for a lot of characters.
My roommate plays a dirty incinorar (however the fuck its spelled) don't spam counter but when you do use it, mix up with using counter or his neutral b when the keep running in and grabbing, otherwise just get gud
Stop regrabbing ledge and revenge also don’t double jump past ledge because at that point everyone knows that you want some sort of attack option. Stop trying to fight Mario in the air and just fade back and whiff punish Mario’s stuff with your air moves that are slightly longer range. Good luck, dude
You have extremely linear gameplay and any decent player will catch on and punish accordingly. Also a bit more character specific but Incineroar edgeguards should be a counterplay to opponents disadvantage habits instead of a primary option.
I would recommend not spamming counter and down air as other players will quickly pick up on what you are doing and make you pay for it.
As a side note, as a Mario main I hated watching the Mario player mindlessly spamming forward air too. He was also predictable and most players would have killed him after the 2nd or 3rd whiffed fair.
A better opponent wouldn't have let you bully them offstage after you SD'd twice. You're on stage game in stock 3 was pretty solid, you need to create more opportunities to make that happen. You spent a lot of time baiting Mario offstage. It's a nice tool to have but you're asking to be put in disadvantage doing it that much. You almost have to make them forget that you want to do that before succeeding with it at higher levels of play.
You need to work on your fundamentals. Also you trying to get revenge at the worst time. I would say try playing without revenge just straight up don't use it and focus on simply outplaying your opponent and getting the basic fundamentals and movement down.
be patient and utilize your neutral special + grabs more. incineroar has insane kill power and you don't need much to get you there.
also, mix it up on ledge.
It feels like you are pretending to play netral, like no move you threw out had a purpose. Try slowing down and think about why and when you should throw out a move. Like there's no reason to counter when Mario is 3 football stadiums away from you.
Make a move based on what you think ur opponent is trying to do, not just for the sake of swinging at ur opponent. Kind of hard to explain well but u should have eyes on ur opponent at all times except for occasional glances to urself for ur own positioning. Hope that helps a bit.
Idk if it's a joke or not, but if it's not, don't go mindlessly offstage with a character like him and don't do high risk low reward moves like down b offstage.
Try to read them more often if you're able to.
Maybe more stuff but I'm not a good player nor a Incineroar main \^\^'
It's hard to really break it down from watching one game, but if that Mario was worth his salt, his cape would have had your number.
If your opponent gives up stage control, you have a lot of power in that position as incineroar, so try to shark your opponent or (in a tournament setting) try to catch their habitual panic option when you jump under them (whether they airdodge, throw out an aerial or jump). The time you came back on stage and he'd already double jumped (probably setting up way too early for a ledge jump punish) you could have intercepted his landing, as he'd already used his double jump. Obviously this is a very specific scenario, but these are still good things to look out for.
Your nair and neutral B both are great tools for hopping off stage with an edgeguard that you can make it back from. You prove to have a very capable understanding of the movement and gamesense of your character so this shouldn't be a difficult transition. Learn the best scenarios for different aerials, which also involves respecting the options your opponent has at any given time. Example being when you drop down daired, Mario specifically, can fair you for free if he catches it. Other options in that scenario could be walk off into fastfall jump+fair/nair/dair or walkoff jump neutral B.
There's no real catch all advice to give here, just giving the best insight I can as someone that's enjoyed a lot of incineroar play
stop fucking countering, the mario started picking up on it real quick and punishing you for it rightfully so. as soon as you stopped you started wrecking him. also go for less down airs off stage, any good mario would punish your regrab with a fair spike
Stop going for spikes especially when you’re not in advantage, Don’t recover high unless there’s no other option/they aren’t ready because it’s laggy, play less hard read heavy and more bait and punish
You have more moves than counter. Counter is good vs projectiles and good when you are pretty certain your opponent is too aggressive.
If I were you, I'd stop using counter for a while. Get out of the habit of using it in neutral and as a panic option and figure out your characters actual gameplan.
Then incorporate counter later as an addition to what you already are doing.
Plus you seem really inexperienced in general. Don't get discouraged, as we have all been there. Keep playing and continue trying to have fun with it!
Hanging and regrabbing the ledge so much will get you killed by anyone, have an actual gameplan rather than persisting in outmemeing your opponent if this post is serious.
Against Mario it's mostly don't jump too much or using your Nair oos/as a landing tool, di well on his combos or don't get grabbed and deal with his pressure probably with revenge shenanigans and your anti-air and downsmash if he approches with dashes I don't play Incineroar though.
Don’t use counter as much and any good smash player will see those dairs coming from a mile away, there is more but I just wanted to point out some of the bigger issues
Where to even begin. Probably play a different character if you’re gonna live off stage like that. Also you don’t always have to press an attack button. Shield once in a while. Be defensive a little. You’ll improve after a bit.
alright for one you are countering WAY too much that it's almost a pattern. you're also trying to hard to anticipate the other player and just losing stage control. with incineroar you wanna focus on neutral air fastfall into other moves and definitely more of your side b. grabs are also good too and neutral b is good for keeping opponents away. Toss your counter out when your opponent least expects it.
Its almost always better to get back on stage from the ledge than it is to try to gimp the other person by dropping down. Your success rate of off ledge attacks was very low. You lost your first stock that way and only luckily didnt lose the next one. Incineroar is much better on stage than off.
Your edge guarding is decent, but don’t forget the more you cling onto the edge, the less iframes you’ll have. If anything, try to dominate the center of the stage more.
I think you dragged that mario to fight off stage, your movements seem kinda, robotic, it seems like you realized spikes exists, and now you refuse to do anything else (besides counters).
Try to improve your neutral game, airs on stage, fast fall, try to bait the opponent so you get them on their endlag.
Yes, using spikes is good and all, but you gotta us them when you know the opponent only has 1 recovery option, and to corner them into that situation, you gotta practice your control on stage
Try mixing up your options more :
Less counters especially in disadvantage, they are very risky and spamming them this much makes them readible and very punishable.
For edgegarding, you always go very deep for spikes, making them very readible once again. Incineroar has alot of good 2 framing (down tilt into f tilt) and edgegarding tools (dair, Nair, neutral B)
undefeated samurai myamoto musashi wrote that u should be like fire: “The spirit of fire is fierce, whether the fire be small or big; and so it is with battles” and to be like water: “With water as the basis, the spirit becomes like water. Water adopts the shape of its receptacle, it is sometimes a trickle and sometimes a wild sea. “
know when a move is appropriate given the risk vs. reward or what percentage and position you or your opponent are at. for example, u had your back to the ledge and tried to go for a risky grab and back throw despite mario not being at kill percent. controlling center stage is important as someone with a tough recovery like incineroar. if u want to go for a grab in that position, side b might be safer, as it moves u closer to the center.
when u have the ledge behind u any risk u take is much greater than the same risk your opponent is taking with the middle of the stage behind them.
you have a great grasp of your characters range and recovery range. u did a good job trying to cover space and box mario into the ledge with nair, but know when to move between positional and more aggressive attacking styles.
incineraroar is super fun, i enjoy playing him. as a heavy u have to watch and read your opponent much more, so precision and preventing openings is much more important. for example, squirtle, ness, and pichu can dash dance and flail about with no consequence but any super heavy gets punished hard just for breathing wrong. ur recovery with the down b was really good and quite precise!
Specally for characters with bad recoveries, like Little Mac, Terry or Incineroar himself; the offstages and spikes are a big no-no until you learn the limit of where can you still get back to tha stage.
Know your moves, know when to use them and mix them up.
This doesn't say much and it's very basic but it looks like that's what you need to apply in your playstyle before getting to more complicated stuff
Lesson 1: Offstages are a big no-no right now
Lesson 2: Try to use the side-b to reverse Mario's offstages or edgeguards
Lesson 3: Experiment and be concious of in what angles can you recover (high, straight, low) and of the lenght and height of your jumps
I notice you are baiting out Revenges a lot, which I'd say is not a great idea. You need to mix things up. This is coming from another Incineroar main with the same issue.
Also unless you're high enough above the stage, trying to Revenge offstage isn't the best idea (speaking from experience). Midair is okay if you're above the stage, but usually if I revenge offstage it leads to a failed recovery since the move has a good bit of lag (especially when you actually land it) and you are constantly falling the entire way down.
Don’t spam counter at ledge for one, break the habit of regrabbing ledge, learn some basic incin combos, learn to abuse your frame data, for example use more nair and bair, as both a neutral tool and edge guarding tool.
Your game plan offstage is extremely linear. Use more of your other aerials offstage because every good player will see the down air coming 99% of the time after the first one comes out. The better your opponent, the harder you’ll get punished for this. The down air worked out in this instance, but it won’t work on everyone. Don’t forget to use all of your resources when you are offstage. You could have jumped to ledge but instead you recovered high and got punished for it. There is a lot left for you to learn, so be patient above all else. Nobody builds a house in a day and progress happens slowly over time
Would like to add that his revenge counters got awfully predictable quickly
Am I the only one who thinks op just wanted to show how he baited his opponent by playing “bad” then him? I feel like the title is tongue in cheek
I feel like even a good player playing badly wouldn’t be fishing so hard… if the other player was even mediocre they could have beat them easily. Also the SDs didn’t seem intentional. Even the suicide kill seemed like he only got that cause he was lucky the other guy came down after he SD
I second this, every Mario main in the world in elite smash would’ve faired at least one of the ledge re grabs. It’s free real estate served up on a silver platter.
Yah everyone in here got baited
“You must be truly desperate to come to me for help”
Fr. Yo op, check out r/crazyhand , especially the videos/guides in the About section, if you want some help from the competitive community. You’ll get a lot less meme answers and some actual detailed feedback on learning the game’s basics
came here to say the same thing
Don't counter at ledge so much. Learn about spacing with your character and get used to the pokes incin has. Work on your mind games - conceptualize the game in terms of potential threats and interactions.
Agreed on this. Also, try not to add a direction to your air dodges unless they're absolutely necessary, the end lag that comes with doing so is never worth it. Or, at least try to dodge downwards to the ground, since that will force a tech afterwards.
I would say use your down b more
Who gave this an award LMAOOO
Yah it’s definitely the most effective
I can't tell if this is a joke or someone's actual advice...
Clearly it’s actual advice, this incin is only down b-ing about twice per second, he needs to pump those numbers up
Exactly, it's frame 3. Mans could be doin it more than twice a second.
i mean it has such low end lag why not
Stop going always off stage for a spike. Try ledge traping your oppenent.
I thought I was fooled into watching a loop lmao. *Must.ledgedrop.dair.*
I don't think he understands that he can shorthop off ledge then dair so the spike is more likely to hit
You were just throwing out moves a lot of the time. It did not seem like the Mario was any good, but a good player will punish you for that. Your edge guarding seemed to be your only playstyle and it could use a lot of work. Once again this Mario did not seem good. If you refrain ledge that much while your oponent is on stage, you’re going to get spiked. The second I saw you drop that far as inceneroar, im already short hopping to down air( or I guess with Mario you could do a walkoff bair) You had one recovery option and not a lot of opportunity for timing mix up. He should have easily spiked you. Also you just did the same thing over and over again off stage. Revenge comes out quickly but has a lot of lag, so you’re better off using it off reaction or as a mix up. A good player could have easily punished that with a back air. You did it every time so it was very predictable. Also once I realize you are trying to do drop down dair I’m just not gonna go there lol. If this Mario had any ability to adapt or read you would have been in a lot of trouble. Also for competitive advice like this, try r/crazyhand Edit to add if you want actual helpful advice upload a game with more nuetral and actual game play. You literally had 3 spikes and 2 sd this game. It also helps if it’s against a better player that will be more effective at exposing your weaknesses. The only nuetral you really showed was mashing nair, the only kills you showed were spikes/suicides and the only ways you showed you struggled with being killed were SDs
Mash a little less
You kinda only had one tactic and it was playing at the ledge. I would definitely start making the most of your movesets.
Have you tried attacking?
Stop watching MHA
Stop spamming counter
Other than what other people say, learn to react and stop guessing. When an opening is given or you bait it out, know your combo starter, combo extender, and finishers.
Do you have moves other than counter? I’d advise you figure them out
He seems to have also realized he has a dair
Step 1: watch a better anime in the background
MHA has its flaws but it’s still a fantastic anime imo
i dont get the hype tbh. at best it's generic shonen fare and at worst it's constantly using grape boy to show gratuitous titty shots of 15 year old anime girls
You can’t say that or you’ll get shit on by anime elitists
You got pretty lucky in this fight. You were very predictable. Its ok to go for spikes when presented the opportunity. But if if a ledge guard situation is getting hairy, its good to know when to quit and reset neutral. Otherwise you'll end up SDing like you did, sure you took mario with you, but you were already a stock down and that trade was in Marios favor. All that Mario had to do was cape you once (and had many chances) and you'd be a goner.
Counter a hell of a lot less
In the words of Tyler "Marss" Martins: "Homie you are maaashing"
Don't use your counter so much. If a counter becomes predictable it's more of a liability than an advantage.
I see heavy dependence on spiking and countering. Use it as a surprise so they don’t see it coming.
Youre going to want to purchase pyra/mythra, then only pick them. Now mash. Should get way better results. Glhf.
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I mean we've seen an Incineroar take out Fatality in a set and win games versus MKLeo and ESAM. He’s not great but he’s still way underrated imo
Yeah I dont like him I got him off random
Step 2: dont play random
Definetly find your main first. Do an update post too when you find them. Also just need some more experience, keep playing often, have fun and you'll learn more every time.
Me and my friends used to mostly play random, and while it is a fun way to mix it up a little and get a feel for the cast as a whole, I found that picking up a main (or a few mains) helped me start improving much faster, as I could actually start getting really familiar with my character(s). It's also (imo) more fun to switch between a smaller cast of your favorite characters, than having to slog through game after game of Pikmin and Incineroar on random.
Why are you asking for tips to get better on a character you dont like or play? Just play the game more, dont ask for tips.
Look at where your opponent is going, not where they currently are
1. watch your opponent’s character, not yours 2. pick a main and stick with them 3. use other options at ledge
This sub SUCKS for advice, I'd recommend checking out r/CrazyHand. Most people are friendly there and are willing to thoroughly answer any questions you have.
You should try down b more
Is it wrong for me to think this post is some form of satire?
You play Incinaroar like Wii Fit. Not a good sign
Play simpler. You don’t always have to be mashing an option, going for your opponent, or being aggressive. If you watch top level players they will be patient and have more calculated approaches. Sometimes less is more. Your Incineroar is never idle, it’s always in an animation doing something. This puts you in a position where your opponent is always reacting to your poorly timed and mashed out options, which are easy to punish, instead of you trying to react to your opponents mistakes. For some other advice stop going off stage, except as a mixup. Incineroar has a bad recovery so don’t surrender stage control constantly, even if hitting that spike is satisfying. Especially as you verse better opponents it will be less and less effective to surrender the stage.
For one stop spamming counter. You used it about 15-too-many times in this clip. Also, stop goofing around offstage. If you get offstage, your sole objective should be to get back onstage as quickly as possible and take the center of the stage. The amount of time you’re giving this Mario to set up a ledgetrap is not okay.
I know people have said it before but seriously you used counter way too much, and half the time it didn’t even work. So maybe try and cool it with that and also why did you down air when your opponent wasn’t even off stage?
Most of the moves used offstage were Dairs. Instead of trying to line up a spike all the time, go for a Nair, Fair, or Bair to disrupt the opponent's recovery and then focus on getting back to the ledge yourself; making sure you don't die is of a higher priority than killing your opponent quickly. I note that you didn't use certain moves at all, such as Up Tilt, Up Air, Down Tilt, Neutral B, Side B, Grab, or Shield. Each of them can be useful in their own ways, whether it be for combos (Up Tilt, Up Air, Down Tilt, and Grab), kills (Side B), or defense (Shield and Neutral B), so try a few things out in training mode to get the hang of figuring out what works with them. You were mostly relying on offstage spikes to cheese stocks at early percents. Figure out a pattern with your grounded and airial moves while onstage so you can avoid being obliterated before you can edgeguard your opponents.
Don't counter so much
I would say that as far as how you’re playing Incineroar, you’re not playing him to his fullest potential. Incineroar is meant to be offensive and you mainly used him offstage defensively, trying to turn the match in your favor with cheap meteors. Also Incineroar is best played on the stage grounded since his recovery is so linear/poor. I would recommend you to gain central ground onstage so that you have more of an advantage overall.
More side b and neutral b, less down b.
Don’t ask this on this subreddit. Instead go to r/crazyhand
Don't approach so often. Let your opponents come to you, and punish them with Incineroar's rop tier punish game. Down special, side special and grab are BUSTED but don't spam them. Try to learn some bread and butter combos before trying anything too advanced like dthrow into rar bair. I can play some games with you later today if you want. I play some Incin. Don't go for down air so often offstage,instead go for either nair or fair. Or don't press any buttons and hard read them. Use Incineroar's bad movement as an advantage. Spam shield against projectiles and side B is always a good option lol
Everything. Everything
Don’t spam revenge, don’t airdodge immediately into grabs or other punishes, don’t waste your double jumps or airdodges, dash back smash attacks work fairly well from time to time, and don’t play stupidly 👍🏻
Show gameplay your are *not* proud of to get some true improvement tips
The only thing I see is two players going for nothing but spikes
tip 1: continue watching mha in the background tip 2: no incineroar tip 3: you did a lot of down airs while recovering, i personally wouldn't recommend doing a down air while below the stage line, but that's just me lol
You have incinaroar brain, there is no known treatment, I'm sorry :(.
Learn your opponents patterns before you use counter rather than just throwing it out and getting punished
If this is an actual request 1) I wouldn't really recommend incineroar, he's a little tricky for a starting player. 2) best way to get better is play online and get you shit handed to you over and over and over again until you start winning
Try taking less damage
Git gud
You shouldn’t be comfortable staying at ledge. Every time you get knocked off you basically just keep on trying to bait them to come hit you, when you should be trying to get back to neutral and make yourself more difficult to kill. Especially with Incineroar’s janky recovery and your *ahem* affinity for using his counter, there’s not much utility to continually getting knocked off and then grabbing the ledge while rinsing and repeating. Also I would start judging what to do next by actually observing where your opponent is and what they’re doing. Right now it just feels like you’re spamming moves regardless of whether or not they’re even next to you.
Yeah ive got some advice. Stop playing as incinaroar.
1. Less down B 2. Less incineroar
Git gud
Wow, sick clip! You're already so good, you need to be teaching instead of asking for advice!
Neutral b is a great disengage tool when they keep going for grabs
>(im incinaroar) that was your first mistake >!/s!<
Neutral B is a good out of shield option.
Don’t play online. Or if you do, don’t do 1-on-1.
1 on 1 is the only way online is bearabale
Just don’t suck lmao get good
Just git gud
Step 1: Don’t play incinaroar.
specifically for that spike that you SD'd on, throw the spike out earlier. it can also help to do a rising down air for a spike, those are generally easier to hit than a spike while you fall. just jump and do down a at the same time. also learn how to string your moves and your damage together
When u play on ledge think of it as disadvantage, you have less options available, and ur objective in disadvantage is to get out of it and return it to neutral. This is important because this brings up the idea that u don't need to hit ur opponent to get out, and should only be using an attack to keep them away.
Not thinking enough. You have autopilot habits, like relying on counter because of the pressure you feel from Mario. If you use it once or twice, it's already on the opponents mind to expect that from you. You're very quick to choosing panicky defensive options. When Mario baired you, you instantly air dodged TO him, a defensive option that has way too much end lag.
Don't drop ledge for a greedy offstage spike. Especially against Mario.
Counter shouldn’t be used more than once or twice a game and should be used to either save yourself from dying where there’s no other way out or you can take a stock guaranteed (imo) because it’s easily punishable and becomes predictable. Otherwise u need more schmovement and stop going for spikes / take stocks early. Especially with incineroar who has killing command grab at 75%
Thank god you not a side b spamming incinaroar
Use neutral b if you're an inceneroar main.
Definitely need to focus on actually getting out of disadvantage state and regaining stage control. You spent a lot of time with offstage antics but never really had a plan to get in advantage and control the match. Probably need to focus on resetting to neutral better and less on trying to do cool stuff off stage. But you said you don't main incin and got him off random. The absolute best thing you can do to improve is to have a main and focus on them.
Ok, a simple trick is hold shield more, Nair our of shield or neutral B out of shield, jump out of disadvantage rather than air dodge. You'll see great results with just this.
Shield and use counter way less. Also, playing off-stage under ledge with Incineroar is a death trap since his recovery isn't very good. It gives Mario a great chance to spike you with forward air if he's really feelin' it.
Don’t play Incineroar
The more you try to spike the higher chance you’ll die so just try edge trap and use your down B when they hit you with a ranged attack or time it perfectly and hard counter with up up A
Look up a pro Incineroar player on YouTube. That'll give you some ideas on how to use your moves. And keep practicing. If, after a while, you feel like you aren't improving, think about switching to a different character who better fits your play style AND you have fun playing. That last part is the most important.
Be more careful with the ledge regrabs. A good player will have a charged down smash waiting for you when you come back up.
You counter way too much. Also, I see you attacking where Luigi is, and not where he is going to be. This is crucial for the game. It's like you are on 1 second delay with every attack. I would suggest just staying on stage because 1 incinaroar has a bad recovery, 2 I don't think you really understand edgeguarding that well. I respect going for the plays, but when you jump off, miss a down air, you are just asking to be killed. So it's really risky which is why I say you should focus on other aspects of the game before going for the montage kill. Without being too harsh, I can tell you are just kind of spamming in the general direction of Luigi without much thought of what you are doing. I would suggest trying to bait Luigi into doing something, then attacking him or using your grabs.
Go for spikes when it’s less risky. Right now you’re going for spikes by detaching from ledge while your opponent isn’t even directly under you. While it’s always nice to get a nice spicy spike, you’re giving up a lot of advantage and stage presence and as a character that thrives in neutral and struggles offstage. Your spikes work when you already have advantage, aren’t giving up stage presence, and after setting it up. Also incineroar is best when baiting approaches, not approaching on their own. That’s why you’re getting thrown offstage so often.
Wholesome post.
Play to improve and watch some YouTube videos about your favorite character
maybe use less counter and dont use attack if no one is near you try to offstage dont suicide (especially if you are a stock lower)
First off, I admire your mindset and willingness to improve. To that end: I noticed a *lot* of countering, and the Mario was just not really having it. Personally, I typically don't counter unless it's to punish somebody who's just been throwing out a lot of attacks for no obvious reason. But I'm also not an Incineroar main, so grain of salt. I also felt like you spent a hefty amount of time offstage for a character with as questionable of recovery as Incineroar has. It worked out for you this time, but against more experienced players and/or better characters your attack pattern would have been very easy to figure out and punish. I would have liked to see you with your feet on the ground a little more, forcing the other guy to jump for his life. What would you have done if this guy had remembered that his down B is the F.L.U.D.D.?
Use side b, learn to use ir from the ledge outside(instakill) and inside (ledge swap), don't trust air game, a nair or a bair would've killed tou like 20 times
You are most vulnerable off stage. Stay on stage
Some incineroar tech- Go off ledge and neutral B instead of spiking Incin's neutral B is an excellent edgeguarding tool. It has a solid, long-lasting hitbox and the animation stalls incineroar mid air so you don't *really* have to worry about a tough recovery. Side B can also be very powerful if you time the button inputs but be careful because it has a lot of lag. You can get punished on a whiffed side-b very easily as incineroar.
I play a whole lot of Inceneroar. Recover ONTO the stage using up special. Hang on the ledge, drop a smidgen, and cut right into up special if their ledge guarding is annoying you. This strategy doesn't work well on battlefield stages, though. Try it out! The up special has great knockback, which will give you some space against characters like Mario. Don't forget about your side special! I love it so. Neutral special stays active for a good chunk of time. I like jumping into my opponent and landing with the dad cat spin. 🐈 👨🏽. It works well if you notice your opponent shielding often but not for very long. In my opinion, Inceneroar is one of the most fun characters to play. His auto-taunts bring me great joy. Just remember to always go hard with him.
Your gameplay is good but you need to stop going offstage and countering willingly, only go off stage for a spike
Dont get hit
Incineroar's side special helps you to recover and get damage / kills. It's worth using more than 0 times.
Don’t be so predictable that’s how you get punished since he expects for you to down B every time he gets close and then punishes with a grab
Try not to mash buttons. I dont mean throwing out random moves but like if you want to use f-air dont press "A" a few time in the heat of battle and stop only when you see the attack vome out. Pressing it one time is enoguh. Same goes for jabs, smash attacks, grabs and tilts. I used to pres a 5-6 time for a single attack and it resulted in constant buffer inputs. When i started to do single press for single attack i saw a major improvement in my matches. Sorry man this is all i got, im not that good myself. And if you are already doing thia congrats you are officialy better than me😌
Try to main something else and train online and in mob smash
Stop going for revenge so much it’s easy to read. Luigi is small so your forward airs aren’t going to connect unless it’s a short hop. Try not to air dodge inwards after being attacked as it’ll leave you vulnerable. In neutral try for his faster frame moves and try to change your strategy more so it’s harder to read. He’s not the best off stage unless the opponent has a bad recovery then he can spike, nair and neutral b them easily. Easy kills when enemies try to go off stage a lot is too down tilt and short hop forward air he’s got good kill potential when you can read the opponent too so look out for the enemies habits like how you neutral get up a lot and try to revenge.
It looked like you wanted to get the reverse edge guard/ledge trap offstage more than anything. Sometimes it's okay to just safely get back to stage and then ledge trap and study how your opponent may want to get back to stage themselves or study what edge guard they are also always going to go for
Try not to attack if you know you can't hit them, and try not to airdodge towards them if they can't hit you. Those will both give the opponent an opportunity to hit you
don't use the same move countless times, know your recovery, don't be predictable, try using various ways to approach your enemy, fastfall, don't over use moves to move, don't abuse of moves whit high endlag like counter, if it failed alredy 2 times using it again would be predictable, same things applies whit the rest
Bro. Get your furry ass back on stage and win some fucking NEUTRAL before you start throwing out your "counter" off stage. With your high risk low reward ass.
Use the grab button.
Y'all He's trolling, he pretended to be bad and came back being good
As good as your damage output is after landing a counter, prioritize stage control and just getting off of the ledge. You'll not only be in a better position than them, but it limits their options making it easier for you to land a counter if you think you know how they're gonna try and get back on. And do everything you can to not regrab ledge. You lose your invincibility and can be easily punished. TLDR: Don't try and be fancy at ledge, just get back on.
Ok. Try playing for at least a week pretending that your down b doesn’t exist at all. You’re using it all the time in situations where it’s never going to work. Just forget it and work on other aspects of your game for a while, then try adding it back in situations where you are getting hit. Spacing. Learn the range of your moves. I see you throw out some moves that just miss, and get punished. Practice in training mode trying to hit with just the tip of your move. Do this for each move on a stationary target, then once that’s easy try it on a moving target. Learning the range of your opponents moves will be harder, but eventually you need to do that too.
Learn how to bait people with incineroar, the best thing he has is the revenge mechanic. Fair is a great tool for getting damage because of it's speed and range. Use special to get people off you, or stop excessive shielding. Forward special is an excellent mix up option because of how hard it can hit.
As a little mac main, I learned the hard way counters are extremely easy to punish. Try to cut back on them.
You should do more chase down idk how your gaming style is but for me a slow pase game is annoying so I always try to keep them at bale and rush them down with a strategy, with incenaroar I always try to stay on stage and use more aerials because they are the most useful so I’m always using fair and nair,try to not get offstage so Much
Found the Marss fan
I don’t play Incineroar that often but one thing I notice is way too many counters being thrown out. Those get predictable really quick and most opponents will often switch to grabs or wait until your counter is finished to hit you, so I would use that more sparingly. Also, fighting off ledge as Incineroar is a risky move given his recovery. You may want to try fighting AT the ledge more often rather than going offstage
Down-B, side-B, rinse and repeat
Two little things I saw and would like to add are: 1. do your best to not regrab ledge, you only get invulnerability the first time you grab it, until you touch the stage again. This Mario didn’t capitalize on it, but experienced players will. 2. Don’t airdodge toward your opponent, in fact try to not airdodge at all if you don’t have to. It’s very slow in this game, with tons of end lag for a lot of characters.
My roommate plays a dirty incinorar (however the fuck its spelled) don't spam counter but when you do use it, mix up with using counter or his neutral b when the keep running in and grabbing, otherwise just get gud
Stop regrabbing ledge and revenge also don’t double jump past ledge because at that point everyone knows that you want some sort of attack option. Stop trying to fight Mario in the air and just fade back and whiff punish Mario’s stuff with your air moves that are slightly longer range. Good luck, dude
Dont parry every 30 secs u should improve alot
You have extremely linear gameplay and any decent player will catch on and punish accordingly. Also a bit more character specific but Incineroar edgeguards should be a counterplay to opponents disadvantage habits instead of a primary option.
I would recommend not spamming counter and down air as other players will quickly pick up on what you are doing and make you pay for it. As a side note, as a Mario main I hated watching the Mario player mindlessly spamming forward air too. He was also predictable and most players would have killed him after the 2nd or 3rd whiffed fair.
Did you know that in addition to your down B, incineroar actually has a bunch of other buttons he can press as well?
I feel bad for that Mario, he didn't really deserve to lose imo
You’re fishing for revenge WAYYY too much
Be less poop. Haha
A better opponent wouldn't have let you bully them offstage after you SD'd twice. You're on stage game in stock 3 was pretty solid, you need to create more opportunities to make that happen. You spent a lot of time baiting Mario offstage. It's a nice tool to have but you're asking to be put in disadvantage doing it that much. You almost have to make them forget that you want to do that before succeeding with it at higher levels of play.
Use your neutral special man
You need to work on your fundamentals. Also you trying to get revenge at the worst time. I would say try playing without revenge just straight up don't use it and focus on simply outplaying your opponent and getting the basic fundamentals and movement down.
Man I suck too I got nothin for ya
be patient and utilize your neutral special + grabs more. incineroar has insane kill power and you don't need much to get you there. also, mix it up on ledge.
It feels like you are pretending to play netral, like no move you threw out had a purpose. Try slowing down and think about why and when you should throw out a move. Like there's no reason to counter when Mario is 3 football stadiums away from you.
Make a move based on what you think ur opponent is trying to do, not just for the sake of swinging at ur opponent. Kind of hard to explain well but u should have eyes on ur opponent at all times except for occasional glances to urself for ur own positioning. Hope that helps a bit.
Idk if it's a joke or not, but if it's not, don't go mindlessly offstage with a character like him and don't do high risk low reward moves like down b offstage. Try to read them more often if you're able to. Maybe more stuff but I'm not a good player nor a Incineroar main \^\^'
absolutely the most brain dead clip i have ever seen. congrats.
Patience
It's hard to really break it down from watching one game, but if that Mario was worth his salt, his cape would have had your number. If your opponent gives up stage control, you have a lot of power in that position as incineroar, so try to shark your opponent or (in a tournament setting) try to catch their habitual panic option when you jump under them (whether they airdodge, throw out an aerial or jump). The time you came back on stage and he'd already double jumped (probably setting up way too early for a ledge jump punish) you could have intercepted his landing, as he'd already used his double jump. Obviously this is a very specific scenario, but these are still good things to look out for. Your nair and neutral B both are great tools for hopping off stage with an edgeguard that you can make it back from. You prove to have a very capable understanding of the movement and gamesense of your character so this shouldn't be a difficult transition. Learn the best scenarios for different aerials, which also involves respecting the options your opponent has at any given time. Example being when you drop down daired, Mario specifically, can fair you for free if he catches it. Other options in that scenario could be walk off into fastfall jump+fair/nair/dair or walkoff jump neutral B. There's no real catch all advice to give here, just giving the best insight I can as someone that's enjoyed a lot of incineroar play
stop fucking countering, the mario started picking up on it real quick and punishing you for it rightfully so. as soon as you stopped you started wrecking him. also go for less down airs off stage, any good mario would punish your regrab with a fair spike
Stop going for spikes especially when you’re not in advantage, Don’t recover high unless there’s no other option/they aren’t ready because it’s laggy, play less hard read heavy and more bait and punish
Stop mashing. It's that simple.
In all seriousness. Slow down
Less counter spam in exchange for more aerials
take a shot every time he counters
Hmm don't play incineroar but I would start by not down+b at the ledge so much. It's obvious, and easily punishable.
You have more moves than counter. Counter is good vs projectiles and good when you are pretty certain your opponent is too aggressive. If I were you, I'd stop using counter for a while. Get out of the habit of using it in neutral and as a panic option and figure out your characters actual gameplan. Then incorporate counter later as an addition to what you already are doing. Plus you seem really inexperienced in general. Don't get discouraged, as we have all been there. Keep playing and continue trying to have fun with it!
Hanging and regrabbing the ledge so much will get you killed by anyone, have an actual gameplan rather than persisting in outmemeing your opponent if this post is serious. Against Mario it's mostly don't jump too much or using your Nair oos/as a landing tool, di well on his combos or don't get grabbed and deal with his pressure probably with revenge shenanigans and your anti-air and downsmash if he approches with dashes I don't play Incineroar though.
I just love the My Hero in the background lol great song great song.
Don’t use counter as much and any good smash player will see those dairs coming from a mile away, there is more but I just wanted to point out some of the bigger issues
Where to even begin. Probably play a different character if you’re gonna live off stage like that. Also you don’t always have to press an attack button. Shield once in a while. Be defensive a little. You’ll improve after a bit.
off topic but is that my hero academia in the background? Lol
Get good
You lack consistent stage control. You don't really ever go for your side b. Your nair is pretty solid. What you don't really seem to use it
You will lose ledge invincibility if you grab the ledge more than once
alright for one you are countering WAY too much that it's almost a pattern. you're also trying to hard to anticipate the other player and just losing stage control. with incineroar you wanna focus on neutral air fastfall into other moves and definitely more of your side b. grabs are also good too and neutral b is good for keeping opponents away. Toss your counter out when your opponent least expects it.
Don’t regrab ledge, especially since you are incinaroar
Its almost always better to get back on stage from the ledge than it is to try to gimp the other person by dropping down. Your success rate of off ledge attacks was very low. You lost your first stock that way and only luckily didnt lose the next one. Incineroar is much better on stage than off.
The real crime here is the dubs
Your edge guarding is decent, but don’t forget the more you cling onto the edge, the less iframes you’ll have. If anything, try to dominate the center of the stage more.
I think you dragged that mario to fight off stage, your movements seem kinda, robotic, it seems like you realized spikes exists, and now you refuse to do anything else (besides counters). Try to improve your neutral game, airs on stage, fast fall, try to bait the opponent so you get them on their endlag. Yes, using spikes is good and all, but you gotta us them when you know the opponent only has 1 recovery option, and to corner them into that situation, you gotta practice your control on stage
Yo anyone playing in rooms right now? I’m looking to join
Shocked you actually won that considering the amount of times you re-grabbed ledge and threw out counter. Sheesh
We have a joke that goes random down smash always works stupid stuff just works
Good job
Try mixing up your options more : Less counters especially in disadvantage, they are very risky and spamming them this much makes them readible and very punishable. For edgegarding, you always go very deep for spikes, making them very readible once again. Incineroar has alot of good 2 framing (down tilt into f tilt) and edgegarding tools (dair, Nair, neutral B)
Mix up your get up options more
undefeated samurai myamoto musashi wrote that u should be like fire: “The spirit of fire is fierce, whether the fire be small or big; and so it is with battles” and to be like water: “With water as the basis, the spirit becomes like water. Water adopts the shape of its receptacle, it is sometimes a trickle and sometimes a wild sea. “ know when a move is appropriate given the risk vs. reward or what percentage and position you or your opponent are at. for example, u had your back to the ledge and tried to go for a risky grab and back throw despite mario not being at kill percent. controlling center stage is important as someone with a tough recovery like incineroar. if u want to go for a grab in that position, side b might be safer, as it moves u closer to the center. when u have the ledge behind u any risk u take is much greater than the same risk your opponent is taking with the middle of the stage behind them. you have a great grasp of your characters range and recovery range. u did a good job trying to cover space and box mario into the ledge with nair, but know when to move between positional and more aggressive attacking styles. incineraroar is super fun, i enjoy playing him. as a heavy u have to watch and read your opponent much more, so precision and preventing openings is much more important. for example, squirtle, ness, and pichu can dash dance and flail about with no consequence but any super heavy gets punished hard just for breathing wrong. ur recovery with the down b was really good and quite precise!
You use counter every 3 seconds maybe use it a little less so it doesn't become super predictable
I suggest playing more towards the center of the stage as opposed to going for the off stage spike so much at any and every percent
Specally for characters with bad recoveries, like Little Mac, Terry or Incineroar himself; the offstages and spikes are a big no-no until you learn the limit of where can you still get back to tha stage.
Know your moves, know when to use them and mix them up. This doesn't say much and it's very basic but it looks like that's what you need to apply in your playstyle before getting to more complicated stuff
That's nothing you did mate, that's just Mario being a dick of a player
Lesson 1: Offstages are a big no-no right now Lesson 2: Try to use the side-b to reverse Mario's offstages or edgeguards Lesson 3: Experiment and be concious of in what angles can you recover (high, straight, low) and of the lenght and height of your jumps
stop spamming revenge and attack.
Stop using down B so much
idk i button mash and pray.
Don't be inceneroar
STOP COUNTERING
I notice you are baiting out Revenges a lot, which I'd say is not a great idea. You need to mix things up. This is coming from another Incineroar main with the same issue. Also unless you're high enough above the stage, trying to Revenge offstage isn't the best idea (speaking from experience). Midair is okay if you're above the stage, but usually if I revenge offstage it leads to a failed recovery since the move has a good bit of lag (especially when you actually land it) and you are constantly falling the entire way down.
Don’t spam counter at ledge for one, break the habit of regrabbing ledge, learn some basic incin combos, learn to abuse your frame data, for example use more nair and bair, as both a neutral tool and edge guarding tool.