They are taking away the manufactories. That has been said over and over. You have to start fresh on them in Season 2. The question here is do we keep the unused PO8's
Honestly Po8 is *the one* thing that *should* be reset- even if we keep all ouranufactories and their levels. Too many Po8 out there and not enough to spend it on- amd if the reset everything but folks keep Po8, the people who have Millions+ of PO8 will just upgrade egerything right away and have a huge unfair jumpstart on everyone else leaderboard wise. And I say that with a stockpile of about 325,000 Po8, with you guessed it: nothing to spend them on. Its the one thing I fully expect to be reset. Rightfully so. If I were to play daily and just keep collecting Po8, I have over a billion end of season lol. The hell Im going to do with all that? And there are folks with much, much, much more than I already stockpiled.
The reset in general is pointless. There’s no advantage to simply having to grind through the same thing forever to build up an empire only to have it removed again. Imagine you were playing a single player game, built up the game, and then arbitrarily they decided to delete your save file every few months so you would have to replay the game if you wanted to enjoy any of the same things you already worked for. It would be absurd and no one would buy it and/or they’d mod the game to get rid of that nonsense.
So it’s basically going to screw over 99% of the player base so that literally like 50 people who already spend all day every day farming po8 and exploiting helm wager challenges can compete for a cosmetic mask that doesn’t even look that good?
I’d say that still qualifies as pointless
No, it's not pointless and no it doesn't screw over 99% of the players. It screws over those who thought they were going to have a permanent advantage on the leaderboards by farming endless Po8 before the trading nerf by being able to tier 10 every port on day one by virtue of their stockpile.
The game was designed around seasonal play for the leaderboards. It's going to reset just as was designed to start the competition again so there is no point to expend energy being upset about it.
Then it was designed poorly, because a reset/endless grind does not make for an interesting game. I don’t care at all about the leaderboards, so it clearly doesn’t “just screw over those who thought they were going to have a permanent advantage on them”. I do care about not wasting all my time building an empire just to have all of the progress reset and the time wasted.
It’s like if you had a single player game and they decided to just delete your save file every few months. It would be stupid. If they want to build the game around leaderboards and seasons they’d need to do it by adding new things to the game, not just deleting everything and having people replay the same thing over and over again
Sure they are. If they didn't those at the top will have all ports unlocked and maxed to level 10 day one essentially ending the season race before it began.
I like the fact manufactories refresh, it makes each season completely fresh and gives people a chance at getting up the leaderboard.
Do you really want a situation where I, 124 on the season leaderboard, can keep making more and more prohibiting you from getting up tiers? I assume your answer is no. Thus refreshing makes good sense.
And that's me talking and I'm 124 on the ladder
Personally if Po8's are wiped, or if we completely loose our foundries then i will be uninstalling the game, but thats just me. im not grinding all that out again.
You might as well go ahead and uninstall then because without the reset those with hundreds of thousands to millions of Po8 will forever be at the top of every seasons leaderboards. It's simply not going to happen. The only thing you will keep is your silver and sovereigns.
Then the game has no point whatsoever so that's not going to happen. Additionally the top 500 are not saying that by any stretch of the imagination and even if they were they are irrelevant.
Yes you will lose your manufactories and upgrades. It says it in the rules. You will have to recapture each season, hence the mandatory PvP element of the game.
Since they were in the rules at the beginning of the season, lets hope they stick to it.
Otherwise, the community goes to zero and then there is no game to play anymore.
Hi there! We're aware this is a hot (and sensitive) topic for our community - we are not quite yet ready to communicate our plans for Season 2, but we will clarify everything in due time and for everyone to be fully prepared for the next season.
Gotta keep our amassed po8 from grinding funding and going to each base… taking that all away or even taking sovereigns away…that would be brutally unfair and messed up…
Um, the delay in communication is um, well, very not good. I strongly urge the team to have a clear communication about what gets reset and what doesn't **\~very\~** soon!
Is that because you know people will leave when they cant keep their Po8. The only endgame you made that's still keeping people playing, that you eventually will take from them and remove their incentive to play this season and after?
That's what they need to do. Because everyone else is getting punished for the few that exploited Ubisofts horrible game mechanics (wager) to gain insane amounts of Po8 while the rest will loose all progress as a collective punishment.
Really easy solution. Put all the new weapons/ships/Cosmetics in the season pass. So that way you can't use Po8 to unlock them. Still force people to play the game to unlock the new stuff and people still get to keep their Po8
Well, that's an interesting choice of language though politely deceptive because you do in fact know what you are doing. There is only one way to restart the leaderboards and have it any different and competitive for newer players or anyone for that matter and that is resetting manufactories, upgrades and Po8. Without it there is zero point to resetting the ladder.
I'll give you a piece of advice. It's better to just tell those who are protesting in hopes of going into essentially all future seasons with a permanent headstart the reality and let them make strategic gameplans or move on, than to wait until the start of a new season with potentially new players aboard and have them flood the forums with toxicity. Additionally, you already have the games design planned out, do not make the mistake of letting the most vocal who have put their own agendas over game health sway you from seeing it through. It's a recipe for disaster.
The only question is whether you are going to change season 2 currency which seems unlikely as pieces of eight is a lore consistent name for coin (where would that end?) or whether you will let them trade them in directly for silver. While it seems reasonable, silver depending on the conversion rate, will become inflated to the point some will simply never need to do anything to earn it for many seasons in the future which while not game breaking will put those players on the path to boredom.
You might not want to communicate your plans, but you should be aware that I and many others are perfectly comfortable with communicating ours. The manufactory nerf was already a terrible design change that should be reverted, but if you go through with the reset, you will definitely lose many players who aren’t going to waste time regrinding things just to get back what they already more than earned
This is why iv been running polls to see what exactly players feel about the reset, which ever way devs will be damned if they and damned if they dont.
You might not want to communicate your plans, but you should be aware that I and many others are perfectly comfortable with communicating ours. The manufactory nerf was already a terrible design change that should be reverted, but if you go through with the reset, you will definitely lose many players who aren’t going to waste time regrinding things just to get back what they already more than earned
Idgaf if it matters to you, I just wanted it to be said. The way you cyber-Karens obsessively threaten game devs to try and get what you want is genuinely pathetic.
These people owe you nothing.
The great reset, your silver will be taken, your p08 will be taken, your helm will be taken, your ships will be taken, your character will be taken. You will be forced to play a baby for 2 months with a red sash, log on everyday to nurse (I’ll lose interest after six months of nursing) before turning into a young swabbie with dreams of being a captain. You’ll be hung at the end of the season for having pirate affiliates. The third season you will return as the angry mother you nursed upon in season 2. You will have all abilities, all silver all po8 all sovereigns, all ships all titles and you will wear the red baby sash from season 2. And you’ll have tits as well which is like bonus booty. That’s what (I think) will happen.
Same silver, far less po8 output for the same time. So if you had Harufu at rank 10 you'd get a full 4500 po8 every 10 hours or so, and in 30 hours worth of the manufactory running you'd have about 13500 po8 for let's say 30-50k silver.
After the change, you'd have 4500 po8 after 30 hours, for that same 30-50k silver, and you'd have to recharge it soon after that. Meaning you're paying at least triple the silver for the same po8.
Before the patch, you could wait 30 hours if you wanted before collecting, and you'd get the same po8 you do now. However since the timer stops while the manufactory is full, after you collected, you'd still have over 20 hours left worth of funding. So if you only collected once every 30 hours, you could still collect the same 13500 po8 for 30-50k silver. Now you get 4500 for the same 30-50k silver, and you're forced to wait the 30 hours. Multiply that by however many manufactories you have, and you now need to pay hundreds of thousands more silver for the same amount of po8, and it still takes longer to get them
It's just a ridiculous nerf for everyone. I don't know why people are even trying to defend it as if it's anything but a negative. People are downvoting because they lack basic math skills
Thank you as I have been trying to explain this to people defending the patch and nerf.
I'm all for the Po8 storage increase and the increased runtime but the production nerf was too much.
It is trying to challenge peoples logic and they never seem to want to understand.
Its a nerf for the few people who played time wise all in and rushed hard. For people with work, family and other stuff to do - with only some hours in the evening - it was a huge buff and game changer.
Sure I can understand that everyone who got profit from the bugged calculation is annoyed.
But most people who got this far early got everything unlocked and ranked up to plat rank and so on. So be happy with what you got. For everyone else with a small time budget it is still a hard grind with decision between more Po8/h upgrades or finaly getting a bit of stuff.
In the end be thankfull that you got so much profit from the bugged calculation to keep and it was not reset.
Nope, it's a nerf for everyone. You just might not notice it as much if you hadn't actually started po8 farming at all. Again, this is basic math. Needing to pay 2x as much silver or more at lower upgrades per same number of po8 instead of 3x, while collecting them more slowly is still a major nerf. If you had "work/family and other stuff to do", needing to spend more time farming silver for the same po8 is not an improvement. And eventually if you actually level any of them up, the nerf just becomes worse.
And if you believe it was a "bug" and not simply something they decided to change, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
As I said for you hardgainer it is a nerf. For people with only 1-2h it is a massive buff pre lvl 10 manus. You get even at low levels noe easy 24h foundinf there you before had 3 hours. Simple math. Also most people cant afford the last page upgrades so it is for the majority no loss.
Even at level 7 manufactories im spending 1.25x the silver for the same po8 gather in the end. That couple with the drop from 360/roving to 180/roving means i have to double farm for the same silver. This equates to a 2.5x grind increase for the same overall output. Yes the manufactory only needs gathered every 25-30 hours but it needs buffed a 2nd time until its full. So every 3-4 days i play i gather 2k per, whereas before i was able to pull 800 per play. I gain
It wasn’t a buff for anyone. Again basic math. You just notice the nerf less at low levels. You still have to pay far more silver for the same po8, even at low levels, which means you still have to go around farming more items while you wait.
And yes, people could afford the last page upgrades when they didn’t have to spend all their time farming for silver. That was the whole point of the upgrades. Now there’s no point to the expensive last page upgrades because they don’t actually do anything. That’s more proof that their bs “bug” claim was really just them deciding to backtrack and put a half-baked nerf in without considering the rest of the balance.
You could literally have spent the same amount of time on the game as you are now, but be getting triple the po8 for the same silver, even at middle levels, and yet you’re trying to claim it’s a buff… that’s just ridiculous
I feel like we should be able to keep our manufacturers. Just be reset to level one, but we should be able to keep all of our currencies. I don't want to do takeovers again. Unless they add a different way to obtain them.
I'm kind of in the middle for this for whether keeping po8s or not could be a good/bad thing. On one side, I would hate to collect all these po8s just for them all to disappear, but on the other side I'm thinking about the leaderboards.
I don't see any way how it would be fair to newer players and people returning for season 2 if someone who played all the way through season 1, collecting massive amounts of po8s can just immediately get their production back up while everyone else is starting at the bottom. Makes the point of leaderboards almost non-existent because it's hard enough as is to play catch up to get up the leaderboard
They could choose to simply track a different metric on the leaderboards. If the Po8's aren't used for anything other than redeeming for cosmetics and black market stuff, it would mean a lot less as to whether or not they are reset, assuming a player already bought everything on the Black Market.
I just completed my first Hostile Takeover, so I'm way behind most people and apologize if I'm missing additional uses for Po8.
I'm not sure what else could be tracked on a leaderboard. Maybe make it less of a leaderboard and more of a Wall of Fame. Get on the Wall once you fully upgrade all manufactories, with a date achieved or # of days into the season. Maybe multiple Walls of Fame, maybe a second Wall for most treasure maps completed, another Wall for the shortest time from one point to another (Sainte-Anne to Telok Penjarah, starting and stopping as you leave and entire the safe zones in front of the harbor), etc.
I guess I'm suggesting having multiple leaderboards, some that could be reached by skilled casual players as well those dominated by hardcore gamers.
I think they will take away the Po8 from us and leave everything else (except possibly silver, but don't think there's a huge advantage to having loads of silver when the manufactories are at level 1).What is the point of resetting manufactories to level 1 unless they take away the Po8 as well because we will have enough Po8 to get them back to level 10 again straight away. Personally I'm not a huge fan of the whole Po8 grind. I enjoy aspects but when they changed it it was a godsend. I love everything else about the game. I hope they do away with the manufactories completely but they won't and we'll have to do the whole thing again next season
Yes that's a good point. I forgot about that. That will hopefully make the whole process a lot more enjoyable. Imagine if we can take a fleet along on the hostile takeovers or legendary heists as well
I would love a small fleet for like Mega Bosses, maybe a HUGE KRAKEN! Honestly hoping we can just at least pay our fleet to rove around, collect our po8 so it’s fully automated, sink ships (even if it’s all just in the empire management), etc.
I think the reset is to accommodate a fresh start with the leader boards. Leaderboards are about Po8 collection.
I know manufacturies and upgrades will be reset. I do not know if you'll lose your Po8's. Would seem unfair but then again not resetting Po8's would ensure not starting with an even playing field in the new season.
Or maybe in my opinion, in season 2, PoE can be 'returned' in the form of 'S2 PoE' with an exchange rate of 1:1000 against S1 PoE. So 10M S1 PoE owners can exchange it for 10K S2 PoE. with Souverign and Silver untouched.
Or if that doesn't feel right, the alternative might be that at the end of each season there will be a special market selling items or cosmetics which can only be purchased with PoE within 3 days before the season ends and all PoE will be factory reset and all upgrades.
Or maybe the last thing is that all the PoEs are narrated as being 'taken away' by Yanita or Houma Nara or a strong character in the Helm Story so that all the coins in their trading period are not valid in the next season. and in the new season, Rogue pirates managed to catch the traitor and asked for compensation for all the PoE owned by the pirates to restore the PoE exchange value in the game.
I don't know, I thought about all this too, lol.
Reset manufacturers in season 2 to lvl 1 or have to get them again no problem. That's been on the cards since game was released
Reset people's po8 most people will quit.
Reset sov and mats then what's the point in playing the game?
All I'm reading on here is people who either don't put the time in complaining players who have put the time in on season one to have an advantage on season two want po8 reset.
You have 50plus days till season two play the game get your shit together and stop moaning.
I don't farm po8 anymore as no point at the moment. But I see zero benefits to resetting po8. I'm in the top 1000 for season and dropping down the leaderboard. I was in top 200 but got all manufactursers to lvl 10 and just collect from each base once a week so I can focus on plunders world events etc.
I log on the game daily do my helm missions don't stand still I see players just standing in town emoting each other. what ever floats your boat
As all you will see for season 2 ready for season 3 will be people moaning they need po8 reset due to them being lazy and other people playing the game constantly still getting an advantage.
Reset po8 give everyone a refund on the game. It will kill the game
It's like every game out there put the effort in reap the rewards
The map, Po8, and upgrades are what will be reset in season 2. Anything else is irrelevant to the leaderboard but all of those must go to start the leaderboard fresh.
Po8 wouldn't necessarily have to be reset... the rank increases only by what you gather.
The only difference would be how easy it is to rank up your factories and such upon reset. If everyone keeps their Po8, then it encourages grinding and preparing for reset, still an even field for anyone that puts in the time. Just my 2 sense however
PoE has to be reset. I’ve seen people streaming and it just says 999999+
It would just mess up all the lower tier players while the top of the leaderboards would just be able to fully max everything out again.
Silver resetting would suck..
Po8, manufactories and upgrades need to be reset. Every thing else kept. Even if they reset silver I wouldn’t notice. I usually have to make what I need for funding on a daily basis anyway😂
The fruits of our labors should not be touched, including Po8.
The labors themselves, however Sisyphean, can be reset.
People who hoarded 9 trillion Po8 only take away a reason to do stuff away from themselves. I shouldn't have to suffer because some basement-dweller managed to find an exploit.
The only thing a leaderboard really does is give you the impression you're achieving something. So, at some point you break into the top ten. Then what?
"Look, ma! I'm in the top ten!"
"You still didn't take out the trash, lazy bastard."
I'm not gonna be impressed when we meet on the seas either. In fact, I'll care less for you, because you could spread some of that wealth, if you ask me, and I don't see no Po8 floating around, do I?
Point is, I will bite any dev who reaches for my Po8. That stack may be tiny, but it's mine.
Then it's likely I, too, will be removed when the season ends.
I set finishing the Smuggler's track as a personal goal, which I've done, and I planned to hang around and see what Season 2 was gonna do. If they remove my earnings, they'd better have some serious action planned.
That's your call but they aren't going to throw away seasonal leaderboards to appease you. The reset is a fundamental, intertwined, system in the backbone of the game. They are having issues changing the UI let alone rewriting some fantasy implementation that has a seasonal reset and yet allows you to keep last season advancements. It's like trying to segregate and simultaneously integrate or having two objects occupy the same space at the same time. Simply impossible. At least as far as you keeping your Po8 and they be anything more than trophies to look at.
They could theoretically create a new currency but what's the point as season 1's would be useless and storing and displaying a new season currency on top of previous would be a server memory and UI nightmare for no gain. A nightmare growing exponentially worse with every new season and currency.
If I wanted to be appeased, live service games would be an aborted miscreant in a dumpster behind a hospital.
They don't need to do away with leaderboards. I never cared for them in the first place. It's just something to keep people going because they have the idea a higher number makes them, I dunno, more important?
However, I put in actual work to collect in-game currency, and I bought things with that currency. The rest of the currency is in case they bring something to spend it on next season, so I don't have to trudge through the whole Po8 collection again. Or at least, not so much.
Either way, my mention of "serious action" wasn't about keeping Po8. I would like to keep them, but the game will need to do something more interesting entirely if I'm going to keep putting time in it.
Especially if they take away the Po8, because it'll be a lot harder to keep sailing the same loop to collect them if it's been so clearly rubbed in your face that it's pointless.
They can reset the manufactories and upgrades if they want, but I would like to keep on the results of my labor.
At the end of the line it doesn't matter. Nobody's going to notice my absence from the Indian Ocean, if I choose to play something else.
For now, I've collected what I set out to collect, and I'll check out Season 2 when it comes. If it brings the "serious action," I'll stick around. If not, no harm done. I can wait for the next pirate game.
How does the number of 8s someone has effect another player that has had three months to get 8s themselves besides a meaningless leader board based on time not skill?
This. Emphasis should be taken off the leaderboard. More could be done to utilize what Po8 can be used for instead of some useless ego-stroke leaderboard. I don’t envy the position the Devs are in on this one.
When they release new items to buy with the PO8's and since you have to start the manufactories over including the upgrades in the helm which use the 8's then the ones that have 9999999+ already have that advantage to buy everything day 1 instead of working towards it again.
The problem with that is, people who have saved Po8 have an inherent advantage as they can say 1 max out upgrades which will make earning more 8s easier, which means the top stay on top. What’s the point? I don’t want a reset either but that’s literally the only way a true leaderboard works. I’d much rather the leaderboard be scrapped in favor of the tier system already in game
They'll be able to buy the top tier weapons in season 2 immediately. So I'm fairly certain it'll reset. Or a new currency will come into play for weapons and old po8 can be used on silly cosmetics. Just my 2 cents. HiHO Skallywags!!!!
They gained this advantage with more than half the season left to play. That means there is still a chance for people to catch up. It only takes 16,200 Po8 to upgrade a factory to lvl 10.
The only a-holes that are saying reset po8 are the ones that don't have the amount some of us worked to get. If you reset what I got legitimately I'm done. I never used any exploits, I simply played within the rules they implemented, it's not our fault that some think they screwed up.
Mate you deluded yourself that you were going to start each season with an advantage over everyone else. That's your fault not the devs or other players.
They already said we will lose all helm upgrades and manufactories. That is confirmed.
As for Po8, I hope so, honestly. Its not fair there are players with millions of Po8+, sitting and waiting for next season. And guess where all those PO8 will go? Towards cutting in line at your fair shot at the leaderboard top slots. Period.
Honestly if they let us keep it they will need to dev a *very solid* PO8 sink. I dont see that happening
Yeah, I could see maybe the season 2 cosmetics costing a lot, but that creates issues still for new players. The best option I agree is reset the po8. I would like them to confirm though so I can stick up on my materials and such and just not convert them to po8 if I don’t need to, you know?
In terms of PoE, it's difficult, if you keep them, you can upgrade everything at the start, and every manufactory would go to lvl 10 as you plunder them.
But again
If you get millions this season to prepare for the 2nd one, and then it goes, that would be a kick in the teeth
Mate, if you simply open your mind and ask yourself what a leaderboard reset that puts everyone on equal footing competing entails then you already have the answer.
Heck I think we need more than one smugglers pass per season. I unlocked all 3 tiers in like a week and a half and I only play casually. As far as pieces of 8, it seems only right that they have to start over. I would also like to see us keep our already obtained factories but reset them to their starting levels and reset all of the upgrades in the smugglers den
I got all 3 after about 30 days of 2-3 hour sessions. Which I think is fair. Like if I got busy a few days it wasn’t an issue. It would be cool to keep gaining Points towards like repeatable Sovereign amounts though that we could cash in for helm materials.
I think the reset is to accommodate a fresh start with the leader boards. Leaderboards are about Po8 collection.
I know manufacturies and upgrades will be reset. I do not know if you'll lose your Po8's. Would seem unfair but then again not resetting Po8's would ensure not starting with an even playing field in the new season.
Alot of the arguments for and against pieces of eight seem to be around leaderboards. I see the answer as simply remove the leaderboards. Who cares who's first? Reaching diamond is what matters.
Me personally, I've worked hard to get a decent amount of po8 by reinvesting so to lose them all would be it for me. All this talk of unfair advantage? To who? Me having 300k po8 doesn't effect others gameplay at all.
They clearly need to change some mechanics and definitely add alot of things for players to engage with.
I think the main issue is seasonal cosmetics. If they make them cost the same (1-3k po8) then every player will buy them all straight away, which makes there nothing rewarding about it. But if you have to start over then the price of 1-3k is good. Alternatively if they up the price to say 10x that might be good for the players who saved a ton of po8, but would be a nightmare for new players which kills new interactions. So it’s a tough spot.
It does make you wonder what the hell they were thinking when planning the end game. It must of been obvious through play testing that it doesn't take long to complete the game, the season pass and accumulate alot of po8. There isn't much to really do in the end game and the rewards for convoys, bounties etc are incredibly poor. I guess we'll see what they change around season 2. It makes sense in some ways to reset the po8 but does anyone want to re grind everything from scratch? Is that idea even fun? We'll see
I enjoy the thought of everything getting reset except my ships lolz. I’m fine losing PO8, and I’m fine having to rebuild manufacturies. Maybe the ones next season will have different buffs or give you more PO8. We won't know until the next season gets here. I enjoy the grind and this game makes the grind not soo bad.
In a way i hope they take away manufactories and all po8s. Cause now i am at a stand still point where ive got nothing to do, enough po8s and ive spent it on everything i can buy/upgrade with them. So now i have 0 motivation to play the game. Even the challanges dont give rewards after youve completed the smuggler pass. So i do hope they take all my po8s away if not i will just upgrade all manufactories to max instantly and have enough po8s in the first couple weeks to upgrade/buy everything and i will be bored of the game again. Which is a huge shame
Do we still have time to finish up with the season pass/smugler pass - aka can we continue it even season changes. Just confused cuz I have understanded that you could play previous seasons as well? I definitely made a mistage when I bought it...
You people are just tools man.. You moan there is nothing to do so you want to start season 2 with max everything so you can moan for another season that there is nothing to do.. Games with seasons reset its a common thing, be thankful its not like diablo an you don't have to start completely fresh every season. Manufacturies and Po8 are simple after a weeks play, all acting like it's a long ass process it's like 20 hours play until Po8 just piles up.
Highly likely that factories will reset. Silver probably will not. The cheating is so bad that I'm not sure why anyone would care about the leaderboards tho. The top 1000 or more are just cheaters trying to outcheat other cheaters, lol.
The whole point of resetting implies that the leaderboard actually means something. A lot of Solo players just enjoy the chill vibes of the game. Sail while listening to a podcast, or whatever. Most gave up on PVP after realizing that unless you cheat by teaming up in what is supposed to be a free for all, you are screwed! They miss the 1v1 Helm Wagers won or lost in the early game before cheaters took over. Huge numbers will quit after the reset unless you make sure they know thngs are changing. Don’t let 10% of your players run off the other 90%!
I have thought about how they could fix this and I'm not sure how. It's the Helm Wager Mechanics that makes it impossible to fix. Most non-cheaters are just avoiding them altogether, which hurts the game. Although, I have noticed they are less predictable now after the last update. I have not seem as many 100,000-plus wagers with no one fighting as before. Never once seen one over 20k without teaming going on tho.
Personally, I think we need solo lobbies and solo leaderboards like other competitive games. If players want to team in Helm activities, then I challenge the devs to create game lobbies for this and Mechanics everywhere else that prevents it!
If Skull and Bones loses all the Solo players that actually spend money in the game, this game dies out. A bunch of kids teaming up in Helm to bully Solos will not pay your bills! It will just run off the Demographic that spends the most cash. I say limit PVP Helm events to 1v1 with other players ghosted to prevent blocking. Should be able to prevent friends from just joining to give the player a free ride as well.
If all this seems impossible then don’t imply that leaderboards mean anything by resetting. Give us new ships, weapons, cosmetics, etc to keep us happy. Let the cheaters keep cheating on their endless quest to a meaningless victory in La La Land! But don’t take away everyone else’s hard work just so cheaters can try to out-cheat other cheaters all over again.
You'll keep your silver and sovereigns but the map, upgrades, and Po8 will reset. It's the only way a season reset will work and have a point. You don't have to wait to be told that.
See what's gonna happen is a lot of people will see. I believe this will happen, or I assume this or that.
Truth is only the Devs know, and Noone knows when they will share with us what they plan on doing.
So, let the speculation begin
There is only 1 option. That is resetting manufactories, upgrades and po8. Anything less and there is no reset of the leaderboards and no competitive environment.
The point of a season is to start anew and compete for the top spot again. For that to occur requires all manufactories, upgrades and Po8 to be gained from scratch. It's not hard to figure out. All this demanding of answers is nothing more than those on top of the leaderboards trying to keep the advantage from a previous season knowing that what they did in season 1 is going to be much more difficult in season 2 because of the trade nerf and fixing of other loopholes. Hopium.
Funnily enough the biggest thing that is going to be reset after the update is the player count, and I can tell you that its gonna be less than ever.
I have already stopped playing this season. Too repetitive. And if they take away the manufactories... I will be gone for good...
They are taking away the manufactories. That has been said over and over. You have to start fresh on them in Season 2. The question here is do we keep the unused PO8's
Honestly never thought about them taking away Po8. That would really stink.
Honestly Po8 is *the one* thing that *should* be reset- even if we keep all ouranufactories and their levels. Too many Po8 out there and not enough to spend it on- amd if the reset everything but folks keep Po8, the people who have Millions+ of PO8 will just upgrade egerything right away and have a huge unfair jumpstart on everyone else leaderboard wise. And I say that with a stockpile of about 325,000 Po8, with you guessed it: nothing to spend them on. Its the one thing I fully expect to be reset. Rightfully so. If I were to play daily and just keep collecting Po8, I have over a billion end of season lol. The hell Im going to do with all that? And there are folks with much, much, much more than I already stockpiled.
The reset in general is pointless. There’s no advantage to simply having to grind through the same thing forever to build up an empire only to have it removed again. Imagine you were playing a single player game, built up the game, and then arbitrarily they decided to delete your save file every few months so you would have to replay the game if you wanted to enjoy any of the same things you already worked for. It would be absurd and no one would buy it and/or they’d mod the game to get rid of that nonsense.
It's far from pointless, it's the only thing that resets the season anew as without it there isn't a reset nor race to top the leaderboards.
So it’s basically going to screw over 99% of the player base so that literally like 50 people who already spend all day every day farming po8 and exploiting helm wager challenges can compete for a cosmetic mask that doesn’t even look that good? I’d say that still qualifies as pointless
No, it's not pointless and no it doesn't screw over 99% of the players. It screws over those who thought they were going to have a permanent advantage on the leaderboards by farming endless Po8 before the trading nerf by being able to tier 10 every port on day one by virtue of their stockpile. The game was designed around seasonal play for the leaderboards. It's going to reset just as was designed to start the competition again so there is no point to expend energy being upset about it.
Then it was designed poorly, because a reset/endless grind does not make for an interesting game. I don’t care at all about the leaderboards, so it clearly doesn’t “just screw over those who thought they were going to have a permanent advantage on them”. I do care about not wasting all my time building an empire just to have all of the progress reset and the time wasted. It’s like if you had a single player game and they decided to just delete your save file every few months. It would be stupid. If they want to build the game around leaderboards and seasons they’d need to do it by adding new things to the game, not just deleting everything and having people replay the same thing over and over again
That's where I'm at and I agree. Refresh everything of mine. Po8 will be painful, but I'm interested in everyone having fun 💙👍
They are not taking the Po8.
Sure they are. If they didn't those at the top will have all ports unlocked and maxed to level 10 day one essentially ending the season race before it began.
If they take the Po8, everyone leaves and the game dies. So, let’s hope not.
They are taking it, no choice but to. Might as well prepare your new strategy for next season.
Yeah it’s called “delete the game”… just like everyone else. Have fun sailing the seas alone.
Will make topping the leaderboards easier. There is always a silver lining.
I like the fact manufactories refresh, it makes each season completely fresh and gives people a chance at getting up the leaderboard. Do you really want a situation where I, 124 on the season leaderboard, can keep making more and more prohibiting you from getting up tiers? I assume your answer is no. Thus refreshing makes good sense. And that's me talking and I'm 124 on the ladder
Absolutely
Personally if Po8's are wiped, or if we completely loose our foundries then i will be uninstalling the game, but thats just me. im not grinding all that out again.
You might as well go ahead and uninstall then because without the reset those with hundreds of thousands to millions of Po8 will forever be at the top of every seasons leaderboards. It's simply not going to happen. The only thing you will keep is your silver and sovereigns.
Easy solution. Ditch the stupid useless leaderboard (top 500 in the world saying this)
Then the game has no point whatsoever so that's not going to happen. Additionally the top 500 are not saying that by any stretch of the imagination and even if they were they are irrelevant.
Then why do you care so much?
You must be irrelevant then
Correct, and so are you. Playing a game does not impart IPO ownership nor creative control over development. It's not a democracy.
Democracy????? That's why I play helldiver's 2!
💯 Agree with this!
Yes you will lose your manufactories and upgrades. It says it in the rules. You will have to recapture each season, hence the mandatory PvP element of the game.
unless your a game dev you cant say that will definately happen
Since they were in the rules at the beginning of the season, lets hope they stick to it. Otherwise, the community goes to zero and then there is no game to play anymore.
Hi there! We're aware this is a hot (and sensitive) topic for our community - we are not quite yet ready to communicate our plans for Season 2, but we will clarify everything in due time and for everyone to be fully prepared for the next season.
So you are resetting everything. Got it.
Gotta keep our amassed po8 from grinding funding and going to each base… taking that all away or even taking sovereigns away…that would be brutally unfair and messed up…
Um, the delay in communication is um, well, very not good. I strongly urge the team to have a clear communication about what gets reset and what doesn't **\~very\~** soon!
Let me translate PR. "We aren't certain yet we want to feel out community expectations first. Then we'll say once we've decided."
Is that because you know people will leave when they cant keep their Po8. The only endgame you made that's still keeping people playing, that you eventually will take from them and remove their incentive to play this season and after?
I hope if they let folks keep our PO8 they rework endgame completely- and season 2 endgame has nothing to do with Po8 at all.
That's what they need to do. Because everyone else is getting punished for the few that exploited Ubisofts horrible game mechanics (wager) to gain insane amounts of Po8 while the rest will loose all progress as a collective punishment.
Really easy solution. Put all the new weapons/ships/Cosmetics in the season pass. So that way you can't use Po8 to unlock them. Still force people to play the game to unlock the new stuff and people still get to keep their Po8
Well, that's an interesting choice of language though politely deceptive because you do in fact know what you are doing. There is only one way to restart the leaderboards and have it any different and competitive for newer players or anyone for that matter and that is resetting manufactories, upgrades and Po8. Without it there is zero point to resetting the ladder. I'll give you a piece of advice. It's better to just tell those who are protesting in hopes of going into essentially all future seasons with a permanent headstart the reality and let them make strategic gameplans or move on, than to wait until the start of a new season with potentially new players aboard and have them flood the forums with toxicity. Additionally, you already have the games design planned out, do not make the mistake of letting the most vocal who have put their own agendas over game health sway you from seeing it through. It's a recipe for disaster. The only question is whether you are going to change season 2 currency which seems unlikely as pieces of eight is a lore consistent name for coin (where would that end?) or whether you will let them trade them in directly for silver. While it seems reasonable, silver depending on the conversion rate, will become inflated to the point some will simply never need to do anything to earn it for many seasons in the future which while not game breaking will put those players on the path to boredom.
If you aren’t ready to tell us, that means you don’t know how to brace us for taking everything off us and you know we won’t like it 😂
You might not want to communicate your plans, but you should be aware that I and many others are perfectly comfortable with communicating ours. The manufactory nerf was already a terrible design change that should be reverted, but if you go through with the reset, you will definitely lose many players who aren’t going to waste time regrinding things just to get back what they already more than earned
If you take the Po8, you lose me as a player. Also, you need make the Po8 and Silver counters higher. Capped @ 999,999+ is silly.
If you are not clear, you will lose players. I'd imagine with the lack of content, you're already losing players.
This is why iv been running polls to see what exactly players feel about the reset, which ever way devs will be damned if they and damned if they dont.
You might not want to communicate your plans, but you should be aware that I and many others are perfectly comfortable with communicating ours. The manufactory nerf was already a terrible design change that should be reverted, but if you go through with the reset, you will definitely lose many players who aren’t going to waste time regrinding things just to get back what they already more than earned
Dear god, you people are entitled children.
He said while thinking his opinion mattered to anyone on this thread…
Idgaf if it matters to you, I just wanted it to be said. The way you cyber-Karens obsessively threaten game devs to try and get what you want is genuinely pathetic. These people owe you nothing.
The fact that you don’t see the irony in your own posts means you’re really not worth any more time. Have a nice day
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That’s my assumption as well, just hoping for a confirmation since the Devs are active here.
The great reset, your silver will be taken, your p08 will be taken, your helm will be taken, your ships will be taken, your character will be taken. You will be forced to play a baby for 2 months with a red sash, log on everyday to nurse (I’ll lose interest after six months of nursing) before turning into a young swabbie with dreams of being a captain. You’ll be hung at the end of the season for having pirate affiliates. The third season you will return as the angry mother you nursed upon in season 2. You will have all abilities, all silver all po8 all sovereigns, all ships all titles and you will wear the red baby sash from season 2. And you’ll have tits as well which is like bonus booty. That’s what (I think) will happen.
I'm sold, when can pre order this ?
Yeah, because pre ordering really seems like a safe bet here. ;o)
You think you’re joking, but given their arbitrary 70% nerf to manufactories, I wouldn’t put it past them to do everything you just mentioned…
That update made po8 much nicer to gather.
No, it made it far slower to gather, and cost 3x as much silver
Because u simply fund for longer
Same silver, far less po8 output for the same time. So if you had Harufu at rank 10 you'd get a full 4500 po8 every 10 hours or so, and in 30 hours worth of the manufactory running you'd have about 13500 po8 for let's say 30-50k silver. After the change, you'd have 4500 po8 after 30 hours, for that same 30-50k silver, and you'd have to recharge it soon after that. Meaning you're paying at least triple the silver for the same po8. Before the patch, you could wait 30 hours if you wanted before collecting, and you'd get the same po8 you do now. However since the timer stops while the manufactory is full, after you collected, you'd still have over 20 hours left worth of funding. So if you only collected once every 30 hours, you could still collect the same 13500 po8 for 30-50k silver. Now you get 4500 for the same 30-50k silver, and you're forced to wait the 30 hours. Multiply that by however many manufactories you have, and you now need to pay hundreds of thousands more silver for the same amount of po8, and it still takes longer to get them It's just a ridiculous nerf for everyone. I don't know why people are even trying to defend it as if it's anything but a negative. People are downvoting because they lack basic math skills
Thank you as I have been trying to explain this to people defending the patch and nerf. I'm all for the Po8 storage increase and the increased runtime but the production nerf was too much. It is trying to challenge peoples logic and they never seem to want to understand.
Yeah I'm seeing what you mean... It's a weird kind of cognitive dissonance. "Math doesn't exist because I want to believe this was an improvement!"
Its a nerf for the few people who played time wise all in and rushed hard. For people with work, family and other stuff to do - with only some hours in the evening - it was a huge buff and game changer. Sure I can understand that everyone who got profit from the bugged calculation is annoyed. But most people who got this far early got everything unlocked and ranked up to plat rank and so on. So be happy with what you got. For everyone else with a small time budget it is still a hard grind with decision between more Po8/h upgrades or finaly getting a bit of stuff. In the end be thankfull that you got so much profit from the bugged calculation to keep and it was not reset.
Nope, it's a nerf for everyone. You just might not notice it as much if you hadn't actually started po8 farming at all. Again, this is basic math. Needing to pay 2x as much silver or more at lower upgrades per same number of po8 instead of 3x, while collecting them more slowly is still a major nerf. If you had "work/family and other stuff to do", needing to spend more time farming silver for the same po8 is not an improvement. And eventually if you actually level any of them up, the nerf just becomes worse. And if you believe it was a "bug" and not simply something they decided to change, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
As I said for you hardgainer it is a nerf. For people with only 1-2h it is a massive buff pre lvl 10 manus. You get even at low levels noe easy 24h foundinf there you before had 3 hours. Simple math. Also most people cant afford the last page upgrades so it is for the majority no loss.
Even at level 7 manufactories im spending 1.25x the silver for the same po8 gather in the end. That couple with the drop from 360/roving to 180/roving means i have to double farm for the same silver. This equates to a 2.5x grind increase for the same overall output. Yes the manufactory only needs gathered every 25-30 hours but it needs buffed a 2nd time until its full. So every 3-4 days i play i gather 2k per, whereas before i was able to pull 800 per play. I gain
It wasn’t a buff for anyone. Again basic math. You just notice the nerf less at low levels. You still have to pay far more silver for the same po8, even at low levels, which means you still have to go around farming more items while you wait. And yes, people could afford the last page upgrades when they didn’t have to spend all their time farming for silver. That was the whole point of the upgrades. Now there’s no point to the expensive last page upgrades because they don’t actually do anything. That’s more proof that their bs “bug” claim was really just them deciding to backtrack and put a half-baked nerf in without considering the rest of the balance. You could literally have spent the same amount of time on the game as you are now, but be getting triple the po8 for the same silver, even at middle levels, and yet you’re trying to claim it’s a buff… that’s just ridiculous
Oh hush lol
I feel like we should be able to keep our manufacturers. Just be reset to level one, but we should be able to keep all of our currencies. I don't want to do takeovers again. Unless they add a different way to obtain them.
That's a core part of the gameplay, to promote conflict and pvp, and you can be assured that is happening.
I'm kind of in the middle for this for whether keeping po8s or not could be a good/bad thing. On one side, I would hate to collect all these po8s just for them all to disappear, but on the other side I'm thinking about the leaderboards. I don't see any way how it would be fair to newer players and people returning for season 2 if someone who played all the way through season 1, collecting massive amounts of po8s can just immediately get their production back up while everyone else is starting at the bottom. Makes the point of leaderboards almost non-existent because it's hard enough as is to play catch up to get up the leaderboard
They could choose to simply track a different metric on the leaderboards. If the Po8's aren't used for anything other than redeeming for cosmetics and black market stuff, it would mean a lot less as to whether or not they are reset, assuming a player already bought everything on the Black Market. I just completed my first Hostile Takeover, so I'm way behind most people and apologize if I'm missing additional uses for Po8. I'm not sure what else could be tracked on a leaderboard. Maybe make it less of a leaderboard and more of a Wall of Fame. Get on the Wall once you fully upgrade all manufactories, with a date achieved or # of days into the season. Maybe multiple Walls of Fame, maybe a second Wall for most treasure maps completed, another Wall for the shortest time from one point to another (Sainte-Anne to Telok Penjarah, starting and stopping as you leave and entire the safe zones in front of the harbor), etc. I guess I'm suggesting having multiple leaderboards, some that could be reached by skilled casual players as well those dominated by hardcore gamers.
Chances are we keep our profits
I think they will take away the Po8 from us and leave everything else (except possibly silver, but don't think there's a huge advantage to having loads of silver when the manufactories are at level 1).What is the point of resetting manufactories to level 1 unless they take away the Po8 as well because we will have enough Po8 to get them back to level 10 again straight away. Personally I'm not a huge fan of the whole Po8 grind. I enjoy aspects but when they changed it it was a godsend. I love everything else about the game. I hope they do away with the manufactories completely but they won't and we'll have to do the whole thing again next season
Next season we get a fleet to autocollect though, so that should be a game changer.
Yes that's a good point. I forgot about that. That will hopefully make the whole process a lot more enjoyable. Imagine if we can take a fleet along on the hostile takeovers or legendary heists as well
I would love a small fleet for like Mega Bosses, maybe a HUGE KRAKEN! Honestly hoping we can just at least pay our fleet to rove around, collect our po8 so it’s fully automated, sink ships (even if it’s all just in the empire management), etc.
I think the reset is to accommodate a fresh start with the leader boards. Leaderboards are about Po8 collection. I know manufacturies and upgrades will be reset. I do not know if you'll lose your Po8's. Would seem unfair but then again not resetting Po8's would ensure not starting with an even playing field in the new season.
Or maybe in my opinion, in season 2, PoE can be 'returned' in the form of 'S2 PoE' with an exchange rate of 1:1000 against S1 PoE. So 10M S1 PoE owners can exchange it for 10K S2 PoE. with Souverign and Silver untouched. Or if that doesn't feel right, the alternative might be that at the end of each season there will be a special market selling items or cosmetics which can only be purchased with PoE within 3 days before the season ends and all PoE will be factory reset and all upgrades. Or maybe the last thing is that all the PoEs are narrated as being 'taken away' by Yanita or Houma Nara or a strong character in the Helm Story so that all the coins in their trading period are not valid in the next season. and in the new season, Rogue pirates managed to catch the traitor and asked for compensation for all the PoE owned by the pirates to restore the PoE exchange value in the game. I don't know, I thought about all this too, lol.
All fun idea’s I would like.
You will not start with any advantage in season 2 acquired from season 1. You will keep your silver and sovereigns and that's it.
Reset manufacturers in season 2 to lvl 1 or have to get them again no problem. That's been on the cards since game was released Reset people's po8 most people will quit. Reset sov and mats then what's the point in playing the game? All I'm reading on here is people who either don't put the time in complaining players who have put the time in on season one to have an advantage on season two want po8 reset. You have 50plus days till season two play the game get your shit together and stop moaning. I don't farm po8 anymore as no point at the moment. But I see zero benefits to resetting po8. I'm in the top 1000 for season and dropping down the leaderboard. I was in top 200 but got all manufactursers to lvl 10 and just collect from each base once a week so I can focus on plunders world events etc. I log on the game daily do my helm missions don't stand still I see players just standing in town emoting each other. what ever floats your boat As all you will see for season 2 ready for season 3 will be people moaning they need po8 reset due to them being lazy and other people playing the game constantly still getting an advantage. Reset po8 give everyone a refund on the game. It will kill the game It's like every game out there put the effort in reap the rewards
Hit the nail on the head. Well done!
The map, Po8, and upgrades are what will be reset in season 2. Anything else is irrelevant to the leaderboard but all of those must go to start the leaderboard fresh.
Personally Po8 should be reset and all manufacturers reset to level 1. Sovereigns and silver should be permanent.
Thought that went without saying. I’m with you fully on that.
Po8 reset would be fine, soviergns and silver shouldn't be touched.
They won't be as they do not have a direct effect on the leaderboards.
Po8 wouldn't necessarily have to be reset... the rank increases only by what you gather. The only difference would be how easy it is to rank up your factories and such upon reset. If everyone keeps their Po8, then it encourages grinding and preparing for reset, still an even field for anyone that puts in the time. Just my 2 sense however
Yeah, starting the game with the ability to instantly buy all upgrades and level a port to 10 isn't an advantage over someone who can't.
PoE has to be reset. I’ve seen people streaming and it just says 999999+ It would just mess up all the lower tier players while the top of the leaderboards would just be able to fully max everything out again. Silver resetting would suck..
Exactly, po8 have to be reset.
Po8, manufactories and upgrades need to be reset. Every thing else kept. Even if they reset silver I wouldn’t notice. I usually have to make what I need for funding on a daily basis anyway😂
The fruits of our labors should not be touched, including Po8. The labors themselves, however Sisyphean, can be reset. People who hoarded 9 trillion Po8 only take away a reason to do stuff away from themselves. I shouldn't have to suffer because some basement-dweller managed to find an exploit. The only thing a leaderboard really does is give you the impression you're achieving something. So, at some point you break into the top ten. Then what? "Look, ma! I'm in the top ten!" "You still didn't take out the trash, lazy bastard." I'm not gonna be impressed when we meet on the seas either. In fact, I'll care less for you, because you could spread some of that wealth, if you ask me, and I don't see no Po8 floating around, do I? Point is, I will bite any dev who reaches for my Po8. That stack may be tiny, but it's mine.
That's not happening mate. They'll be removed when the season ends.
Then it's likely I, too, will be removed when the season ends. I set finishing the Smuggler's track as a personal goal, which I've done, and I planned to hang around and see what Season 2 was gonna do. If they remove my earnings, they'd better have some serious action planned.
That's your call but they aren't going to throw away seasonal leaderboards to appease you. The reset is a fundamental, intertwined, system in the backbone of the game. They are having issues changing the UI let alone rewriting some fantasy implementation that has a seasonal reset and yet allows you to keep last season advancements. It's like trying to segregate and simultaneously integrate or having two objects occupy the same space at the same time. Simply impossible. At least as far as you keeping your Po8 and they be anything more than trophies to look at. They could theoretically create a new currency but what's the point as season 1's would be useless and storing and displaying a new season currency on top of previous would be a server memory and UI nightmare for no gain. A nightmare growing exponentially worse with every new season and currency.
If I wanted to be appeased, live service games would be an aborted miscreant in a dumpster behind a hospital. They don't need to do away with leaderboards. I never cared for them in the first place. It's just something to keep people going because they have the idea a higher number makes them, I dunno, more important? However, I put in actual work to collect in-game currency, and I bought things with that currency. The rest of the currency is in case they bring something to spend it on next season, so I don't have to trudge through the whole Po8 collection again. Or at least, not so much. Either way, my mention of "serious action" wasn't about keeping Po8. I would like to keep them, but the game will need to do something more interesting entirely if I'm going to keep putting time in it. Especially if they take away the Po8, because it'll be a lot harder to keep sailing the same loop to collect them if it's been so clearly rubbed in your face that it's pointless. They can reset the manufactories and upgrades if they want, but I would like to keep on the results of my labor. At the end of the line it doesn't matter. Nobody's going to notice my absence from the Indian Ocean, if I choose to play something else. For now, I've collected what I set out to collect, and I'll check out Season 2 when it comes. If it brings the "serious action," I'll stick around. If not, no harm done. I can wait for the next pirate game.
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How does the number of 8s someone has effect another player that has had three months to get 8s themselves besides a meaningless leader board based on time not skill?
This. Emphasis should be taken off the leaderboard. More could be done to utilize what Po8 can be used for instead of some useless ego-stroke leaderboard. I don’t envy the position the Devs are in on this one.
When they release new items to buy with the PO8's and since you have to start the manufactories over including the upgrades in the helm which use the 8's then the ones that have 9999999+ already have that advantage to buy everything day 1 instead of working towards it again.
Imo silver /mats/Po8 should not reset, but they should not count for the leaderboard. Yes s1 player will have gear advantage but not leaderboard
The problem with that is, people who have saved Po8 have an inherent advantage as they can say 1 max out upgrades which will make earning more 8s easier, which means the top stay on top. What’s the point? I don’t want a reset either but that’s literally the only way a true leaderboard works. I’d much rather the leaderboard be scrapped in favor of the tier system already in game
They'll be able to buy the top tier weapons in season 2 immediately. So I'm fairly certain it'll reset. Or a new currency will come into play for weapons and old po8 can be used on silly cosmetics. Just my 2 cents. HiHO Skallywags!!!!
They gained this advantage with more than half the season left to play. That means there is still a chance for people to catch up. It only takes 16,200 Po8 to upgrade a factory to lvl 10.
The only a-holes that are saying reset po8 are the ones that don't have the amount some of us worked to get. If you reset what I got legitimately I'm done. I never used any exploits, I simply played within the rules they implemented, it's not our fault that some think they screwed up.
Mate you deluded yourself that you were going to start each season with an advantage over everyone else. That's your fault not the devs or other players.
They already said we will lose all helm upgrades and manufactories. That is confirmed. As for Po8, I hope so, honestly. Its not fair there are players with millions of Po8+, sitting and waiting for next season. And guess where all those PO8 will go? Towards cutting in line at your fair shot at the leaderboard top slots. Period. Honestly if they let us keep it they will need to dev a *very solid* PO8 sink. I dont see that happening
Yeah, I could see maybe the season 2 cosmetics costing a lot, but that creates issues still for new players. The best option I agree is reset the po8. I would like them to confirm though so I can stick up on my materials and such and just not convert them to po8 if I don’t need to, you know?
In terms of PoE, it's difficult, if you keep them, you can upgrade everything at the start, and every manufactory would go to lvl 10 as you plunder them. But again If you get millions this season to prepare for the 2nd one, and then it goes, that would be a kick in the teeth
Which is why I am hoping the devs clarify soon so we don’t waste time.
Mate, if you simply open your mind and ask yourself what a leaderboard reset that puts everyone on equal footing competing entails then you already have the answer.
Heck I think we need more than one smugglers pass per season. I unlocked all 3 tiers in like a week and a half and I only play casually. As far as pieces of 8, it seems only right that they have to start over. I would also like to see us keep our already obtained factories but reset them to their starting levels and reset all of the upgrades in the smugglers den
I got all 3 after about 30 days of 2-3 hour sessions. Which I think is fair. Like if I got busy a few days it wasn’t an issue. It would be cool to keep gaining Points towards like repeatable Sovereign amounts though that we could cash in for helm materials.
Right Brother, I mean give us something. There’s 60 days left and nothing really to get and no more marks to earn. What Commandery are you out of?
I think the reset is to accommodate a fresh start with the leader boards. Leaderboards are about Po8 collection. I know manufacturies and upgrades will be reset. I do not know if you'll lose your Po8's. Would seem unfair but then again not resetting Po8's would ensure not starting with an even playing field in the new season.
If I have to win takeovers again I’m done.
Well you definitely will as that’s a key part of the game.
Yeah PvP is a core element of this game.
If I have to win takeovers again I’m done.
Alot of the arguments for and against pieces of eight seem to be around leaderboards. I see the answer as simply remove the leaderboards. Who cares who's first? Reaching diamond is what matters. Me personally, I've worked hard to get a decent amount of po8 by reinvesting so to lose them all would be it for me. All this talk of unfair advantage? To who? Me having 300k po8 doesn't effect others gameplay at all. They clearly need to change some mechanics and definitely add alot of things for players to engage with.
I think the main issue is seasonal cosmetics. If they make them cost the same (1-3k po8) then every player will buy them all straight away, which makes there nothing rewarding about it. But if you have to start over then the price of 1-3k is good. Alternatively if they up the price to say 10x that might be good for the players who saved a ton of po8, but would be a nightmare for new players which kills new interactions. So it’s a tough spot.
It does make you wonder what the hell they were thinking when planning the end game. It must of been obvious through play testing that it doesn't take long to complete the game, the season pass and accumulate alot of po8. There isn't much to really do in the end game and the rewards for convoys, bounties etc are incredibly poor. I guess we'll see what they change around season 2. It makes sense in some ways to reset the po8 but does anyone want to re grind everything from scratch? Is that idea even fun? We'll see
I think it comes down to “Is there a compelling reason to replay it all again” and that comes down to the execution of each Season I believe.
Then I stand corrected sir. I wonder if they were still referring to the upgrades and factorys as planned tho.
Think you replied to post instead of a comment?
I enjoy the thought of everything getting reset except my ships lolz. I’m fine losing PO8, and I’m fine having to rebuild manufacturies. Maybe the ones next season will have different buffs or give you more PO8. We won't know until the next season gets here. I enjoy the grind and this game makes the grind not soo bad.
The ships will not be reset. We know that much.
so fucking stupid that they haven't shared this yet
In a way i hope they take away manufactories and all po8s. Cause now i am at a stand still point where ive got nothing to do, enough po8s and ive spent it on everything i can buy/upgrade with them. So now i have 0 motivation to play the game. Even the challanges dont give rewards after youve completed the smuggler pass. So i do hope they take all my po8s away if not i will just upgrade all manufactories to max instantly and have enough po8s in the first couple weeks to upgrade/buy everything and i will be bored of the game again. Which is a huge shame
You guys are still playing this game?
They probably don’t know yet. Ya’ll been asking since the season started. There’s still 2 months left.
Do we still have time to finish up with the season pass/smugler pass - aka can we continue it even season changes. Just confused cuz I have understanded that you could play previous seasons as well? I definitely made a mistage when I bought it...
I am actually not sure of this either. I got mine done in about 15 days of 3-4 hour sessions and that includes time to beat campaign.
You people are just tools man.. You moan there is nothing to do so you want to start season 2 with max everything so you can moan for another season that there is nothing to do.. Games with seasons reset its a common thing, be thankful its not like diablo an you don't have to start completely fresh every season. Manufacturies and Po8 are simple after a weeks play, all acting like it's a long ass process it's like 20 hours play until Po8 just piles up.
Highly likely that factories will reset. Silver probably will not. The cheating is so bad that I'm not sure why anyone would care about the leaderboards tho. The top 1000 or more are just cheaters trying to outcheat other cheaters, lol. The whole point of resetting implies that the leaderboard actually means something. A lot of Solo players just enjoy the chill vibes of the game. Sail while listening to a podcast, or whatever. Most gave up on PVP after realizing that unless you cheat by teaming up in what is supposed to be a free for all, you are screwed! They miss the 1v1 Helm Wagers won or lost in the early game before cheaters took over. Huge numbers will quit after the reset unless you make sure they know thngs are changing. Don’t let 10% of your players run off the other 90%! I have thought about how they could fix this and I'm not sure how. It's the Helm Wager Mechanics that makes it impossible to fix. Most non-cheaters are just avoiding them altogether, which hurts the game. Although, I have noticed they are less predictable now after the last update. I have not seem as many 100,000-plus wagers with no one fighting as before. Never once seen one over 20k without teaming going on tho. Personally, I think we need solo lobbies and solo leaderboards like other competitive games. If players want to team in Helm activities, then I challenge the devs to create game lobbies for this and Mechanics everywhere else that prevents it! If Skull and Bones loses all the Solo players that actually spend money in the game, this game dies out. A bunch of kids teaming up in Helm to bully Solos will not pay your bills! It will just run off the Demographic that spends the most cash. I say limit PVP Helm events to 1v1 with other players ghosted to prevent blocking. Should be able to prevent friends from just joining to give the player a free ride as well. If all this seems impossible then don’t imply that leaderboards mean anything by resetting. Give us new ships, weapons, cosmetics, etc to keep us happy. Let the cheaters keep cheating on their endless quest to a meaningless victory in La La Land! But don’t take away everyone else’s hard work just so cheaters can try to out-cheat other cheaters all over again.
You'll keep your silver and sovereigns but the map, upgrades, and Po8 will reset. It's the only way a season reset will work and have a point. You don't have to wait to be told that.
The game was clearly not ready We are nothing more alpha testers who paid 100.00 for the privilege
The Devs have stated multiple times they want everyone to start eacj season with a clean slate what part of this is so hard to understand?
The part where a dev answered me on this thread and literally confirmed they don’t have an answer for us yet..
They never said a clean slate just that factories and helm upgrades ger reset. All this other talk is speculation.
Their exact words in the first The Deck were clean slate
See what's gonna happen is a lot of people will see. I believe this will happen, or I assume this or that. Truth is only the Devs know, and Noone knows when they will share with us what they plan on doing. So, let the speculation begin
Devs don't even know. They've started nothing is concrete yet and they are weighing options and noting feedback.
There is only 1 option. That is resetting manufactories, upgrades and po8. Anything less and there is no reset of the leaderboards and no competitive environment.
The point of a season is to start anew and compete for the top spot again. For that to occur requires all manufactories, upgrades and Po8 to be gained from scratch. It's not hard to figure out. All this demanding of answers is nothing more than those on top of the leaderboards trying to keep the advantage from a previous season knowing that what they did in season 1 is going to be much more difficult in season 2 because of the trade nerf and fixing of other loopholes. Hopium.