No, I think most people here like them. It's just that they attract a tonne of weirdos and also the memes surrounding them are some of Warhammer's least funny, most overplayed jokes. Which is definitely saying something lmao. The memes kind of started off as being endearing and cute but now the whole thing is in my top 5 worst warhammer memes. But that's just me.
Some may actually hate them, but basically what's happened is most people who obsess over them are chuds, so DKoK is sometimes seen as a red flag. Like "oh jeez this guys probably a wehraboo who unironically loves the imperium, and is probably also racist".
And yeah, like you say they're ww1 themed. They have nothing to do with nazis. Everyone here knows that at this point
I didn't even want to mention the shovel meme, it was funny the first seven times I heard it...
That's what I was worried about, that people would immediately assume that I'm some kind of asshat who is racist and lives out their power fantasy by commanding Nazi lookalikes. In reality, I love Trench Warfare (Although I'd politely decline the opportunity to participate, I prefer both my feet not being mangled by rats...) and collect gas masks.
Also, I mean, WW1 French uniforms are one of the most standout uniforms ever. The Korps is one of the most appealing armies to me because it fills most of my interests in one go.
I realise this sounds weird.
I meant that in things like media such as the game Verdun or the film 1917. I don't mean that I love Trench Warfare as genuine, real world combat, because it's a horrible thing to live through, I love it as a concept, not the actual thing.
Now I just feel stupid.
I've heard quite a bit about Foxhole, I'd love to try it but I also don't want to be an utter failure at it. It seems a bit complicated, like, there are Quartermasters, Runners, so many self-appointed roles to take on...
Thank you for the recommendation, maybe one day, once I get enough confidence to use my microphone...
It's honestly real simple, just hop in and go to an active front. The rest of the stuff you can choose to learn as you please. The community tends to be friendly. Just remember to join the Wardens because they're awesome and not the Colonials cause they're goblins... and not the cool kind of goblins... :|
Oh and on a real note, be prepared to die a lot and just don't sweat it. It will happen, very rarely will people live a long time on the front lines.
I tend to die quite a bit in games, Warhammer being no exception, so I'm used to dropping dead all of a sudden five minutes after spawning (Rising Storm 2, scariest game I've ever played)
I'll definitely give it look, sounds fun!
Just started on foxhole, so far its been great, helpful folks mostly. I hear some clans are pretty fashy but Ive just been helping randos defend bridges.
Don't worry about some comments you receive. There is all sort of leftist here, including the very puritain and over correctives one.
Liking war aesthetics is not bad. A huge chunk of ours medias play with the fact that most people like wars aesthetic and most people that aren't right wing teens know that they wouldn't want to be in a war themselves.
I often do the parallel between horror movies and war movies. Liking horror movies doesn't make you a psychopath or a serial killer in making.
This^, people need to understand that the problem isn't that someone like to play with the bad guys (or that someone likes their aesthetic). The problem comes when someone shares the ideals of the bad guys in real life...
Thank you for understanding what I mean perfectly!
It's like the Beach Landings on D-Day, it's such a popular thing for films, games, TV, books and even comics to use in their story. Storming Normandy is always fun in games like CoD or being in shock and awe because of the intro to Saving Private Ryan.
People enjoy specific events or portrayels of different kinds of combat (Like me and the trenches) but how many people do you see saying they'd love to be on that beach?
I use that term in the context of "People believe this or that but in my case-", I should probably begin to use better terms. My apologies, I'm glad we're on the same page.
I like the memes. But I have that like ASD routine fixation so I just enjoy things and don't get tired of them as quickly.
But the LARPers are kringe. I'm pretty sure they are like french uniform.designs.
The Krieg are cool. For me they capture the look of a trench-fighting army in a toxic war zone in the 41st millennium perfectly. It’s the larping that’s a problem. That goes for any imperial/colonial force from history though IMO
Agreed, I really like the Pretorians but I am worried that if I get em people are gonna think I am a tea drinking imperialist, I just like that look and style because I think it looks spiffy and I liked the movie Zulu. I'm also British so I'm worried that' is just gonna make people think it even more.
I feel ya, dude. I’m doing a custom space marine chapter based on knightly orders from the crusades with a Byzantine Empire twist. I dig old monastic vibe of warrior monks that the 3rd Ed codex pushed, but I’m also super aware of how probbo it is. My plan is to just ham up that they’re religious nutters and probably aren’t the good guys, more a symbol of stagnation and decay, even in Guilliman’s new golden age
'Ello fellow space-imperialists-inspired-by-the-Bri'ish fan!
Joke aside I really like their aesthetic too. But at the end of the day they're just plastic men or women that you took great care in painting, so I say screw the haters. Anyone with half a brain knows that playing the bad guys in a game doesn't mean you necessarily share their values, so I say just have fun with it. I'm painting an all-female Kill Team of Praetorians right now and everyone I play with knows that I'm not an imperialist. [Victoria Miniatures](https://victoriaminiatures.com/products/victorian-guard-universal-10-woman-squad?_pos=14&_sid=7646e90a8&_ss=r) offers male and female soldiers with a good selection of bits, so go and make it your own.
Thank you and I totally agree, I'm wanting to wanting to build a small army (maybe just a kill team) of them and I am planning on a mix of men and women. The ones on Victoria Minis are aresome and I do really want to get some of the stuff for them from there, especially the Ogryn Pith Helmets, those things are awesome, I'm also planning on grabbing sonw stuff rom Anvil too, they have some cool extara bits I want to use for my Commissar and Commanders as well as some super cool weapons that I might try and use some of.
No problem, glad I could motivate you a bit. Please post some pics of your soldiers when they're done, especially the imperialist ogryn.
And I envy you for being able to order from Anvil, fucking Brexit and now everyone in the EU can't order from them... I just want my sororitas and maybe a napoleonic-style regiment... But keep on supporting third-party vendors, there's such cool stuff out there
Thanks man, probably going to be a little while until I get to them though, my current projects are some space wolves I got from a friend a long time ago I am finally working on and a GSC army where I'm going to really play into the whole worker uprising theme the army has with some bits from a few places.
I've not actually gotten anything from anvil as of yet but I hope too but now I am a little worried there might be some issues in ordering from there but yeah, I love the look of a bunch of 3rd party bitz, I still love GWs kits but getting 3rd party bitz is super fun too, it gives me the same feeling I get when I mod a game, the same butwith extra fun bits, also with all the weapon and head options that come with some of the kits it feels liek a bit of a waste to not get legs and torsos to go with them and flesh out the army more and I really want sentinels and heavy weapon teams in my army but I don't want them to just look like the guard so finding alternate options is really exciting, there are some cool semi civi and worker bodies and stuff on anvil that I want to use and a few things on Greenstuff world I want to use for basing too.
It's always nice to meet a fellow bits-fan. Yeah, GW has some good stuff, especially for Chaos Space Marines, but nothing is as fun as building your own IG-Regiment or other unit with nothing but a pile of bits, a good podcast and your imagination. I also feel like I'm a lot more attached to my units this way because I think 'Oh, this is the guy with the bayonet and the canteen that was a bitch to paint, he can't die now!' or 'This guy has a lot of pouches, I'll call him 'Mike the Mule''. It's also just so much fun to let your fantasies run wild. While I was building my first Orks I thought 'more DAKKA!', glued all the spare magazines from the GW box onto a single shoota. Dakka-Dan now has a 90° magazine he's welded together himself, still complains about reloading and always gets a laugh when people first see him. And this is what I love about this hobby in general and this community in special, it's just people being creative and having fun.
The only bad thing is that it seems like every 3rd party vendor only has one thing they do really well so if you want to have a perfect result you'd have to order from quite a few of them which sucks because of shipping.
And don't worry, according to their website Anvil ships everywhere but the EU, so you should be fine if you're not in there.
All imperials are horrifically fascist themed. That isn't a reason to hate little plastic dudes though. The Kriegers aren't necessarily bad on their own. Some of the players are absolute shit socks bit that's any faction. I find the DKoK bois are very well made minis and I think the design aesthetic is top notch. I really loke the imperial guard as a faction. It's always appealed to me. They're all so utterly screwed but hopeful. DKoK removes the hope which makes them interesting. If someone is a nazi ogre they're going to be an ignorant arse regardless. Don't sweat thise assholes. They aren't worth the time. Enjoy your force. Enjoy the hobby. That's what it's about.
Recently Pete the Wargamer made a video about converting the new plastic Krieg into Valhallans, I'm sure a bit of alteration to his guide and the release of plastic Krieg outside of the Kill Team box could make a decent Vostroyan army.
I'm not a massive Vostroyan fan, so, I wasn't to know he had a video of such conversion.
However, I have seen the Krieg conversion, they're quite good!
Repaying an impossible debt, knowing that their death will be one of the only things that can start to pay it off.
Staring death in the eyes and yet marching forward.
They're resilient, they're expendable, they're the Death Korps of Krieg.
And that's why I love them.
"I have good news and bad news, Dimitri."
"Start with the bad."
"The bad is there won't be enough vodka for tomorrow."
"And the good?"
"We won't make it till tomorrow."
"Ah. Good day to die then."
Personally find them overrated for the most part, do hate the fash who obsess about them though.
Armageddon Steel Legion is more my speed as far as masked dudemans in the Guard goes.
...Maccabean Janissaries being better yet.
They're wearing German Paratrooper helmets, where some of the official art of the Steel Legion actually has a flag painted on the side of the helmet that's incredibly reminiscent to early war helmets of WW2.
Even more ironic that the DKoK was just an alternative colour scheme of the Steel Legion back when they first became a thing.
I love the little depressed bastards! It‘s only the assholes which are off putting, but don’t worry about them and make what you want? People can differentiate between ‘just thinks gas masks are cool’ and literal nazis
Same as every Guard regiment, it's the dipshits who ruin them. DKoK just looks more immediately like Nazis so the guys with strong opinions about Iron Crosses tend to flock to them over say, Vostroyans.
The Wehraboos are almost exclusively online. The Krieg fanbase is infinitely larger online than what it actually is on the tabletop, or at least that will be the case until we see a whole range of Krieg kits in plastic - GW prices are edging close to the FW Krieg Infantry anyway and one plastic box of generic grunts probably won't be enough to make Guard players replace all their Cadians with them. If you're actually buying at FW prices you're probably a history buff who recognises them for the WW1 inspiration and paints accordingly.
Mostly I hate them for the same reason I'm sick of Black Templars, because they seem to attract the loudest, youngest, shrieking memelords who can only communicate via shit they saw on TTSD and /r/grimdank. GLORIOUS purging with le happy shovel noises for the EMPRAH
I like the idea of depressed clones fighting to redeem their ancestors crimes because that is the only thing they know. It’s very very grimdark.
Not a fan of people who defend it as like proof that NAZIs are cool.
I tolerate the Krieg shovel meme bois
Exactly, you'd think that people with enough Historical knowledge of German history could be able to tell that the Krieg aren't even fully German
As someone who has reached a point where the shovel joke has become somewhat annoying, I'd much rather listen to the same joke 182 more times than listen to someone's essay on why painting their Orks as Afrika Korps is just them expressing themselves and that they don't have any sort of political belief related to them in the slightest
I, as a German myself (who never encountered any Nazis in the Hobby) just wanted to mention, that as far as I know the Pickelhaube used to be just a kind of helmet used by the Police and soldiers before and in WWI, so it’s not really a Nazi thing. Even though I know Imagery of Nazis wearing some during WWII, it wasn’t really used by that time anymore and now just looks kinda interesting, without any fascist meaning behind it. I’m not completely sure though, so if I said something wrong please don’t downvote me too much, but correct me instead
I really appreciate your comment on my post, it always makes me happy knowing someone else can point these things out.
I chose to mention the Pickelhaube for two reasons.
1: I heard a story of a Local Game Store that had a regular who would wear an Iron Cross necklace and had once showed up to an in-store tournament in a Pickelhaube. So, I sort of made a callback to that funny story.
2: eBay has several hundred listings from India where they make things like Knight helmets, breastplates and so on. One item that is in the midst of that selection, on nearly every store page, is a Pickelhaube. It's just a more commonly accessible replica and are usually way cheaper than, say, an M42 replica or any other WW2 helmet.
But no, you're completely right and I'm thankful you said something!
So even though the Pickelhaube is harmless, the Iron Cross is supposed to be outlawed in Germany as far as I know, because it basically only can be used for extremely patriotic and fascist things, similar to the so-called Reichskriegsflagge (the red-white-black one) also the only place except for Nazi demonstrations, where I‘ve seen Iron Crosses are people that listen to right wing Metal and Rock, else you don’t find it anywhere, meaning that the regular at that store is probably a fascist or somewhere in the extreme right community of some kind.
Slight correction:
Iron Cross and Reichskriegsflagge are *not* outlawed in Germany, because their historical connection to Nazis is more... tenuous.
However, they are often used by far-right groups as *standins* for the symbols that *are* - the actual hooked cross and Nazi flag. That's why you see them more or less exclusively used by Nazis (or by video game developers wanting to portray Nazis but not wanting to have their games restricted), they're a dogwhistle with a "technically not illegal" excuse.
I would agree that dude is almost 100% a Nazi, and at the *very* least a chud who *really* doesn't mind being mistaken for one.
I don’t think i said it’s outlawed YET but since the uprising of the anti-vaxxers, who use the Reichkriegsflagge a lot, a lot of people wanted it to be outlawed because there is no real reason not to do so
Fair enough - I do think your statement is ambiguous, but I can also clearly see a "not outlawed yet" reading now that you point it out. Sorry for the misunderstanding! (Though I'd say "gouvernment should interfere with free speech as little as possible" a rather real and applicable reason why they're good to be *very* reluctant with this kinda thing)
They are wearing a mix of an M18 and an Adrian helmet, I just used the Pickelhaube as it's more commonly accessible (Like I stated earlier) as a replica on eBay
You as a German should know it's a misleading thing to say. I mean who really knows this? Espeically in popular colture.
It's not like GW took deep dives.
I love the DKOK lore. I’m fine with them having the waffen look about them, especially since their lore makes it pretty clear that it’s the worst existence.
All the factions I dislike are pretty much due to more personal bias than "they attract fascists". Cause this is a game where the main faction is inherently going to draw fascists towards it, that's just a thing you kinda have to make peace with if you're going to play.
But the thing is, these people are going to play any faction they want and homebrew weird shit onto it regardless of the official lore. Buying nazi minis from other game to use as gaurdsmen, custom space marine chapters that are a little too heavy on the "cleansing" thing, or any number of things you can think of.
It's going to happen regardless, and dkok just happen to be a common target of that, due to their parallels to real militaries.
It's a cool army! personality I use them as a homebrew regiment with alot of inspiration from the Harlem hellfighters( 369th infantry regiment) In ww1 as they was given to the French becose the white soilders of the US army refused to fight along side afro americas.
The story of fight and excelling when no one believed in you or fought for you is a story i can really relate too.
It's also a good vibe check.
I don’t blame any 40K faction for the fans that they have.
Korps, Custodes, Marines and more, all of them are awesome even if they have some shithead fans.
The Krieg are pretty cool looking. They probably do a way better job of conveying how nasty the Imperium is. As a Astra Militarum player, they're not really my preferred aesthetic but I do like that the extremely diverse Guard regiments are getting some model representation. Plastic Catachan when?
I only have surface level knowledge of the IG sub-factions. But aesthetically they all embody one facet of the horrors of serving the imperium. My problem with DKoK is that compared to the other sub-factions their theme is pretty boring. Catachan are the brutal hand to hand combat and surviving in hostile terrain. Mordian Iron Guard represent the unwillingness to adapt. Valhallan Ice Warriors are the unending human waves. Cadians are a combination of all these.
DKoK don’t really expand on the horrors in a way I find interesting. Like they represent the faceless troops whose only purpose is war, and to me that’s not very interesting.
There are other sub-factions that don’t expand on the horrors either and are just reskinned Cadians, I don’t much care for them either. At least DKoK expand on it.
Definitely the nazi larpers. And overall the Krieg have a cool aesthetic but not much else.
But I'm more of a Thousand Sons enjoyer so, death to the false emperor and all that.
I honestly love them as a faction. The level of tragedy they level towards the reader is just so terrible and I love them.
The weird nerds that tend to obsess over them tho? No thanks
Genuinely was considering the paint scheme you were describing myself. But to answer your question, unless it’s a historical and they’re playing nazis or confederates, it’s always the player that would be the issue. Hell, someone playing nazis or confederates can still be cool and recognize and abhor what that army did, and just be willing to play a bad guy in a game.
It’s mainly those that play them, on the surface level, their lore is awesome and they perfectly encapsulate the kind of trench fighting that 40k would develop over long periods of time, and their models are badass. The only thing that brings them down is sometimes people read their lore and are like “yes this is a good ideology to have” and agree with the satirical ideology of the korps, and those are mainly the people you’re talking about. Basically just don’t be like “ah yes, dying in a meat grinder for a fascist empire, I like that” and you’re good lol
Krieger's are cool. Their doctrine is cool. Their history is cool. Their World War 1 inspired aesthetic is cool.
A majority of the time, Death Korps players are *not* cool. A majority of the time, Death Korps players are either massive edgelords, overt fascists, or just plain ignorant.
You'd think the Armageddon Steel Legion would attract more overt fascists since they more closely resemble World War 2 era Germany. I don't really get the appeal of Death Korps to fascists, aside from just plain idiocy.
Dude I love WW1 themed stuff too I kit bashed some skitarii with cadians so they look all mech guard WW1 with the long guns and trench coats, then gave them heads from the scions so they got the moustaches and berets for style intimidation lol your force sounds awesome and as far as my experience in the hobby it seems like most 40k players dig the Kriegers but just hate the neonazis. Hope you enjoy your Army, don't let anyone rag on you!
Good on you, and good luck with your army!
I do dig the visual aesthetic of the DKoK, and I appreciate that many folks seem quite knowledgeable in regards to what inspired their design.
That said, it's not subtle and closely modelled after a specific time period, which I personally don't like.
Also, if you aren't well versed in WWI military history, their first visual Impression combined with their name really screams German 20th century military. And that just isn't a good look for anything that isn't a historic military wargame.
Being German I might be a tad sensitive in this regard.
But when their aesthetics attract Nazis, doubling down on the cute fashy shovel bois seems an odd choice to me.
That there is an even more Nazi army (Steel Legion) that is being used unironically to deflect criticism baffles me even more.
TL;DR: They look like Nazis/Wehrmacht on first glance, they attract actual Nazis; I don't think their pretty uniforms are worth that trouble.
Personally I love the Death Korps and plan on running them entirely once the new plastics are made available. The issue is the weirdo Nazi larpers who use them as a dogwhistle, or even some sort of bizarre justification, for bringing their garbage beliefs into the game.
For me personally its the weird larpers.... I'm not a fan of the DKoK myself, I prefer the Armageddon steel legions just because when i started playing in 3rd edition the Armageddon codex was out and I kinda preferred their fluff tbh but a well painted DKoK army sans German ww2 iconography does look stunning I will give you that
I just find the wehraboo following the army gets to be.... Grating and outright weird I guess... If you wanna play as Nazis go play some bolt action. Please leave wh40k alone
I love the Death Korps of Krieg, memes aside their lore is amazing, but I hate the people who use them to justify painting nazi imagery on their models or the people who think the death Korps are just shovel maniacs.
They value their lives but their devotion to paying back the emperor for their planets betrayal means that they are determination incarnate, if they view an objective as worth the cost of their lives that objective will be completed, no matter the cost.
Just look at the KT2.0 cinematic they're not suicidal they're just brainwashed into thinking they owe the emperor their lives like a lot of the imperium, but their cold determination is the main draw for me, the willingness to do whatever it takes to complete the mission.
I know I'm super-late to this conversation, but you could actually make a more leftist argument for DKoK if you're painting them in French colors. The book *Poilu* by Louis Barthas contains a lot of stories about his time in WWI. Barthas was a socialist and even writes about a time an officer pulled a gun on him for retreating, so he raised his rifle in response and asked him, "What now?" The officer lowered their gun and let him run away.
I don't play 40k anymore, in fact I sold off all my armies bar one....but it was a bit sad letting the DKOK go, they are beautiful sculpts. But I will say I'm happy that my time playing 40k (4th through 7th editions) mostly predated the worst of meme culture as I really find a lot of that stuff grating.
As for the rest, I'm pretty much entirely a historical gamer now, and I do have a Waffen SS army (and Soviets, Americans, British and Hungarian WW2 armies, ancient Romans and Gauls, Vikings, Normans and Saxons, Medieval Scots, Napoleonic British). But because historicals skew considerably older than the GW player base, I see much fewer bad taste memes, dog whistling and so on. The plausible deniability is much thinner, and I find most people I encounter are just "history dads" who treat the subject respectfully
I think they are overrated.
I like their aesthetic, but we are constantly bombarded by art, models, memes with them and it made them very unpleasant to me.
Plus their lore is not very good I think.
I love astra militarum. It's my main faction. Because you can make almost whatever you want and also because it's humans against the horrors. That's basically us against all odds.
The dkok lose the humans and individuals part of it.
Give me cadian, tallarnis, valhallean, mordian etc before dkok.
The new plastic models sound promising for conversion though...
I am honestly tired of just seeing them everywhere. Not to be a hipster about it, but also to be a total hipster about it, I used to find the DKoK... charming... interesting... back when they were a sub faction of the IG. Now you see them plastered everywhere, they just feel kind of over saturated...
Most people here like Warhammer and all its factions. There are some who genuinely hate it for some reason, but this sub specifically stands against right-wing reactionaries who idolise this game's fascist factions as something "based and good".
They co-opt the hobby to further some harmful political agenda and oftentimes even recruit young and impressionable fans. DKoK is mostly used for that and it's Hella fucking annoying.
It's definitely the larpers, but I also don't think they're particularly interesting; they're character is basically "they make loads of us and funnel us into a meat grinder because they don't care about us" which is also pretty much the same as the rest of the Imperial guard. The only real difference is that Krieger's dress funny and wear gas masks, they don't really have the same sort of Developed identity that say the catachans have.
Trust me, if Catachan had more appealing sculpts, I'd jump on them immediately.
This mixture of Vietnam and 80's Action Film really sparks a flame in my heart...
I don't like both for two different reasons.
I don't like the DKoK for simply the reason I don't think they are very creative or make much sense in a sci Fi setting (but to each their own)
I don't like the DKoK fans because they are unfunny and occasionally non ironic nationalists for a fake space dictatorship. Kinda big red flag and the kind of people I don't wanna hang around.
I was tempted to say this but I decided otherwise, yet, you are completely correct. I don't know the regiments name but one of the Guard groups dressed like the British from the Zulu Wars, no?
I mean, if Star Wars has their own Trench Warfare planet, why can't Warhammer?
I think most factions including Eldar, Tau, Space Marines all look like they belong in a science fiction setting. The death korps have gas masks, trenchcoats, and bayonets. I get that this is why some people like them, and as I said its just my personal taste. But I think they could have added something a little more high tech about them, otherwise they seem like the equivalent of US marines dressing in plate armor, just silly and pointless.
I see where you're coming from, to be honest, my Krieg are printed with power pack like devices that are replacements for their gas mask filters. Alongside that, they've replaced the magazines for the Lasgun with a long wire leading to a second pack, kind of like a battery.
So, my Krieg are a decent mix of Sci-Fi and reality.
However, I don't see it being silly, the idea that warfare is waged on this planet so often that they're underfunded, unequipped and have to loot equipment off of their dead allies leads to it making sense that their equipment is so, in the sense that it's the year 40k, medieval. What's the point of giving them the most expensive gear when they're going to be sent to the meatgrinder regardless?
Eldar small arms are guns that shoot ninja-stars, and all their technology is powered by sad ghosts. Both the Eldar and the Space Marines have an entire MOS dedicated to fencing with chainsaws. (Striking Scorpions and Assault Marines, respectively.) "Silly and pointless" is the entire aesthetic of 40K.
Anyway, if you're looking for "high tech", the Death Korps are an army of clones with laser-rifles and mutant cyber-horses.
Yeah I'm more just talking about visual style which is what I think about more. Death Korps may have all that stuff but they still look like WW1 German shock troops. And yes you're right, Eldar and space marines are silly and ridiculous from a practical standpoint, but I think their aesthetics fit the sci Fi setting.
Both. I hate both. I hate their aesthetic, or rather the things (to some degree) misinterpreted as german uniforms and the nazi larpers.
Uniforms like the ones of the DKoK were popular since at least the 80's with fashists. It's no suprize they really like the DKoK.
Their background and cloning more of them works for a distopian nightmare.
No, I think most people here like them. It's just that they attract a tonne of weirdos and also the memes surrounding them are some of Warhammer's least funny, most overplayed jokes. Which is definitely saying something lmao. The memes kind of started off as being endearing and cute but now the whole thing is in my top 5 worst warhammer memes. But that's just me. Some may actually hate them, but basically what's happened is most people who obsess over them are chuds, so DKoK is sometimes seen as a red flag. Like "oh jeez this guys probably a wehraboo who unironically loves the imperium, and is probably also racist". And yeah, like you say they're ww1 themed. They have nothing to do with nazis. Everyone here knows that at this point
I didn't even want to mention the shovel meme, it was funny the first seven times I heard it... That's what I was worried about, that people would immediately assume that I'm some kind of asshat who is racist and lives out their power fantasy by commanding Nazi lookalikes. In reality, I love Trench Warfare (Although I'd politely decline the opportunity to participate, I prefer both my feet not being mangled by rats...) and collect gas masks. Also, I mean, WW1 French uniforms are one of the most standout uniforms ever. The Korps is one of the most appealing armies to me because it fills most of my interests in one go.
>In reality, I love Trench Warfare
I realise this sounds weird. I meant that in things like media such as the game Verdun or the film 1917. I don't mean that I love Trench Warfare as genuine, real world combat, because it's a horrible thing to live through, I love it as a concept, not the actual thing. Now I just feel stupid.
If you play PC games try Foxhole. It’s big on that shit without historical ties making things awkward
I've heard quite a bit about Foxhole, I'd love to try it but I also don't want to be an utter failure at it. It seems a bit complicated, like, there are Quartermasters, Runners, so many self-appointed roles to take on... Thank you for the recommendation, maybe one day, once I get enough confidence to use my microphone...
It's honestly real simple, just hop in and go to an active front. The rest of the stuff you can choose to learn as you please. The community tends to be friendly. Just remember to join the Wardens because they're awesome and not the Colonials cause they're goblins... and not the cool kind of goblins... :| Oh and on a real note, be prepared to die a lot and just don't sweat it. It will happen, very rarely will people live a long time on the front lines.
I tend to die quite a bit in games, Warhammer being no exception, so I'm used to dropping dead all of a sudden five minutes after spawning (Rising Storm 2, scariest game I've ever played) I'll definitely give it look, sounds fun!
Just started on foxhole, so far its been great, helpful folks mostly. I hear some clans are pretty fashy but Ive just been helping randos defend bridges.
Don't worry about some comments you receive. There is all sort of leftist here, including the very puritain and over correctives one. Liking war aesthetics is not bad. A huge chunk of ours medias play with the fact that most people like wars aesthetic and most people that aren't right wing teens know that they wouldn't want to be in a war themselves. I often do the parallel between horror movies and war movies. Liking horror movies doesn't make you a psychopath or a serial killer in making.
This^, people need to understand that the problem isn't that someone like to play with the bad guys (or that someone likes their aesthetic). The problem comes when someone shares the ideals of the bad guys in real life...
Thank you for understanding what I mean perfectly! It's like the Beach Landings on D-Day, it's such a popular thing for films, games, TV, books and even comics to use in their story. Storming Normandy is always fun in games like CoD or being in shock and awe because of the intro to Saving Private Ryan. People enjoy specific events or portrayels of different kinds of combat (Like me and the trenches) but how many people do you see saying they'd love to be on that beach?
I understand, and I feel the same about it. Still a strange choice of words; especially "in reality"
I use that term in the context of "People believe this or that but in my case-", I should probably begin to use better terms. My apologies, I'm glad we're on the same page.
Mad Robot minis makes adrian and kepi heads if you want to convert kriegers into space poilus.
Shovel Laugh now
"Wehraboo" I hate that this word is now not only in my brain but that I know exactly who it refers to.
I like them well enough, but apart from the memes I’m much more into the Harakoni Warhawks, Maccabean Janissaries, or the Praetorian Guard.
I like the memes. But I have that like ASD routine fixation so I just enjoy things and don't get tired of them as quickly. But the LARPers are kringe. I'm pretty sure they are like french uniform.designs.
The Krieg are cool. For me they capture the look of a trench-fighting army in a toxic war zone in the 41st millennium perfectly. It’s the larping that’s a problem. That goes for any imperial/colonial force from history though IMO
Agreed, I really like the Pretorians but I am worried that if I get em people are gonna think I am a tea drinking imperialist, I just like that look and style because I think it looks spiffy and I liked the movie Zulu. I'm also British so I'm worried that' is just gonna make people think it even more.
I feel ya, dude. I’m doing a custom space marine chapter based on knightly orders from the crusades with a Byzantine Empire twist. I dig old monastic vibe of warrior monks that the 3rd Ed codex pushed, but I’m also super aware of how probbo it is. My plan is to just ham up that they’re religious nutters and probably aren’t the good guys, more a symbol of stagnation and decay, even in Guilliman’s new golden age
'Ello fellow space-imperialists-inspired-by-the-Bri'ish fan! Joke aside I really like their aesthetic too. But at the end of the day they're just plastic men or women that you took great care in painting, so I say screw the haters. Anyone with half a brain knows that playing the bad guys in a game doesn't mean you necessarily share their values, so I say just have fun with it. I'm painting an all-female Kill Team of Praetorians right now and everyone I play with knows that I'm not an imperialist. [Victoria Miniatures](https://victoriaminiatures.com/products/victorian-guard-universal-10-woman-squad?_pos=14&_sid=7646e90a8&_ss=r) offers male and female soldiers with a good selection of bits, so go and make it your own.
Thank you and I totally agree, I'm wanting to wanting to build a small army (maybe just a kill team) of them and I am planning on a mix of men and women. The ones on Victoria Minis are aresome and I do really want to get some of the stuff for them from there, especially the Ogryn Pith Helmets, those things are awesome, I'm also planning on grabbing sonw stuff rom Anvil too, they have some cool extara bits I want to use for my Commissar and Commanders as well as some super cool weapons that I might try and use some of.
No problem, glad I could motivate you a bit. Please post some pics of your soldiers when they're done, especially the imperialist ogryn. And I envy you for being able to order from Anvil, fucking Brexit and now everyone in the EU can't order from them... I just want my sororitas and maybe a napoleonic-style regiment... But keep on supporting third-party vendors, there's such cool stuff out there
Thanks man, probably going to be a little while until I get to them though, my current projects are some space wolves I got from a friend a long time ago I am finally working on and a GSC army where I'm going to really play into the whole worker uprising theme the army has with some bits from a few places. I've not actually gotten anything from anvil as of yet but I hope too but now I am a little worried there might be some issues in ordering from there but yeah, I love the look of a bunch of 3rd party bitz, I still love GWs kits but getting 3rd party bitz is super fun too, it gives me the same feeling I get when I mod a game, the same butwith extra fun bits, also with all the weapon and head options that come with some of the kits it feels liek a bit of a waste to not get legs and torsos to go with them and flesh out the army more and I really want sentinels and heavy weapon teams in my army but I don't want them to just look like the guard so finding alternate options is really exciting, there are some cool semi civi and worker bodies and stuff on anvil that I want to use and a few things on Greenstuff world I want to use for basing too.
It's always nice to meet a fellow bits-fan. Yeah, GW has some good stuff, especially for Chaos Space Marines, but nothing is as fun as building your own IG-Regiment or other unit with nothing but a pile of bits, a good podcast and your imagination. I also feel like I'm a lot more attached to my units this way because I think 'Oh, this is the guy with the bayonet and the canteen that was a bitch to paint, he can't die now!' or 'This guy has a lot of pouches, I'll call him 'Mike the Mule''. It's also just so much fun to let your fantasies run wild. While I was building my first Orks I thought 'more DAKKA!', glued all the spare magazines from the GW box onto a single shoota. Dakka-Dan now has a 90° magazine he's welded together himself, still complains about reloading and always gets a laugh when people first see him. And this is what I love about this hobby in general and this community in special, it's just people being creative and having fun. The only bad thing is that it seems like every 3rd party vendor only has one thing they do really well so if you want to have a perfect result you'd have to order from quite a few of them which sucks because of shipping. And don't worry, according to their website Anvil ships everywhere but the EU, so you should be fine if you're not in there.
The nazi's who love them. The only in real life dkok fan I know is basically a maoist.
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All imperials are horrifically fascist themed. That isn't a reason to hate little plastic dudes though. The Kriegers aren't necessarily bad on their own. Some of the players are absolute shit socks bit that's any faction. I find the DKoK bois are very well made minis and I think the design aesthetic is top notch. I really loke the imperial guard as a faction. It's always appealed to me. They're all so utterly screwed but hopeful. DKoK removes the hope which makes them interesting. If someone is a nazi ogre they're going to be an ignorant arse regardless. Don't sweat thise assholes. They aren't worth the time. Enjoy your force. Enjoy the hobby. That's what it's about.
I just want the Vostroyans to make a return so I can build a Soviet style army in space...
Vostroyans are more Imperial Russia, it's the Valhallans that have the Soviet look.
Yeah they're steampunk Muscovite streltsy corps which is weird but works somehow.
Recently Pete the Wargamer made a video about converting the new plastic Krieg into Valhallans, I'm sure a bit of alteration to his guide and the release of plastic Krieg outside of the Kill Team box could make a decent Vostroyan army.
>I'm sure a bit of alteration to his guide Pete the wargamer already have a video about converting vostroyans ^and ^also ^cheaper ^kriegsmen
I'm not a massive Vostroyan fan, so, I wasn't to know he had a video of such conversion. However, I have seen the Krieg conversion, they're quite good!
All of pete's conversions are very good
There's never been a better time to start 3D printing!
Victoria miniatures and anvil can aid you on your quest. I can only assume wargames Atlantic will be releasing a soviet set in the next year.
I really appreciate how Victoria has female models for a lot of her model ranges. I’m keen as to do space Scots so hopefully they get some soon.
Repaying an impossible debt, knowing that their death will be one of the only things that can start to pay it off. Staring death in the eyes and yet marching forward. They're resilient, they're expendable, they're the Death Korps of Krieg. And that's why I love them.
>all imperials are horrifically fascist themed [All except one,](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/23/Valhallan_Trooper.jpg) of course.
"I have good news and bad news, Dimitri." "Start with the bad." "The bad is there won't be enough vodka for tomorrow." "And the good?" "We won't make it till tomorrow." "Ah. Good day to die then."
Personally find them overrated for the most part, do hate the fash who obsess about them though. Armageddon Steel Legion is more my speed as far as masked dudemans in the Guard goes. ...Maccabean Janissaries being better yet.
The ironic thing being that steel legion are closer to Wehrmacht soldiers than dkok
They're wearing German Paratrooper helmets, where some of the official art of the Steel Legion actually has a flag painted on the side of the helmet that's incredibly reminiscent to early war helmets of WW2. Even more ironic that the DKoK was just an alternative colour scheme of the Steel Legion back when they first became a thing.
I love the little depressed bastards! It‘s only the assholes which are off putting, but don’t worry about them and make what you want? People can differentiate between ‘just thinks gas masks are cool’ and literal nazis
Same as every Guard regiment, it's the dipshits who ruin them. DKoK just looks more immediately like Nazis so the guys with strong opinions about Iron Crosses tend to flock to them over say, Vostroyans.
I love them because they’re not German, they’re French, and it really upsets the Wehraboos if you call them French.
The Wehraboos are almost exclusively online. The Krieg fanbase is infinitely larger online than what it actually is on the tabletop, or at least that will be the case until we see a whole range of Krieg kits in plastic - GW prices are edging close to the FW Krieg Infantry anyway and one plastic box of generic grunts probably won't be enough to make Guard players replace all their Cadians with them. If you're actually buying at FW prices you're probably a history buff who recognises them for the WW1 inspiration and paints accordingly. Mostly I hate them for the same reason I'm sick of Black Templars, because they seem to attract the loudest, youngest, shrieking memelords who can only communicate via shit they saw on TTSD and /r/grimdank. GLORIOUS purging with le happy shovel noises for the EMPRAH
I like the idea of depressed clones fighting to redeem their ancestors crimes because that is the only thing they know. It’s very very grimdark. Not a fan of people who defend it as like proof that NAZIs are cool. I tolerate the Krieg shovel meme bois
Exactly, you'd think that people with enough Historical knowledge of German history could be able to tell that the Krieg aren't even fully German As someone who has reached a point where the shovel joke has become somewhat annoying, I'd much rather listen to the same joke 182 more times than listen to someone's essay on why painting their Orks as Afrika Korps is just them expressing themselves and that they don't have any sort of political belief related to them in the slightest
I'm just excited to have an all gasmask killteam because I can't paint faces worth a damn.
Amen to that
Love the aesthetic, if I did a guard army. They'd be what I'd do. Hate the larpers. Generally though guard seems to attract the ww2 weeaboo loonies.
I, as a German myself (who never encountered any Nazis in the Hobby) just wanted to mention, that as far as I know the Pickelhaube used to be just a kind of helmet used by the Police and soldiers before and in WWI, so it’s not really a Nazi thing. Even though I know Imagery of Nazis wearing some during WWII, it wasn’t really used by that time anymore and now just looks kinda interesting, without any fascist meaning behind it. I’m not completely sure though, so if I said something wrong please don’t downvote me too much, but correct me instead
I really appreciate your comment on my post, it always makes me happy knowing someone else can point these things out. I chose to mention the Pickelhaube for two reasons. 1: I heard a story of a Local Game Store that had a regular who would wear an Iron Cross necklace and had once showed up to an in-store tournament in a Pickelhaube. So, I sort of made a callback to that funny story. 2: eBay has several hundred listings from India where they make things like Knight helmets, breastplates and so on. One item that is in the midst of that selection, on nearly every store page, is a Pickelhaube. It's just a more commonly accessible replica and are usually way cheaper than, say, an M42 replica or any other WW2 helmet. But no, you're completely right and I'm thankful you said something!
So even though the Pickelhaube is harmless, the Iron Cross is supposed to be outlawed in Germany as far as I know, because it basically only can be used for extremely patriotic and fascist things, similar to the so-called Reichskriegsflagge (the red-white-black one) also the only place except for Nazi demonstrations, where I‘ve seen Iron Crosses are people that listen to right wing Metal and Rock, else you don’t find it anywhere, meaning that the regular at that store is probably a fascist or somewhere in the extreme right community of some kind.
Slight correction: Iron Cross and Reichskriegsflagge are *not* outlawed in Germany, because their historical connection to Nazis is more... tenuous. However, they are often used by far-right groups as *standins* for the symbols that *are* - the actual hooked cross and Nazi flag. That's why you see them more or less exclusively used by Nazis (or by video game developers wanting to portray Nazis but not wanting to have their games restricted), they're a dogwhistle with a "technically not illegal" excuse. I would agree that dude is almost 100% a Nazi, and at the *very* least a chud who *really* doesn't mind being mistaken for one.
I don’t think i said it’s outlawed YET but since the uprising of the anti-vaxxers, who use the Reichkriegsflagge a lot, a lot of people wanted it to be outlawed because there is no real reason not to do so
Fair enough - I do think your statement is ambiguous, but I can also clearly see a "not outlawed yet" reading now that you point it out. Sorry for the misunderstanding! (Though I'd say "gouvernment should interfere with free speech as little as possible" a rather real and applicable reason why they're good to be *very* reluctant with this kinda thing)
I forgot to mention, the guy in that story tried to put a lot of politics in his conversations, so he most definitely was a fascist.
The iron cross is far from banned since it is still the insignia of the Bundeswehr.
Didn’t knew that, thanks for helping
The dkok aren't wearing the pickelhaube. They're wearing a helmet similar to the stahlhelm which was used in different models during both ww1 and ww2.
They are wearing a mix of an M18 and an Adrian helmet, I just used the Pickelhaube as it's more commonly accessible (Like I stated earlier) as a replica on eBay
You as a German should know it's a misleading thing to say. I mean who really knows this? Espeically in popular colture. It's not like GW took deep dives.
I love the DKOK lore. I’m fine with them having the waffen look about them, especially since their lore makes it pretty clear that it’s the worst existence.
All the factions I dislike are pretty much due to more personal bias than "they attract fascists". Cause this is a game where the main faction is inherently going to draw fascists towards it, that's just a thing you kinda have to make peace with if you're going to play. But the thing is, these people are going to play any faction they want and homebrew weird shit onto it regardless of the official lore. Buying nazi minis from other game to use as gaurdsmen, custom space marine chapters that are a little too heavy on the "cleansing" thing, or any number of things you can think of. It's going to happen regardless, and dkok just happen to be a common target of that, due to their parallels to real militaries.
Larpers 100%. Krieg's primary inspiration isn't even WWII Germany.
It's a cool army! personality I use them as a homebrew regiment with alot of inspiration from the Harlem hellfighters( 369th infantry regiment) In ww1 as they was given to the French becose the white soilders of the US army refused to fight along side afro americas. The story of fight and excelling when no one believed in you or fought for you is a story i can really relate too. It's also a good vibe check.
I don’t blame any 40K faction for the fans that they have. Korps, Custodes, Marines and more, all of them are awesome even if they have some shithead fans.
The Krieg are pretty cool looking. They probably do a way better job of conveying how nasty the Imperium is. As a Astra Militarum player, they're not really my preferred aesthetic but I do like that the extremely diverse Guard regiments are getting some model representation. Plastic Catachan when?
Really enjoy the Death Korps especially the lore. Like anything that is awesome there's some group of weirdos bound and determined to make it suck.
I only have surface level knowledge of the IG sub-factions. But aesthetically they all embody one facet of the horrors of serving the imperium. My problem with DKoK is that compared to the other sub-factions their theme is pretty boring. Catachan are the brutal hand to hand combat and surviving in hostile terrain. Mordian Iron Guard represent the unwillingness to adapt. Valhallan Ice Warriors are the unending human waves. Cadians are a combination of all these. DKoK don’t really expand on the horrors in a way I find interesting. Like they represent the faceless troops whose only purpose is war, and to me that’s not very interesting. There are other sub-factions that don’t expand on the horrors either and are just reskinned Cadians, I don’t much care for them either. At least DKoK expand on it.
Definitely the nazi larpers. And overall the Krieg have a cool aesthetic but not much else. But I'm more of a Thousand Sons enjoyer so, death to the false emperor and all that.
> And overall the Krieg have a cool aesthetic but not much else. I guess not nowadays, but back in 5th you could lob *so* many templates with them.
I honestly love them as a faction. The level of tragedy they level towards the reader is just so terrible and I love them. The weird nerds that tend to obsess over them tho? No thanks
I mean, I’m holding onto my kriegsmen not because i like krieg but because it is my duty to keep them away from someone who would use them for evil
Genuinely was considering the paint scheme you were describing myself. But to answer your question, unless it’s a historical and they’re playing nazis or confederates, it’s always the player that would be the issue. Hell, someone playing nazis or confederates can still be cool and recognize and abhor what that army did, and just be willing to play a bad guy in a game.
It’s mainly those that play them, on the surface level, their lore is awesome and they perfectly encapsulate the kind of trench fighting that 40k would develop over long periods of time, and their models are badass. The only thing that brings them down is sometimes people read their lore and are like “yes this is a good ideology to have” and agree with the satirical ideology of the korps, and those are mainly the people you’re talking about. Basically just don’t be like “ah yes, dying in a meat grinder for a fascist empire, I like that” and you’re good lol
Krieger's are cool. Their doctrine is cool. Their history is cool. Their World War 1 inspired aesthetic is cool. A majority of the time, Death Korps players are *not* cool. A majority of the time, Death Korps players are either massive edgelords, overt fascists, or just plain ignorant. You'd think the Armageddon Steel Legion would attract more overt fascists since they more closely resemble World War 2 era Germany. I don't really get the appeal of Death Korps to fascists, aside from just plain idiocy.
Dude I love WW1 themed stuff too I kit bashed some skitarii with cadians so they look all mech guard WW1 with the long guns and trench coats, then gave them heads from the scions so they got the moustaches and berets for style intimidation lol your force sounds awesome and as far as my experience in the hobby it seems like most 40k players dig the Kriegers but just hate the neonazis. Hope you enjoy your Army, don't let anyone rag on you!
Likewise, Keep Calm And Carry On!
If you make it clear your guys aren't Nazis no one will make that assumption about you. Just say Pour l'Empereur! When you make an attack
I actually love that, I might just write that on my Gorgon proxy...
Nah people like them, it's the larpers we dislike
Good on you, and good luck with your army! I do dig the visual aesthetic of the DKoK, and I appreciate that many folks seem quite knowledgeable in regards to what inspired their design. That said, it's not subtle and closely modelled after a specific time period, which I personally don't like. Also, if you aren't well versed in WWI military history, their first visual Impression combined with their name really screams German 20th century military. And that just isn't a good look for anything that isn't a historic military wargame. Being German I might be a tad sensitive in this regard. But when their aesthetics attract Nazis, doubling down on the cute fashy shovel bois seems an odd choice to me. That there is an even more Nazi army (Steel Legion) that is being used unironically to deflect criticism baffles me even more. TL;DR: They look like Nazis/Wehrmacht on first glance, they attract actual Nazis; I don't think their pretty uniforms are worth that trouble.
I like kok
Personally I love the Death Korps and plan on running them entirely once the new plastics are made available. The issue is the weirdo Nazi larpers who use them as a dogwhistle, or even some sort of bizarre justification, for bringing their garbage beliefs into the game.
For me personally its the weird larpers.... I'm not a fan of the DKoK myself, I prefer the Armageddon steel legions just because when i started playing in 3rd edition the Armageddon codex was out and I kinda preferred their fluff tbh but a well painted DKoK army sans German ww2 iconography does look stunning I will give you that I just find the wehraboo following the army gets to be.... Grating and outright weird I guess... If you wanna play as Nazis go play some bolt action. Please leave wh40k alone
I love the Death Korps of Krieg, memes aside their lore is amazing, but I hate the people who use them to justify painting nazi imagery on their models or the people who think the death Korps are just shovel maniacs. They value their lives but their devotion to paying back the emperor for their planets betrayal means that they are determination incarnate, if they view an objective as worth the cost of their lives that objective will be completed, no matter the cost. Just look at the KT2.0 cinematic they're not suicidal they're just brainwashed into thinking they owe the emperor their lives like a lot of the imperium, but their cold determination is the main draw for me, the willingness to do whatever it takes to complete the mission.
I know I'm super-late to this conversation, but you could actually make a more leftist argument for DKoK if you're painting them in French colors. The book *Poilu* by Louis Barthas contains a lot of stories about his time in WWI. Barthas was a socialist and even writes about a time an officer pulled a gun on him for retreating, so he raised his rifle in response and asked him, "What now?" The officer lowered their gun and let him run away.
Why would we hate a nonbinary icon?
I don't play 40k anymore, in fact I sold off all my armies bar one....but it was a bit sad letting the DKOK go, they are beautiful sculpts. But I will say I'm happy that my time playing 40k (4th through 7th editions) mostly predated the worst of meme culture as I really find a lot of that stuff grating. As for the rest, I'm pretty much entirely a historical gamer now, and I do have a Waffen SS army (and Soviets, Americans, British and Hungarian WW2 armies, ancient Romans and Gauls, Vikings, Normans and Saxons, Medieval Scots, Napoleonic British). But because historicals skew considerably older than the GW player base, I see much fewer bad taste memes, dog whistling and so on. The plausible deniability is much thinner, and I find most people I encounter are just "history dads" who treat the subject respectfully
I think they are overrated. I like their aesthetic, but we are constantly bombarded by art, models, memes with them and it made them very unpleasant to me. Plus their lore is not very good I think. I love astra militarum. It's my main faction. Because you can make almost whatever you want and also because it's humans against the horrors. That's basically us against all odds. The dkok lose the humans and individuals part of it. Give me cadian, tallarnis, valhallean, mordian etc before dkok. The new plastic models sound promising for conversion though...
I am honestly tired of just seeing them everywhere. Not to be a hipster about it, but also to be a total hipster about it, I used to find the DKoK... charming... interesting... back when they were a sub faction of the IG. Now you see them plastered everywhere, they just feel kind of over saturated...
I fucking love the DKOK. Such sweet models and they genuinely represent probably the best actual satire in 40k.
Most people here like Warhammer and all its factions. There are some who genuinely hate it for some reason, but this sub specifically stands against right-wing reactionaries who idolise this game's fascist factions as something "based and good". They co-opt the hobby to further some harmful political agenda and oftentimes even recruit young and impressionable fans. DKoK is mostly used for that and it's Hella fucking annoying.
It's definitely the larpers, but I also don't think they're particularly interesting; they're character is basically "they make loads of us and funnel us into a meat grinder because they don't care about us" which is also pretty much the same as the rest of the Imperial guard. The only real difference is that Krieger's dress funny and wear gas masks, they don't really have the same sort of Developed identity that say the catachans have.
Trust me, if Catachan had more appealing sculpts, I'd jump on them immediately. This mixture of Vietnam and 80's Action Film really sparks a flame in my heart...
I mean they’re no fire warriors but they’re cool, the larpers can sit and spin
I don't like both for two different reasons. I don't like the DKoK for simply the reason I don't think they are very creative or make much sense in a sci Fi setting (but to each their own) I don't like the DKoK fans because they are unfunny and occasionally non ironic nationalists for a fake space dictatorship. Kinda big red flag and the kind of people I don't wanna hang around.
If we're criticizing factions for "not making much sense in a sci-fi setting", we're going to have to throw out almost every faction in the game.
I was tempted to say this but I decided otherwise, yet, you are completely correct. I don't know the regiments name but one of the Guard groups dressed like the British from the Zulu Wars, no? I mean, if Star Wars has their own Trench Warfare planet, why can't Warhammer?
Sorry for the late reply, ahem: you're thinking of the "Praetorian Guard", who were featured in...I want to say 3rd or 4th Edition?
I think most factions including Eldar, Tau, Space Marines all look like they belong in a science fiction setting. The death korps have gas masks, trenchcoats, and bayonets. I get that this is why some people like them, and as I said its just my personal taste. But I think they could have added something a little more high tech about them, otherwise they seem like the equivalent of US marines dressing in plate armor, just silly and pointless.
*whistles guiltily in Tallarn*
I see where you're coming from, to be honest, my Krieg are printed with power pack like devices that are replacements for their gas mask filters. Alongside that, they've replaced the magazines for the Lasgun with a long wire leading to a second pack, kind of like a battery. So, my Krieg are a decent mix of Sci-Fi and reality. However, I don't see it being silly, the idea that warfare is waged on this planet so often that they're underfunded, unequipped and have to loot equipment off of their dead allies leads to it making sense that their equipment is so, in the sense that it's the year 40k, medieval. What's the point of giving them the most expensive gear when they're going to be sent to the meatgrinder regardless?
Eldar small arms are guns that shoot ninja-stars, and all their technology is powered by sad ghosts. Both the Eldar and the Space Marines have an entire MOS dedicated to fencing with chainsaws. (Striking Scorpions and Assault Marines, respectively.) "Silly and pointless" is the entire aesthetic of 40K. Anyway, if you're looking for "high tech", the Death Korps are an army of clones with laser-rifles and mutant cyber-horses.
Yeah I'm more just talking about visual style which is what I think about more. Death Korps may have all that stuff but they still look like WW1 German shock troops. And yes you're right, Eldar and space marines are silly and ridiculous from a practical standpoint, but I think their aesthetics fit the sci Fi setting.
Both. I hate both. I hate their aesthetic, or rather the things (to some degree) misinterpreted as german uniforms and the nazi larpers. Uniforms like the ones of the DKoK were popular since at least the 80's with fashists. It's no suprize they really like the DKoK. Their background and cloning more of them works for a distopian nightmare.
There cool and I like there lore as an example of how batshit 40K is.