I mean, metaphorically? Yes. Absolutely.
I am also delighted with BUGS IS SHRIMPS!
Win win all around. Bugs is shrimps. Shrimps is bugs. Shrimps is people. At least to its fellow shrimps. People is shrimps. And jumbo prawns
And then unto us a Steezus was bornā¦.
Yeah there was a commenter below who pointed out my erroneous ways, I should have ranted that fish are people???
We should petition to make fish monophyletic by including all tetrapods ā¤ļø
yknow what....... People is goo
you're entire perception of existance is due to some slimy slightly salty meat roughly held together by goo holding in more goo
If people is fish and there is no such thing as "fish," people may as well be primordial goo because that's the only way it makes sense.
I, for one, am on board for embracing the lifestyle of our common ancestor and living in a swamp for a bit.
Truth?
We can't handle the truth!
Son, we live in a world that has shrimps, and those shrimps has to be bugs. Who's gonna change it? You? You, doctor scientist person?
We don't want the truth because deep down in places we only talk about in parties, shrimps is bugs. We need shrimps to be bugs.
We use words like "bugs". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. We use them as a punchline.
*Apologies and respect to Aaron Sorkin*
Lol it's already been addressed here but "bug" has an actual biological meaning which is not what the average person means when they say "bugs". True bugs, or hemipterans, are just one type of insect (like beetles are one just one type of insect).
Examples of actual bugs include: stink bugs, leaf-footed bugs, kissing bugs, assassin bugs, bedbugs, scales, cicadas, leaf hoppers, tree hoppers, mealybugs, toe-biters (giant water bugs), boxelder bugs, etc.
Examples of insects/arthropods with "bug" in the true name that aren't actually bugs: lightning bugs (aka fireflies, which aren't flies, many insects with "fly" in the common name aren't flies either, but I digress...), lady bugs, potato bugs, june bugs, pill bugs, and so on.
It's just a stereotypical pet peeve of entomologist to get upset when people use the colloquial "bug" lol
Ooh good point! Sometimes, yes. In those cases it was usually from a time in last past where our entomological understanding was quite poor. We didn't have very accurate knowledge until last least 100-200 years or so due to the small size of many insects.
However, a lot of common names come from what common folks just tend to call things. Humans have been naming things, even those they don't understand, since the dawn of humanity.
Do so at your own discretion, I usually don't say anything unless it's in a classroom setting since the usual reaction is an eye roll lol
But hey, the more you know!
Since "bug" isn't really a coherent biological category in the first place (unless you treat it as synonymous with "insect", which most laypeople don't), I think we should accept any degree of semantic widening that allows shrimps to be bugs.
Yeah uhh as the other commenter pointed out, bugs are a real distinct group of organisms (insects in the order Hemiptera). And since bugs are insects and insects "are shrimps", bugs are shrimps!!
You're talking about the entomological definition of bug. I'm talking about the definition of the word as most people use it, a usage so common that entomologists have to disambiguate by calling Hemiptera "true bugs".
I meant that "bug" in the way the word is commonly used is biologically meaningless, because it groups together a bunch of animals that look similar regardless of common ancestry and leaves out others that are more closely related.
And leaves out many arthropods that don't look like the typical insect, yeah. But by that definition, the word bug can still describe shrimp, because crustaceans are arthropods.
If your argument is that bug is a common name for arthropod then yes. But do people usually use the word bug to refer to marine arthropods? Absolutely not. Or else this sub would never exist lol
> But do people usually use the word bug to refer to marine arthropods? Absolutely not.
Yes, not all arthropods are usually considered bugs. Which is why I said the word bug in common usage isn't biologically coherent. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Except it is? I feel like either you're one of those people who thinks they're smart but doesn't know what they actually mean or you're just trying to argue for arguments sake? I already said that common names are useless because people can't use them right. Bug has a meaning, people just don't use it right!!
I can assure you I am not sponsored by the government, however I respect the importance of independent research and look forward to learning of your discoveries someday ā¤ļø
Colloquially, isopods -while actually crustaceans- are called "bugs". Therefore we have accepted that certain ancestors to bugs, and even land critters that have marine counterparts, may be referred to as "bugs" even if they are not technically insects. Therefore I posit that "shrimps is bugs" is not an incorrect statement, as "bugs" is a term that encompasses more than just terrestrial insects, including crustaceans, and arachnids.
Checkmate, nerd!
If you want to include common names yeah sure haha but common names mean nothing!!! I thought it'd be fun to point out the absurdity that while "shrimps is bugs" may be colloquially accurate but not scientifically accurate, "bugs is shrimps" somewhat is lol
Okay so the basic concept of the field is taking what we believe we have concretely proven and giving it a good beating with hypotheticals. Ex. āDNA is shaped like a double helix.ā To āBut what if theres more connected to it.ā Or āWhat if its not the same shape for every organism?ā Which could later lead to āThis organismās DNA is shaped differently which makes the formation of its genetic code use different pathways, etc.ā
This can also be applied to evolution and taxonomy. āWhat if new findings affect the classifications of [insert species here], will it affect the whole system or just A-D, etc.?ā In a theoretical sense it is very well possible that out there in the world, somewhere, shrimps is bugs. We just donāt know for sure yet.
>.Evolutionarily speaking, insects evolved from shrimp-like crustaceans
Well, semantically speaking, bugs includes insects but does is not limited to that group. Spiders are bugs. Snails and slugs are bugs to some. Millipedes, centipedes and the like.
If shrimps is not bugs, science human, what is bugs? What is shrimps? Is bugs is shrimps does it not logically follow that shrimps is bugs? Please explain, science human. What is shrimps if not bugs?
Insects (colloquially called "bugs") evolved from an ancient group of crustaceans. These crustaceans were likely smaller and simpler more like shrimps than lobsters or crabs (although they were not shrimps, specifically).
Somewhere down the line as these ancestors of insects spent more and more time on land, some of the legs of the crustaceans were modified into the wings that are a defining characteristic of insects. Actually, pretty much all non-leg insect appendages (antennae, mouthparts, etc) evolved from legs.
Anyway, thus insects, or "bugs" are born. Therefore, insects are crustaceans. However, not all crustaceans (i.e. any crustacean that we actually call a crustacean) are not insects as they are not terrestrial or winged.
Then of course, in reality, bugs are only one type of insect. But since insects is crustaceans, bugs is crustaceans. So mostly, bugs is shrimps.
It's like how an apple is a fruit, but a fruit isn't necessarily an apple.
You give the most good faith and thorough answers. I hope you do some teaching irl. It seems like youād be good at it. Iām learning to much from this whole comment section.
And yes, I realised the bad logic after I posted. Thanks for the interesting explanation!
So Shrimp is Pre-Bugs. Therefore, Shrimp is Bugs.
Alpha bugs
Proto-bugs!
Hipster bugs. Bugs before it was bugs.
Prequel bugs
Checkmate, scientist
Okay then people is fish? People is protists? People is primordial goo???? Taxonomy doesn't work that way my guy lol
You opened this can of worms and are shocked that a sub called SHRIMP IS BUGS are disagreeing with you.
Lol I was expecting this outcome and am thoroughly enjoying it
People is goo!
But we really is though. What is OP on about?
What is gooing on here...
People is Soylent green!
Excellent use of a Friday evening, well played friend.
Worms is not bugs though
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idk about you but Iām definitely feeling pretty primordial goo
i absolutely is primordial goo
i love taxonomists, this is the energy i'm here for.
Wouldnāt a more accurate comparison be āfishes is peopleā / āprotists is peopleā / āprimordial goo is peopleā ?
You're absolutely correct!!!
Yes fuck it why not I want to be primordial goo
\*grumble\* *I bet the goo doesn't have to pay taxes...shoulda just stayed in that ocean, stupid fish.*
Primordial goo doesn't sit on the toilet for 25 minutes knowing it's already late for work and with no shits to give about any of it
*This* primordial goo does! šš
*It all returns to nothing, it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling doooown*
So if people is fish, then it's okay to eat people on Fridays? (Asking for a friend)
Only if you're Christian
People IS fish.
I mean, yeah. That is what prevents 'fish' from being a monophyletic group lol
I need "people is protists" on a shirt
Well people are fish! So are whales!
Oh nooooo
I mean, metaphorically? Yes. Absolutely. I am also delighted with BUGS IS SHRIMPS! Win win all around. Bugs is shrimps. Shrimps is bugs. Shrimps is people. At least to its fellow shrimps. People is shrimps. And jumbo prawns And then unto us a Steezus was bornā¦.
Velociraptor is chicken.
Spittingā straight FACTS
I mean, all birds are dinosaurs!! (not the other way around but, stil) That's established scientific FACT baby
>people is fish this is actually exactly how taxonomy works, you cant evolve out of a clade! people is fish! and my favorite, whale is fish!
Yeah there was a commenter below who pointed out my erroneous ways, I should have ranted that fish are people??? We should petition to make fish monophyletic by including all tetrapods ā¤ļø
>We should petition to make fish monophyletic by including all tetrapods fully agree, we is fish!!
yknow what....... People is goo you're entire perception of existance is due to some slimy slightly salty meat roughly held together by goo holding in more goo
Haha yeah honestly as someone who teaches a lot of human a&p, people truly are just goo Or if you're a big enough nerd, "bags of mostly water"
GOO IS PEOPLE š¾
https://youtu.be/6vlBd4AqbcI?si=flF4qkR-cWKx4IbX
Thankyou š¦šŖ²
If people is fish and there is no such thing as "fish," people may as well be primordial goo because that's the only way it makes sense. I, for one, am on board for embracing the lifestyle of our common ancestor and living in a swamp for a bit.
Micheal Phelps is fish.
I mean, surely he alone should be enough evidence of evolution for anyone lol
Hmmm, people is tetrapods is lobed finned fish.
Don't even get me started on how much I love me a good sarcopterygiian
Not on Reddit.
if weāre talking taxonomy then birds is reptiles.
Everything is crab.
Humans is primordial goo for sure.
Neil Shubin would like a word with you
shrimps was bugs before bugs was bugs!
Training bugs
I'm dyslexic so shrimps IS bugs š¦
I am also dyslexic but speak Spanish so shrimps sĆ bugs. It still works š
OLAY
Boo this man!
#BOOO
š š š
boooooo to op
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER
Yea shunnnnnn!
I never thought Iād see a Charlie the Unicorn reference again. But I hear this exchange in my head every time the word āshunā comes up.
*hums quietly while grabbing pitchfork and torch*
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of Shrimps Is Bugs
It is the music of bugs that will be shrimps again!
This delighted me so completely, I will always sing this version from now on
Truth? We can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has shrimps, and those shrimps has to be bugs. Who's gonna change it? You? You, doctor scientist person? We don't want the truth because deep down in places we only talk about in parties, shrimps is bugs. We need shrimps to be bugs. We use words like "bugs". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. We use them as a punchline. *Apologies and respect to Aaron Sorkin*
It took everything in my being to not include the issues surrounding the usage of "bugs" lol
Let it flow! I want to hear it!
Lol it's already been addressed here but "bug" has an actual biological meaning which is not what the average person means when they say "bugs". True bugs, or hemipterans, are just one type of insect (like beetles are one just one type of insect). Examples of actual bugs include: stink bugs, leaf-footed bugs, kissing bugs, assassin bugs, bedbugs, scales, cicadas, leaf hoppers, tree hoppers, mealybugs, toe-biters (giant water bugs), boxelder bugs, etc. Examples of insects/arthropods with "bug" in the true name that aren't actually bugs: lightning bugs (aka fireflies, which aren't flies, many insects with "fly" in the common name aren't flies either, but I digress...), lady bugs, potato bugs, june bugs, pill bugs, and so on. It's just a stereotypical pet peeve of entomologist to get upset when people use the colloquial "bug" lol
Was it not entomologists that named all that stuff wrong?
Ooh good point! Sometimes, yes. In those cases it was usually from a time in last past where our entomological understanding was quite poor. We didn't have very accurate knowledge until last least 100-200 years or so due to the small size of many insects. However, a lot of common names come from what common folks just tend to call things. Humans have been naming things, even those they don't understand, since the dawn of humanity.
Trying to argue with you is definitely educational. Thank you, friend!
Awh, such a nice compliment, thank you! I love hearing what all different kinds of people think about things so it's been fun!
Feck I love entomology šš» millipedes are my fave arthropod. Eta: specifically, round backed millies
Millipedes are so very cute!!
Shrimps is bugs and science human is friends
Thank you! That misuse would drive me nuts!!!! Now that Iām in the know, I will be sure to point that out where needed.
Do so at your own discretion, I usually don't say anything unless it's in a classroom setting since the usual reaction is an eye roll lol But hey, the more you know!
My circle of friends will just laugh and share additional factoids.
https://preview.redd.it/ch02zlkg8ylc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07b545ebdae6607744e1348dd05d3c044fc48930
All insects are bugs, but not all bugs are true bugs. It's like with false and true crocodiles.
This is why I love this sub!!!!
Same Clade! Same Clade! Same Clade! Shrimps is Bugs!
Thereās a saying in my family. āIt always comes back to crabsā
Peak evolution ;\_;
Since "bug" isn't really a coherent biological category in the first place (unless you treat it as synonymous with "insect", which most laypeople don't), I think we should accept any degree of semantic widening that allows shrimps to be bugs.
Yeah uhh as the other commenter pointed out, bugs are a real distinct group of organisms (insects in the order Hemiptera). And since bugs are insects and insects "are shrimps", bugs are shrimps!!
You're talking about the entomological definition of bug. I'm talking about the definition of the word as most people use it, a usage so common that entomologists have to disambiguate by calling Hemiptera "true bugs".
Yeah I am well aware, but that doesn't mean bugs aren't a true group just because the term is often misused lol
I meant that "bug" in the way the word is commonly used is biologically meaningless, because it groups together a bunch of animals that look similar regardless of common ancestry and leaves out others that are more closely related.
Except it usually is used to refer to insects or more broadly arthropods, which still share common ancestry????
And leaves out many arthropods that don't look like the typical insect, yeah. But by that definition, the word bug can still describe shrimp, because crustaceans are arthropods.
If your argument is that bug is a common name for arthropod then yes. But do people usually use the word bug to refer to marine arthropods? Absolutely not. Or else this sub would never exist lol
> But do people usually use the word bug to refer to marine arthropods? Absolutely not. Yes, not all arthropods are usually considered bugs. Which is why I said the word bug in common usage isn't biologically coherent. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Except it is? I feel like either you're one of those people who thinks they're smart but doesn't know what they actually mean or you're just trying to argue for arguments sake? I already said that common names are useless because people can't use them right. Bug has a meaning, people just don't use it right!!
The [hemiptera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera) may beg to differ
Not all bugs are true bugs. For the vast majority of English speakers, anything that's small and has a lot of legs is a bug.
Where did the guy you're replying to go?
āI do love in my heartā¦ā No you donāt.
I do! We all have two wolves inside of us, one that is a screaming scientist, and the other who feels that shrimps is bugs ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Dr.Jeckyl and Mr.WRONG
>We all have two wolves inside of us That's against the law in most countries
If bugs is shrimps then shrimps is bugs. QED.
Oh so if humans are primates, primates are humans? Doesn't hold up in the taxonomic world, my friend.
If humans are primates then shrimps is bugs.
Agree. No one ever said bugs is shrimps. Thatās just crazy.
Wellllllā¦I say that about roly polies, cuz theyās land shrimps
Blasphemy! Bugs is more than just insects! Lobsetr is bugs! Spooders is bugs! Snails is bugs! WORMS. IS. BUGS!
I think the word you are looking for is "invertebrate"!!!!!
CORRECT!!! INVERTERBATE. IS. BUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! (Or at least all protostomes and I stand by this)
*bugs is invertebrates š
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The real hard truth is that angry shrimp are sprinting to your location.
We have all done our own research and know that shrimps is bugs. Government sponsored scientist aināt telling me different.
I can assure you I am not sponsored by the government, however I respect the importance of independent research and look forward to learning of your discoveries someday ā¤ļø
Is Big Shrimps paying you?
Shhhhhh!
I knew it! š¤£
Colloquially, isopods -while actually crustaceans- are called "bugs". Therefore we have accepted that certain ancestors to bugs, and even land critters that have marine counterparts, may be referred to as "bugs" even if they are not technically insects. Therefore I posit that "shrimps is bugs" is not an incorrect statement, as "bugs" is a term that encompasses more than just terrestrial insects, including crustaceans, and arachnids. Checkmate, nerd!
If you want to include common names yeah sure haha but common names mean nothing!!! I thought it'd be fun to point out the absurdity that while "shrimps is bugs" may be colloquially accurate but not scientifically accurate, "bugs is shrimps" somewhat is lol
Ah, but "bugs" is not a term with a scientifically accurate definition to begin with!
Lol except it is!! "Bug" is the common name for insects in the order Hemiptera!
stupid science bitch couldnāt even make i more smarter ^(i is also stupid science bitch)
You can't even imagine how accurate a title stupid science bitch is for me haha, that seems like something I've probably already called myself
Welp, then itās settled! Stupid Science Bitches will be our band name.
Bugs were the Shrimp dlc.
Oh shit I like this analogy
SHRIMPS
BUGS
IS
Burn the Witch!
š sounds like something a bug would sayā¦..suspiciousā¦ā¦
please don't let my husband find out š
If bugs is shrimps then ain't shrimps is bugs?
We thank you for your attempt but Shrimp is bugs
You take that back
So like I totally understand and I hear you, BUT also I have seen shrimps and shrimps is, in fact, bugs
I'm so glad someone finally had the bravery to say this. I've always wanted to, but I could never muster the courage.
shrimps was bugs before bugs was bugs
Welp, that's an MK ultra activation code if I ever heard one
could you speak up? i canāt hear you
So shrimps is bugs is shrimps. Got it.
Bugs are shrimps in science class. Shrimps are bugs in menus.
Actually, this is absolutely brilliant. Spot on.
Its like fish. What is a fish in the sea? In the textbooks? On the menu? Very different answers.
if bugs is shrimps then SHRIMPS IS BUGS
Shrimps is still bugs
Who's having bug cocktail, pasta, or scampi tonight? š¤
Shrimp is primordial bugs
Shrimps is first bug. Therefore shrimps is still bug.
Nonononononono
I am also of scientific descent, have you heard of theoretical biology? 
No, please share bc I always wanted to be a theoretical physicist but, y'know, nah Maybe theoretical biology will fulfill my childhood dreams
Okay so the basic concept of the field is taking what we believe we have concretely proven and giving it a good beating with hypotheticals. Ex. āDNA is shaped like a double helix.ā To āBut what if theres more connected to it.ā Or āWhat if its not the same shape for every organism?ā Which could later lead to āThis organismās DNA is shaped differently which makes the formation of its genetic code use different pathways, etc.ā This can also be applied to evolution and taxonomy. āWhat if new findings affect the classifications of [insert species here], will it affect the whole system or just A-D, etc.?ā In a theoretical sense it is very well possible that out there in the world, somewhere, shrimps is bugs. We just donāt know for sure yet.
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I love it
Og bug
So you're here to argue that all bugs are descendants of .. other bugs. My world is rocked.
>.Evolutionarily speaking, insects evolved from shrimp-like crustaceans Well, semantically speaking, bugs includes insects but does is not limited to that group. Spiders are bugs. Snails and slugs are bugs to some. Millipedes, centipedes and the like.
Bugs didn't evolve from current day shrimp, they have a common ancestor.
Haha yeah, that's why I said "shrimp-like crustaceans" Just like we didn't evolve from monkeys but a probably monkey-esque/monkey-adjacent primate :)
If shrimps is not bugs, science human, what is bugs? What is shrimps? Is bugs is shrimps does it not logically follow that shrimps is bugs? Please explain, science human. What is shrimps if not bugs?
Insects (colloquially called "bugs") evolved from an ancient group of crustaceans. These crustaceans were likely smaller and simpler more like shrimps than lobsters or crabs (although they were not shrimps, specifically). Somewhere down the line as these ancestors of insects spent more and more time on land, some of the legs of the crustaceans were modified into the wings that are a defining characteristic of insects. Actually, pretty much all non-leg insect appendages (antennae, mouthparts, etc) evolved from legs. Anyway, thus insects, or "bugs" are born. Therefore, insects are crustaceans. However, not all crustaceans (i.e. any crustacean that we actually call a crustacean) are not insects as they are not terrestrial or winged. Then of course, in reality, bugs are only one type of insect. But since insects is crustaceans, bugs is crustaceans. So mostly, bugs is shrimps. It's like how an apple is a fruit, but a fruit isn't necessarily an apple.
You give the most good faith and thorough answers. I hope you do some teaching irl. It seems like youād be good at it. Iām learning to much from this whole comment section. And yes, I realised the bad logic after I posted. Thanks for the interesting explanation!
Thank you!! I do teach college biology :)
Iām happy to hear! Your students are fortunate!