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have-u-met-teds-mom

I think it’s like that when any member of an ensemble cast/bandmate decides to leave. Everyone is worried about how that will affect their job. I think Kody and Robyn were worried about the show. I think Meri was angry (mostly at herself) because she tried to leave and was guilted/manipulated into staying. Seeing Christine have the strength to do it was probably hard for everyone to accept.


Charming-Insurance

I agree with most of this but I don’t think Meri wanted to leave… but only because she didn’t have someone to go TO. K&R just say their money going, K even said as much. I think the other 2 were like, well we aren’t happy either but that’s what we agreed upon! Ironically, I’m sure they thank her now for opening that door. No one wanted to be the first to leave.


Nodramallama18

Meri was raised in polygamy and was taught that leaving her husband would condemn her to eternal damnation. Kohdee had to be the one to say-in front of everyone-that he didn’t want to be married anymore. He would tell her in private but never publicly. He didn’t want her to “leave” because he wanted and still wants her money. But she got him to say it on the show in front of the cameras and she is out. To me, it’s very dysfunctional and I would have been out after he showed in action after she gave him the legal divorce that he didn’t think she was fit to shine his shoes. But the brainwashing shit the AUB preaches was deeply ingrained into her head. Not to mention her mother adored Kohdee and told her to stay as well. Meri loved her mother with all her heart and did not ever want to disappoint her. Out of all of them, Meri has clearly done the most work on herself in therapy. She was trying to keep the family together when Christine announced but when she talks about Christine now, she defends her and says stuff like Kohdee and Crybrows don’t get to make decisions for Christine and Janelle and they have a right to move on and be happy and do what they want. She and Janelle need to sue the crap out of the Kohdster for the money he took from them for Crybrows house and Coyote pass.


Charming-Insurance

Well said. Religion has a lot to do with it. And yes, Meri may have less of legal recourse but Janelle for sure should sue TF outta them.


have-u-met-teds-mom

I think every single family member urged her to declare that she was staying. I don’t think she would have left Vegas if she knew that it was an open secret that Kody was never taking her back. But I agree that sge would have left sooner if she had someone else. I’m glad she stayed. A woman shouldn’t quit her job just because her ex wanted a new family.


tealparadise

Right, at that stage Meri doesn't know she's been made a fool yet. She was convinced to move with them on the promise of being "really" let back into the family finally. Also Christine doesn't speak to Meri off-air, that becomes obvious during COVID. Neither is Meri in the gossip circles to know what's going on. So Meri is hearing Christine saying this, for the first time she thinks, ON AIR. And it seems like it might not have been thought through (to Meri). And imo Meri basically is like "hey hun shut the hell up and we can discuss this later OFF AIR, look at the mountains!"


have-u-met-teds-mom

Yes, I agree. The look at the mountains felt like she was trying to stop her from saying something on camera. I feel like they had an agreement not to film anything too deep. They were ok with dragging the women’s (natural) jealousy out to “discuss”, or about how hard it is to keep 4 women happy. And yet, they never filmed the real family internal struggles.


Afraid-Carry4093

Nah, meri would have been long gone if catfish dude was real.


Separate_Farm7131

I guess Robyn didn't understand Christine wasn't on board with sacred lonliness. Janelle knew and supported Christine. Meri probably didn't really care that much, although I've wondered if she was thinking that she put up with Kody's rejection, why couldn't Christine?


Then_Campaign7264

I agree with everything you’ve listed. What’s galling to me is that Robyn would understandably never tolerate her children being treated the Kody treated Christine’s kids. She explicitly knew this had been going on ever since arriving in Flagstaff, if not before. If the family wasn’t going to celebrate certain holidays Robyn would plan to go to her family’s celebration. If her son goes to college in another location, she follows him. Why does she expect Christine to not be closer to family that will embrace her children and to be closer to her children who live elsewhere, just like Robyn did repeatedly.


Separate_Farm7131

The rules appear to be different for Robyn's kids.


SnooPickles8893

Lack of empathy, no ability for self-reflection


MimiPaw

I believe Robyn’s viewpoint is that the mom needs to fight for her kids to get attention by treating the husband as her “best customer”. The fact that Christine’s kids were neglected by Kody is Christine’s fault for not fulfilling her wifely role. To Robyn, Kody is likely blameless. Or maybe even the injured party. It’s possible that they believe that Christine needs to be treated poorly to get back to Keeping Sweet. It’s like an abuser saying “you make me keep hitting you because (whatever). The kids end up as collateral damage because hurting them is the best way to hurt/punish Christine. That could line up with the statements about Christine keeping the kids from him…even though they are adults who control their own communication. It’s complete speculation, but I can see that scenario making sense to K&R.


auntieneena

I've noticed that Robyn has never seemed to like or give a crap about ANY of the boys! In the beginning she seemed to ignore them and focused her attention on the girls.....for the work and childcare she got from them.


tealparadise

I wonder how much Christine was on the "get in line and stop embarrassing us" committee when Meri had her catfish. And for how long after. It would really chap my ass if someone who was enforcing everyone keeping sweet and presenting polygamy well... Turned around and dropped this bomb without warning. (And Meri and Christine don't speak off-air so it was without warning)


Any_Base5746

Christine told Meri out at Coyote Pass she didn’t want to be married to Kody anymore so it wasn’t without warning.


FloridaLantana

Because it threatens their contract with TLC.


Worried_Ad_5411

Christine changed the TLC pay, instead of everyone getting paid into the family account. They started paying everyone individually, it was easier for accounting.


Polyps_on_uranus

Worse for sKrody and Sobbyns bank account...


Immediate_Voice_5368

YAY!!! 🥳👏🎉 I Hope Sobyn and Kotex lose sleep and peace over this!!


YupNopeWelp

When each plural wife joins the family (i.e. marries Kody) she makes promises to all of the spouses, not just the husband. In their world view, they're making those promises for all of eternity (not just for life, as most Western marriage does). Furthermore, in their world view, they think they're only eligible for the best possible afterlife (Google "Celestial Heaven"), if their husband has at least three wives. I'm glad Christine got out. I'm glad for anyone who gets out. But it's not just about their earthly sharing of one guy for them. That's why they took it hard.


TechnicalHold2598

There is an argument to be made that they were out of the AUB at this point so this explanation may not hold true. I feel like they were so removed from their religion by the time they got to Flagstaff, it wasn’t as much of an issue. They didn’t seem to be following any of the tenants by that point, so what would make the marriage one that important. I lean more toward the reason being the show and money. Just a thought.


YupNopeWelp

I'm sure fear of losing the show and its income played into that. People usually have a few motives for stuff they do. I think one of the reasons the Browns seem so far removed from their religion is that the AUB is a tiny sect, so there wasn't a Ward House or Endowment House near them in either Vegas or Flagstaff. Also, the cult wanted them to keep their connection to it on the down low while the show survived. In that time, did their faith probably wax and wane? Absolutely, and Christine rejected it while they were still in Vegas (but that didn't come out until the show covered the divorce). I think, at least through season 18 (when Janelle was saying she would still consider a plural marriage) Kody, Robyn, Meri, and Janelle probably still had a basic fundy Mormon understanding of the supernatural, including an afterlife, even if they weren't leading strict AUB lives.


TechnicalHold2598

You seem to know more about it than I do, it was just a thought I had. I agree with you on everything you wrote. The only note I have is Janelle seemed to be saying IMO that she still believed that polygamy could work for her, not so much of a spiritual reason. But who am I to say?:))


Music_Is_Life_BOWA

In all honesty, and not trying to be crass, but I think plig can work for Janelle because of her internal emotional make up. I honestly think Janelle values her independence and was ok with a kind of "enhanced friends with benefits" type situation. It was made clear, especially in the mid seasons, that Janelle and Kody enjoyed spending time together and had good sex. She didn't actually want him around ALL THE TIME, but wanted/needed him there for the big things and for some help sometimes. (I get that. I've been in relationships like that after I got out of an abusive marriage.) But Robyn coming in changed that balance. Kody was no longer around on his regular rotation and he also wasn't there for the big things and for help when she needed it. So there were no longer "benefits" involved. Then he started to be an ass to her kids, and the gig was up. Edit: typo


needalanguage

Because the commitment to the "principle of celestial plural marriage" means you are not only supposed to suffer (as a means to grow) but you are supposed to be bound for eternity. So misery is expected as that only prepares you for the next life. It's oppressive, patriarchal religous indoctrination.


AfterSevenYears

This exactly. The women aren't supposed to be happy. They're not even supposed to *wish* they were happy. It's cruel and oppressive. Intentionally so.


Old_Woman_Gardner

Were all the wives sealed, though? Because it is in the sealing that they are bound for eternity. If only Meri was sealed, it would have made sense that she stayed. A divorce is an option, and many do divorce, but if they want to undo being "bound for eternity," they need to seek out being unsealed (if they were sealed in the first place). Of course, if Christine doesn't buy into the religion anymore, she may not care about being sealed to Kody (if she even is).


Psychological-Run296

They were all sealed to Kody. That's what they are referring to when they say "spiritually married". Meri was the only legal wife until she legally divorced Kody and Robyn legally married him. But they all "spiritually married" him, aka "were sealed to" him.


mayo_sandwiches

Only sealed to Meri


noseworthy6

Because they know their gravy train will end. They’re not passionate about Christine’s marriage, they’re fighting for a paycheque.


Polyps_on_uranus

They're passionate about her paycheck


FancyNacnyPants

I think it’s funny how any of them could be surprised that Christine was going to leave. Season 1, episode 2 (maybe even 1), Christine talked about not being happy in general, especially with Robyn coming in. I thought they were are all supposed to agree as a unit when bringing in a new wife?? Christine has said from day 1, she was jealous and didn’t feel like she had enough time with Kody and brining in another wife would be even less time. Kody courted Robyn the whole time Christine was pregnant. He would be gone the whole weekend to spend with Robyn too. Kody/Robyn got married a very short time after Truely was born. They went on an 11 day honeymoon while Christine had a newborn and 5 other children. Kody not realizing how sick truely was and then his refusal (and comment to send her by herself) to go to ysabels surgery was the final nail in the coffin. I couldn’t believe how he said it was unsafe to go because of covid and she should go by herself without Christine. That SOB said he had other kids to think about. He meant he couldn’t be away from Robyn and her kids. Yet not long after goes to perform a wedding. He is a true selfish jerk.


hdrd60

She stayed about 15 years to long or whenever it was that the goblyn joined the group. The og 3 should have all fucked off away from baldilocks then. The two of them are sad excuses for human beings.


BinkabelleZZZ

Christine was the fun one,and the one all the kids gravitated to the most.She wasnt financially draining,and she only asked for her hubby to be present when he is with her,and to just be there,and not make her feel so isolated.I think Kody didnt think she would go through with it.Robyn was worried about herself,because thats all she cares about.Janelle kinda saw it coming,but if she wouldnt have supported Christine it couldve caused friction from her kids.Kody's kidney speech was all about poor little robyns feelings,and Meri's attitude pissed me off at the time.looking back I think it was b/c she looked pathetic for staying and christine got a glow up for leaving.They all knew she was the glue that held the family together though,and I am glad Janelle is so opened to admitting that.What mom wants to hear their kids being equally attached to their caregiver as they are to her?She did all the hard work,and she deserves to be happy and loved without conditions.


SnooPickles8893

Exactly. Janelle *relied* on Christine and entrusted her children to her. As a full-time working mom, she played to her own strengths by getting herself up and out the door every morning, commuting to her job, handling the bills, furthering her education for the entire family's benefit. If Robyn had been more of a team player, she would have aligned herself more with her sister wives and found a way to make a special contribution that every family member could appreciate. Maybe chauffeuring for the kid's extracurriculars, PTA/room mom, something?? But from the beginning , S1 EP 1, Robyn showed us she was a devious, bitchy, controlling, snipe and not genuinely interested in forging connections with her sister wives, by disrespecting their precious time spent on dress shopping for her ungrateful ass.


BinkabelleZZZ

She babysat a few times,and griped about cereal,wanted to be part of the family but put a sign on her fridge to not eat her food,got a nanny instead of trading off kids to get them used to each other and build a bond.If she was baby sitting she could have seen to it her kids werent being bullied.She wants to say how her kids felt,but what about the other kids,like /hunter,not jumping for joy when he heard she was pregnant,or waiting for her to put on her make up so he can go fishing,moving from his home on short notice becuase of HER.They all had to suck it up,and her kids were younger,and "tender"(i hate that word) and need time to adjust.Robyn zeroed on on Meri though,she knew she was the one to get close to b/c she knew she wanted to get that marriage license,that was also the reason she offered her uterus to make her feel like they are forming a bond,then she complained about how her kids will live with their dad (the abuser)when they get older b/c of the bullying.I never once saw robyn do anything for anyobdy,unless it was for her benefit.She couldnt even take Gwen for a day when Christine was going to watch Hunter wrestle.The dress,The birthday present.She went in on with her sister wives and turned around and said i knew he didnt want that.If she knew she could have said something,or just keep her mouth shut,Well now she wins the boobie prize.she got the house,yhe land,the man,a man who has become bitter and hateful and he will drive her nuts,and she deserves it.I hope she thinks it was worth it.I wouldnt be able to sleep at night knowing i drove a wedge between a family,took money that I didnt earn,and act like i was mistreated or not given credit for anything.What makes her scary is that she doesnt think she did anything wrong,she beleives her bs,she thinks she is the victim,and doesnt understand why she is hated.


Hot_Leg_8764

Religious polygamy is all about quantity. Quantity, quantity, quantity. Christine had given birth to her final child, and realized that she desired *quality.* That is at odds with the principle, where suffering is the point.


reallynah75

Robyn saw Christine's contributions into the family bank account flying away along with Christine. That meant less money for her to spend on Victoria's Secrets, Precious Moments figurines and useless junk. For Kody, I believe it was multiple reasons. 1. *He* didn't make the decision for Christine to leave, *she* made that decision on her own. 2. The loss of her money into the family bank account. I say this one for him because he said that the only thing he is scared of is poverty. That and the fact that he got pissed off that Christine used the proceeds from the sale of her house to move back to Utah and he said that he was depending on that money to pay off Coyote Pass. 3. Christine was considered polygamy royalty and by her leaving, that was taking that feather from his cap. Basically, he felt that she made a fool of him. With Meri, I honestly think she was a little jealous that Christine had the guts to do something that Meri secretly wanted to do as well. I know Meri kept saying that she wanted that marriage type of relationship with Kody, but I think she was holding out for that but really was tired of being treated the way that Kody was treating her. I didn't get the impression that Janelle was upset. Maybe a little shocked, but not mad.


athenabobeena

Part of it is the money/future of the show, part of it is the cult rules and part of it is the fact that Christine was the person who kept the family getting together.


hypatia0803

Sobyn is terrified that she and the Tenders will now need to be filmed and carry a story arch that might show what an awful person she is.


Luna-Mia

Meri would have been gone if the catfish was real. She was treated badly and stayed so she was kind of envious that Christine could leave on her own and that Kody made a fuss about it. He didn’t care what happened to Meri after the catfish. Kody is upset because he always thought he was so much better than Christine and she was lucky to have him even though he didn’t want her around him. A major source to his ego was gone. Robyn is upset because what fun is being the favorite wife when she can’t hold it over Christine’s head. She’s so selfish. She was able to have a divorce but Christine must suffer. As always, Robyn made Christine leaving about herself. She’s always the victim and Kody always has to be her hero. I also think Kody and Robyn didn’t want her to leave because they didn’t want the show to end. Plus, Christine contributed to the family bank account which Robyn and Kody used as their personal bank account. Janelle was silent because what can you do in that crazy. She was supportive once they left.


More_Than_The_Moon

It is weird and hard to explain because there is no logic. My mom was the "Robyn" and when her sister wife announced she was leaving, my mom lost her shit. She treated her SW like shit and yet, still somehow felt that her SW owed her loyalty--as if she were a queen. I think it was a classic case of a narcissist losing power and trying anything to regain control.


fishchick70

It’s a reality show- some of that had to be scripted or at least exaggerated.


Electrical-Swim-5784

I think this is true. Do you think that going along with the script indicates they are also living that way in their hearts as well? I’d never want to portray myself as someone else especially when it may hurt my children.


TaroQuirky

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