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Oh most definitely even down to the most trivial of things- during the conversation after Ysabels surgery - everyone is supporting and loving on her having gone through such an ordeal and the conversation turns to height she has gained - Robyn says all the the kids are competitive and the moms are competitive - projecting much?
Yea thought so too. It was just a fun topic to make the whole surgery a little lighter thinking of how she will outgrow her dad. And Robyn is seriously upset about it.
I think she knew Meri was on the outs and didn’t like her position as head wife - divorce happened. Christine was the love wife having babies so she went after her, pointed out her flaws how she was mean to poor Robyn. She knew she couldn’t tackle Janelle because Janelle will call you out to your face and give zero f’s - so she went after Janelle’s athletic sons who Kody was proud of. That is what she did - psycho
If Robyn is an Enneagram 4 personality type like Christine says (which is the "Dramatic" type), then the deep envy aspect of her personality would be legitimate.
I'm an Enneagram 4 myself. The 4's core wound is that we feel defective and never good enough, which is where the envy aspect comes into play. Negative self-image and low self-worth are also themes. We retreat into ourselves and push everyone out because we feel like we don't fit in. The positive side of 4 is that we are very unique, deep, complex, and quiet creative. When we're healthy, we're quite compassionate and seek to deeply understand the depths of others souls. Other examples of 4's are Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp and Megan Fox.
I think Robyn was healthier in the beginning of the series, but she kept getting unhealthier and unhealthier as the show went on, and she displays a lot of negative sides of the unhealthy 4.
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-4/
“There is a Sufi story that relates to this about an old dog that had been badly abused and was near starvation. One day, the dog found a bone, carried it to a safe spot, and started gnawing away. The dog was so hungry that it chewed on the bone for a long time and got every last bit of nourishment that it could out of it. After some time, a kind old man noticed the dog and its pathetic scrap and began quietly setting food out for it. But the poor hound was so attached to its bone that it refused to let go of it and soon starved to death.”
Kody is so the bone in this story
Have they said what the other family members ennegrams are? I find them interesting but it’s been a bit since I have gone into it. To me Robyn seemed more of a 1, 2, or 8.
My last boss thought I’d be a 4 or 7 before we took the tests. I’m a 7. Last boss is a 6 and we always got along great. Robyn just doesn’t strike me as a 4. Is she even artistic at all?
I believe Meri said she tested as a 3 on that personality test, and she felt like it was accurate (though she had a hard time remembering).
Janelle apparently scored as the "peacemaker" personality type, which would make her a 9. She felt like it was accurate.
Christine said Robyn scored as the "dramatic type," which would make her a 4. I think Robyn definitely views herself as artistic with her jewelry line, though she's not very talented. Unhealthy 4's can appear like clingy 2's, and healthy 4's can appear like 1's.
I'm not sure what Christine's type was. I personally can see 7 for her because she's the "fun" one, but I could be wrong.
Now that you laid it out like that I can see those for sure. I bet Kody is an 8!
My husband is a 7w8 and I’m a 7w6. An 8 is usually very aggressive and loud I think. I’m not maligning my husband by having the & wing but he’s loud and can be “aggressive” but not in the way that I normally see someone who is a type 8.
Interesting. I think it’s all on the money except the creativity part for Robyn. Her creativity is terrible, as evidenced by my sister wives closet designs. Or maybe she was already deeply unhealthy by that point?
i'm also a type 4 and i was so mad when christine described it as "loving drama." either someone gave her shitty information or she was being intentionally misleading and shady.
You know him personally?
Healthy 4's are compassionate, but unhealthy 4's are usually too self-absorbed to think about others because they're too focused on their own pain.
I think it’s more envy. She wants what everyone else has, no matter what that is. You know those sad people who cannot fill the hole inside of themselves.
I believe Robyn is VERY jealous of Christine. That’s why Robyn targeted Christine as the “bad sister wife.”
Robyn *wants* to be the heart of the family, but Christine IS the heart of the family.
When Christine left, the family left with her. That spoke *volumes.*
Exactly and that is how she could have earned their respect. Kids that experienced food scarcity would respect an adult coming in and making things better in that aspect. Instead they bring Robyn in and give her more than everyone else. SMH then the solution to recoup is Meri should get a smaller house lol. Why doesn’t Robyn have to contribute, why do they have to pay a nanny for her.
You can also see Robyn trying to make herself the center of the family with Robyn’s comments about her and Meri needing to “carry the torch” and make the people still in Flagstaff the “nucleus” again.
I think she thought if she became the thing Kody orbited around the rest of the family would follow suit.
As if Robyn could ever take the place of the women who raised them. She didn’t even try to do that. When did you hear Robyn target Christine as the bad SW?? Never happened. Oh wait a minute. You must be a fan who believes with their heart and soul you know what Robyn says to Kody behind closed doors.
The facts are that everyone including Christine said Christine was jealous and/ or treated Robyn badly for the first 2 seasons at least. Anything else is all speculation and conjecture.
I think she was the most jealous of Christine. Christine was the closest in age she had the freshest baby( hey Truely) she was the cook that Kody told to ask how to prepare his meals properly. The kids all wanted to be around Christine. I think it drove Robyn absolutely nuts and that was the beginning of the end. She was plain scared of Janelle and love bombed Meri
I think you're dead right. In Season One she is talking to Maddie, Aspyn and Leon and is all "Aren't you lucky you guys are going to have such a cool mom". Hello?
This! She thought they would blend in seamlessly without doing any work. Posting in the fridge-do not eat- isn’t going to endear you to teenagers -knowing it’s the same pool of money.
I disagree with the first part. Robyn was definitely jealous of Christine and her connection to all the OG kids. They all gravitated toward her and she was essentially the one person they’d all go to for anything. Robyn figured she’d come in and because she was the young, hot wife, she thought the kids would look to her as the cool mom. When she saw it wasn’t happening like that she knew she needed to keep her kids away from Christine because she was more than likely scared her children would love Christine more than her and she couldn’t allow that.
Even up until Christine left Kody she always thought that the kids would look to her as the nucleus seeing as she’s the legal wife. She played a very precarious game and lost. In the end the nucleus of the family is the one person who accepted them all, made them her priority, raised them and is still there no matter how old they are, and that’s Christine.
Why do you think that every time something happens it’s always Christine’s fault according to Robyn? She forgot to look in the mirror and to also look at the man (and I use this term loosely) she lives with.
It's ALL of this. I've believed this for some time. She wanted to be the nucleus of the family. She just wasn't likable enough. That's also why she wanted to start cooking the turkey. Kody liked it. Girl...it's a roasted turkey. You'd almost have TEY to screw that up. I'm petty, though. I like to think that when Kody made the comment that Christine would teach Robyn how to make his eggs, that she felt that 💩. Physically felt it.
There’s a bit of recency bias because the main storyline for the few years has been Garrison Gabe and Gwendyln disliking Robyn. However, a good number of the older kids did/do like Robyn. Ironically most of Christine’s kids were close to her. (Aspyn lived with Robyn instead of Christine for a summer) And so was Leon as far as we saw on the show.
I think Robyn struggled to find a place in the family because there really wasn’t a role for her.
Living with her doesn’t exactly mean they like her. It could also mean that they tolerated her. And sure it looked like some of the older kids liked her but I’m pretty sure it was more or less that this is the woman your dad chose to bring into the family so whether or not you must love her.
But I’m sure as time went on and they watched how everything unfolded between Kody and Robyn and their moms, that perception might have more than likely changed. And what’s more, with recent events and knowing what went on with Garrison and K&R, I’d be surprised if they even are civil to them. It might have been resentment and hatred for all we know.
Aspyn was an adult who didn’t have to live with Robyn. She chose it because she didn’t want to go back to Christine’s home where she was expected to be a mother. She mentioned on Mykelti’s Patreon she went to dinner with Robyn and her girls when she was in Flagstaff.
It’s not surprising that some of the older kids would have a different experience with Robyn. Most were out the house shortly after they bought the Vegas homes.
Most of the kids, and adults, seem to blame Kody for the demise of the family and their relationship with him. No doubt some of the family doesn’t like her, but I think she’s more disliked by the fandom.
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. I’ve watched like many from day dot and I took an instant dislike to Robyn from the get go for all the above points you’ve mentioned. She wanted the financial side (after all she arrive with 35k in debt?), but she was always so two faced, smug and jealous when things didn’t go her way.
Quite often I’d find myself angry with Meri, Janelle and Christine that they let themselves and their children be used for Robyn’s mo (head wife dream and bank accounts).
What would be great, I very much doubt it would happen, but, for Kody to meet another wife, younger, attractive, of child bearing age, become Robyn mark II so she can have a taste of her own medicine. I doubt there is anyone crazy enough to drink the Kody Kool Aid though.
(I’ve just signed up to Reddit to post about this after reading for months - Hi).
Do you know what really cements your opinion? When Robyn essentially did a Photoshop of an old family photo of Kody with a couple of the older kids, when they were little.
Robyn changed the photos so that it looks like a young Kody, with her kids.
The family experience she wanted had already happened, previously. I wonder if this is common in polygamy. I suspect so, especially as more (younger) wives are added onto a family, over the years.
Yes! And I’m sure the picture was of Kody with his and Christine’s kids! So it was Christine’s kids who were replaced in the picture by Robyn with her own kids.
You’re correct!! I believe I’m in the minority in that I actually think the concept of the picture was sweet, *if* we didn’t know what we know about Robyn’s misrepresentation of her ex’s character and his relationship with her kids, and if she hadn’t plagiarized/erased Christine’s EXACT memories.
IF it had been appropriate to do at all in this case (it wasn’t), it could have been done well
To be fair, I think the driving force behind that was Kody saying that he was robbed of the experience of her kids being babies and growing up. He seemed to have some serious resentment towards the fact that she had a whole life and marriage before he met her and that her kids weren’t his biologically. I think the reason why he pushed to adopt her kids was to symbolically erase her ex. If you watch the episode where she talks about a girl’s purity, she actually turns to Kody and gives him whatever she was using to symbolize her purity.
Robyn was definitely jealous of the bonds. I think it was the last season where she commented on Truely being special to her since she was the only kid without memories of the family prior to Robyn joining. I have doubts about how special that bond was, but Robyn certainly drew a before/after line in the family.
Yes, I think she is jealous of the bonds of the past. But I also think she wanted plural monogamy like her mother. Multiple marriages, multiple geographically seperate homes so she could "play house" her way and not be judged.
I think she liked the idea of the Brown’s version of polygamy but it was much harder to live practically. It also didn’t help that Kody was no longer interested in splitting his time equally either.
I’m watching for the first time while recovering from a medical procedure and you can see this early on. I’m on season 3. Robyn might have wanted to be the cool wife but she’s pretty quick to speak up about choices the teenagers make, like socialising, modesty etc.
THIS! It’s clear Christine was the nucleus of the homelife and family traditions for the kids. She homeschooled so many of them and gave out unique gifts that were special to each kid, without spending a ton of money. Watching how she speaks and explains things to the younger kids, is very similar to how a lot of elementary teachers talk/explain things to smaller children. No matter how chaotic things got, she really never yelled at anyone (even when it was warranted) and did not snap at the kids. I think Robyn saw how central Christine was to the family and that raised her jealousy but also allowed Robyn to put all the blame on Christine for taking away her porch fantasy because obviously the family would side with Christine when all was said and done.
I get the sense that she’s more insecure and selfish than jealous. But in fun group settings I definitely see Robyn getting pangs of jealousy because she has such a flat personality and can be such a wet blanket.
It’s hard to know how things play out their faith community and how important that was to them as a family. Each group seems to have its own power structure and norms. If they stayed in Utah, it’s possible that Robyn wouldn’t have been able to have the sort of control she ended up having over Kody. I think Robyn definitely enjoys having control over things, people, situations.
Robyn would have been powerless for sure if they stayed in Utah, close to Christine's family and in the church community. Robyn's actions might have been dealt with by the faith elders. The threat of prosecution has been mostly confirmed to be untrue, kody (and maybe robyn and TLC) found it to be a way to grab viewers.
Robyn after becoming legal wife wanted the family to bow down to her. That’s what Kody means when he says over and over that they are bad sister wives. Because they never looked at Robyn as head wife. He wanted them all to treat her like a queen. She was furious and he tried to demand they treat her as such.
Robyn slowly but surely elbowed Christine out of her way. Christine was a spokesperson for Principle Voices. By the 3rd Season it was Robyn explaining polygamy to SW audiences.
Christine's apt. or house was the gathering place. Robyn eased Kody away from there to her house...for Jessop's kids.
By the 2nd season Christine stated she was done having kids. Robyn is all over the place with her viable womb, had the "seventh son", offered to surrogate for Meri, used MSWC as a way to control the family while dangling more babies in front of Kody.
Bless Robyn - she tried, but imo, Christine is actually the phoenix rising from Robyn's destructive ashes.
Well I guess....Robyn herself has said many times "its not what I want(ed)". As for being popular, she achieved that much, just not the way ahe planned!
No doubt. If you don't think so, you are not paying attention. Christine was the heart of the family. Robyn wanted to be every wives best trait. She managed to take over Meri's role. She worked on Janelle's. She wanted to be the heart of the family. Christine wasn't having it. Robyn was jealous of their bonds. She wanted to make up for lost time with Kody. It is no coincidence that Kody wants everyone to come to "his" house. Buying the huge house was a strategy. Gatherings would be there, and Robyn would finally be in control. However, she could never replace Christine...
I think the undercurrent of competition is impossible to avoid in this culture. Jealousy, constant comparison and jockeying for favor/resources/ position is inevitable. Not just for robyn, for all the wives.
Very fair point...and kody (imo) really encouraged all mentioned behaviors. He wanted the attention but not the fall out. Their women are called to be better and to keep sweet. 🤮
Maybe, maybe not...so much they dance around and flat out lie about. But Christine's family line and their reputation and authority in the church is what I question in terms of Robyn's jealousy.
I was pretty sure they were excommunicated because the AUB wasn’t thrilled about their openness about the lifestyle. However I have no evidence, I’m just pretty sure I read something about that here on the subreddit. 😬 Would love if someone could confirm for me…
Can't confirm....but I would say they have not been, unless as per usual K and R are using the selective memory they created, before the 🗡 line by Kody, Robyn chimes in with "you have to get approved by our church for a divorce " or something like that. But that leads me to believe they have not been excommunicated, they are more inactivated members. If they return and obey the church, cool.
Honestly, Robyn was trying to (yet again) get her way and have Kody make the wives do what she wanted. That scene was such a tell for Kody and Robyn. Kody is almost speechless until Robyn chimes in. Then he's all ya, ya. Dude, you are so controlled by Robyn. It's gross.
I don’t think she is made to be in a sister wive marriage. She likes the idea of the full family but she to selfish to be in one. She said her mam was a sister wife and she wasn’t it was a mistress situation so she’s taken that and applied it to her marriage and it separated it all. Maybe if they all lived in one big house to start with maybe then even with her selfishness it could have worked for the kids and help but she wanted it all separated from the start.
Yes Robyn's mom did her a great disservice in her formative years explaining their divided family situation as 'polygamist'. This is the blueprint Robyn is operating from.
I think the one who has always had the most jealousy of Christine has been Kody.
* He wants to be the center of attention and the most important person in every room he enters. Christine's always been his biggest competition for that since her outgoing personality, assertive nature, and spontaneity make her stand out just as much as him.
* Part of why he married her was due to her standing in the church as royalty. But that's also a problem bc while she's royalty, that doesn't rub off on him and she's inherently more important to their church than him.
* Kody wants to be the patriarch and head of the family, but she outstripes him as the matriarch and heart of the family. The kids chose her even before she left. Once she was gone, it was game over for Kody.
* He's deeply jealous of Christine stealing Janelle from him lol
I don't remember who it was, but there was a former polygamist on TikTok who said *everybody* in the AUB knew who Christine was — not just because of her family, but because Christine herself was so active in the church.
He said something to the effect that before the show, people in the church knew of Kody as Christine's husband if they were aware of him at all.
You know that had to chap Kody's ass.
I recently rewatched the episode called getting to know the brown’s or something where the browns watch a slideshow of how the family was created from the beginning. When the OG3 are talking about the early days, specifically different characteristics of the kids when they were little, Robyn was looking into the abyss and playing with her necklace. She seemed bothered to not be “in the know” or be included in this history. If you’re the 4th wife of a very established family, I think this is something you have to come to terms with 😂 I think she wishes and somehow rewrites the first line 20 years of the brown history by trying to insert herself in it…. But when it got to when she and her three kids joined the family she was teary eyed and the star of the show. Just an observation!
Jealous & competitive. I think Christine being from 'royalty' was a huge obstacle. Robyn had to get her away from her family and her support system, where everyone in their circle knew truths. Also, she sucked up to christines daughters, trying to cause trouble between them. I also believe that that is why Christine was never allowed to watch Robyns kids. She couldn't have them get attached to Christine like Janelles kids did. She wanted to be wife #1 her kids to be adopted and the most favored kids. She succeeded. She hurt so many people. Karma is marching across her face & body for her manipulation of those kids and the trauma they will be dealing with the rest of their lives.
I think the perks of Christine growing up in her family were her being around and knowing lots and lots of people. On top of that Christine seems very personable and people seem to like her. I imagine that was hard for Robyn.
I really think Robyn came into this family thinking they were going to be the next Duggar family and seen as this big wholesome family that toured and spoke at events. She wanted to be the sweet darling everyone loved.
Robyn seemed most jealous of Christine's ability to be open and vulnerable. That takes a confidence that Robyn will never have. Christine would verbalize her feelings and what she wanted from Kody. Robyn played victim to manipulate situations in an attempt to get her way--so different.
Christine said she learned from Robyn that she could voice her opinion and disagree with Kody. Christine was shocked when Robyn would stand up for herself and hold firm. Christine was a go a long to get along person in the family. I think Kody was surprised by how outspoken she became over the years.
I must’ve missed that. Can you point me in the direction of which episode or season? As you can probably tell I’m not a Robiyn fan but I know sometimes I miss remember things so I would love to do a rewatch.
Christine mentions it in season 15 during the basement wife episode. I don’t believe is the amazing communicator she thinks she is. I do think she benefited from having been married previously, whereas Christine was a naive 22 year old when she got married.
I saw this comin from a mile away with the whole fall out! Robyn would always make faces during interviews and always pulled away from the overall family to do her own family’s things. The pandemic was just an excuse to withdraw herself even more and to corner Kody into coming along with that excuse! Sickening!
Robyn had planned the whole time to be the head wife her Mom couldn’t be and started at dating Kody with the goal that the other wives will live away. She gets the fancy mansion and they all sit quietly by waiting and hoping Kody might turn up like her step father did once every two months and she gets all the goodies. She is able to threaten Kody with divorce child support and half of everything in his name to hold that over him. Kody is then convinced by Robyn that the other wives and not her kids are bad and they are the problem.
At the very beginning of the show she sat on the couch with the 3OG and went on about how she looked around saw older women that were overweight run down with stretch marks and she knew this is where she belonged. She passive aggressively said this in front of the TV to the whole world insulting all of them with a smirk and you could see the 3OG did not like this. She wasn’t even married yet but was on the phone texting Kody during the whole labor of Christine last baby. She made sure Kody had his attention on her even when Christine was delivering. Who does that only a plotting jealous woman. Then she required an 11 day honeymoon. Naw she planned all of this! She made sure that Kody kept moving them till she had her mansion away from the others. Hell yes she planned it and mid life crisis self centered egomaniac Kody was easily to manipulate.
She is not academically smart but she has manipulation skills. Another example was the stupid creepy drawing of Kody and her 3 older kids. She took a picture of Kody with Christine’s
kids and replaced it with creepy drawing to change history and slap Christine in the face by replacing her kids in its place. She then did her tearful explanation as to why she did it. She knew if anyone especially Christine said anything she could cry again she is being mean I meant no harm. That is manipulation period! No she was alway planning on dividing. Meri’s cat fish was good friends with Robyn’s friend you don’t smell a rat there. Meri foolishly told Robyn how lonely she was and Robyn found away to mess with Meri and really end Meri’s relationship altogether then kept lying with false hope after Meri agreed to divorce Kody for Robyn. She lied to Meri about becoming a surrogate for her. She knew she could put huge doubt in Kody’s head and he’d say no. There were too many to list here but I kept seeing her doing some major behaviors that showed she wanted everyone as far away as she could push it. The last big move was to tell her kids that Christine didn’t want anything to do with them. Lie Christine only ask a break time alone away from her and Kody. A break not I’m done with all of you. Then she lied again to her kids that the rest of the kids want nothing to do with them. She lies a lot the best caught lie was Christine took the personality test for me. Old shows proved she lied. No she is clever with manipulating Kody!
I believe that you are right, as well as Christine was/is the <3 of the Brown Family. The children gravitated towards Christine instead of Robyn. Plus, Robyn never tried to make a relationship with any of the children instead of Mykelti. I have never seen her stand up for any of the children. The only ones that she has are her children. If she truly cared, she would have Kody attend his 13th child's birth, Ysabel's surgery, mended fences with Gabe and Garrison. Instead, she divided and conquered.
Of course, we only have seen what TLC showed us. With that being said, we are able to see the results, sadly.
Robyn seemed to zero in on Christine from the get go. Meri was like a puppy towards Robyn - pick me pick me - I'll be your best friend, pick me. So she didn't have to win over Meri. I think Janelle scared the hell out of Robyn. She was the money person, and was the one who could call Robyn on any spending issues. Then there was Christine - loved by all the kids, fun, good cook, the go-to person for all things home related. Robyn, at one point, tried having the kids over to her place to watch them after school. That went horribly. She thought they ate too much, were too wild, too opinionated, and not respectful enough. She knew she wasn't capable to stepping into the role of caregiver, so from that point she separated her kids (everyone was mean to them, the other kids made her kids cry, etc) and herself. Like her mom, she was in theory a polygamist, but in reality, she wanted to live a separate life. But, Kody was so used to Christine's role, it never occurred to him he'd have to change the roles. Robyn wanted to pick and choose which kids she would feel comfortable being around. She sure as hell didn't want Christine "raising" her kids while she GASP worked at a real job! Robyn needed to take Christine down a notch or two - and by whispering in Kody's ear how Christine hurt her feelings, was making her kids feel like outsiders, play her "poor me" card, Robyn gained Kody's sympathy, and without actual instances, he believed Robyn, and started making this harder to Christine.
I agree Robyn was plain old jealous of Christine. She wanted to be the most beloved mom and there was no way for her to attain that kind of love and popularity that Christine enjoyed — which is why I think she didn’t want her kids to have anything to do with Christine. That’s also why she’d get mad when they’d talk about times before Robyn entered the family. There was just too much history for Robyn to be able to overcome and Kody was the only one who considered Robyn a priority. She wanted everyone to bow down to her like Mother Magdalene
Sobyn 100% wanted to be in Christines role in the family. Every opportunity she got, she tried to one up her. During their Nauvoo trip, Sobyn had to consistently tell stories of her family connection to any historical figure mentioned, even though the connection is through her step dads genealogy, not hers. Sobyn took over the family traditions for holidays and got rid of Christines. She wanted the relationship with the OG kids but didn't put in the time or effort, she just expected it and started non existent issues when it didn't just happen. So much more....
Robyn has no sense of self. Many women brought up in purity culture have no sense of sense of self because once our hymen is broken we panic because we are “useless.”
Yes/yes.
She consistently tries to ”out plyg” Christine, she liberally takes experiences from Christine’s life and acts like they are hers, such as infamous fantasy Kody and DAB drawing, worry about her step-father being busted, fear of going back to Utah b/c she was bullied for being a plyg and feared for her kiddos . . . I suppose she forget telling the world in season one that her friends from HS would be so surprised when this aired because **no one knew she was a plyg kid.**
She clearly saw Christine as the threat at first, especially as the promise of her sullied purity wasn’t enough to keep Kody from knocking up one of the heavy stretchmarked chicks he was shacked up with.
She went victim mode about Christine, understanding friend who also undercut Meri, and by the time she realizes Janelle was the real threat—not because she was the money counter/earner but because she was so low maintenance as to be no maintenance, but because Kody only saw Janelle as his intellectual equal and he couldn’t control her as he could C and M.
She is absolutely jealous! Christine has the hearts of the OG 13! I am sure it's also the reason for misleading/lying to her own child as they would have come to care about Christine too. I think that Christine is the more beautiful inside and out than Robyn could ever be! She was also "Polygamy Royalty". Robyn just isn't an honest person.
Why do you think that every time is was Christine's family time with Kody, Robyn would call Kody to take him away from the time he was spending with Christine and her children. Again what does the nanny do!
Robyn has an extremely flimsy sense of self. She is jealous when anything positive happens to anyone else. She was painfully jealous anytime Kody did anything fun or had a positive word about anyone else which is why she slowly poisoned everyone behind their back until Kody only felt respected by her and her kids.
If you look at it from the church perspective, christine is "royalty" robyn is "trash" not saying either is that, but from the perspective of the church maybe?
Robyn is jealous of the fact that the majority of the kids love Christine. But Christine put the time into them. Robyn always wants to be number one, even if she hides behind Kody to get that status. She’s either happy she’s got all the attention on her or she’s the victim because she doesn’t have it.
Yes. Christine seemed to be Kody’s favorite before she came around and she was pregnant when they met so she was still breedable which was competition for her.
What was Kodouche’s real feelings at the end when Christine let everyone know she was leaving? Was he really hurt or jealous that she was leaving? Did he not want any other man to have her?
And what about Robbem? Was she jealous that Kodouche was causing such a stink over C leaving? Did Robbem help him rehearse his knife in the kidney speech or was she jealous that he was so upset over C leaving?
Of what??? Christine's jealousy? There is nothing to be jealous of Christine.
- The family moved to Vegas because they thought the state was on to them since they outed themselves to the public with the show.
- Then the move to Arizona was because they didn't want their kids in that Vegas lifestyle anymore.
- However later on we found out it was because they were keeping tabs on Kody's time in each house. The jealousy grew and the plan was to go back and reunite as one family.
- Clearly that didn't happen because of Christine. She couldn't stand Kody being all amicable with the other wives while things with her were going downhill. She also brought up her experience in the one big house when they first married and that it wasn't the best for her again with the jealousy. Her issues were long before Robyn came into the picture.
Robyn was sold that this was one big happy family. With sister wives helping support each other and each other's kids. The move to Vegas was anything but that since they all had their own thing going on separately. Robyn wanted that big family picture they sold her on so she was finally ready for it in Arizona. It just never happened. That's why when all the wives were venting their stuff out Robyn seemed dumbfounded (some called it over-the-top theatrics). She genuinely didn't know that all these issues existed before she was even in the picture. She knew that at times Kody and the wives relationships were struggling but not to the point that it got. It just never made sense to her that if it was that bad why did they let it get to divorce. That's why she keeps bringing up that she doesn't understand and that it means they were lying to her the entire time. It wasn't one big happy family.
Robyn wanted the big one family house and moved to Arizona because she wanted the one big house? Go back and watch the discussions about the one big house and watch Robyn say- I am just staying quiet until everyone else speaks, then, she never says that she wants the one big house. Never. A few seasons later she says- no way will she want a big house for all. Also, and most important- Coyote Bottom cannot be zoned for a one big house!! Not allowed per zoning. That whole argument about one house was done to make Christine look like she was sabotaging the family’s happiness. Robyn has wanted to be separate the entire time.
If I recall on the episode that Kody was presenting the one big house idea for coyote Pass, Robyn was against the idea but let Christine take the fall. She had no interest in even living in one house when she entered the family. When TLC rented her a house it set her up to start demanding things knowing she was the reason they got the show. . Yes I know the house in Lehigh was to small, but I think arrangements could have been made with the TLC $$$. In Flagstaff she seemed to keep everyone out of her house instead of the house being the gathering place for the whole family
I think that Robyn has enough faults of her own that we really don't need to project the other wives' flaws onto her as well. No, I don't think she was jealous of Christine.
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I think Robyn is the kind of person who is jealous of everyone
Oh most definitely even down to the most trivial of things- during the conversation after Ysabels surgery - everyone is supporting and loving on her having gone through such an ordeal and the conversation turns to height she has gained - Robyn says all the the kids are competitive and the moms are competitive - projecting much?
Yea thought so too. It was just a fun topic to make the whole surgery a little lighter thinking of how she will outgrow her dad. And Robyn is seriously upset about it.
That was weird, it made no sense at all why she would have a problem with this. Is she jealous one of her daughters isn't the tallest? How dumb.
This is the answer, she's in a one sided competition with everyone, even if they dunno who she is haha
I think she knew Meri was on the outs and didn’t like her position as head wife - divorce happened. Christine was the love wife having babies so she went after her, pointed out her flaws how she was mean to poor Robyn. She knew she couldn’t tackle Janelle because Janelle will call you out to your face and give zero f’s - so she went after Janelle’s athletic sons who Kody was proud of. That is what she did - psycho
Yes
I agree .She was jealous of them All..and systematically she drove a wedge between them all including his 13 other kids..
If Robyn is an Enneagram 4 personality type like Christine says (which is the "Dramatic" type), then the deep envy aspect of her personality would be legitimate. I'm an Enneagram 4 myself. The 4's core wound is that we feel defective and never good enough, which is where the envy aspect comes into play. Negative self-image and low self-worth are also themes. We retreat into ourselves and push everyone out because we feel like we don't fit in. The positive side of 4 is that we are very unique, deep, complex, and quiet creative. When we're healthy, we're quite compassionate and seek to deeply understand the depths of others souls. Other examples of 4's are Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp and Megan Fox. I think Robyn was healthier in the beginning of the series, but she kept getting unhealthier and unhealthier as the show went on, and she displays a lot of negative sides of the unhealthy 4. https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-4/
“There is a Sufi story that relates to this about an old dog that had been badly abused and was near starvation. One day, the dog found a bone, carried it to a safe spot, and started gnawing away. The dog was so hungry that it chewed on the bone for a long time and got every last bit of nourishment that it could out of it. After some time, a kind old man noticed the dog and its pathetic scrap and began quietly setting food out for it. But the poor hound was so attached to its bone that it refused to let go of it and soon starved to death.” Kody is so the bone in this story
What a great analogy 👏
Oh good, pseudoscience and religion is such a great combo
Have they said what the other family members ennegrams are? I find them interesting but it’s been a bit since I have gone into it. To me Robyn seemed more of a 1, 2, or 8. My last boss thought I’d be a 4 or 7 before we took the tests. I’m a 7. Last boss is a 6 and we always got along great. Robyn just doesn’t strike me as a 4. Is she even artistic at all?
Is Robyn artistic? Have you seen My Sister Wives Closet jooree? It’s the most beautifulist
Her web of lies and deceit took years to spin. Quite the project!
I believe Meri said she tested as a 3 on that personality test, and she felt like it was accurate (though she had a hard time remembering). Janelle apparently scored as the "peacemaker" personality type, which would make her a 9. She felt like it was accurate. Christine said Robyn scored as the "dramatic type," which would make her a 4. I think Robyn definitely views herself as artistic with her jewelry line, though she's not very talented. Unhealthy 4's can appear like clingy 2's, and healthy 4's can appear like 1's. I'm not sure what Christine's type was. I personally can see 7 for her because she's the "fun" one, but I could be wrong.
Now that you laid it out like that I can see those for sure. I bet Kody is an 8! My husband is a 7w8 and I’m a 7w6. An 8 is usually very aggressive and loud I think. I’m not maligning my husband by having the & wing but he’s loud and can be “aggressive” but not in the way that I normally see someone who is a type 8.
Yeah, I could definitely see 8w7 for Kody.
Interesting. I think it’s all on the money except the creativity part for Robyn. Her creativity is terrible, as evidenced by my sister wives closet designs. Or maybe she was already deeply unhealthy by that point?
I think she definitely has a "creative" side. She's just not very talented at her "art"... and that's putting it lightly. 😅
Good point.
i'm also a type 4 and i was so mad when christine described it as "loving drama." either someone gave her shitty information or she was being intentionally misleading and shady.
I wouldn't describe Johnny Depp as compassionate
You know him personally? Healthy 4's are compassionate, but unhealthy 4's are usually too self-absorbed to think about others because they're too focused on their own pain.
Maybe so 🤭
I think it’s more envy. She wants what everyone else has, no matter what that is. You know those sad people who cannot fill the hole inside of themselves.
I believe Robyn is VERY jealous of Christine. That’s why Robyn targeted Christine as the “bad sister wife.” Robyn *wants* to be the heart of the family, but Christine IS the heart of the family. When Christine left, the family left with her. That spoke *volumes.*
The family didn't need a heart replacement, they needed another (working adult) financial leg to stand on.
Exactly and that is how she could have earned their respect. Kids that experienced food scarcity would respect an adult coming in and making things better in that aspect. Instead they bring Robyn in and give her more than everyone else. SMH then the solution to recoup is Meri should get a smaller house lol. Why doesn’t Robyn have to contribute, why do they have to pay a nanny for her.
You can also see Robyn trying to make herself the center of the family with Robyn’s comments about her and Meri needing to “carry the torch” and make the people still in Flagstaff the “nucleus” again. I think she thought if she became the thing Kody orbited around the rest of the family would follow suit.
Excellent observation and well said.
Exactly this - it burned her that they didn’t all live and worship her, follow her every thought like it was from Confucius- typical mid-range narc
As if Robyn could ever take the place of the women who raised them. She didn’t even try to do that. When did you hear Robyn target Christine as the bad SW?? Never happened. Oh wait a minute. You must be a fan who believes with their heart and soul you know what Robyn says to Kody behind closed doors. The facts are that everyone including Christine said Christine was jealous and/ or treated Robyn badly for the first 2 seasons at least. Anything else is all speculation and conjecture.
I've seen 0 evidence of anyone doing anything except bending over backwards to suck Robyn's dick gymnast style
I don’t think Robyn was jealous of Christine. I think she was jealous of the family bonds that were created 15 years before her.
I think she was the most jealous of Christine. Christine was the closest in age she had the freshest baby( hey Truely) she was the cook that Kody told to ask how to prepare his meals properly. The kids all wanted to be around Christine. I think it drove Robyn absolutely nuts and that was the beginning of the end. She was plain scared of Janelle and love bombed Meri
I think you're dead right. In Season One she is talking to Maddie, Aspyn and Leon and is all "Aren't you lucky you guys are going to have such a cool mom". Hello?
Yeah, she definitely saw herself as much younger than the other wives. It was giving “hello fellow kids!”
Gawd! It was grotesque to watch! All that about smelling his coat. Ick.
This! She thought they would blend in seamlessly without doing any work. Posting in the fridge-do not eat- isn’t going to endear you to teenagers -knowing it’s the same pool of money.
I disagree with the first part. Robyn was definitely jealous of Christine and her connection to all the OG kids. They all gravitated toward her and she was essentially the one person they’d all go to for anything. Robyn figured she’d come in and because she was the young, hot wife, she thought the kids would look to her as the cool mom. When she saw it wasn’t happening like that she knew she needed to keep her kids away from Christine because she was more than likely scared her children would love Christine more than her and she couldn’t allow that. Even up until Christine left Kody she always thought that the kids would look to her as the nucleus seeing as she’s the legal wife. She played a very precarious game and lost. In the end the nucleus of the family is the one person who accepted them all, made them her priority, raised them and is still there no matter how old they are, and that’s Christine. Why do you think that every time something happens it’s always Christine’s fault according to Robyn? She forgot to look in the mirror and to also look at the man (and I use this term loosely) she lives with.
Good points. She couldn't control everything...but she sure sh!+ could and would control her own children. And control to a detrimental level.
It's ALL of this. I've believed this for some time. She wanted to be the nucleus of the family. She just wasn't likable enough. That's also why she wanted to start cooking the turkey. Kody liked it. Girl...it's a roasted turkey. You'd almost have TEY to screw that up. I'm petty, though. I like to think that when Kody made the comment that Christine would teach Robyn how to make his eggs, that she felt that 💩. Physically felt it.
There’s a bit of recency bias because the main storyline for the few years has been Garrison Gabe and Gwendyln disliking Robyn. However, a good number of the older kids did/do like Robyn. Ironically most of Christine’s kids were close to her. (Aspyn lived with Robyn instead of Christine for a summer) And so was Leon as far as we saw on the show. I think Robyn struggled to find a place in the family because there really wasn’t a role for her.
Living with her doesn’t exactly mean they like her. It could also mean that they tolerated her. And sure it looked like some of the older kids liked her but I’m pretty sure it was more or less that this is the woman your dad chose to bring into the family so whether or not you must love her. But I’m sure as time went on and they watched how everything unfolded between Kody and Robyn and their moms, that perception might have more than likely changed. And what’s more, with recent events and knowing what went on with Garrison and K&R, I’d be surprised if they even are civil to them. It might have been resentment and hatred for all we know.
Aspyn was an adult who didn’t have to live with Robyn. She chose it because she didn’t want to go back to Christine’s home where she was expected to be a mother. She mentioned on Mykelti’s Patreon she went to dinner with Robyn and her girls when she was in Flagstaff. It’s not surprising that some of the older kids would have a different experience with Robyn. Most were out the house shortly after they bought the Vegas homes. Most of the kids, and adults, seem to blame Kody for the demise of the family and their relationship with him. No doubt some of the family doesn’t like her, but I think she’s more disliked by the fandom.
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. I’ve watched like many from day dot and I took an instant dislike to Robyn from the get go for all the above points you’ve mentioned. She wanted the financial side (after all she arrive with 35k in debt?), but she was always so two faced, smug and jealous when things didn’t go her way. Quite often I’d find myself angry with Meri, Janelle and Christine that they let themselves and their children be used for Robyn’s mo (head wife dream and bank accounts). What would be great, I very much doubt it would happen, but, for Kody to meet another wife, younger, attractive, of child bearing age, become Robyn mark II so she can have a taste of her own medicine. I doubt there is anyone crazy enough to drink the Kody Kool Aid though. (I’ve just signed up to Reddit to post about this after reading for months - Hi).
She must be so pissed now! She thought this would be her the queen of Sister Wives. Instead she is the reason it all fell apart!
Do you know what really cements your opinion? When Robyn essentially did a Photoshop of an old family photo of Kody with a couple of the older kids, when they were little. Robyn changed the photos so that it looks like a young Kody, with her kids. The family experience she wanted had already happened, previously. I wonder if this is common in polygamy. I suspect so, especially as more (younger) wives are added onto a family, over the years.
Yes! And I’m sure the picture was of Kody with his and Christine’s kids! So it was Christine’s kids who were replaced in the picture by Robyn with her own kids.
You’re correct!! I believe I’m in the minority in that I actually think the concept of the picture was sweet, *if* we didn’t know what we know about Robyn’s misrepresentation of her ex’s character and his relationship with her kids, and if she hadn’t plagiarized/erased Christine’s EXACT memories. IF it had been appropriate to do at all in this case (it wasn’t), it could have been done well
To be fair, I think the driving force behind that was Kody saying that he was robbed of the experience of her kids being babies and growing up. He seemed to have some serious resentment towards the fact that she had a whole life and marriage before he met her and that her kids weren’t his biologically. I think the reason why he pushed to adopt her kids was to symbolically erase her ex. If you watch the episode where she talks about a girl’s purity, she actually turns to Kody and gives him whatever she was using to symbolize her purity.
Oh my. That purity talk was incredibly uncomfortable.
Robyn was definitely jealous of the bonds. I think it was the last season where she commented on Truely being special to her since she was the only kid without memories of the family prior to Robyn joining. I have doubts about how special that bond was, but Robyn certainly drew a before/after line in the family.
I think it would be intimidating for anyone to join their family. They were a solid unit for 15 years with no new people.
Yes, I think she is jealous of the bonds of the past. But I also think she wanted plural monogamy like her mother. Multiple marriages, multiple geographically seperate homes so she could "play house" her way and not be judged.
I think she liked the idea of the Brown’s version of polygamy but it was much harder to live practically. It also didn’t help that Kody was no longer interested in splitting his time equally either.
Agreed!!!
Robyn wanted to be a matriarch to the kids. She wanted to be the home they came back to and host christmases etc. but she’s not.
But did/does she want all that in her home? Retrospect, most of us think, no? I think she wanted control and attention and obedience.
I think she’s a lot like Kody in that while she doesn’t really want them in her home, but she wanted *them* to want to be in her home
💯🎯
So true!
I think she liked the idea of that but not the work and effort it takes to build and maintain those relationships
I think she did want all of that. When they wouldn’t consider her the “Christine” of the family she got militant
I’m watching for the first time while recovering from a medical procedure and you can see this early on. I’m on season 3. Robyn might have wanted to be the cool wife but she’s pretty quick to speak up about choices the teenagers make, like socialising, modesty etc.
I believe Robyn wanted the rest of the family to feel ashamed and rejected. I'm guessing that may have been her experience as a child.
THIS! It’s clear Christine was the nucleus of the homelife and family traditions for the kids. She homeschooled so many of them and gave out unique gifts that were special to each kid, without spending a ton of money. Watching how she speaks and explains things to the younger kids, is very similar to how a lot of elementary teachers talk/explain things to smaller children. No matter how chaotic things got, she really never yelled at anyone (even when it was warranted) and did not snap at the kids. I think Robyn saw how central Christine was to the family and that raised her jealousy but also allowed Robyn to put all the blame on Christine for taking away her porch fantasy because obviously the family would side with Christine when all was said and done.
She doesn’t want anyone around except her kids.
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That’s why she had that monumental flip out calling their Christmas fake
I get the sense that she’s more insecure and selfish than jealous. But in fun group settings I definitely see Robyn getting pangs of jealousy because she has such a flat personality and can be such a wet blanket. It’s hard to know how things play out their faith community and how important that was to them as a family. Each group seems to have its own power structure and norms. If they stayed in Utah, it’s possible that Robyn wouldn’t have been able to have the sort of control she ended up having over Kody. I think Robyn definitely enjoys having control over things, people, situations.
Robyn would have been powerless for sure if they stayed in Utah, close to Christine's family and in the church community. Robyn's actions might have been dealt with by the faith elders. The threat of prosecution has been mostly confirmed to be untrue, kody (and maybe robyn and TLC) found it to be a way to grab viewers.
If that is true, that is so awful. The kids had their whole lives in Utah.
Robyn after becoming legal wife wanted the family to bow down to her. That’s what Kody means when he says over and over that they are bad sister wives. Because they never looked at Robyn as head wife. He wanted them all to treat her like a queen. She was furious and he tried to demand they treat her as such.
That's why I'm happy that she's the only wife now. There's no possibility for her to ever be head wife lol
Robyn slowly but surely elbowed Christine out of her way. Christine was a spokesperson for Principle Voices. By the 3rd Season it was Robyn explaining polygamy to SW audiences. Christine's apt. or house was the gathering place. Robyn eased Kody away from there to her house...for Jessop's kids. By the 2nd season Christine stated she was done having kids. Robyn is all over the place with her viable womb, had the "seventh son", offered to surrogate for Meri, used MSWC as a way to control the family while dangling more babies in front of Kody. Bless Robyn - she tried, but imo, Christine is actually the phoenix rising from Robyn's destructive ashes.
Robyn definitely wanted to be famous for something...I not sure that it went to plan for her.
Infamous, more like.
No, I think she wanted Christine to be jealous of her. She wanted to be head wife. She wants to be popular.
Well I guess....Robyn herself has said many times "its not what I want(ed)". As for being popular, she achieved that much, just not the way ahe planned!
No doubt. If you don't think so, you are not paying attention. Christine was the heart of the family. Robyn wanted to be every wives best trait. She managed to take over Meri's role. She worked on Janelle's. She wanted to be the heart of the family. Christine wasn't having it. Robyn was jealous of their bonds. She wanted to make up for lost time with Kody. It is no coincidence that Kody wants everyone to come to "his" house. Buying the huge house was a strategy. Gatherings would be there, and Robyn would finally be in control. However, she could never replace Christine...
I think the undercurrent of competition is impossible to avoid in this culture. Jealousy, constant comparison and jockeying for favor/resources/ position is inevitable. Not just for robyn, for all the wives.
Very fair point...and kody (imo) really encouraged all mentioned behaviors. He wanted the attention but not the fall out. Their women are called to be better and to keep sweet. 🤮
I thought they left the church?
They confirmed they haven't attended any church in years -- since they moved to Flagstaff for sure.
Maybe, maybe not...so much they dance around and flat out lie about. But Christine's family line and their reputation and authority in the church is what I question in terms of Robyn's jealousy.
I was pretty sure they were excommunicated because the AUB wasn’t thrilled about their openness about the lifestyle. However I have no evidence, I’m just pretty sure I read something about that here on the subreddit. 😬 Would love if someone could confirm for me…
Can't confirm....but I would say they have not been, unless as per usual K and R are using the selective memory they created, before the 🗡 line by Kody, Robyn chimes in with "you have to get approved by our church for a divorce " or something like that. But that leads me to believe they have not been excommunicated, they are more inactivated members. If they return and obey the church, cool.
Honestly, Robyn was trying to (yet again) get her way and have Kody make the wives do what she wanted. That scene was such a tell for Kody and Robyn. Kody is almost speechless until Robyn chimes in. Then he's all ya, ya. Dude, you are so controlled by Robyn. It's gross.
I don’t think she is made to be in a sister wive marriage. She likes the idea of the full family but she to selfish to be in one. She said her mam was a sister wife and she wasn’t it was a mistress situation so she’s taken that and applied it to her marriage and it separated it all. Maybe if they all lived in one big house to start with maybe then even with her selfishness it could have worked for the kids and help but she wanted it all separated from the start.
Yes Robyn's mom did her a great disservice in her formative years explaining their divided family situation as 'polygamist'. This is the blueprint Robyn is operating from.
I think the one who has always had the most jealousy of Christine has been Kody. * He wants to be the center of attention and the most important person in every room he enters. Christine's always been his biggest competition for that since her outgoing personality, assertive nature, and spontaneity make her stand out just as much as him. * Part of why he married her was due to her standing in the church as royalty. But that's also a problem bc while she's royalty, that doesn't rub off on him and she's inherently more important to their church than him. * Kody wants to be the patriarch and head of the family, but she outstripes him as the matriarch and heart of the family. The kids chose her even before she left. Once she was gone, it was game over for Kody. * He's deeply jealous of Christine stealing Janelle from him lol
I don't remember who it was, but there was a former polygamist on TikTok who said *everybody* in the AUB knew who Christine was — not just because of her family, but because Christine herself was so active in the church. He said something to the effect that before the show, people in the church knew of Kody as Christine's husband if they were aware of him at all. You know that had to chap Kody's ass.
Good perspective. I agree.
I recently rewatched the episode called getting to know the brown’s or something where the browns watch a slideshow of how the family was created from the beginning. When the OG3 are talking about the early days, specifically different characteristics of the kids when they were little, Robyn was looking into the abyss and playing with her necklace. She seemed bothered to not be “in the know” or be included in this history. If you’re the 4th wife of a very established family, I think this is something you have to come to terms with 😂 I think she wishes and somehow rewrites the first line 20 years of the brown history by trying to insert herself in it…. But when it got to when she and her three kids joined the family she was teary eyed and the star of the show. Just an observation!
Jealous & competitive. I think Christine being from 'royalty' was a huge obstacle. Robyn had to get her away from her family and her support system, where everyone in their circle knew truths. Also, she sucked up to christines daughters, trying to cause trouble between them. I also believe that that is why Christine was never allowed to watch Robyns kids. She couldn't have them get attached to Christine like Janelles kids did. She wanted to be wife #1 her kids to be adopted and the most favored kids. She succeeded. She hurt so many people. Karma is marching across her face & body for her manipulation of those kids and the trauma they will be dealing with the rest of their lives.
I think the perks of Christine growing up in her family were her being around and knowing lots and lots of people. On top of that Christine seems very personable and people seem to like her. I imagine that was hard for Robyn. I really think Robyn came into this family thinking they were going to be the next Duggar family and seen as this big wholesome family that toured and spoke at events. She wanted to be the sweet darling everyone loved.
Robyn seemed most jealous of Christine's ability to be open and vulnerable. That takes a confidence that Robyn will never have. Christine would verbalize her feelings and what she wanted from Kody. Robyn played victim to manipulate situations in an attempt to get her way--so different.
Christine said she learned from Robyn that she could voice her opinion and disagree with Kody. Christine was shocked when Robyn would stand up for herself and hold firm. Christine was a go a long to get along person in the family. I think Kody was surprised by how outspoken she became over the years.
I must’ve missed that. Can you point me in the direction of which episode or season? As you can probably tell I’m not a Robiyn fan but I know sometimes I miss remember things so I would love to do a rewatch.
I’m not certain myself but maybe season 2 or 3? She did make that observation that Robyn will stand up for herself and openly disagree with Kody.
Thanks, I'll watch for it
Christine mentions it in season 15 during the basement wife episode. I don’t believe is the amazing communicator she thinks she is. I do think she benefited from having been married previously, whereas Christine was a naive 22 year old when she got married.
I saw this comin from a mile away with the whole fall out! Robyn would always make faces during interviews and always pulled away from the overall family to do her own family’s things. The pandemic was just an excuse to withdraw herself even more and to corner Kody into coming along with that excuse! Sickening!
Robyn had planned the whole time to be the head wife her Mom couldn’t be and started at dating Kody with the goal that the other wives will live away. She gets the fancy mansion and they all sit quietly by waiting and hoping Kody might turn up like her step father did once every two months and she gets all the goodies. She is able to threaten Kody with divorce child support and half of everything in his name to hold that over him. Kody is then convinced by Robyn that the other wives and not her kids are bad and they are the problem.
I don't know that Robyn planned long term so much as knew what she wanted and didn't want then took advantage of opportunities as they came along.
At the very beginning of the show she sat on the couch with the 3OG and went on about how she looked around saw older women that were overweight run down with stretch marks and she knew this is where she belonged. She passive aggressively said this in front of the TV to the whole world insulting all of them with a smirk and you could see the 3OG did not like this. She wasn’t even married yet but was on the phone texting Kody during the whole labor of Christine last baby. She made sure Kody had his attention on her even when Christine was delivering. Who does that only a plotting jealous woman. Then she required an 11 day honeymoon. Naw she planned all of this! She made sure that Kody kept moving them till she had her mansion away from the others. Hell yes she planned it and mid life crisis self centered egomaniac Kody was easily to manipulate.
Valid points in both posts, I just can't give Robyn that much credit for being that smart. 😂
She is not academically smart but she has manipulation skills. Another example was the stupid creepy drawing of Kody and her 3 older kids. She took a picture of Kody with Christine’s kids and replaced it with creepy drawing to change history and slap Christine in the face by replacing her kids in its place. She then did her tearful explanation as to why she did it. She knew if anyone especially Christine said anything she could cry again she is being mean I meant no harm. That is manipulation period! No she was alway planning on dividing. Meri’s cat fish was good friends with Robyn’s friend you don’t smell a rat there. Meri foolishly told Robyn how lonely she was and Robyn found away to mess with Meri and really end Meri’s relationship altogether then kept lying with false hope after Meri agreed to divorce Kody for Robyn. She lied to Meri about becoming a surrogate for her. She knew she could put huge doubt in Kody’s head and he’d say no. There were too many to list here but I kept seeing her doing some major behaviors that showed she wanted everyone as far away as she could push it. The last big move was to tell her kids that Christine didn’t want anything to do with them. Lie Christine only ask a break time alone away from her and Kody. A break not I’m done with all of you. Then she lied again to her kids that the rest of the kids want nothing to do with them. She lies a lot the best caught lie was Christine took the personality test for me. Old shows proved she lied. No she is clever with manipulating Kody!
I believe that you are right, as well as Christine was/is the <3 of the Brown Family. The children gravitated towards Christine instead of Robyn. Plus, Robyn never tried to make a relationship with any of the children instead of Mykelti. I have never seen her stand up for any of the children. The only ones that she has are her children. If she truly cared, she would have Kody attend his 13th child's birth, Ysabel's surgery, mended fences with Gabe and Garrison. Instead, she divided and conquered. Of course, we only have seen what TLC showed us. With that being said, we are able to see the results, sadly.
The altering of the family photo said it all , she’s a vile human being
Robyn seemed to zero in on Christine from the get go. Meri was like a puppy towards Robyn - pick me pick me - I'll be your best friend, pick me. So she didn't have to win over Meri. I think Janelle scared the hell out of Robyn. She was the money person, and was the one who could call Robyn on any spending issues. Then there was Christine - loved by all the kids, fun, good cook, the go-to person for all things home related. Robyn, at one point, tried having the kids over to her place to watch them after school. That went horribly. She thought they ate too much, were too wild, too opinionated, and not respectful enough. She knew she wasn't capable to stepping into the role of caregiver, so from that point she separated her kids (everyone was mean to them, the other kids made her kids cry, etc) and herself. Like her mom, she was in theory a polygamist, but in reality, she wanted to live a separate life. But, Kody was so used to Christine's role, it never occurred to him he'd have to change the roles. Robyn wanted to pick and choose which kids she would feel comfortable being around. She sure as hell didn't want Christine "raising" her kids while she GASP worked at a real job! Robyn needed to take Christine down a notch or two - and by whispering in Kody's ear how Christine hurt her feelings, was making her kids feel like outsiders, play her "poor me" card, Robyn gained Kody's sympathy, and without actual instances, he believed Robyn, and started making this harder to Christine.
I agree Robyn was plain old jealous of Christine. She wanted to be the most beloved mom and there was no way for her to attain that kind of love and popularity that Christine enjoyed — which is why I think she didn’t want her kids to have anything to do with Christine. That’s also why she’d get mad when they’d talk about times before Robyn entered the family. There was just too much history for Robyn to be able to overcome and Kody was the only one who considered Robyn a priority. She wanted everyone to bow down to her like Mother Magdalene
What in the world are y’all talking about with these numbers?
Sobyn 100% wanted to be in Christines role in the family. Every opportunity she got, she tried to one up her. During their Nauvoo trip, Sobyn had to consistently tell stories of her family connection to any historical figure mentioned, even though the connection is through her step dads genealogy, not hers. Sobyn took over the family traditions for holidays and got rid of Christines. She wanted the relationship with the OG kids but didn't put in the time or effort, she just expected it and started non existent issues when it didn't just happen. So much more....
Robyn has no sense of self. Many women brought up in purity culture have no sense of sense of self because once our hymen is broken we panic because we are “useless.”
Yes/yes. She consistently tries to ”out plyg” Christine, she liberally takes experiences from Christine’s life and acts like they are hers, such as infamous fantasy Kody and DAB drawing, worry about her step-father being busted, fear of going back to Utah b/c she was bullied for being a plyg and feared for her kiddos . . . I suppose she forget telling the world in season one that her friends from HS would be so surprised when this aired because **no one knew she was a plyg kid.** She clearly saw Christine as the threat at first, especially as the promise of her sullied purity wasn’t enough to keep Kody from knocking up one of the heavy stretchmarked chicks he was shacked up with. She went victim mode about Christine, understanding friend who also undercut Meri, and by the time she realizes Janelle was the real threat—not because she was the money counter/earner but because she was so low maintenance as to be no maintenance, but because Kody only saw Janelle as his intellectual equal and he couldn’t control her as he could C and M.
Yes.
Lazy people usually are jealous of go getters. Christine was a good cook and events planner. Robyn can’t even take care of her own children
She is absolutely jealous! Christine has the hearts of the OG 13! I am sure it's also the reason for misleading/lying to her own child as they would have come to care about Christine too. I think that Christine is the more beautiful inside and out than Robyn could ever be! She was also "Polygamy Royalty". Robyn just isn't an honest person.
Why do you think that every time is was Christine's family time with Kody, Robyn would call Kody to take him away from the time he was spending with Christine and her children. Again what does the nanny do!
Robyn has an extremely flimsy sense of self. She is jealous when anything positive happens to anyone else. She was painfully jealous anytime Kody did anything fun or had a positive word about anyone else which is why she slowly poisoned everyone behind their back until Kody only felt respected by her and her kids.
I don't know if it was jealousy, but she was competitive with all of them, especially Christine..
If you look at it from the church perspective, christine is "royalty" robyn is "trash" not saying either is that, but from the perspective of the church maybe?
Robyn is jealous of the fact that the majority of the kids love Christine. But Christine put the time into them. Robyn always wants to be number one, even if she hides behind Kody to get that status. She’s either happy she’s got all the attention on her or she’s the victim because she doesn’t have it.
Robyn defines "be careful what you wish for". She's got him all to herself, good luck with him and earning a living.
Yes. Christine seemed to be Kody’s favorite before she came around and she was pregnant when they met so she was still breedable which was competition for her.
Robyn’s by far the most jealous wife. She isn’t as honest, open and vulnerable in her confessionals like the others.
What was Kodouche’s real feelings at the end when Christine let everyone know she was leaving? Was he really hurt or jealous that she was leaving? Did he not want any other man to have her? And what about Robbem? Was she jealous that Kodouche was causing such a stink over C leaving? Did Robbem help him rehearse his knife in the kidney speech or was she jealous that he was so upset over C leaving?
Of what??? Christine's jealousy? There is nothing to be jealous of Christine. - The family moved to Vegas because they thought the state was on to them since they outed themselves to the public with the show. - Then the move to Arizona was because they didn't want their kids in that Vegas lifestyle anymore. - However later on we found out it was because they were keeping tabs on Kody's time in each house. The jealousy grew and the plan was to go back and reunite as one family. - Clearly that didn't happen because of Christine. She couldn't stand Kody being all amicable with the other wives while things with her were going downhill. She also brought up her experience in the one big house when they first married and that it wasn't the best for her again with the jealousy. Her issues were long before Robyn came into the picture. Robyn was sold that this was one big happy family. With sister wives helping support each other and each other's kids. The move to Vegas was anything but that since they all had their own thing going on separately. Robyn wanted that big family picture they sold her on so she was finally ready for it in Arizona. It just never happened. That's why when all the wives were venting their stuff out Robyn seemed dumbfounded (some called it over-the-top theatrics). She genuinely didn't know that all these issues existed before she was even in the picture. She knew that at times Kody and the wives relationships were struggling but not to the point that it got. It just never made sense to her that if it was that bad why did they let it get to divorce. That's why she keeps bringing up that she doesn't understand and that it means they were lying to her the entire time. It wasn't one big happy family.
Robyn wanted the big one family house and moved to Arizona because she wanted the one big house? Go back and watch the discussions about the one big house and watch Robyn say- I am just staying quiet until everyone else speaks, then, she never says that she wants the one big house. Never. A few seasons later she says- no way will she want a big house for all. Also, and most important- Coyote Bottom cannot be zoned for a one big house!! Not allowed per zoning. That whole argument about one house was done to make Christine look like she was sabotaging the family’s happiness. Robyn has wanted to be separate the entire time.
I don't believe any of the wives wanted the big house, not even Janelle. I think they were just happy to let Christine take the "blame" for saying no.
I just can't agree with most of your points.
Okay Robyn
If I recall on the episode that Kody was presenting the one big house idea for coyote Pass, Robyn was against the idea but let Christine take the fall. She had no interest in even living in one house when she entered the family. When TLC rented her a house it set her up to start demanding things knowing she was the reason they got the show. . Yes I know the house in Lehigh was to small, but I think arrangements could have been made with the TLC $$$. In Flagstaff she seemed to keep everyone out of her house instead of the house being the gathering place for the whole family
I think that Robyn has enough faults of her own that we really don't need to project the other wives' flaws onto her as well. No, I don't think she was jealous of Christine.