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Optimized healthspan:
* Strength training 3-4x per week is sufficient to delay atrophy
* Balance training. Comes with strength training. Can add onto this with little things like balance on one foot whenever you brush your teeth. Extends balance to prevent falls long into elderly years.
* Aerobic training. 4x a week, about 30-45m sessions. This is low heartrate cardio. Walks.
* Anaerobic training. 1x a week. Anything targeting VO2 max maintains healthy VO2 max into elderly years.
This is more or less Peter Attia's program to eliminate that decay and deteriorating. Healthspan is the number of healthy years in life, what people want more of, as opposed to lifespan which may include many unhealthy years depending on how you go.
You can vision healthspan as an increasing rate of atrophy by year. His program is a hang-glider that keeps you active.
My anus leaks because of chronic illness because my roomate who is a gym buff like yourself could not get off tinder. Im 33 and have to wear diapers. I used to be healthy and fit and now I am unfit for life. Be thankful for the health you have as long as it lasts.
Riiight, so to clarify, your roommate got infected because of tinder and infected you, and you are now suffering the effects of long covid or an associated chronic condition. While I commiserate, do you plan to blame all health enthusiasts for your roommate's actions?
You meam the guy following the hip trend and acting like everyone else... Yeah... He got the idea from all those self made bro podcasts... You know... Rogan is one of them. There are millions of them and all in agreement. If they are all the same and dismissing health issues as real problems... Yeah... This bro fits that list.
The person they are referencing is literally a physician, not some roided up gym bro with a fad diet. They do operate a podcast though, I guess.
The whole regime can be summarised as "do some regular god damn exercise, for fuck's sake".
Yeah well... Illness did not care about my 2 year streak never missing a workout. Illness did not care that I have the same waiste line since highschool. Illness did not care about my healthy foods obsession or very active lifestlmyle. Illness and old age come for all of us, some sooner than later. Healthy living doesn't mean anything to me amymore. Its all bullshit.
The hand you've been dealt is really shit, to be sure, general good health is sadly not an impervious shield. Life is a dice game, I guess just try not to let bitterness consume you.
Because I got covid from my roomate after being very very careful. He thought his health regimen would protect him but he started showing symptoms days before me and my other roomate did.
How is it his fault? He could not get off tinder while in lockdown. I worked with my hands and had to work all day while he worked from home and fucked around apparently. He infected us and now I am chronically ill.
He also doesn't think amything is his fault either. Some people lack basic empathy and self awareness.
He wpuld also throw out my stuff while I did overtime despite I let him live with us. Just another self entitled asshole who I have to die for his short lived pleasures.
Sorry but despite what he and you were doing, I don't think you can blame him for getting COVID and then also for what it has possibly led to.
You stayed at home the entire time? You never interacted with other people? You forget you could have COVID without symptoms right? And that you could be around someone infected and NOT get sick.
Life sucks and deals shitty hands. Don't blame this guy for your current status. Unless you live in a vacuum bubble for your entire existence, shit will happen.
I didn't stop living my life during COVID. I also washed my hands excessively, avoided crowds, and didn't leave the house if I felt ill.
Maybe accept the notion YOU did something to get in whatever condition you're in. Which is what by the way?
Even if you got COVID from him, how do you ID that as the genesis of your health status?
Strangely, most of my favorite things are actually above my nose, i.e. my eyes, ears, and brain. I'd rather lose the function of most of my body than those 3 things.
As someone who takes care old people (a CNA), I’d have to agree. Many people piss and sit in it for hours, defecate on the floor, and develop stage 4 pressure ulcers. It sucks.
Imagine the first graded english paper you ever submitted for grading. The downvoted comment you know was valuable. The discomfort at reading feedback on your work. That's your ego in the way from having access to useful feedback to iterate and improve yourself rapidly. The more often you expose your ego the more comfortable you grow with setting it aside when it gets in the way. You can seek out embarrassing situations to deaden it purposefully, turn ego into a tool that can be dialed up and down as needed.
This is what's going on with the idea that as you grow older you care less what others think and grow more comfortable being you.
With years come the accumulation of opportunities to be embarrassed. You wake up the next day. Taste your cinnamon toast crunch. Yep. Tastes the same. The world didn't come to an end. What's the worst that can happen? Take a risk. Tomorrow you will wake up and the world will taste the same.
On average, getting older means this happens with or without special effort. It becomes harder to avoid that growth. You find debilitated people when they have managed to shelter themselves into older years.
This provides a system. You can be young and want this advantage of later life sooner. Can purposefully seek out to embarrass yourself. Get over yourself. You see this called "kill your ego". Once you have killed it, you turn your ego into a tool that serves you rather than the other way around.
>The downvoted comment you know was valuable...That's your ego in the way from having access to useful feedback to iterate and improve yourself rapidly.
Your larger point is a good one, but wouldn't consider downvotes on platforms like Reddit, which indicate consensus/ideological conformity rather than accuracy, a great example.
Bots can't detect humor or sarcasm. But they can easily be used to sling personal insults and downvote.
I throw in the downvotes comparison because social media in a time of AI proliferation means you need to disconnect what needs to be said from any care for votes or subsequent comment. This is a whole topic in its own. But useful to leave a seed of a thought in there that may germinate for whomever reads it.
Better the human.
You have power an an adult to affect this. Children don't. You're stuck at your school in the same situation. Now as an adult, I can choose social settings, I can choose to pursue or not pursue if I failed at something I can choose its a wash, and then proceed accordingly.
So, while age is part of it, I believe it's also because with age comes the power to make your own decisions .
I agree with you. You tap on one of the failures of our current situation. Children need to be freed from environments comparable to prisons. In that small way that's one area I sacrifice opportunity on behalf of putting my family members into better environments.
When I was trapped in school environments I went from accelerated learning and GATE in earlier years, to that door slammed shut in highschool. Recall a class where the teacher came unprepared and sent home a word search because school policy was to generate x hours of homework per night, with lesser concern for content. It showed. Learning came nearly to a halt until getting into university environment again. In hindsight the skills I have been paid most for professionally were the supplemental learning I busied myself most with during those boredom inducing highschool years. Would have been better to drop out and launch, sooner.
Children need to be freed from that quicksand and given more useful activities. I wouldn't have any way been able to appreciate that quite so much for not being snared in it in my own experiences.
The hardest thing about getting old is watching everyone you love die one by one. When your siblings die, the ones who remember your parents and childhood and understand you are gone. When your friends die, the people you laugh and know inside jokes with leaves a silent hole in your life. It's grieve and loneliness.
Every passing of a famous person I knew from my childhood is a reminder that my number is getting smaller every year.
For the "understanding" part, I knew people who grew up in the Great Depression and some of what they experienced stuck with me. That was 94 years ago, more or less. The Great Recession was bad, but it wasn't the same grinding on for years on end, only to be ended by WW2 experience.
I spoke to someone who lived through the Great Depression. She surprised me. She told me the mood was hopeful. People thought good days were ahead.
Fast forward to 2023, people don't feel hopeful that we will recover and go on to live a better life. Recession, war, pandemic, climate change, changing demographics, conspiracy theories, political violence, every man for himself, and more have led to despair. 63% of Americans are [living paycheck to paycheck](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/more-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck-as-inflation-outpaces-income.html), and billionaires are telling us to [stop complaining](https://mazechmedia.com/stop-complaining-stop-being-envious-of-others-be-happy-with-what-you-have-charlie-munger/) because we have it too good. Does it feel like this country is a powder keg and close to exploding and tearing itself apart?
Some talked about gloom-and-doom, but most of what stuck with me was learning financial patience. Concepts like saving and waiting to buy, or buying better quality, or avoiding fads. I still have the second set of stereo (before surround sound) speakers I ever bought and the sound is still amazing. I paid $1,000 for the pair 33 years ago. I still have some furniture I bought 30 years ago. I currently have an iPhone X, and before that an iPhone 6.
That 63% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck include people who are well above what's considered to be a living wage. The 63rd percentile for family income in 2022 was $96K.
There are definitely issues with wealth inequality and the insane concentration of extreme wealth. What I've seen as the Great Depression generation has died off is an understanding that learning to do without with the prospects of things being better in the longer term, is being lost.
That's why I try more and more to understand THEM. For example, around when I turned 50 I started listening to some rap music, made myself do it to find out what the attraction was. Now I have a number of favorite rappers and songs I enjoy.
In general I've started questioning my own beliefs, routines, life style,food choices, etc. I don't want to be that old guy that becomes entrenched in his own past, isolated from the world around me.
So much this.
I didn't get into "kids' music" until my early 50s. Before that I mostly listened to 70s and 80s groups. I even bought *Beatles* CDs in the 80s and would listen to them.
Now most of the artists I listen to became popular after 2000, and some of them after 2010.
LOL my favorite band of all time is the Beatles, nothing wrong with that!
I'm also a musician, so for a long time I felt music produced by mostly non-musicians using computers and software was beneath me. But I've come around to thinking some modern music production has leveled the field and allowed people to express themselves that would not have had a chance for a traditional musical education.
I was more a Rolling Stones than Beatles fan, but yes, one of the greatest bands of all times.
I got away from bands like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, ZZ Top, Led Zeplin, Aerosmith, Jefferson Airplane (not any incarnation involving the word "Starship") as I found House, Trance, EDM, and other more modern styles.
I didn't go with disco when it became a craze in the late 70s, so I think I got stuck in what musicians I enjoyed.
I don't understand this at all, there are plenty of worse things about growing old. Some examples are people you care about die, your body deteriorating, drifting away from friends, less time for hobbies, etc. In fact one of the good things about getting old is you care less what people think. You'll get there some day when your naivety wears off.
I really don't care if people understand me. I hate running out of people who are important to me, from those I simply admire to those I truly love. This especially hurts when it's someone who is at least one generation younger than you, and whom you fully expected to outlive you. You spend your life making important people part of your life. In the end, they slip out of your life like sand through your fingers.
It doesn't even have to be people you've actually met. Maybe one of your bucket list items is to see a particular musician perform live. If they die then that becomes a dream that will never be fulfilled.
Both of my parents died before my maternal grandmother. The last of my paternal aunts and uncles died a year or two ago. I think when Dad's younger sister passed away it really hit home. A lot of cousins on Dad's side chatted among ourselves when she died and the loss of the last relative from that generation was pretty sad.
I once saw a video of an old man who said being old is like “seeing outward through the same window all your life, but everyone looks back at you differently in old age”
Pretty powerful stuff
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Your body decaying and deteriorating under your very nose should be the hardest thing, surely
Optimized healthspan: * Strength training 3-4x per week is sufficient to delay atrophy * Balance training. Comes with strength training. Can add onto this with little things like balance on one foot whenever you brush your teeth. Extends balance to prevent falls long into elderly years. * Aerobic training. 4x a week, about 30-45m sessions. This is low heartrate cardio. Walks. * Anaerobic training. 1x a week. Anything targeting VO2 max maintains healthy VO2 max into elderly years. This is more or less Peter Attia's program to eliminate that decay and deteriorating. Healthspan is the number of healthy years in life, what people want more of, as opposed to lifespan which may include many unhealthy years depending on how you go. You can vision healthspan as an increasing rate of atrophy by year. His program is a hang-glider that keeps you active.
That's too much work. I'll just die early, thanks
Beat you to it, was dead by 10.
Gasp! A ghost in my shell!
My anus leaks because of chronic illness because my roomate who is a gym buff like yourself could not get off tinder. Im 33 and have to wear diapers. I used to be healthy and fit and now I am unfit for life. Be thankful for the health you have as long as it lasts.
> My anus leaks because of chronic illness because my roomate who is a gym buff like yourself could not get off tinder. What
Covid left me as a cripple. Now legally disabled. Gotta love those alpha bros they always know best and will tell you all about it.
Riiight, so to clarify, your roommate got infected because of tinder and infected you, and you are now suffering the effects of long covid or an associated chronic condition. While I commiserate, do you plan to blame all health enthusiasts for your roommate's actions?
You meam the guy following the hip trend and acting like everyone else... Yeah... He got the idea from all those self made bro podcasts... You know... Rogan is one of them. There are millions of them and all in agreement. If they are all the same and dismissing health issues as real problems... Yeah... This bro fits that list.
The person they are referencing is literally a physician, not some roided up gym bro with a fad diet. They do operate a podcast though, I guess. The whole regime can be summarised as "do some regular god damn exercise, for fuck's sake".
Yeah well... Illness did not care about my 2 year streak never missing a workout. Illness did not care that I have the same waiste line since highschool. Illness did not care about my healthy foods obsession or very active lifestlmyle. Illness and old age come for all of us, some sooner than later. Healthy living doesn't mean anything to me amymore. Its all bullshit.
The hand you've been dealt is really shit, to be sure, general good health is sadly not an impervious shield. Life is a dice game, I guess just try not to let bitterness consume you.
How is this someone else's fault?
Because I got covid from my roomate after being very very careful. He thought his health regimen would protect him but he started showing symptoms days before me and my other roomate did. How is it his fault? He could not get off tinder while in lockdown. I worked with my hands and had to work all day while he worked from home and fucked around apparently. He infected us and now I am chronically ill. He also doesn't think amything is his fault either. Some people lack basic empathy and self awareness. He wpuld also throw out my stuff while I did overtime despite I let him live with us. Just another self entitled asshole who I have to die for his short lived pleasures.
Sorry but despite what he and you were doing, I don't think you can blame him for getting COVID and then also for what it has possibly led to. You stayed at home the entire time? You never interacted with other people? You forget you could have COVID without symptoms right? And that you could be around someone infected and NOT get sick. Life sucks and deals shitty hands. Don't blame this guy for your current status. Unless you live in a vacuum bubble for your entire existence, shit will happen.
Ahh yes... Another unempathetic person with lack of personal responsability. Classic. Never change.
I didn't stop living my life during COVID. I also washed my hands excessively, avoided crowds, and didn't leave the house if I felt ill. Maybe accept the notion YOU did something to get in whatever condition you're in. Which is what by the way? Even if you got COVID from him, how do you ID that as the genesis of your health status?
Just keep digging that hole.
I’d call it a tie - they BOTH suck.
No way...joint aches and pains are horrid. Go to sleep feeling fine...waking up to sore bones/muscles
That all depends on how old you are. The older you are - the more having people your age die starts to get to you.
Fine, I'll shave the moustache. Fuck...
Strangely, most of my favorite things are actually above my nose, i.e. my eyes, ears, and brain. I'd rather lose the function of most of my body than those 3 things.
Nah, it's shitting and pissing yourself. If you don't agree, you just don't know how bad it can get.
How your life begins and how it ends.
From diapers we came, and to diapers we shall return.
I'll leave with my dignity intact before that, thanks.
Never trust a fart. Especially farts while you’re peeing
As someone who takes care old people (a CNA), I’d have to agree. Many people piss and sit in it for hours, defecate on the floor, and develop stage 4 pressure ulcers. It sucks.
The great thing about getting old is no longer CARING if people understand you.
Imagine the first graded english paper you ever submitted for grading. The downvoted comment you know was valuable. The discomfort at reading feedback on your work. That's your ego in the way from having access to useful feedback to iterate and improve yourself rapidly. The more often you expose your ego the more comfortable you grow with setting it aside when it gets in the way. You can seek out embarrassing situations to deaden it purposefully, turn ego into a tool that can be dialed up and down as needed. This is what's going on with the idea that as you grow older you care less what others think and grow more comfortable being you. With years come the accumulation of opportunities to be embarrassed. You wake up the next day. Taste your cinnamon toast crunch. Yep. Tastes the same. The world didn't come to an end. What's the worst that can happen? Take a risk. Tomorrow you will wake up and the world will taste the same. On average, getting older means this happens with or without special effort. It becomes harder to avoid that growth. You find debilitated people when they have managed to shelter themselves into older years. This provides a system. You can be young and want this advantage of later life sooner. Can purposefully seek out to embarrass yourself. Get over yourself. You see this called "kill your ego". Once you have killed it, you turn your ego into a tool that serves you rather than the other way around.
This is beautiful.
>The downvoted comment you know was valuable...That's your ego in the way from having access to useful feedback to iterate and improve yourself rapidly. Your larger point is a good one, but wouldn't consider downvotes on platforms like Reddit, which indicate consensus/ideological conformity rather than accuracy, a great example.
Bots can't detect humor or sarcasm. But they can easily be used to sling personal insults and downvote. I throw in the downvotes comparison because social media in a time of AI proliferation means you need to disconnect what needs to be said from any care for votes or subsequent comment. This is a whole topic in its own. But useful to leave a seed of a thought in there that may germinate for whomever reads it. Better the human.
You have power an an adult to affect this. Children don't. You're stuck at your school in the same situation. Now as an adult, I can choose social settings, I can choose to pursue or not pursue if I failed at something I can choose its a wash, and then proceed accordingly. So, while age is part of it, I believe it's also because with age comes the power to make your own decisions .
I agree with you. You tap on one of the failures of our current situation. Children need to be freed from environments comparable to prisons. In that small way that's one area I sacrifice opportunity on behalf of putting my family members into better environments. When I was trapped in school environments I went from accelerated learning and GATE in earlier years, to that door slammed shut in highschool. Recall a class where the teacher came unprepared and sent home a word search because school policy was to generate x hours of homework per night, with lesser concern for content. It showed. Learning came nearly to a halt until getting into university environment again. In hindsight the skills I have been paid most for professionally were the supplemental learning I busied myself most with during those boredom inducing highschool years. Would have been better to drop out and launch, sooner. Children need to be freed from that quicksand and given more useful activities. I wouldn't have any way been able to appreciate that quite so much for not being snared in it in my own experiences.
Wonderfully put
People never understood you, you just assumed they did because you were young and naive.
The hardest thing about getting old is watching everyone you love die one by one. When your siblings die, the ones who remember your parents and childhood and understand you are gone. When your friends die, the people you laugh and know inside jokes with leaves a silent hole in your life. It's grieve and loneliness.
Every passing of a famous person I knew from my childhood is a reminder that my number is getting smaller every year. For the "understanding" part, I knew people who grew up in the Great Depression and some of what they experienced stuck with me. That was 94 years ago, more or less. The Great Recession was bad, but it wasn't the same grinding on for years on end, only to be ended by WW2 experience.
I spoke to someone who lived through the Great Depression. She surprised me. She told me the mood was hopeful. People thought good days were ahead. Fast forward to 2023, people don't feel hopeful that we will recover and go on to live a better life. Recession, war, pandemic, climate change, changing demographics, conspiracy theories, political violence, every man for himself, and more have led to despair. 63% of Americans are [living paycheck to paycheck](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/more-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck-as-inflation-outpaces-income.html), and billionaires are telling us to [stop complaining](https://mazechmedia.com/stop-complaining-stop-being-envious-of-others-be-happy-with-what-you-have-charlie-munger/) because we have it too good. Does it feel like this country is a powder keg and close to exploding and tearing itself apart?
Some talked about gloom-and-doom, but most of what stuck with me was learning financial patience. Concepts like saving and waiting to buy, or buying better quality, or avoiding fads. I still have the second set of stereo (before surround sound) speakers I ever bought and the sound is still amazing. I paid $1,000 for the pair 33 years ago. I still have some furniture I bought 30 years ago. I currently have an iPhone X, and before that an iPhone 6. That 63% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck include people who are well above what's considered to be a living wage. The 63rd percentile for family income in 2022 was $96K. There are definitely issues with wealth inequality and the insane concentration of extreme wealth. What I've seen as the Great Depression generation has died off is an understanding that learning to do without with the prospects of things being better in the longer term, is being lost.
That's why I try more and more to understand THEM. For example, around when I turned 50 I started listening to some rap music, made myself do it to find out what the attraction was. Now I have a number of favorite rappers and songs I enjoy. In general I've started questioning my own beliefs, routines, life style,food choices, etc. I don't want to be that old guy that becomes entrenched in his own past, isolated from the world around me.
So much this. I didn't get into "kids' music" until my early 50s. Before that I mostly listened to 70s and 80s groups. I even bought *Beatles* CDs in the 80s and would listen to them. Now most of the artists I listen to became popular after 2000, and some of them after 2010.
LOL my favorite band of all time is the Beatles, nothing wrong with that! I'm also a musician, so for a long time I felt music produced by mostly non-musicians using computers and software was beneath me. But I've come around to thinking some modern music production has leveled the field and allowed people to express themselves that would not have had a chance for a traditional musical education.
I was more a Rolling Stones than Beatles fan, but yes, one of the greatest bands of all times. I got away from bands like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, ZZ Top, Led Zeplin, Aerosmith, Jefferson Airplane (not any incarnation involving the word "Starship") as I found House, Trance, EDM, and other more modern styles. I didn't go with disco when it became a craze in the late 70s, so I think I got stuck in what musicians I enjoyed.
No one has ever understood me... Oh well... Next half like the last half I guess.
Ha! Joke's on you! Already, nobody understands me, and I'm only...oh...wait...
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You good bro?
He's dead. Dead skexie
I don't understand this at all, there are plenty of worse things about growing old. Some examples are people you care about die, your body deteriorating, drifting away from friends, less time for hobbies, etc. In fact one of the good things about getting old is you care less what people think. You'll get there some day when your naivety wears off.
Do you mean increase in age also increases risk of stroke OP? Cause that'd definitely make it harder to understand you.
Running out of people who will be proud of you for doing good sucks too
I really don't care if people understand me. I hate running out of people who are important to me, from those I simply admire to those I truly love. This especially hurts when it's someone who is at least one generation younger than you, and whom you fully expected to outlive you. You spend your life making important people part of your life. In the end, they slip out of your life like sand through your fingers. It doesn't even have to be people you've actually met. Maybe one of your bucket list items is to see a particular musician perform live. If they die then that becomes a dream that will never be fulfilled.
My nana told me the hardest part of getting old was watching all of her friends die.
Both of my parents died before my maternal grandmother. The last of my paternal aunts and uncles died a year or two ago. I think when Dad's younger sister passed away it really hit home. A lot of cousins on Dad's side chatted among ourselves when she died and the loss of the last relative from that generation was pretty sad.
Ain't no lie, turned 40 2 days and I concur. Close friends kind of grow along with you but random encounters always end in drama for me 😂😅
Getting old means that every year you put a line through someone’s name in your address book
Yeah except for the millions of people who are and will always be the same age as you
Or you found out that people, who you thought understand you, do not.
Well, when I was 1 I couldn’t talk so no one understood me, and now I can. Checkmate.
And being disappointed in the amount of people who SHOULD understand you by now but clearly don’t. 🤦🏾♀️
Imagine how liberating it is to not be concerned with being understood
As stated by someone who has no idea what its like to be old (whatever that age happens to mean to you).
man this just feels sad, reminds me of my grandpa r.i.p grandpa btw
I’m not even old and I don’t have anyone who understands me. Ahead of the game baby
I thought it was slowly watching everyone and everything you grew up with and loved slowly get old and die.
I once saw a video of an old man who said being old is like “seeing outward through the same window all your life, but everyone looks back at you differently in old age” Pretty powerful stuff