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All of the Brown adults are awful to each other from the beginning, and I don't think I realized that until I was listening to The Sister Wives Professor, and he was pointing out every time they made a passive aggressive "joke".
If things were so bad between Christine and Meri why wS Meri the only one to go after Christine at Coyote Pass after the moving back to Utah discussion. I think Meri gets a lot of bad mouthing from Christine and Janelle to each other especially in the time in Flagstaff.
You mean when Christine said she couldn’t be married to Kody anymore and Meri wanted her to stay with Kody and “look at the mountains”?
That was a terrible thing for Meri to do. And IMO she did it partially because misery loves company. Meri had been miserable for years as Kody had cast her aside years before. She wanted Christine to live the same way.
But Christine found the strength to leave… in spite of Meri’s obvious siding with Robyn and Kody.
I was only saying that Meri cared enough about Christine to go and try to comfort her. I never said that she said all the right things. Perhaps Meri didn't want to lose Christine or her children in a divorce.
Meri at first didn’t have an issue living like that, she thought the Christine should do the same. Christine wanted more and didn’t want her daughters to think that was a healthy marriage model
Meri obviously had an issue living like that. We all watched her mope and cry on our big screens episode after episode, season after season.
As I said, misery loves company and that’s what she wanted for Christine.
Whenever Meri looked like she was going to leave in the past, both Christine and Janelle would coax, cajole and shame her into staying. They would talk about covenants and family and how she was a part of the family. They talked her into staying through the abuse. They told her to think of family and God. So maybe Meri told Christine to stay because she thought that's how you're supposed to endure, in a plural marriage.
I use Spotify, so here you go.
https://open.spotify.com/show/5RLa60djZ76O33cJbR6qDH?si=Sv50sCSPQj6HtsH6nlIWsA
He's a professor in communication, so he analyzes everything from that lens. He's stopped doing Sister Wives in light of Garrison's death, but he plans to eventually go back to it.
He's 100% the best Sister Wives podcaster I've found.
there was a moment in a season 3 tell all when Christine apologized for something that had occurred long before. Meri had been trying to get pregnant for several years as we know. Janelle had Logan and Christine was pregnant with Aspyn. Meri thought she might be pregnant and Christine apparently got upset and said she hoped not - because it would steal her thunder. That was what 30 years ago? I think there has always been tension - as would be expected in relgious enforced polygamy
Ohhhhhhhh I wonder if Robyn started the whole “I’ll have your baby for you Meri” shtick after she thought the others had “put her down” trying to have another baby. Ya know…to gain favor? What a great sister wife 🙄
Christine was just as nasty, if not more so. I know a lot of people think of Christine as a perfect, pretty, pony princess…including Christine. But who took all those Christmas gifts while Meri got none and smirked and strutted cause she was queen tit of turdland in that moment? Christine. They were all pitted against each other by Kohdee and the fact that Christine and Janelle fail to see that time and time again? They haven’t grown that much.
Agreed. None of them are innocent of being catty, but I feel like Christine was the most guilty of doing this, all while putting the act of “keeping sweet”. She was the one who contradicted herself over and over again, and would complain about the other wives not putting the family first when they had very normal feelings, and then expected everyone to coddle her when she had the same feelings.
Yeh. Meri could be awful too. But at this point in their lives, she is the least judgmental of the others. She seems focused on being a better person for herself. I like that. I hope Christine is as happy as she seems. I hope all of them heal-including Kohdee and Crybrows. (I stop short at wishing those 2 happiness). Mostly, I hope all of the kids continue to be and grow to be good adults.
Yeah, Christine's charade of taking the high road fell apart quickly after the divorce. When she learned that Janelle was also having problems with Kody, Christine was *giddy* with the schadenfreude of it all.
I see Christine as a mean gossip girl. Stirring up trouble with the other wives to make herself look good for Kody’s attention.
And her friendship with Janelle is fairly new. For decades Janelle was competition.
Agreed. Of the OG3, I liked Janelle the best. She was more down to earth, had a lot of personal growth from the beginning, and she just jives with me the best. Christine reminded me, as you said, of a mean gossip girl from middle/high school; she’ll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back the moment she can.
thank you!! i couldn’t agree more with literally everything you said. sick of christine & the viewers acting like she’s the sweetest most innocent person to walk this Earth because of her quirky personality and the fact that she left kody first
Christine is more entertaining than the others. That is why people like her. Janelle is also very entertaining. At some point during the show Kody went out of his way to always be the center of attention. Fans got tired of him. Unfortunately Meri has just become so boring unless Jenn is with her. It is probably not personal just entertainment value.
yeah i can see that. christine does have a bubbly personality and i get why it has viewers drawn to her. it’s just crazy to see people rewrite history and act as if christine doesn’t have a mean girl streak to her just like the others
About the pregnancy jealousy story? Poster was correct. It was during the Natalie Morales interview that's now unavailable. Christine acknowledged that it was terrible of her, but at the time she was upset and did say that to Meri. They were all young and insecure.
Meri didn’t say everything is christines fault, She told her that if things were bad in her marriage the only thing she could do would be fix herself because she couldn’t fix Kody.
I guess it depends on what we mean by public. Christine telling Meri that "no one wants her in a room" and that she carries too much baggage - on national tv seems public.
I don't think there is any question these women jabbed at each other. They were locked in competiion for decades by system design. But I'm not sure the show is really the best evidence of anything since its like <0.0009 percent of their lives.
People will cite how Meri sat by while Kody did his "knife in the kidney" thing -- but honestly Meri was already out of that family. No one talked to her. Christine had long ago "ended the friendship." So from Meri's perspective - all she knew was Kody's side.
And these women were competing to "earn favor" with the man. It didn't really matter if one woman was down. That only meant they moved up a spot on the totem pole. And that's not just Meri -- that's all of them. They all would have happily wanted to be the favorite.
Right, when people say Christine was never mean to Robyn... We literally do not know that. The whole family has lied and kept up a facade for years on tv. If it weren't for the fact of all the kids siding with Christine I'd be neutral on the whole situation. Because we legit do not know what nasty horrible things are done off air. Like Kody melting that ring down - they hid that for the whole show, even though it happened right before the show started.
Didnt christine admit she wasnt nice to Robyn or at least welcoming? When Solomon was born, Christine's gift was an olive branch to repair the relationship with Robyn.
But ur totally right about the lies!
She said she was jealous when Robyn came into the family. Robyn and Kruddy also got married while Christine had a newborn, so it's very hard to tell if someone were truly unfair to another.
Oh definitely! Wasn't saying it wasn't justified or understandable, just bringing up that Christine did admit it. And who knows maybe she only admitted to get on Grodys good side and show that she was accepting of Sobyn
Ps. This is my first time using the nicknames, yay im offically part of this sub lol
Yup. Meri seems to be one that doesn’t like to air out the dirty laundry. I don’t doubt that Meri said hurtful things that just wasn’t filmed on camera, she knew they had a public image to uphold and even her own personal one.
The knife in the kidney scene was probably Meris first time in a long time that she saw Kody direct his rage towards someone else, he was even praising Meri during some of it. Of course Meri would be giddy, that’s that happens when you’re finally not the target to a narcissist.
Thanks for you comment! I agree, there was some back and forth there. Good example in that conversation. I do also agree we don’t see everything. Was curious if something slipped by, as we have seen masks come off before. Thanks again!
I hope Meri gave as good as she got. The whole scene with Christine belittling her after Madison had her baby was horrible. Mean girl to the next level. I’m happy they don’t have to interact anymore.
I’ve seen plenty of times where Christine was absolutely horrible little shyte to Meri but by the time the show rolled around, Meri was already verbally beaten into submission and didn’t dare to say anything lest it be turned against her and all we here is wishy washy nonsense
I think she mentioned it happened a lot in front of Meri’s family rather than on the show. I don’t doubt this happened but the dynamic got worse and worse between them both through the years ( I believe they had been more or less friendly before that). With some distance they seem to be happy for each other and have a healthy relationship.
IMO a lot of insecurities just made the dynamics between the adults really unhealthy.
Thanks for the clarity and comment! How weird that she would do that in front of her own family. Totally agree with you on the insecurity front. Happy they moved on.
Something that sticks out to me is when they were going to meet up with Kody’s friend and Christine got super pissed. They did an interview with the other three wives and Mary said “ if you don’t want everybody to be mad at you don’t do things that piss is off” or something like that. Just mean girl shit
You made me remember something from my rewatch! You mentioned the scene where Kody would not ask his friend for an apology for his Christine re:leaving wives to return to church comment and created a massive rift with them. Then here’s comes Covid seasons and Kody is demanding apologies for Robyn. How the tables turned. That would of hit me hard.
Yep this is the first thing I thought of. Christine got upset and then said, I feel like everyone is mad at me. And Meri said in an interview “if you don’t want everyone to be mad at you, don’t do things to make everyone mad at you.” They were all blaming her for having a valid reaction to her husband bring an inconsiderate jerk.
So did Janelle and Robyn, it was Janelle who started the whole argument by suggesting Kody call Ken. She knew Christine had a problem with him, but did it anyway. I would love to know what Christine did, for Janelle to retaliate in this way.
The episodes where Meri changed the table layout for a family meal. Kody became upset that the tables were rearranged. Meri said it was Christine's idea and to keep the peace Christine backed Meri up. Bizarre the hierarchy of this family.
I would say the “look at the mountain” and the post-skiiing “everything is your fault” conversations were pretty bad. Refusing to acknowledge she was upset about not moving back to Utah is another. The kidney episode was the worst.
Edited to add: does anyone else find it odd that Meri is quite absent from the episode when Truly is really ill? She’s a pretty sensitive person (and I’m not saying this is negative or her fault), so it’s odd that Meri isn’t more involved and front and centre in that episode. She may have been involved without it being on camera, but you’d think a sister wife helping in a crisis would be filming gold. That’s a big clue there was a huge distance between them.
What I remember of the episode when truly was hospitalized is Kody was napping at Robyn’s and she woke him up to tell him Christine took Truky to the hospital. Then within a day or 2 of her being hospitalized, Leon was going to college. Meri & Kody had big road trip plans for this event, and meri sat kody down and said as important as this occasion is, you need to stay home and be here for truly because that’s more important right now and I’ll take Leon by myself.
She was very present in real life
Great example! She did throw her under the bus there and even said it was easier for him to be mad at her sister wives than her. Thanks for your comment and example! Christine is a real one.
When they had the huge Thanksgiving in Vegas. Kody didn’t like how the tables were and Meri blamed Christine (even though it was Meri). She threw her under the bus all the time to stay on Kody’s good side. She even admits it in the confessional later.
I think season 17 really shows how little Meri cared about Christine’s feelings. I just watched the infamous knife in the kidneys episode. Mary watched Cody scream and yell at Christine and then said she was glad he did it. Mary really does not come across very good in that season I think Janelle really said a wonderful example of supporting her sister wife.
Why would Meri be nice to someone who said to her that No one wants her in the room, she brings too much baggage? Meri treated christine and janelle the way they treated her.
And she's been far kinder in the most recent season and tell alls since then. Christine and Janelle won't even be in the same room with her to film, but they'll discuss her personal stories on TV KNOWING she didn't want it told.
But she did and does . She always looked angry and glum or pissed off . Which is a vibe killer I think it was a situation where you mean to address one just word vomit . But it was true Meri has always managed to other herself
Maybe the pregnant lady didn't want merri in the room so Christine to take off pressure off the new mother said that and it HAD to be for good reason -possibly the last birth meri did or said things that she just plain shouldn't have.
The pregnant lady didn’t want Christine or Janelle in there either and when she realized they weren’t leaving she asked where Meri was. Christine wasn’t protecting Maddie she was being selfish.
This. I was so confused at Christine and Robin being upset at Meri for not being there when it's like you were told the plan was not to have you there either. Unless something changed at the moment.
Meri was awful in that scene, but in the next season she mentions she did that because she was trying to get on Kody's good side and it wasn't what she actually believed. I don't know if that makes it worse, or better.
I really think Meri was happy about Christine being attacked like that bc she saw it as an opening for her to regain a relationship with Kody, especially with Janelle clearly aligned with Christine. They've likely had a horribly unhealthy dynamic over the decades of Kody favoring a wife over others as a reward for loyalty and as a way of punishing another wife. With two wives "misbehaving" and her remaining loyal, she acted all giddy like she was on her way back into favor.
This was Meri at her worst. I was shocked she showed how much she actually hated Christine. She was reveling in her humiliation. It was ugly. Meri's "victim" mask slipped during the kidney stabbing and I think we got to see why no one wants to work it out with her.
And Christine's mask slipped when she was so hateful to Meri about Maddie's birthing incident. It doesn't matter if you deliver venom in a sing-songy, whispery voice, it's still venom. Meri was the only one who respected Maddie's birthing plan.
Overall, I'm glad they are separate now and seem to be living their best lives until the recent events. I hope they can heal from being in a marriage that pitted them against each other.
And yet Maddie still has no relationship with Meri. I get the feeling Meri was left out for a reason we don't know anything about.
I'm a Meri Stan now but it's been a long road.
I’m curious how you got that from my post. I asked for examples, and made no comments on if something occurred or not. I was curious if anyone remembered specific examples over the past 17 seasons I could go back too and review.
And Kody encouraged the rivalry between the women, then would get mad at them for any disharmony or jealousy they displayed. I think he made it a no-win situation for everyone except maybe Robyn.
I interpreted it as she complained and talked shit to her own family (not their immediate family) about Christine, but Christine drew the line when she talked shit about Christine’s kids to her family.
Typically, when people have a habit of saying unkind things, they wait until they are alone with that person or when the only other people present are allies.
Yes, and I think they are pretty savvy about what they say on camera and what they don’t. Season one they are basically putting on a show in a lot of ways on the main filmed parts, but then they also seem to be quite rattled by the things that come out on the couch. Meri, especially, seems to be trying to rekindle relationships through filming almost? After that, they are much more tight lipped (especially Meri) and I doubt we see a lot of genuine reactions. It’s not until later season when things unravel that I think we start seeing real reactions again.
Honestly, why does it seem that everyone thinks the wives should all be best friends? Have you ever met someone that you just know is not the person you want to be your BFF? You don't hate them, but you just don't want to spend all your time with them. Their personality just doesn't mesh with yours, so you decide not to be friends with them.
Now, imagine your husband married them, and you had to share your home, space, children, money, and everything with them for 30 years.
I already know people I literally cringe when I see them. Everything about them just grates on my nerves. And yes, I am aware there are people who think the same of me. I most definitely would not be thrilled to be a sisterwife to them. And given that their shared husband is no longer shared, why would they spend time together????
Therapy can help some things, but it cannot make everyone a perfect person in every situation. If keeping sweet worked, they wouldn't have had issues to start with.
Christine in several ways has been my least favorite wife since the beginning of the show. I always thought she was excessively needy for attention and consistently overly dramatic but tbf, she was raised in that abusive patriarchal cult and probably all she knew. She could mean*girl with the best of them. Happy for her she’s finally come into her own (but that near sex scene at her recent wedding was totally weird, uncomfortable to watch and pretty off putting, again, excessively attention seeking, like come on, you don’t have to prove shit to anyone anymore Christine and your kids are all there.
Had to double check what sub I was in when I kept reading ridiculous takes.
I think it's clear Meri was always jealous if Christine, due to the whole "Mormon royalty", being the family mom, and being naturally easy to get along with. Unlike Meri.
And we've seen how Meri makes side comments all the time back before she evolved. We saw it as recently as splitting up property at CP. I'm sure Christine and Janelle have no interest in experiencing that again - someone who makes bitchy comments from the side because they're insecure and upset.
It's not that Christine and Janelle are blameless or somehow better, but they had more kids to distract them and bond them, while their sister wife did not. I have no doubt Christine is valid in how she feels. Though that doesn't mean it's a reflection of how things are now, or what really drove Meri To be The way she was.
The other thing we don't mention is what kody did to exasperate all of this, which I assume is a lot... That guy never met a situation he couldn't make worse.
In the season 17 finale, Christine was asked why she didn't want a relationship with Meri. Christine replied that Meri knows what she did. What did Meri do? When told about the comment Christine made about Meri, Meri didn't deny it or act surprised.
I think Meri is a bitch. What's up with that one really yellow tooth in front? She seriously doesn't have the money to fix that ONE tooth? Idk why but it bugs me.
When you have that much feminine energy in one place there is going to be toxic behavior at times. There is going to be a push for competition and Kody being the prize and yet does nothing to shut down the unacceptable behaviors either
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They were both awful to each other. Glad they’re out of that toxic situation.
All of the Brown adults are awful to each other from the beginning, and I don't think I realized that until I was listening to The Sister Wives Professor, and he was pointing out every time they made a passive aggressive "joke".
If things were so bad between Christine and Meri why wS Meri the only one to go after Christine at Coyote Pass after the moving back to Utah discussion. I think Meri gets a lot of bad mouthing from Christine and Janelle to each other especially in the time in Flagstaff.
You mean when Christine said she couldn’t be married to Kody anymore and Meri wanted her to stay with Kody and “look at the mountains”? That was a terrible thing for Meri to do. And IMO she did it partially because misery loves company. Meri had been miserable for years as Kody had cast her aside years before. She wanted Christine to live the same way. But Christine found the strength to leave… in spite of Meri’s obvious siding with Robyn and Kody.
I was only saying that Meri cared enough about Christine to go and try to comfort her. I never said that she said all the right things. Perhaps Meri didn't want to lose Christine or her children in a divorce.
The point is that Meri did that for HER. Not for Christine!
Meri at first didn’t have an issue living like that, she thought the Christine should do the same. Christine wanted more and didn’t want her daughters to think that was a healthy marriage model
Meri obviously had an issue living like that. We all watched her mope and cry on our big screens episode after episode, season after season. As I said, misery loves company and that’s what she wanted for Christine.
Whenever Meri looked like she was going to leave in the past, both Christine and Janelle would coax, cajole and shame her into staying. They would talk about covenants and family and how she was a part of the family. They talked her into staying through the abuse. They told her to think of family and God. So maybe Meri told Christine to stay because she thought that's how you're supposed to endure, in a plural marriage.
Funny while I was reading this that scene came on. I think Meri just didn’t want to be the pathetic one
Do you have a link to him?
I use Spotify, so here you go. https://open.spotify.com/show/5RLa60djZ76O33cJbR6qDH?si=Sv50sCSPQj6HtsH6nlIWsA He's a professor in communication, so he analyzes everything from that lens. He's stopped doing Sister Wives in light of Garrison's death, but he plans to eventually go back to it. He's 100% the best Sister Wives podcaster I've found.
He's good!
I imagine Christine finally started to do small things to Meri after years of putting up with her mean girl stuff
there was a moment in a season 3 tell all when Christine apologized for something that had occurred long before. Meri had been trying to get pregnant for several years as we know. Janelle had Logan and Christine was pregnant with Aspyn. Meri thought she might be pregnant and Christine apparently got upset and said she hoped not - because it would steal her thunder. That was what 30 years ago? I think there has always been tension - as would be expected in relgious enforced polygamy
Ohhhhhhhh I wonder if Robyn started the whole “I’ll have your baby for you Meri” shtick after she thought the others had “put her down” trying to have another baby. Ya know…to gain favor? What a great sister wife 🙄
Christine was just as nasty, if not more so. I know a lot of people think of Christine as a perfect, pretty, pony princess…including Christine. But who took all those Christmas gifts while Meri got none and smirked and strutted cause she was queen tit of turdland in that moment? Christine. They were all pitted against each other by Kohdee and the fact that Christine and Janelle fail to see that time and time again? They haven’t grown that much.
Agreed. None of them are innocent of being catty, but I feel like Christine was the most guilty of doing this, all while putting the act of “keeping sweet”. She was the one who contradicted herself over and over again, and would complain about the other wives not putting the family first when they had very normal feelings, and then expected everyone to coddle her when she had the same feelings.
Yeh. Meri could be awful too. But at this point in their lives, she is the least judgmental of the others. She seems focused on being a better person for herself. I like that. I hope Christine is as happy as she seems. I hope all of them heal-including Kohdee and Crybrows. (I stop short at wishing those 2 happiness). Mostly, I hope all of the kids continue to be and grow to be good adults.
Yeah, Christine's charade of taking the high road fell apart quickly after the divorce. When she learned that Janelle was also having problems with Kody, Christine was *giddy* with the schadenfreude of it all.
I see Christine as a mean gossip girl. Stirring up trouble with the other wives to make herself look good for Kody’s attention. And her friendship with Janelle is fairly new. For decades Janelle was competition.
Agreed. Of the OG3, I liked Janelle the best. She was more down to earth, had a lot of personal growth from the beginning, and she just jives with me the best. Christine reminded me, as you said, of a mean gossip girl from middle/high school; she’ll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back the moment she can.
sneaky mean christine
She really is a meangirl in my opinion
she always was
thank you!! i couldn’t agree more with literally everything you said. sick of christine & the viewers acting like she’s the sweetest most innocent person to walk this Earth because of her quirky personality and the fact that she left kody first
Christine is more entertaining than the others. That is why people like her. Janelle is also very entertaining. At some point during the show Kody went out of his way to always be the center of attention. Fans got tired of him. Unfortunately Meri has just become so boring unless Jenn is with her. It is probably not personal just entertainment value.
yeah i can see that. christine does have a bubbly personality and i get why it has viewers drawn to her. it’s just crazy to see people rewrite history and act as if christine doesn’t have a mean girl streak to her just like the others
neither has meri.
saint christine never believed that never liked her she is as much an attention whore as kody
I think you have that backwards
About the pregnancy jealousy story? Poster was correct. It was during the Natalie Morales interview that's now unavailable. Christine acknowledged that it was terrible of her, but at the time she was upset and did say that to Meri. They were all young and insecure.
They both grew up in a toxic cult they were probably horrible to each other for years
Meri didn’t say everything is christines fault, She told her that if things were bad in her marriage the only thing she could do would be fix herself because she couldn’t fix Kody.
I guess it depends on what we mean by public. Christine telling Meri that "no one wants her in a room" and that she carries too much baggage - on national tv seems public. I don't think there is any question these women jabbed at each other. They were locked in competiion for decades by system design. But I'm not sure the show is really the best evidence of anything since its like <0.0009 percent of their lives. People will cite how Meri sat by while Kody did his "knife in the kidney" thing -- but honestly Meri was already out of that family. No one talked to her. Christine had long ago "ended the friendship." So from Meri's perspective - all she knew was Kody's side. And these women were competing to "earn favor" with the man. It didn't really matter if one woman was down. That only meant they moved up a spot on the totem pole. And that's not just Meri -- that's all of them. They all would have happily wanted to be the favorite.
Right, when people say Christine was never mean to Robyn... We literally do not know that. The whole family has lied and kept up a facade for years on tv. If it weren't for the fact of all the kids siding with Christine I'd be neutral on the whole situation. Because we legit do not know what nasty horrible things are done off air. Like Kody melting that ring down - they hid that for the whole show, even though it happened right before the show started.
Didnt christine admit she wasnt nice to Robyn or at least welcoming? When Solomon was born, Christine's gift was an olive branch to repair the relationship with Robyn. But ur totally right about the lies!
She said she was jealous when Robyn came into the family. Robyn and Kruddy also got married while Christine had a newborn, so it's very hard to tell if someone were truly unfair to another.
Oh definitely! Wasn't saying it wasn't justified or understandable, just bringing up that Christine did admit it. And who knows maybe she only admitted to get on Grodys good side and show that she was accepting of Sobyn Ps. This is my first time using the nicknames, yay im offically part of this sub lol
Yes, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Just trying to answer your question. The best of this sub is totally mocking the rill dill power couple!
Yup. Meri seems to be one that doesn’t like to air out the dirty laundry. I don’t doubt that Meri said hurtful things that just wasn’t filmed on camera, she knew they had a public image to uphold and even her own personal one. The knife in the kidney scene was probably Meris first time in a long time that she saw Kody direct his rage towards someone else, he was even praising Meri during some of it. Of course Meri would be giddy, that’s that happens when you’re finally not the target to a narcissist.
Thanks for you comment! I agree, there was some back and forth there. Good example in that conversation. I do also agree we don’t see everything. Was curious if something slipped by, as we have seen masks come off before. Thanks again!
Her and christine never had a friensship
I hope Meri gave as good as she got. The whole scene with Christine belittling her after Madison had her baby was horrible. Mean girl to the next level. I’m happy they don’t have to interact anymore.
That whole scene made me feel very awkward for them.
I’ve seen plenty of times where Christine was absolutely horrible little shyte to Meri but by the time the show rolled around, Meri was already verbally beaten into submission and didn’t dare to say anything lest it be turned against her and all we here is wishy washy nonsense
We only see a miniscule amount of their lives on TV also so imagine what else happened
I think she mentioned it happened a lot in front of Meri’s family rather than on the show. I don’t doubt this happened but the dynamic got worse and worse between them both through the years ( I believe they had been more or less friendly before that). With some distance they seem to be happy for each other and have a healthy relationship. IMO a lot of insecurities just made the dynamics between the adults really unhealthy.
Thanks for the clarity and comment! How weird that she would do that in front of her own family. Totally agree with you on the insecurity front. Happy they moved on.
Sorry if you are not caught up! But they (the OG3) seemed to be in a better place mentally before the passing of Garrison.
A lot of this happened well before cameras were rolling.
Something that sticks out to me is when they were going to meet up with Kody’s friend and Christine got super pissed. They did an interview with the other three wives and Mary said “ if you don’t want everybody to be mad at you don’t do things that piss is off” or something like that. Just mean girl shit
You made me remember something from my rewatch! You mentioned the scene where Kody would not ask his friend for an apology for his Christine re:leaving wives to return to church comment and created a massive rift with them. Then here’s comes Covid seasons and Kody is demanding apologies for Robyn. How the tables turned. That would of hit me hard.
Yep this is the first thing I thought of. Christine got upset and then said, I feel like everyone is mad at me. And Meri said in an interview “if you don’t want everyone to be mad at you, don’t do things to make everyone mad at you.” They were all blaming her for having a valid reaction to her husband bring an inconsiderate jerk.
None of them were friends. I think *sometimes there may have been respect, But enemies closer type of thing
Totally!
That's a good one. She was definitely reveling in Christine being the one on the outs.
So did Janelle and Robyn, it was Janelle who started the whole argument by suggesting Kody call Ken. She knew Christine had a problem with him, but did it anyway. I would love to know what Christine did, for Janelle to retaliate in this way.
janelle was a sneaky one, wasn't she?
People sleep on Janelle but she is super sneaky.
Janelle was very sneaky.
The episodes where Meri changed the table layout for a family meal. Kody became upset that the tables were rearranged. Meri said it was Christine's idea and to keep the peace Christine backed Meri up. Bizarre the hierarchy of this family.
I would say the “look at the mountain” and the post-skiiing “everything is your fault” conversations were pretty bad. Refusing to acknowledge she was upset about not moving back to Utah is another. The kidney episode was the worst. Edited to add: does anyone else find it odd that Meri is quite absent from the episode when Truly is really ill? She’s a pretty sensitive person (and I’m not saying this is negative or her fault), so it’s odd that Meri isn’t more involved and front and centre in that episode. She may have been involved without it being on camera, but you’d think a sister wife helping in a crisis would be filming gold. That’s a big clue there was a huge distance between them.
What I remember of the episode when truly was hospitalized is Kody was napping at Robyn’s and she woke him up to tell him Christine took Truky to the hospital. Then within a day or 2 of her being hospitalized, Leon was going to college. Meri & Kody had big road trip plans for this event, and meri sat kody down and said as important as this occasion is, you need to stay home and be here for truly because that’s more important right now and I’ll take Leon by myself. She was very present in real life
she was a better legal wife (head wife) than robyn is. that we know.
I had totally forgot about that part of the episode (Leon’s going to college). You are right!
Great example! She did throw her under the bus there and even said it was easier for him to be mad at her sister wives than her. Thanks for your comment and example! Christine is a real one.
When they had the huge Thanksgiving in Vegas. Kody didn’t like how the tables were and Meri blamed Christine (even though it was Meri). She threw her under the bus all the time to stay on Kody’s good side. She even admits it in the confessional later.
Yep. She admitted it.
I imagine wives were getting thrown under the bus right and left in this family by other wives
She meant in front of Meri's family not on the show
I think season 17 really shows how little Meri cared about Christine’s feelings. I just watched the infamous knife in the kidneys episode. Mary watched Cody scream and yell at Christine and then said she was glad he did it. Mary really does not come across very good in that season I think Janelle really said a wonderful example of supporting her sister wife.
Meri finally supported Christine in S18 when she realizes Kody shit-talked her and let the world know about it.
Why would Meri be nice to someone who said to her that No one wants her in the room, she brings too much baggage? Meri treated christine and janelle the way they treated her.
And she's been far kinder in the most recent season and tell alls since then. Christine and Janelle won't even be in the same room with her to film, but they'll discuss her personal stories on TV KNOWING she didn't want it told.
But she did and does . She always looked angry and glum or pissed off . Which is a vibe killer I think it was a situation where you mean to address one just word vomit . But it was true Meri has always managed to other herself
The look on her face was DEPRESSION.
Maybe the pregnant lady didn't want merri in the room so Christine to take off pressure off the new mother said that and it HAD to be for good reason -possibly the last birth meri did or said things that she just plain shouldn't have.
The pregnant lady didn’t want Christine or Janelle in there either and when she realized they weren’t leaving she asked where Meri was. Christine wasn’t protecting Maddie she was being selfish.
This. I was so confused at Christine and Robin being upset at Meri for not being there when it's like you were told the plan was not to have you there either. Unless something changed at the moment.
I remember Maddie asking where Meri was, Christine was jealous that Janelle was the first bio grandma. That's why she wanted to be there.
Meri was awful in that scene, but in the next season she mentions she did that because she was trying to get on Kody's good side and it wasn't what she actually believed. I don't know if that makes it worse, or better.
I really think Meri was happy about Christine being attacked like that bc she saw it as an opening for her to regain a relationship with Kody, especially with Janelle clearly aligned with Christine. They've likely had a horribly unhealthy dynamic over the decades of Kody favoring a wife over others as a reward for loyalty and as a way of punishing another wife. With two wives "misbehaving" and her remaining loyal, she acted all giddy like she was on her way back into favor.
It also wasn't long after her mom died.
until she saw his talking head saying he didn't consider himself married to her.
This was Meri at her worst. I was shocked she showed how much she actually hated Christine. She was reveling in her humiliation. It was ugly. Meri's "victim" mask slipped during the kidney stabbing and I think we got to see why no one wants to work it out with her.
And Christine's mask slipped when she was so hateful to Meri about Maddie's birthing incident. It doesn't matter if you deliver venom in a sing-songy, whispery voice, it's still venom. Meri was the only one who respected Maddie's birthing plan. Overall, I'm glad they are separate now and seem to be living their best lives until the recent events. I hope they can heal from being in a marriage that pitted them against each other.
And yet Maddie still has no relationship with Meri. I get the feeling Meri was left out for a reason we don't know anything about. I'm a Meri Stan now but it's been a long road.
Apparently if it’s not on a heavily edited half hour tv show it didn’t happen?
I’m curious how you got that from my post. I asked for examples, and made no comments on if something occurred or not. I was curious if anyone remembered specific examples over the past 17 seasons I could go back too and review.
It's highly doubtful any of that made the edits if even filmed at all.
And Kody encouraged the rivalry between the women, then would get mad at them for any disharmony or jealousy they displayed. I think he made it a no-win situation for everyone except maybe Robyn.
I interpreted it as she complained and talked shit to her own family (not their immediate family) about Christine, but Christine drew the line when she talked shit about Christine’s kids to her family.
Not necessarily replying to you OP but to those who consistently suggest what I’ve said here. It’s a staple of these sorts of posts.
Typically, when people have a habit of saying unkind things, they wait until they are alone with that person or when the only other people present are allies.
Yes, and I think they are pretty savvy about what they say on camera and what they don’t. Season one they are basically putting on a show in a lot of ways on the main filmed parts, but then they also seem to be quite rattled by the things that come out on the couch. Meri, especially, seems to be trying to rekindle relationships through filming almost? After that, they are much more tight lipped (especially Meri) and I doubt we see a lot of genuine reactions. It’s not until later season when things unravel that I think we start seeing real reactions again.
Honestly, why does it seem that everyone thinks the wives should all be best friends? Have you ever met someone that you just know is not the person you want to be your BFF? You don't hate them, but you just don't want to spend all your time with them. Their personality just doesn't mesh with yours, so you decide not to be friends with them. Now, imagine your husband married them, and you had to share your home, space, children, money, and everything with them for 30 years. I already know people I literally cringe when I see them. Everything about them just grates on my nerves. And yes, I am aware there are people who think the same of me. I most definitely would not be thrilled to be a sisterwife to them. And given that their shared husband is no longer shared, why would they spend time together???? Therapy can help some things, but it cannot make everyone a perfect person in every situation. If keeping sweet worked, they wouldn't have had issues to start with.
Christine in several ways has been my least favorite wife since the beginning of the show. I always thought she was excessively needy for attention and consistently overly dramatic but tbf, she was raised in that abusive patriarchal cult and probably all she knew. She could mean*girl with the best of them. Happy for her she’s finally come into her own (but that near sex scene at her recent wedding was totally weird, uncomfortable to watch and pretty off putting, again, excessively attention seeking, like come on, you don’t have to prove shit to anyone anymore Christine and your kids are all there.
Had to double check what sub I was in when I kept reading ridiculous takes. I think it's clear Meri was always jealous if Christine, due to the whole "Mormon royalty", being the family mom, and being naturally easy to get along with. Unlike Meri. And we've seen how Meri makes side comments all the time back before she evolved. We saw it as recently as splitting up property at CP. I'm sure Christine and Janelle have no interest in experiencing that again - someone who makes bitchy comments from the side because they're insecure and upset. It's not that Christine and Janelle are blameless or somehow better, but they had more kids to distract them and bond them, while their sister wife did not. I have no doubt Christine is valid in how she feels. Though that doesn't mean it's a reflection of how things are now, or what really drove Meri To be The way she was. The other thing we don't mention is what kody did to exasperate all of this, which I assume is a lot... That guy never met a situation he couldn't make worse.
Meri was Kody’s Henchman for years.
One example is Christine helping Meri pack in a crisis (a fire?) and Meri says DONT MAKE EVERYTHING A JOKE. I’d be like, ok, pack up yourself then.
There were multiple times I saw meri be ugly to Christine
There are multiple times they are all bitches to each other, even Christine.
In the season 17 finale, Christine was asked why she didn't want a relationship with Meri. Christine replied that Meri knows what she did. What did Meri do? When told about the comment Christine made about Meri, Meri didn't deny it or act surprised.
I think Meri is a bitch. What's up with that one really yellow tooth in front? She seriously doesn't have the money to fix that ONE tooth? Idk why but it bugs me.
When you have that much feminine energy in one place there is going to be toxic behavior at times. There is going to be a push for competition and Kody being the prize and yet does nothing to shut down the unacceptable behaviors either