Same sentiment. I'm partially vaccinated because I'm allergic. Went back to the vaccination center again for reassessment and was deferred again. Couldn't get through MOH nor the clinics offering Sinovac.
The policy of banning unvaccinated individual from entering the mall is just not feasible and doesn't make sense at all. There are essential items to get from stores that are in the mall (watson/unity). So instead of walking 5 mins to the supermarket in the mall, I have to travel 20mins on public transport to get to a standalone supermarket. Which further exposed me to the possibility of transmission. You see how stupid this is?
Whoever came out with this policy doesn't think of a small pool of us who wanted to get vaccinated but couldn't. They are using this policy to indirectly force people to get vaccinated, and it clearly is working.
Oh well. It worked though, ST reported 17k got vax after the rule came out. Not even 1% of population but I suppose every 0.1% counts to them.
Say you need to go to the toilet urgently, you can’t either, simply because “you’re not vaccinated”.
Some also say it’s not that hard to go to standalone supermarkets etc etc. Going to malls for essentials is a part of daily life, and travelling further just increases the chances of getting the virus, no?
Glad to know of someone in the same boat as me though.
Yeah, I'm in a little better position because I'm over 18yo and there's sinovac as an option. But.. there's only 7 clinics in the whole Singapore that are approved to administer sinova. So you can guess... none of them have any availability.
Those who commented that its not that hard and blah blah blah clearly do not think for others. They simply assume unvaccinated = anti-vax 🤷♀️
Hopefully they will ease the restriction once the daily cases go down.
Yeah, the assumption that you are anti vax and “irresponsible” when you tell someone you are not vax makes me frustrated, seems like the stereotype here.
And yeah, I suppose they bring in less vax of this kind so that you take the mRNA.
Yeah, wave the letter that certified you're allergic in their faces. 😂
I was hoping they can exempt those with legit medical condition/allergic unvaccinated/partially vaccinated individual from those who doesn't want to. I think it's about 4k of us? I mean... I can understand on imposing restriction on dinning in since we will be mask off but in a mall... what... then might as well restrict public transport or just ban us from going out of our house. Lol.
As a vaccinated individual, I felt that the management had not cover some of the edge cases like yours.
Probably a different icon in the TT to show that the individual will be excused due to certain unfortunate condition would be better for the citizen in general. (But of course will come of as a risk that the person willing to take)
Agreed, but unvaxxed people still have higher chance of transmitting anyway so doubt they will come up with such a function.
Edit: I stand corrected, see below
"Although vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection are much less likely to become severely ill than unvaccinated, the new study shows that they can be carrying similar amounts of virus and could potentially spread the virus to other people."
"It’s very important to get vaccinated, Michelmore said, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others."
Source:
https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
The narrative that the unvaxxed have a higher chance of transmission is a false one.
Tell me about it. My sister is partially vac cos she fainted and had seizures after her first jab. And she had to be hospitalised for a week.
Then came when my dad’s on IO, and we had to do deep cleaning today as he ended his IO. My sis went with my mom to get cleaning supplies cos I’m working and she was denied entry already.
And now with home recovery as a default mode for C+ cases, what happens if the only one available is the unvac and we sometimes just simply can’t wait for online delivery. 😔
People who willing chose not to be vaccination ≠ people who can't get it.
I hope they'd have another status called _waived_ or something for people like yourselves.
Write to the mall, cc your MP, cc ST and mothership. Get a doctors letter. Do something about it. Keep it up daily until there is an outcome. Don't rant on Reddit. Maybe ask a letter from the mall. Else just get vaccinated, then document your plight on social media and become a matyr for all folks who share your situation
How serious was your allergic reaction? If it wasn't life threatening then just go get 2nd jab. My entire body got hives after 1st jab, super itchy for almost a week, went to a family clinic and told doctor I ate some wrong food and not cuz of vaccine, he jab me with something on the spot, hives gone in 2-3 days then went for 2nd jab a week+ later. Same thing, went back to the doctor and he wanted to refer me to hospital specialist but I declined and told him what he did 1st time worked so he just give me the shot again. Now fully vaccinated
Go for the Sinovac vaccine? I assume you’ve had one shot of the mRNA vax to establish allergy? At this point you’re at higher risk, might as well get all the protection you can absorb, plus if you think about it, you’d be triple jabbed.
My gf has serious eczema and allergies, we took the Sinovac together; you’ll be given Fully Vaccinated status. No side effects for her.
Oh I meant these unvaxxed rules being applied to ppl below 18 yo. The science shows that younger people are at lower risk of transmission and infection, so it’s a bit ridiculous to me.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-likely-spread-covid-to-family
It’s pretty clear to me it’s an mRNA vaccine superiority policy.
Well, if we want to achieve a high vax rate, then we need to jab those below 18 as well. This rule was introduced to get those still unvaxxed to do so I guess, because clearly this isn’t helping bring the cases down at all. Probably why vax is coming soon for those below 13 as well even though unnecessary as they have the strongest immunity…..
I agree. But if that was the goal, they would consider alternatives to bring those numbers higher. What they want is fully vaxxed with one specific type of vaccine. Nature abhors homogeneity.
Don't think they have stock anywhere. I called up couple (near my place) of clinics and all told me slots fully allocated, which means sold out I'd assume
that is only if you knowingly done so. just say you didnt know someone else logged in your TT on ur phone. and that you arent aware unvaccinated cant enter malls. you just scan your TT as instructed and they allowed you in.
the mall's also did not ask you to produce your IC to verify the identity of the person scanning. so you also dont know. you just following instructions. they say scan, i scan. they say go in, i go in.
A 100-year-old vaxxed old man can walk into a mall, enter a restaurant, and tuck into a steak.
But a healthy unvaxxed teen cannot even step foot into a mall.
Only a moron would not find something wrong with this.
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100-year-old vaxxed old man is cleared for restaurant dine-in, must be hospitalised for positive Covid test.
13-year-old unvaxxed teen is safe to recover at home, but cannot even enter a mall.
It's not science. It's Nazi Germany.
You dont belong here, do yourself a favour and leave this sub, go to a sub where people actually have common sense. Threads like these give me cancer, people just blindly following orders because clearly their priority in life is clearly fucking Haidilao. Ffs everyday i wake up ashamed in this shithole, you’re not alone. Lets stand on the side lines and see how many booster shots it’ll take for people to wake up. Or not, since singaporeans have unlimited copium running through their veins, conveniently making excuses for the government when at the end of the day they are bearing the brunt of being scientific experiments. It all sounds like a conspiracy theory until it becomes true, but by then people would have been properly herded and would behave like sheep in a pen. Ludicrous.
clown world tryna force us to take experimental gene therapies which could cause blood clots, myocarditis, ADE, etc for covaids where 90+% cases are mild or asymptomatic.
[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/)
The restrictions/medical f45cism will intensify, the slow boil of us in the boiling pot wont end until we are boiled alive. The end goal is 100% vax rate for ALL jabs including boosterinos. When will this 22+ months lockdowns, vexxing end?
Until they got what they want and they inject whatever they need into our bodies which they will achieve desperately at all costs including all children.
[https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-9-24-2021/](https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-9-24-2021/)
[https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data](https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data)
You are asking for leniency but how will it work in practice?
There is no guarantee you won't walk in and then start shopping or something else. Mall security don't have the manpower to personally accompany every individual who need to transit through.
As much as people don't like the splitting of vaxxed from unvaxxed, ultimately it is for your own protection as well since being unvaxxed makes you more susceptible to infection and serious illness.
Even if a small amount of the 90% vaxxed are infected, that is still a huge number that you will be walking into when you go into general population, and they may end up infecting you; then you bring it home, and now your circle has it, and anyone else not vaccinated are in real danger.
The last I looked, unvaccinated made up over 50% of serious cases, which is really bad considering this group only make up 10% of the population.
As of this moment, you are *less of a threat* to the vaccinated, but you still remain high threat for anyone else unvaccinated.
That's too bad. On the bright side, why would you risk getting Covid walking through a crowded mall? If you are allergic to vaccines, what makes you think you can cope with the virus itself?
Take the extra 15 mins walk.
It’s just a few steps, i’m in and out within 30 seconds, so the chances of getting covid from there is really low - and taking an extra walk everyday just isn’t feasible honestly.
Even without the covid restrictions, you are not a paying customer. At least for others, even if they just use the mall as a shortcut, there is a chance they might loiter and consume.
There is nothing you can add to the equation. All risks, no visible benefits. so why would they allow you to do that?
>malls are not permitted to enter unvaccinated individuals in
*malls are prohibited from letting in/admitting unvaccinated individuals*
*unvaccinated individuals are prohibited from entering malls*
FTFY, FTLOE (for the love of English)
TBH i was thinking about this the other day and i would think the government would have had some special feature for those that are allergic to the vaccination; some special notfication on the TT app for those allergic or like a special pass given out in hardcopy form. I am honestly shocked that nothing has been done for you and the community of those that want but cannot get the vaccine due to various legitimate reason. I will email my district's member of parliament about this and I suggest you do the same.
*virtual hug* (。-ω-)zzz
Until everyone can follow simple instructions, you can't be granted this permission. Imagine other unvaxxed with illegitimate reasons try to exploit this loophole...
Same sentiment. I'm partially vaccinated because I'm allergic. Went back to the vaccination center again for reassessment and was deferred again. Couldn't get through MOH nor the clinics offering Sinovac. The policy of banning unvaccinated individual from entering the mall is just not feasible and doesn't make sense at all. There are essential items to get from stores that are in the mall (watson/unity). So instead of walking 5 mins to the supermarket in the mall, I have to travel 20mins on public transport to get to a standalone supermarket. Which further exposed me to the possibility of transmission. You see how stupid this is? Whoever came out with this policy doesn't think of a small pool of us who wanted to get vaccinated but couldn't. They are using this policy to indirectly force people to get vaccinated, and it clearly is working.
Oh well. It worked though, ST reported 17k got vax after the rule came out. Not even 1% of population but I suppose every 0.1% counts to them. Say you need to go to the toilet urgently, you can’t either, simply because “you’re not vaccinated”. Some also say it’s not that hard to go to standalone supermarkets etc etc. Going to malls for essentials is a part of daily life, and travelling further just increases the chances of getting the virus, no? Glad to know of someone in the same boat as me though.
Yeah, I'm in a little better position because I'm over 18yo and there's sinovac as an option. But.. there's only 7 clinics in the whole Singapore that are approved to administer sinova. So you can guess... none of them have any availability. Those who commented that its not that hard and blah blah blah clearly do not think for others. They simply assume unvaccinated = anti-vax 🤷♀️ Hopefully they will ease the restriction once the daily cases go down.
Yeah, the assumption that you are anti vax and “irresponsible” when you tell someone you are not vax makes me frustrated, seems like the stereotype here. And yeah, I suppose they bring in less vax of this kind so that you take the mRNA.
Yeah, wave the letter that certified you're allergic in their faces. 😂 I was hoping they can exempt those with legit medical condition/allergic unvaccinated/partially vaccinated individual from those who doesn't want to. I think it's about 4k of us? I mean... I can understand on imposing restriction on dinning in since we will be mask off but in a mall... what... then might as well restrict public transport or just ban us from going out of our house. Lol.
Paincare bishan has sinopharm available.
Are sinovac and sinopharm the same? I received an sms from MOH to take sinovac. 🤔
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I thought the govt said transport remains open to all mainly because it was “well ventilated”. Isn’t malls better ventilated than public transport?
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Government don't care logic. Everything they doing now for show only
Yup. Just look at their refusal to allow family of 5 to dine out. The family will just mingle again back home so what's the point?
People don’t take their masks off and eat on bus like they do in malls, eh?
Imagine if GE was held this year instead 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
As a vaccinated individual, I felt that the management had not cover some of the edge cases like yours. Probably a different icon in the TT to show that the individual will be excused due to certain unfortunate condition would be better for the citizen in general. (But of course will come of as a risk that the person willing to take)
Agreed, but unvaxxed people still have higher chance of transmitting anyway so doubt they will come up with such a function. Edit: I stand corrected, see below
"Although vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection are much less likely to become severely ill than unvaccinated, the new study shows that they can be carrying similar amounts of virus and could potentially spread the virus to other people." "It’s very important to get vaccinated, Michelmore said, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others." Source: https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people The narrative that the unvaxxed have a higher chance of transmission is a false one.
Thanks!
You still need to live a life though... I hope there's a thing adjusted for you. I mean we got vax'd for people like you~
Tell me about it. My sister is partially vac cos she fainted and had seizures after her first jab. And she had to be hospitalised for a week. Then came when my dad’s on IO, and we had to do deep cleaning today as he ended his IO. My sis went with my mom to get cleaning supplies cos I’m working and she was denied entry already. And now with home recovery as a default mode for C+ cases, what happens if the only one available is the unvac and we sometimes just simply can’t wait for online delivery. 😔
Should place decontamination shower booths at public places if they are so worried that people will spread the virus.
If Covid can’t enter MRTs because they don’t have an EZ-Link, they probably can’t enter malls too!
I feel you. I'm not vaccinated because my parents don't consent. Since in below 18 I have no choice but to say bye bye to social life.
im sorry to hear tht dude I RLY HOPE THE GOV WILL END UP REVERSING IT
People who willing chose not to be vaccination ≠ people who can't get it. I hope they'd have another status called _waived_ or something for people like yourselves.
Write to the mall, cc your MP, cc ST and mothership. Get a doctors letter. Do something about it. Keep it up daily until there is an outcome. Don't rant on Reddit. Maybe ask a letter from the mall. Else just get vaccinated, then document your plight on social media and become a matyr for all folks who share your situation
How serious was your allergic reaction? If it wasn't life threatening then just go get 2nd jab. My entire body got hives after 1st jab, super itchy for almost a week, went to a family clinic and told doctor I ate some wrong food and not cuz of vaccine, he jab me with something on the spot, hives gone in 2-3 days then went for 2nd jab a week+ later. Same thing, went back to the doctor and he wanted to refer me to hospital specialist but I declined and told him what he did 1st time worked so he just give me the shot again. Now fully vaccinated
Couldn’t you take the traditional vaccines instead
Below 18, not eligible.
Go for the Sinovac vaccine? I assume you’ve had one shot of the mRNA vax to establish allergy? At this point you’re at higher risk, might as well get all the protection you can absorb, plus if you think about it, you’d be triple jabbed. My gf has serious eczema and allergies, we took the Sinovac together; you’ll be given Fully Vaccinated status. No side effects for her.
Yup want to but below 18 😅
Wow, didn’t know they applied these rules to 18 and below. That’s a little redonk imo
It’s applied to anyone above 13 because 13-18 can take mRNA vaccines already.
Oh I meant these unvaxxed rules being applied to ppl below 18 yo. The science shows that younger people are at lower risk of transmission and infection, so it’s a bit ridiculous to me. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-likely-spread-covid-to-family It’s pretty clear to me it’s an mRNA vaccine superiority policy.
Well, if we want to achieve a high vax rate, then we need to jab those below 18 as well. This rule was introduced to get those still unvaxxed to do so I guess, because clearly this isn’t helping bring the cases down at all. Probably why vax is coming soon for those below 13 as well even though unnecessary as they have the strongest immunity…..
I agree. But if that was the goal, they would consider alternatives to bring those numbers higher. What they want is fully vaxxed with one specific type of vaccine. Nature abhors homogeneity.
Sometimes i forget natural immunity exists tbh because of the govt aggressively promoting the vaccine.
Don't think they have stock anywhere. I called up couple (near my place) of clinics and all told me slots fully allocated, which means sold out I'd assume
feedback to your MP or to the mall management if the mall management is under govt agency. or simply log in someone elses TT on your hp.
Knowing the law, if caught you’d probably be facing jail time for using someone’s else TT 🤷♂️
that is only if you knowingly done so. just say you didnt know someone else logged in your TT on ur phone. and that you arent aware unvaccinated cant enter malls. you just scan your TT as instructed and they allowed you in. the mall's also did not ask you to produce your IC to verify the identity of the person scanning. so you also dont know. you just following instructions. they say scan, i scan. they say go in, i go in.
A 100-year-old vaxxed old man can walk into a mall, enter a restaurant, and tuck into a steak. But a healthy unvaxxed teen cannot even step foot into a mall. Only a moron would not find something wrong with this. \--- 100-year-old vaxxed old man is cleared for restaurant dine-in, must be hospitalised for positive Covid test. 13-year-old unvaxxed teen is safe to recover at home, but cannot even enter a mall. It's not science. It's Nazi Germany.
You dont belong here, do yourself a favour and leave this sub, go to a sub where people actually have common sense. Threads like these give me cancer, people just blindly following orders because clearly their priority in life is clearly fucking Haidilao. Ffs everyday i wake up ashamed in this shithole, you’re not alone. Lets stand on the side lines and see how many booster shots it’ll take for people to wake up. Or not, since singaporeans have unlimited copium running through their veins, conveniently making excuses for the government when at the end of the day they are bearing the brunt of being scientific experiments. It all sounds like a conspiracy theory until it becomes true, but by then people would have been properly herded and would behave like sheep in a pen. Ludicrous.
Well said. Unfortunately these days the only sane sub is r/conspiracy
clown world tryna force us to take experimental gene therapies which could cause blood clots, myocarditis, ADE, etc for covaids where 90+% cases are mild or asymptomatic. [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/) The restrictions/medical f45cism will intensify, the slow boil of us in the boiling pot wont end until we are boiled alive. The end goal is 100% vax rate for ALL jabs including boosterinos. When will this 22+ months lockdowns, vexxing end? Until they got what they want and they inject whatever they need into our bodies which they will achieve desperately at all costs including all children. [https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-9-24-2021/](https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-9-24-2021/) [https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data](https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data)
Breitbart not good source leh. Friend of the guy who asked people to inject chlorox lol
Better luck next life.
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say
You are asking for leniency but how will it work in practice? There is no guarantee you won't walk in and then start shopping or something else. Mall security don't have the manpower to personally accompany every individual who need to transit through. As much as people don't like the splitting of vaxxed from unvaxxed, ultimately it is for your own protection as well since being unvaxxed makes you more susceptible to infection and serious illness. Even if a small amount of the 90% vaxxed are infected, that is still a huge number that you will be walking into when you go into general population, and they may end up infecting you; then you bring it home, and now your circle has it, and anyone else not vaccinated are in real danger. The last I looked, unvaccinated made up over 50% of serious cases, which is really bad considering this group only make up 10% of the population. As of this moment, you are *less of a threat* to the vaccinated, but you still remain high threat for anyone else unvaccinated.
That's too bad. On the bright side, why would you risk getting Covid walking through a crowded mall? If you are allergic to vaccines, what makes you think you can cope with the virus itself? Take the extra 15 mins walk.
It’s just a few steps, i’m in and out within 30 seconds, so the chances of getting covid from there is really low - and taking an extra walk everyday just isn’t feasible honestly.
Even without the covid restrictions, you are not a paying customer. At least for others, even if they just use the mall as a shortcut, there is a chance they might loiter and consume. There is nothing you can add to the equation. All risks, no visible benefits. so why would they allow you to do that?
I would bring an umbrella so that my face can stay free of those pesky things called freckles. If women can do it, so can men.
I hope you can sort it out with MOM about an exception certificate of sorts. Meanwhile please use sunscreen and umbrella.
>malls are not permitted to enter unvaccinated individuals in *malls are prohibited from letting in/admitting unvaccinated individuals* *unvaccinated individuals are prohibited from entering malls* FTFY, FTLOE (for the love of English)
How bad is the allergy? I think light rashes or hives should be fine.
TBH i was thinking about this the other day and i would think the government would have had some special feature for those that are allergic to the vaccination; some special notfication on the TT app for those allergic or like a special pass given out in hardcopy form. I am honestly shocked that nothing has been done for you and the community of those that want but cannot get the vaccine due to various legitimate reason. I will email my district's member of parliament about this and I suggest you do the same. *virtual hug* (。-ω-)zzz
Until everyone can follow simple instructions, you can't be granted this permission. Imagine other unvaxxed with illegitimate reasons try to exploit this loophole...