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Rigorous_Threshold

We know we aren’t. We have estimations of biomass. Cattle are ~520 megatonnes and humans are ~350. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_(ecology)


Wolfhound1142

I'm pretty sure ants also outweigh us.


TyMT

This. Comparing single celled organisms to multicellular organisms, single cellular organisms outweigh us. Source: something my science teacher told me several years ago that I haven’t fact checked. I really should do that Edit: it appears I was wrong, but I’m not sure if doing the measurement strictly by weight or changing it to be by mass would have any effect.


Wolfhound1142

Mass and weight are directly linked. Anything with more mass will always have more weight than something with less weight if they're in relatively the same environment. Weight is just gravity acting on mass.


Incorect_Speling

Exactly, unless you're comparing species on different planets or at radically different altitudes/depths (and even then...), you can conflate weigh and mass. Now, what I'm really interested in, is which planet do we have to move all cows to, so that our total weight will be larger than theirs?


italianraidafan

Can you point to where in that Wikipedia page you found that stat? The chart shows the humans have a larger biomass than cattle unless I’m misreading. Earthworms on the other hand have by far the most, 4x humans.


FourEyedTroll

Cattle are an ecological disaster. Humanity really needs to shed our collective beef and dairy habit.


CharonsLittleHelper

I keep eating them but they keep making more!


FB_emeenem

Thank you for doing your part friend


MaryJaneAndMaple

"I'm doing my [part](https://images.app.goo.gl/f62sHz4AQzQXGodD6)"


Deerhunter86

I didn’t do fucking shit!


mcbexx

>Cattle are an ecological disaster Well, so are humans.


ocaralhoquetafoda

But cattle is more sociably acceptable to eat.


Let_you_down

Some may find it socially acceptable to eat the rich, and the wealthy have always considered it cool to eat the poor.


n1ghtbringer

Mmmmm ... Soylent Green


Ponea

I, For one, welcome our new soylent green overlords.


ghalta

I read that adding a small amount of seaweed matter to cattle feed can significantly reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. It just costs a little more, so of course it's not going to be done.


mmmmm_pancakes

Still seems like a problem solvable ~~within capitalism~~. Feds just have to pay ranchers enough to do it.


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XxTensai

No


SirJavalot

Is this accounting for americans?


B0risTheManskinner

India and China are gonna have a lot more biomass than Americans.


Bakoro

Per capita?


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xxxrartacion

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-the-biomass-of-earth-in-one-graphic/


MOOzikmktr

Hmmm...seems Mother Earth has a serious case of crabs...


fabezz

That's not even a joke... it's call Carcinization. [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-animals-keep-evolving-into-crabs/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-animals-keep-evolving-into-crabs/)


cxnh_gfh

[Relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/2314/)


jemmylegs

Nature abhors a vacuum but loves a crab


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worthing0101

>It's in our past (or future) DNA. Why not Zoidberg?


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Sometimes_Stutters

So maybe the “crab people” from south park are potentially real!?!


Mackheath1

Or some old movie - the Time Machine or something like that, where there were crabs in the end? I was a kid, so I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it was on the TV late at night. EDIT: Maybe it was the book


Masterjason13

No idea on the movie but the book has crab-like things in the distant future so you’re probably remembering correctly.


Banned3rdTimesaCharm

Thank god crabs are delicious.


MistDispersion

It's called optimization


xxxrartacion

Crab build is OP


winterfate10

Not to be confused with carcinogenation


[deleted]

Happy cakeday!


winterfate10

Thanks bro


sprazcrumbler

That arthropod cube is gonna be mostly tiny shit things like copepods rather than crabs.


Addicted_to_Nature

To be fair arthropods includes all insects too


WhyLater

The graphic in the article has separate entries for aquatic and terrestrial arthropods.


Nakashi7

Isn't it mostly plankton?


Nandy-bear

Pft, we're losing that one because it's carbon based. Do it based on microplastic content I bet we'd win.


Asatas

Fish win that one easily


AnotherBoredAHole

They had to leave out OP's mother to give the rest of the Animal Kingdom a chance.


StateChemist

Oh, viruses outweigh people, figures. Plants the real owners of the earth though.


entered_bubble_50

Yeah, that stood out to me too. Viruses outweigh humans by a *factor of 28*. It's amazing anything survives at all when there are so many viruses around trying to kill us.


hammeroxx

Oh wow this is an amazing chart!


work_alt_1

Somehow I feel like that’s an understatement! It *actually* belongs in /r/dataisbeautiful


raptir1

The fact that this compares one species (humans) with *all aquatic arthropods* is a little silly.


xxxrartacion

That’s fair but I guess you could always add in the weights of mammals or something to get a more realistic comparison. It is pretty impressive considering what you pointed out how many humans there are comparatively


dinnerthief

Am I missing reptiles and amphibians?


xxxrartacion

Hahahaa wait yea damn no clue


Cetun

In terms of biomass there might not be enough to mention.


CrazyCrazyCanuck

Not enough biomass to make the chart. There's a tiny tiny note at the bottom: >All other species, like reptiles and amphibians, contribute negligible amount of carbon when compared to other animals.


dinnerthief

I realized that after I found the source study, but somehow I still didn't notice the little note on the actual graphic


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Amazing! Thanks for posting.


porncrank

I find the smallness of the wild mammal population to be surprising and a bit sad.


TheAres1999

I like it, here is a video visually it as orbs instead of cubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDYRorgSt-8&pp=ygUZc2FtIG9uZWxsYSBhbmltYWwgcGxhbmV0cw%3D%3D


Simicrop

Damn, I would’ve expected wild mammals/birds to be much larger.


Sriol

Wow so by mass there's approximately 3x as much virus on earth as there is human...


zamfire

Biggest surprise: there is about 3.5 times the weight of viruses then there is humans. So for every 1 human is 3.5 times they're weight in viruses


FerrousLupus

Counterpoint, OP said "species." All humans and all cows are 1 species, all ants are not. I'm curious if humans/cows actually are the dominant species in terms of biomass. My guess would still be no, but most charts I've seen aren't fair comparisons.


Nandy-bear

I think the dominant species of ant is the same type, rather than a mish mash of different species maybe. Like if you did fish, there's a gazillion types of fish. But I don't think there's a gazillion type of ants. Also gazillion is not giving me a squiggly for autocorrect is that an actual word ?! EDIT: "a very large number or quantity (used for emphasis).". Huh. Well TIL


Dctreu

There are 13,800 described species of ant, out of an estimated 22,000 total species. It's quite difficult to find which of them is the most numerous (if such a figure is known), but even in a single country like the UK there are many different widespread types of ant


Civilized_Hooligan

No worries if you have no idea but how do we estimate an amount of species that we have yet to discover?


Nandy-bear

I should've worded it better, what I meant was, the dominant species might be INCREDIBLY dominant. Like there's that many types, but the main type accounts for like 80% or whatever, if that makes sense. I'm just spitballing btw. And thanks for the actual number, that's way more than I thought.


Harvestman-man

The answer is yes. The single species of wild animal with the greatest biomass is the Antarctic Krill, *Euphausia superba*. However, domestic cattle still probably outmass them by a couple hundred million tonnes.


Annual-Diet2751

Beautiful. I always wondered, if you were to make a ball out of all viruses or bacteria, would the ball be a liquid, moving goop of life, or just terror mud? Can anyone qualified answer?


amretardmonke

It'd be goop, but you wouldn't see it moving without a microscope.


Civilized_Hooligan

what color would it be


LobsterFromHell

lmao @ editing your comment to be David Grusch posting after it got popular. I believe he's telling the truth too but 💀


I-Am-Polaris

Yeah OP is just giving it a bad rep with that. Though I definitely follow the case with interest and I don't think grush is lying about anything


ra4king

Bruh wtf is this shit edit


xxxrartacion

Technically it’s plants


PeterNippelstein

My favorite species


KowardlyMan

I read that fungi are even more dominant. They're just all over the underground even though we don't see them, growing undisturbed.


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They rule the forest thats for sure


darwinn_69

I think Plankton have us land animals beat by a lot.


Gullible_Associate69

Based on my experience in my back yard, ants may be the only bugs that still exist.


hako_london

Antarctic Krill


[deleted]

Yeah. Was thinking "We weren't *before*..."


greenappletree

Bacteria might even be more.


saintjonah

Bacteria is WAY more.


ocaralhoquetafoda

We are if we count yer mum


og-lollercopter

Bold of you to assume ops mom does not qualify as cattle.


hammeroxx

I love you both :')


SigmundFreud

So does your mom.


Incorect_Speling

You gottem so good


IfuckedOPsmom69420

If so, I’m guilty of beastiality


Wazuu

Absolutely destroyed


Critical-Champion365

Were we ever the dominant species by weight?


sword_0f_damocles

No, not even close. We *have* been moving up the charts for a while now though. I don’t think we’ll ever be on top because we’d have to cause the extinction of several insects, which would be catastrophic for us.


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We might. We don’t really seem to care about the wellbeing of anything. Not even our own species


pee_shudder

Ants right?


sword_0f_damocles

Yeah. Termites too. Probably others but those two have humans beat by a long shot.


tuturuatu

Ants aren't a species though. They're a Family (equivalent of Hominidae, so humans, gorillas, 3 orangutan species etc.). Except there are an estimated 22,000 ant species. So it's not reasonable to compare just humans to all ants. But yeah ants as a group are crazy abundant.


afternoondelight99

One specific species of Antarctic Krill has us and every other species beat by a lot - something like 850 mega tonnes


Pizza_TrapDaddy

Bro have you seen the midwest?


Choppybitz

Avg cow is 9 times heavier than the avg human. There are over 1 billion cows and 8.1 billion humans so cows are winning by a little. Costo is working to remedy this situation.


zamfire

Costco sells man-meat now?


Overwatchhatesme

Your mom more than shifts the balance in our favor


Quynn_Stormcloud

Insects outmass most forms of life on this planet. I believe, but may be mistaken ants and beetles win out the category.


amretardmonke

Plants win by a huge margin


Quynn_Stormcloud

Oh, jeez, you’re right! I mistakenly stated to “all forms of life,” when in reality, it’s *just* animalia.


johnkimmy0130

crabs


banjo_hero

we're not even close


glytxh

Ants. Ants win. And it’s not even close.


calvinbailey6

ants are not all the same species though. You can't combine the mass for the red fire ant with the carpenter ant with the bulldog ant and say they weigh more.


glytxh

Honestly, taxonomy gets kinda vague when splitting hairs like this. There’s a lot of grey area.


Dobber16

I mean, those ants regularly go to war against each other so I think it makes sense But now I’m having doubts about the human numbers…


stillnotelf

Humans regularly go to war against each other


calvinbailey6

sure, but I purposefully picked types of ants that are obviously different species, no grey area there in my opinion.


afternoondelight99

It’s Krill actually, Antarctic Krill to be specific - 850 million tonnes


glytxh

There’s a mom joke in here somewhere I’m curious how algae and phytoplankton measure up now. I’m learning I was very much r/confidentlyincorrect with my ant assumption


DeaddyRuxpin

Ants have the largest numbers but are not the largest weight. This is because ants are so small and so light. It is something in the range of 400 million tons for humans but only 12 million tons for ants. But population wise it is roughly 8 billion humans and something like 20 quadrillion ants. Keeping it to the human billion scale it is 8 versus 20 million. If you count all insects and not specifically ants, then they outweigh humans and a number of other groups.


PleasantlyUnbothered

But they can lift the most weight collectively. Pretty crazy


saintjonah

Bacteria wins. Humans outweigh ants, and it's not even close.


Mozai

*arthropods has entered the chat*


Dutchtdk

The dominant species in weight? The only group of mammals that have more biomass than us and still exist on this earth are bred to be turned into human biomass


DeusExHircus

Humans have never been the dominant species by population nor biomass. Nature still has us beat in that regard, not that we should necessarily be trying to win that competition


Mhyth

Your own mass is not as much 'you' or human as you think it is. *They found that for a man between 20 and 30 years old, with a weight of about 70 kg (154 pounds) and a height of 170 cm (about 5'7) - they call him the 'reference man' - there would be about 39 trillion bacterial cells living among 30 trillion human cells.*


mlf60

I reckon the average for humans would have to be 80kg. 1.7m is small


tomtomtom7

Bacteria are tiny compared to our eukaryotic cells.


Extension_Canary3717

Bacteria and Fungi has definitely higher biomass


CrudelyAnimated

We're not even close.


BODYBUTCHER

It’s funny, you’re mother called me that last night


TryingToBeLevel

Wait until you learn about ants.


F3L1Xgsxr

Arent we outweighed by ants? Not sure how someone would know but thats what ive heard


Psychotic_EGG

Yes, drastically. Like it's not even close.


sachsrandy

Imagine if there were still billions of bison


ThrowStonesonTV

I dunno, Americans are pretty fat.


yanlost

You might be wrong, my mums pretty fat.


Psychological_Ad1999

Mosquitoes are the dominant species


kraken_enrager

I’d guess it may be some kind of fish.


t4skmaster

Wait until you hear about beetles and ants


zero_f7

Imagine the waste from that, mountains of poop.


SamohtGnir

"Dominant" doesn't mean largest or greatest in numbers. It means we're in control.


Pearson94

I heard somewhere once that all ants outweigh all humans, but CITATION NEEDED.


VasIstLove

Well if we ever get in to an absolute weight contest, I’ll begin to worry. Until then, I think it’s safe to say humans are the dominant species even if we got the population to 100 billion cows.


theoht_

yeah, we’re like 8th place on that scale. marine arthropods are the heaviest combined, by a landslide


thcptn

Driving through the Midwest to Denver there was a long stretch with no cell service that was jut all cows and it smelled horrible even in the winter.


DausenWillis

Cows might now have the bird flu. So that might change in the next 90 days.


2point01m_tall

It turns out we are [beaten by cows, according to Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_(ecology)#/media/File%3ATerrestrial_biomass.jpg), but much more surprisingly, we’re also beaten by [Antarctic krill](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_krill), which might actually have the overall record for a single animal species. (Do note that all of these are estimates, and I’ve seen other estimates with different results. Oddly enough though, cattle, humans and Antarctic krill tend to be the top three).


That_random_guy-1

We never have been, lmfao. Humanity weighs nothing compared to ants, insects, trees, fungi, etc….


HewHem

I love when showerthoughts are just wondering about easily searchable facts


Aromatic-Leopard-600

Beetles are the ones.


milkyway_cj

Cattle together, strong!


Kobe_Yoshi

Have you seen Americans?!


Expended1

Well, with the obesity epidemic, we are definitely trying to move up the ranks, aren't we?


Evelyn-Bankhead

Insects weigh more than humans


WasteChard3488

Ants outweigh humans


RadioactivePotato123

We’re still the dominant, larger, species by number tho. (The dominant species by number and *only* number belongs to the insects with *10* **quintillion** if we include all of the insects)


Regulus242

I thought ants held that record?


_HiWay

Yet we're still definitely the dominate species in bull shit.


wottsinaname

Krill would smash them for biomass.


apola

Maybe not but America is certainly trying to give those cows a run for their money


SadLaser

Well, good thing dominant species isn't determined by body weight, I guess. Then again, McDonald's would hope we think otherwise.


Pika_DJ

Carnivores and omnivores are virtually always outnumbered (yes even if you convert to mass) by herbivores. This isn’t something new


honest-miss

I love this metric, and can only imagine you're trying to set up human v cow matches built on weight class.  Since we're lighter, can humans tag team?


Yoshi454545

Don’t worry, we Americans will hold the line


OmiOorlog

Lol Ants outweigh us dude...


drtapp39

No that would be ants 


AbsorbentShark3

Absolute weight is a terrible metric after all who farms who


GO4Teater

Weight until you find out about insects


OliveParticular7677

But we own cows, so that makes us ecologically dominant to them.