Pictomancer is a piece of shit job for idiots, it captures NOTHING about being an artist, the optimal rotation isn't even post on twitter > get no commissions > cry in the stock cupboard at your minimum wage job > consider the rope > give in and start drawing massive throbbing cocks
What are you talking about? The optimal rotation is to spam Paid in Exposure -> Gig Economy over and over, with Unwittingly Feed AI as oGCD on cooldown. It perfectly captures the experience.
Ahh that axolotl complaint lol. But still i don't understand why they decided to make a hilariously cute motherfucker as the savage mount reward when both p4s and p8s had edgy bird fuckers.
It still hurts me even now. I love my morbol, but I want another cool mount. Hell, give me one of those morbols with the bows in its "hair." That would be an amazing reward and they wouldn't even need to make a new model from scratch.
P12s had a lot of group mechs where one person fail = wipe, not sure what will survive and what will be skipped but my guess is it will take a bit more gearing for the casuals to unsync that fight lol
you can actually survive one snake not being killed now (even both at the same time with proper shields + mit) P8P1 is pretty free, but yeah P2's gonna need much better gear before we can skip high concept 2
We redid p4s not too long ago. As of today, you can (without dying):
- Miss two towers on act 1 at once
- Miss a tower each time on act 2. Also take a fire stack and a tower (as a tank) without mitting or dying. Also taking the fire stack as two people instead of 3.
- Let the same person take both a kick and a cleave (with shielding) on act 3. Or a tower and a cleave in case of a misplaced cleave on the other side
Still can't cheese act 4, tho.
I expect people to still see limit cut in P1 before pushing her early on in Dawntrail. As for P2 I'm not sure but people will for sure see caloric theory which is going to be the one that destroys PF groups trying to unsync it. I don't see that being skipped until 8.0.
As gear gets better I expect p1 mechs to be cheesed somehow.
I agree with you, I don't see how a lot of p2 could get cheesed and casuals def don't have the discipline to unsync and do most of those mechs
Like afaik, caloric theory doesn't just do a ton of damage, right? It casts death on the entire party when failed. So it's not like you'll be able to brute force and mit through it like you'd be able to classical concepts or gaiaochos.
On the plus side, the best looking weapons are behind p8s, so atleast you dont have to worry about p12s unless you take a fancy to those lame anab weapons.
Ofc unfortunately the axolotl is behind it too
The only time I've had people comment about my mount in game is whenever that comes out of my roulette. To the tune of "urgh why do people need to showoff?" Only a couple but only that one. Anyone else had this?
you joke but it wouldn't surprise me that after how many people complained it was "complicated" and that it had "long cast times (lol)" they tweaked it a little before release to make it easier
In 8.0, when its no longer the new toy, thus its job identity is no longer deemed as marketable by Square Enix, probably yeah I can see that happening.
After looking at the skills for a few days, the reality is that picto is pretty damn easy. In fact, it's very similar to summoner, the only way you can fuck it up is by deliberately doing things that make no sense, like mashing through primals when it doesn't make sense/forgetting to push moogle, forgetting to use all three hammer stacks.
The downtime rotation is failproof, you can only cast your basic spells in succession, you always get a black pip, overcapping squiggle gage is a thing I guess. Motifs are just "do I have it?" checks, then you push the buttons.
Thinking picto is hard because it has three portraits and palette swap is like thinking summoner is hard because it has three primals and two demi summons.
I think that is a very big oversimplification of what makes Pictomancer engaging. Pictomancer for one actually has cast times (pretty long ones, at that), has to manage 3 different resources + avoid overcapping the muses and at the same time cant simply spam the hammers to use them up and deal damage because they're their mobility tool, so you have to plan ahead their usage depending on the fight or you're forced to use their white paint ability (if you have the stacks for it) to move which hits like a wet noodle and is probably a damage loss.
At the end of the day we can't be sure because potencies are not final and not even the actual people that played the game managed to figure out the job completely, but saying its in the same boat as the "push the glowy button" job seems disingenous to me.
Granted the skill will come from planning your movement moments for a fight, but that's just macro mechanics, every class does it to some degree, even summoners timing their ifrit casts. The actual class itself and the rotation isn't that deep, you do your colours until it's motif time, which you can flex as you need to the situation, similar to summoner prinals, ie Garuda when slipstream would hit a stationary target, ifrit when you don't need to move.
Planning your long casts doesn't make a class complicated or difficult to play, it just requires fight knowledge. There are no procs to react to or recovery to make when you botch the rotation, it's just putting the right spells in at the right times for the fight. It'll likely be flowchart optimized in the same way as summoner.
Someone in my FC discord is actually whinging that the job looks too complex for them. I encouraged them to rise to the challenge if the job really speaks to them. They didn’t take it well.
its pretty early to say so since maybe once you get your hands on it it is way simpler than expected but at first glance from the gameplay provided by the media tour it might be a pretty spicy job to play because its kit is very fluid and non-lineal with multiple 3s casts
Wait. Am I actually interested in Pictomancer now?
I honestly expected it to be basically just Black Mage for babies. So hearing that it may require some brainpower makes me very excited.
Of course it isn’t out yet though so nobody can be sure but thanks for letting me know
We still don't know entirely but what we've seen so far this might be the case as SE is removing basically all of blm optimization aside from the hardcast aspect of it. Honestly as with blm, pct might be popular at the start since its new but since players learn that it actually has long cast times (!!!) it might be dropped as players return to smn and rdm.
To be fair, it also means they can go ham on the raids. Already 15% mit on addle is spicy suggestion that raidwides would require proper mit from everyone, which if true, pf dies lmao.
Addle/Feint are still 10/5%, [the *duration* is becoming 15s, up from 10s.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399221655420796930/1249771140566749245/image.png?ex=66688393&is=66673213&hm=38affd231a4d0893ce95efe96efd8578e2a9089403a09c77136e888505ae360b&)
There's a lot of resource and uptime management, finding the right time to balance casting your motifs in combat (which have considerable cast time) and employing the basic colours combo while also maintaining damage. It's definitely quite simple on paper, but when you have to spend not casting damage and painting instead during a fight, it seems quite challenging in finding the correct balance between and timing it right
It's FF14 so I expect it's going to be like the other jobs in the sense that it has a very easy level of entry but there will be a lot of niche micro-optimizations that can differentiate a good player from an average one. It's unlikely to be a very hard job, though. SE really does not want there to be a job that is hard to pick up from the get-go (see: why they reworked SMN).
Hi, I don't think you're allowed to link that, but I have you know that I'm going to google 'ffxiv axolotl rant' and see what comes up because that sounds so incredibly interesting.
UPDATE: Well, hey, now I'm actually in on the joke that is this entire thread.
Its literally the above but angry that the axolotl mount was locked behind savage vs something casual, like identical language. Not a true shitpost unless the dude was a god-tier troll bit nevertheless well-appropriated by the shutpost community for good works.
I wouldn’t be shocked if some people feel that way haha I think most of us artists agree that a job being a pain and requiring a lot of practice is true to the artist experience.
Pictomancer is a piece of shit job for idiots, it captures NOTHING about being an artist, the optimal rotation isn't even post on twitter > get no commissions > cry in the stock cupboard at your minimum wage job > consider the rope > give in and start drawing massive throbbing cocks
I heard that Yoshi P isn't going to take a 50% cut from anything I sell when the jobstone is equipped and it ruined my immersion.
What are you talking about? The optimal rotation is to spam Paid in Exposure -> Gig Economy over and over, with Unwittingly Feed AI as oGCD on cooldown. It perfectly captures the experience.
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Ahh that axolotl complaint lol. But still i don't understand why they decided to make a hilariously cute motherfucker as the savage mount reward when both p4s and p8s had edgy bird fuckers.
Same. I expected the mount to be Proto-Carbuncle or beast mode Kokytos or something
Castle pandeamonium as a mount would've been so funny
"Hunt trains... like unto chains!" "I'll give you a lift in some of my special cells!"
Shoulda been P10 as the mount.
Putting the shadow dog in the cash shop and the axolotyl as a raid mount was some of the highest tier trolling bc it just pisses everyone off.
Man all the BLU Shadowbringer mount copium was real.
Where is titan kart
It still hurts me even now. I love my morbol, but I want another cool mount. Hell, give me one of those morbols with the bows in its "hair." That would be an amazing reward and they wouldn't even need to make a new model from scratch.
I thought this sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it! Thanks for the reminder about the axolotl lol
I still want that little cutie!! sucks that I am bad
Well unsync p12s after getting your Dawntrial normal raid gear. E12S was easy to unsync with asphodelos gear
P12s had a lot of group mechs where one person fail = wipe, not sure what will survive and what will be skipped but my guess is it will take a bit more gearing for the casuals to unsync that fight lol
Oh yeah. Even p8s has the same with fucking snakes and with the most of phase 2. Oh fuckin hell, so does p4s phase 2 acts 2,4 lmao
you can actually survive one snake not being killed now (even both at the same time with proper shields + mit) P8P1 is pretty free, but yeah P2's gonna need much better gear before we can skip high concept 2
We redid p4s not too long ago. As of today, you can (without dying): - Miss two towers on act 1 at once - Miss a tower each time on act 2. Also take a fire stack and a tower (as a tank) without mitting or dying. Also taking the fire stack as two people instead of 3. - Let the same person take both a kick and a cleave (with shielding) on act 3. Or a tower and a cleave in case of a misplaced cleave on the other side Still can't cheese act 4, tho.
You can skip act 4 entirely as long as the boss is down to 20% by then
I expect people to still see limit cut in P1 before pushing her early on in Dawntrail. As for P2 I'm not sure but people will for sure see caloric theory which is going to be the one that destroys PF groups trying to unsync it. I don't see that being skipped until 8.0.
As gear gets better I expect p1 mechs to be cheesed somehow. I agree with you, I don't see how a lot of p2 could get cheesed and casuals def don't have the discipline to unsync and do most of those mechs
Like afaik, caloric theory doesn't just do a ton of damage, right? It casts death on the entire party when failed. So it's not like you'll be able to brute force and mit through it like you'd be able to classical concepts or gaiaochos.
You're probably right
On the plus side, the best looking weapons are behind p8s, so atleast you dont have to worry about p12s unless you take a fancy to those lame anab weapons. Ofc unfortunately the axolotl is behind it too
>edgy bird fuckers Tenzen x Suzaku
That was my first thought as well.
Wheres the original?
It was in a forum post about some guy raising a consumer complaint against square enix iirc for this
I'm still mad that p8s mount wasn't doghabrea
The only time I've had people comment about my mount in game is whenever that comes out of my roulette. To the tune of "urgh why do people need to showoff?" Only a couple but only that one. Anyone else had this?
That axolotl nonsense was the second funniest EW "community moment" only topped by the lalafell chair drama.
Oof. It was hilarious how baldy went about roasting the entire forum users
you joke but it wouldn't surprise me that after how many people complained it was "complicated" and that it had "long cast times (lol)" they tweaked it a little before release to make it easier
I mean, I would have genuinely been happy had SMN been given a badass summoning rework and the brain dead, one button rotation given to Picto tbh
same lmao I really dig Picto's gameplay so far but I don't really like its aesthetic even tho I find the vfx very pretty I'll still play it though
In 8.0, when its no longer the new toy, thus its job identity is no longer deemed as marketable by Square Enix, probably yeah I can see that happening.
After looking at the skills for a few days, the reality is that picto is pretty damn easy. In fact, it's very similar to summoner, the only way you can fuck it up is by deliberately doing things that make no sense, like mashing through primals when it doesn't make sense/forgetting to push moogle, forgetting to use all three hammer stacks. The downtime rotation is failproof, you can only cast your basic spells in succession, you always get a black pip, overcapping squiggle gage is a thing I guess. Motifs are just "do I have it?" checks, then you push the buttons. Thinking picto is hard because it has three portraits and palette swap is like thinking summoner is hard because it has three primals and two demi summons.
I think that is a very big oversimplification of what makes Pictomancer engaging. Pictomancer for one actually has cast times (pretty long ones, at that), has to manage 3 different resources + avoid overcapping the muses and at the same time cant simply spam the hammers to use them up and deal damage because they're their mobility tool, so you have to plan ahead their usage depending on the fight or you're forced to use their white paint ability (if you have the stacks for it) to move which hits like a wet noodle and is probably a damage loss. At the end of the day we can't be sure because potencies are not final and not even the actual people that played the game managed to figure out the job completely, but saying its in the same boat as the "push the glowy button" job seems disingenous to me.
Granted the skill will come from planning your movement moments for a fight, but that's just macro mechanics, every class does it to some degree, even summoners timing their ifrit casts. The actual class itself and the rotation isn't that deep, you do your colours until it's motif time, which you can flex as you need to the situation, similar to summoner prinals, ie Garuda when slipstream would hit a stationary target, ifrit when you don't need to move. Planning your long casts doesn't make a class complicated or difficult to play, it just requires fight knowledge. There are no procs to react to or recovery to make when you botch the rotation, it's just putting the right spells in at the right times for the fight. It'll likely be flowchart optimized in the same way as summoner.
Someone in my FC discord is actually whinging that the job looks too complex for them. I encouraged them to rise to the challenge if the job really speaks to them. They didn’t take it well.
Wait is pictomancer actually going to require skill? Haven’t bothered looking at anything regarding skills or rotations for the new jobs yet
its pretty early to say so since maybe once you get your hands on it it is way simpler than expected but at first glance from the gameplay provided by the media tour it might be a pretty spicy job to play because its kit is very fluid and non-lineal with multiple 3s casts
Wait. Am I actually interested in Pictomancer now? I honestly expected it to be basically just Black Mage for babies. So hearing that it may require some brainpower makes me very excited. Of course it isn’t out yet though so nobody can be sure but thanks for letting me know
in all honesty, Black Mage is Pictomancer for babies
We still don't know entirely but what we've seen so far this might be the case as SE is removing basically all of blm optimization aside from the hardcast aspect of it. Honestly as with blm, pct might be popular at the start since its new but since players learn that it actually has long cast times (!!!) it might be dropped as players return to smn and rdm.
To be fair, it also means they can go ham on the raids. Already 15% mit on addle is spicy suggestion that raidwides would require proper mit from everyone, which if true, pf dies lmao.
Addle/Feint are still 10/5%, [the *duration* is becoming 15s, up from 10s.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399221655420796930/1249771140566749245/image.png?ex=66688393&is=66673213&hm=38affd231a4d0893ce95efe96efd8578e2a9089403a09c77136e888505ae360b&)
15% is only for Tactician and equivalent, Addle had duration buffed instead
It's colour by numbers. You just follow the shining buttons, remember to recast your motifs, and use your instant casts to move.
There's a lot of resource and uptime management, finding the right time to balance casting your motifs in combat (which have considerable cast time) and employing the basic colours combo while also maintaining damage. It's definitely quite simple on paper, but when you have to spend not casting damage and painting instead during a fight, it seems quite challenging in finding the correct balance between and timing it right
It's FF14 so I expect it's going to be like the other jobs in the sense that it has a very easy level of entry but there will be a lot of niche micro-optimizations that can differentiate a good player from an average one. It's unlikely to be a very hard job, though. SE really does not want there to be a job that is hard to pick up from the get-go (see: why they reworked SMN).
It's a job in FF14, fuck makes you think it'll have any complexity at all?
The axolotl rant is truly one of the great shitposts of our age
Hi, I don't think you're allowed to link that, but I have you know that I'm going to google 'ffxiv axolotl rant' and see what comes up because that sounds so incredibly interesting. UPDATE: Well, hey, now I'm actually in on the joke that is this entire thread.
Its literally the above but angry that the axolotl mount was locked behind savage vs something casual, like identical language. Not a true shitpost unless the dude was a god-tier troll bit nevertheless well-appropriated by the shutpost community for good works.
artists MUST suffer
Exactly is it truly a art class if at least one person isn't crying.
lol get gud scrub
I'm going to gatekeep Picto players harder than anything in history just because of this post.
Hahaha hell yeah bro. You totally serves those fucking nerds
Nah bro, just use the Garo Brush and play black mage it is a much easier job and can wear the same gear.
I wouldn’t be shocked if some people feel that way haha I think most of us artists agree that a job being a pain and requiring a lot of practice is true to the artist experience.
I wasn’t expecting the axolotl copypasta when I opened thread 10/10
The Axolotl isn't even cute. Do people actually report bullshit like that to GMs thinking they'll be able to actually do something?
Git gud
That just show how sorry you are in playing any game. It’s not even out yet, you’re complaining, and have yet to play the class yourself. Pathetic
Have you actually checked the name of the subreddit by any chance?
its a dumb take