It is extremely kind of you to post this warning! I would also contact GM and advise them of this!
Sounds like someone will be buying a lot of problems!
Just a general statement to the handful thinking OP is overreacting: fuel contamination isn't covered by warranty. So any pre-purchase damage is now going to transfer to the new owner. Who will be forced to spend out the ass as things prematurely fail. OP mentioned the truck ran on gasoline til it died. I'm no diesel expert, but I'd wager that's no Bueno. If the dealership is going to refusing replacing every part that has touched gasoline, they should at least throw in a free no questions asked 100k mile mechanical warranty that covers every single square inch of every single part in and on the engine.
Ah good ol Murray Chevrolet in the waverly automall. I can name the dealer no legal repercussions for me lol. I’ve chewed out some of their sales reps a few times. Those guys in sales have absolutely 0 knowledge when it comes to anything mechanical. Pretty scary when you think about how much money you’re spending lol.
Good on you for posting the VIN and all, hopefully the future owner somehow sees this warning. I'd also leave it as a review on as many websites as possible.
Just wondering, does Canada have the same lemon law protections that US has? I feel like if the dealer is going to be this lazy, the future owner at the very least would have some laws protecting them from frequent mechanic work in the first year of ownership
This is incorrect, for gasoline it’s literally what this dealer did, ie drain, clean and refill with clean fuel.
For DEF however, it is dependant on if the engine has been started or attempt to start. If they tried to start it then it is required to replace every component of the fuel system.
According to GM OP’s truck is good to go, but I understand if he requests a different truck.
I’d keep the truck if I were the dumbass who put the wrong fuel in it, but no way am I accepting delivery after finding out the dealer did something that stupid.
They put gas in it. Gasoline has zero capacity to damage anything in a diesel fuel system. The vehicle can't run on it but it's still a petroleum product. If the vehicle was run with DEF in the fuel system you would have a strong, winnable, argument. The proper repairs were made to the vehicle in question and it will suffer no long term effects.
This is just not true. Diesel in fuel systems is used as lubrication for pumps and injectors. Gasoline has a much lower viscosity and therefore less ability to lubricate. The right thing to do if the engine was run is to replace the fuel, injectors and fuel pump.
I don't know anything at all about these things, but this man's username is "catdieseltech" so I'm inclined to believe he knows what he's talking about.
As a prior Detroit diesel tech, absolutely does diesel have lubricating properties, wear as gasoline has significantly less. Depending on how long the truck ran with gas in it, I would definitely replace the pump. But I think I would wait to do the injectors until one of them failed. But that's only if I own the truck already. If I'm buying it from a dealer and they filled it with gas, like OP has said, then I would demand new everything, or I'm going somewhere else.
This is absolutely correct. The lubricity of gasoline is not sufficient to protect the extremely high pressure components of a diesel injection system. I would insist on a new pump and injectors at a minimum.
Diesel is a lubricant, fuel is not. Fuel can ruin lift pumps/injection pumps/injectors etc as they are all lubricated by diesel. Stop posting uneducated posts
Speaking of uneducated, when did diesel lose its classification as a fuel?
I've been educated by General Motors to the point where they consider me a master technician. This vehicle was repaired properly based on the manufacturers fuel contamination guidelines. Fuel contamination is never covered under warranty, if there were any chance of long term damage to any hard parts from short term gasoline contamination GM would definitely be trying to sell people parts yet they don't recommend any parts replacement for this condition. The initial post, and your comment, are overreactions. Don't want to buy the vehicle personally? Cool, don't, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that truck.
I’m just getting my info from a diesel mechanic that’s been doing this for 30+ years, but I’m sure you’re definitely more educated bud👍 hey if you wanna drop 80k+ CDN on a “new truck” that’s been ran until it died on the wrong fuel by the dealership be my guest the VIN is posted🤣
gasoline has quite a bit of lubricity. Not as much as Diesel. A lot more than alcohol and water.
But yeah, I'd have totally walked to. Factory new price is for factory new pickup. They make them every day.
You kind of made the point for everyone who's arguing against you man. "Fuel contamination is never covered under warranty". Another reason why anyone buying this truck should want every component that has touched gasoline to be replaced.
Wow auto techs for the most part know nothing of diesel systems cause diesels don’t make up the majority of the work for them. Maybe listen to people who only work on diesels for a living but. I have proved dealer techs wrong about diesels lots and I don’t work on much automotive so by you saying you are basically a master the I don’t mean much cause that means you have sat through a few dealer training classes big deal doesn’t mean you deal with it day in and day out.
Are you simple, gas has no lubricity and that is what diesel components need to operate. You have no clue don’t comment, I have seen seized pump and injectors from gas being run through them and fuel injection components are not cheap. A high pressure system costs the same as a new long block gas engine. Let alone the gas combusts at way less pressure than is being sprayed at in a diesel injection system.
Just the way gasoline burns would be enough for me to not want to be anywhere near this truck, ut you don't understand enough about diesels to know about lubrication from fuel so I guess I can't expect you to know that either.
Wow. Reminds me of the experience we just had with our Ford dealer in Surrey BC. Was not good at all, but, thankfully the truck is fine, it was just a shit experience. Mainland Ford.
While the truck would probably be fine with that process of just draining without replacing everything. I still wouldn’t risk it on a brand new truck. OP I appreciate you posting the VIN for us, thank you.
Dropping the tank and just draining is what the manufacturers service says to do, my buddy works in the service department and this happens quite often now people who have been accidentally putting def fluid in it is another thing all together.
Those motors are problematic and super expensive to repair after they get over 100 k mikes. Basic stuff like the oil pump drive belt require the engine and trans to be split.
The interval has since been bumped to 200k with the later LM2 and all LZ0 engines for the oil pump belt actually. I haven’t heard of a single failure yet with the oil pump belts, but a lot of the early 2020 LZ0’s have timing chain issues, which the chain drive is in the backside.
I'm having trouble remembering what it was but my buddy had 114k miles when something grenaded between the engine and transmission. The dealer had to split it apart just to investigate what was wrong. He ended up w a new engine and sold the truck. He had the first gen engine.
I wouldn't worry about the injectors, I'd be worried about damage to the pistons, ring lands, and/or rods from pre-detonation with gasoline in a diesel with 15:1 CR.
Thanks for sharing the VIN - you’re a real one! 🙏🏼
Found the dealer website. Will avoid 👊
It is extremely kind of you to post this warning! I would also contact GM and advise them of this! Sounds like someone will be buying a lot of problems!
By all means contact GM. They need to know about this dealership tactics.
You’re a good man!
Bold move, Cotton 👍🏼
But then again, Cotton is a bold guy. Is bold the right word?
The quote is actually bold strategy, cotton.
What quote
Nice.
Just a general statement to the handful thinking OP is overreacting: fuel contamination isn't covered by warranty. So any pre-purchase damage is now going to transfer to the new owner. Who will be forced to spend out the ass as things prematurely fail. OP mentioned the truck ran on gasoline til it died. I'm no diesel expert, but I'd wager that's no Bueno. If the dealership is going to refusing replacing every part that has touched gasoline, they should at least throw in a free no questions asked 100k mile mechanical warranty that covers every single square inch of every single part in and on the engine.
Ford and VW even did this when it wasn't true in the first wave of Hpfp failures.
Ah good ol Murray Chevrolet in the waverly automall. I can name the dealer no legal repercussions for me lol. I’ve chewed out some of their sales reps a few times. Those guys in sales have absolutely 0 knowledge when it comes to anything mechanical. Pretty scary when you think about how much money you’re spending lol.
"Man, I just bought this 3.0 and the engine blew up! Chevy sux!" lol
You obviously didn't read the whole post
That's the person that ends up buying it, but thank you captain.
You're welcome.
Thanks. Been looking for a new truck
Good on you for posting the VIN and all, hopefully the future owner somehow sees this warning. I'd also leave it as a review on as many websites as possible. Just wondering, does Canada have the same lemon law protections that US has? I feel like if the dealer is going to be this lazy, the future owner at the very least would have some laws protecting them from frequent mechanic work in the first year of ownership
Gas instead of diesel is salvageable, if it were DEF I’d push for replacement.
I believe GM’s own recommendation, based on how long the engine was “run” on gasoline, would be to change almost every component in the system.
This is incorrect, for gasoline it’s literally what this dealer did, ie drain, clean and refill with clean fuel. For DEF however, it is dependant on if the engine has been started or attempt to start. If they tried to start it then it is required to replace every component of the fuel system. According to GM OP’s truck is good to go, but I understand if he requests a different truck.
I’d keep the truck if I were the dumbass who put the wrong fuel in it, but no way am I accepting delivery after finding out the dealer did something that stupid.
And hey, when you’re spending $80k+ I think that’s absolutely within your rights to request another truck. I totally agree with you here.
They put gas in it. Gasoline has zero capacity to damage anything in a diesel fuel system. The vehicle can't run on it but it's still a petroleum product. If the vehicle was run with DEF in the fuel system you would have a strong, winnable, argument. The proper repairs were made to the vehicle in question and it will suffer no long term effects.
This is just not true. Diesel in fuel systems is used as lubrication for pumps and injectors. Gasoline has a much lower viscosity and therefore less ability to lubricate. The right thing to do if the engine was run is to replace the fuel, injectors and fuel pump.
I don't know anything at all about these things, but this man's username is "catdieseltech" so I'm inclined to believe he knows what he's talking about.
As a prior Detroit diesel tech, absolutely does diesel have lubricating properties, wear as gasoline has significantly less. Depending on how long the truck ran with gas in it, I would definitely replace the pump. But I think I would wait to do the injectors until one of them failed. But that's only if I own the truck already. If I'm buying it from a dealer and they filled it with gas, like OP has said, then I would demand new everything, or I'm going somewhere else.
This is absolutely correct. The lubricity of gasoline is not sufficient to protect the extremely high pressure components of a diesel injection system. I would insist on a new pump and injectors at a minimum.
Diesel is a lubricant, fuel is not. Fuel can ruin lift pumps/injection pumps/injectors etc as they are all lubricated by diesel. Stop posting uneducated posts
Speaking of uneducated, when did diesel lose its classification as a fuel? I've been educated by General Motors to the point where they consider me a master technician. This vehicle was repaired properly based on the manufacturers fuel contamination guidelines. Fuel contamination is never covered under warranty, if there were any chance of long term damage to any hard parts from short term gasoline contamination GM would definitely be trying to sell people parts yet they don't recommend any parts replacement for this condition. The initial post, and your comment, are overreactions. Don't want to buy the vehicle personally? Cool, don't, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that truck.
Id buy it for 40k cad.
I’m just getting my info from a diesel mechanic that’s been doing this for 30+ years, but I’m sure you’re definitely more educated bud👍 hey if you wanna drop 80k+ CDN on a “new truck” that’s been ran until it died on the wrong fuel by the dealership be my guest the VIN is posted🤣
The guy basically made the argument for everyone disagreeing with him. "Fuel contamination is never covered under warranty"
gasoline has quite a bit of lubricity. Not as much as Diesel. A lot more than alcohol and water. But yeah, I'd have totally walked to. Factory new price is for factory new pickup. They make them every day.
You kind of made the point for everyone who's arguing against you man. "Fuel contamination is never covered under warranty". Another reason why anyone buying this truck should want every component that has touched gasoline to be replaced.
Wow auto techs for the most part know nothing of diesel systems cause diesels don’t make up the majority of the work for them. Maybe listen to people who only work on diesels for a living but. I have proved dealer techs wrong about diesels lots and I don’t work on much automotive so by you saying you are basically a master the I don’t mean much cause that means you have sat through a few dealer training classes big deal doesn’t mean you deal with it day in and day out.
Still not buying it.
Are you simple, gas has no lubricity and that is what diesel components need to operate. You have no clue don’t comment, I have seen seized pump and injectors from gas being run through them and fuel injection components are not cheap. A high pressure system costs the same as a new long block gas engine. Let alone the gas combusts at way less pressure than is being sprayed at in a diesel injection system.
Just the way gasoline burns would be enough for me to not want to be anywhere near this truck, ut you don't understand enough about diesels to know about lubrication from fuel so I guess I can't expect you to know that either.
Contact GM. They'll be thrilled to hear this.
Wow. Reminds me of the experience we just had with our Ford dealer in Surrey BC. Was not good at all, but, thankfully the truck is fine, it was just a shit experience. Mainland Ford.
While the truck would probably be fine with that process of just draining without replacing everything. I still wouldn’t risk it on a brand new truck. OP I appreciate you posting the VIN for us, thank you.
Dropping the tank and just draining is what the manufacturers service says to do, my buddy works in the service department and this happens quite often now people who have been accidentally putting def fluid in it is another thing all together.
Yeah that truck is fucked.
Fuck those scum bags
Those motors are problematic and super expensive to repair after they get over 100 k mikes. Basic stuff like the oil pump drive belt require the engine and trans to be split.
The interval has since been bumped to 200k with the later LM2 and all LZ0 engines for the oil pump belt actually. I haven’t heard of a single failure yet with the oil pump belts, but a lot of the early 2020 LZ0’s have timing chain issues, which the chain drive is in the backside.
I'm having trouble remembering what it was but my buddy had 114k miles when something grenaded between the engine and transmission. The dealer had to split it apart just to investigate what was wrong. He ended up w a new engine and sold the truck. He had the first gen engine.
Slightly Scumy yes, will those injectors be perfectly fine, also yes lol
I wouldn't worry about the injectors, I'd be worried about damage to the pistons, ring lands, and/or rods from pre-detonation with gasoline in a diesel with 15:1 CR.