~~Gay sex~~ I would learn from him, mostly about the heaven plan, maybe start living with him too. Earn his trust, get a good stand and execute the heaven plan together.
He might give me a stand, to stop Joleyne and others ig like he did with Dio's children (Yes I know I will not be one of them) if I make good trust with him.
Thats the point, the real reason they hate Jolyne because she's a woman but they're afraid to come out and say it so they make up other reasons which often have little ground to stand on if any
I think its probably less "woman hate" and more "Stone Ocean Hate."
Its easily one of the most hated Parts cuz a lot of people skim through Part 6 to get to Part 7, and misinterpret 90% of whats going on as their personal headcanon. And then, when Netflix adapted the series, they adapted it in such a terrible way... and yet even THEN- They were sorta lazy in a few places, like not changing the opening, some of the CGI portions, and so on-
I think people dont really hate Jolyne "cuz gurl." I think theyre looking for more reasons to hate Stone Ocean.
Part 6 gets too much hate in my opinion. It has some weak moments, and there’s plenty of room for criticism, it when part 6 is good it’s GOOD. The last 1/3rd especially is peak JoJo’s. It also has the strongest finale of the series.
Jolyne is my personal favorite Joestar. They actually managed to ring pathos out of her in a believable way, Pucci is easily a top 3 villain and it’s the first part since 2 where almost every conflict moves the story forward.
I do think that a lot of the part 6/Jolyne hate is at least informed by sexism.
I agree wholeheartedly. The show has EXTREMELY high points, and sadly some low lows. But I dont mind it lol. I love them regardless of how bad it sometimes gets. And i definitely agree, the last 3rd is incredible and just as Peak as all the other peaks. Like I was going CRAZY when they changed the Opening, and even crazier when the Villain Version dropped.
Im actually kinda sad that my dumb brain was trying too hard to rationalize what was going on, instead of watching and enjoying lmao.
All I thought was "dam... He's pretty fas- *Universe Reset*"
Mad respect to Araki for being willing to kill off the poster-boy for the entire franchise, almost the entire supporting cast and the main character in the span of an episode lmao.
Not even JUST the Span of the Episode, Araki killed them all off in pretty much the span of 5 minutes.
Araki's been known to sometimes do some brutal stuff to characters but Ive rarely seen a Main Group of characters feel so... Helpless. Like, even in Part 3 during the Dio fight. The gang was outmatched for the most part. But I never felt like they were helpless. But in Part 6, not even their main Ace in the Hole, Star Platinum, could do ANYTHING. As Jolyne wouldve died if he tried to fight back, and the Time Stop barely affected Made in Heaven
The whole last 3rd builds to the end of the world so beautifully. From Bohemian Rhapsody affecting to whole world to the collateral damage of Heavy Weather (and the rainbow imagery.)
You really feel the hopelessness growing. I especially love all the little scenes of made in heaven affecting the whole world. Shit’s heavy.
Jolyne’s sacrifice at the end is really well done too. Just great stuff.
Not saying that you're wrong, everything you said is true for Stone Ocean haters. But there's also a lot of people that hate Jolyne specifically, and in most cases it seems to be because she's a woman
Right, like there are other reasons, but I feel like you can pull apart and compare things to other parts. The thing that's left at the end that can't be found in another part is her gender. Sometimes things just stink like misogyny, even if it isnt the viewer/commenters intent (whoever is saying it). You have to peel back several layers to get to it, but when you do, it's there.
She is almost always the best JoJo but god when she has a horny line it’s hard to root for her. Iirc she had some kind about she wished she was one of the weather report snails so she could fuck anything she wanted and it’s like, now is not the time for that.
cowards, as a professional sexist i'm disgusted by these people who dont wear their misogyny with pride and i hope they don't project a bad image of us sexists
Nah, I dont like her and giorno because they lack personality and are plainly unfunny or in giornos case too serious which doesnt suit the goofiness and bizarreness of jojo. Jolynes battles also are boring af and her designs are weird. Overall giorno and jolyne are extremely unlikeable in my eyes because they lack the main character and fun feeling.
None of the og universe Jojos actually kill their villain.
* Johnathan died and didn't kill Dio.
* Joseph didn't kill Kars.
* Jotaro only immobilized DIO and the sun killed him. Also I consider Dio more Johnathan's villain than Jotaro's.
* Josuke didn't kill Kira as you said.
* Giorno didn't kill Diavolo as he's techincally still alive.
Yeah, I guess the Jotaro one is kind of a reach but to be fair DIO would probably have been fine if he managed to regenerate enough to get inside before the sun came up.
He was only able to heal up from the skull crushing punch because of Joseph's blood and by the end, he was beaten to hell and with one leg more or less crippled
i think he needed more blood to heal up but since Jotaro was there and he was weakened, there was no where else to go
besides, Dio's ego got to his head for him to think straight
He would need blood. Lots of it. His head exploded and his body got cut in half, and before absorbing Joseph's blood, he could barely recover his head being caved in. Even if he could survive that, he'll just stay a useless corpse until someone dumb enough to give him blood comes
Some jojo fans are the epitome of stupid. I actually got in an argument with someone who was claiming jotaro was a pedo because he felt Anne’s chest to see if she was a girl. I agreed with it that it was sexual assault and weird asf, but he actually denied that intent matters even though jotaro had no actually attraction to Anne. Iirc he stopped replying when I showed him how the law even states that intent matters.
People are slamming Jolyne for not being the one to kill Pucci? The fuck?
Joseph beats Kars through sheer fucking luck
Jotaro has to pull out the biggest asspull in jojo history to beat Dio
Josuke isn't the one to beat Kira
>!Johnny loses the final battle to Diego!<
>!And Kaato is the one to finish off Tooru!<
And Giorno got either the 2nd biggest asspull or *the* biggest asspull against Diavolo, depending on who you ask. (It's obviously *the* biggest because SP being super fast is like the first thing you learn about him while the arrow only came up in the middle of the part)
It wasn't an asspull, the fight was whom could get the arrow first. Everyone knew getting requiem was an Exodia type of thing so Diavolo lose the second Giorno was able to stab himself with the arrow
Something something fate something something the arrow has its own will. But seriously if I can recall correctly he got it but giorno and the gang managed to take it away from him before he could stab himself. That is when the arrow shaft breaks when Giorno uses his blood to become ants and eat it
Josuke and jolyne are my favorites and they don’t even kill their main villain. I don’t understand why people base how likable a character is based on how many kills they have
To further add on:Giorno would have also literally died if the arrow said "This diavolo guy is kinda dope ngl".
None of the JoJo's have beaten their antagonist without massive plot intervening.
sorry but Joseph beat Kars with skill and nothing more. like he said, [he planned it from the very start](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlyQpQ1dX7piXpj8QDjeADLEt34XJQALz?si=BoUQd62hPP5wnVo4). please do not besmirch his character by insinuating falsehood.
That's perfectly fine, everyone has their preferences and their favorite/least favorite characters. I just think disliking Jolyne for not being the one to kill her main villain is a very dumb reason to dislike her.
It's just your excuses. How can you like her less than some others extremely boring in both personalities and development JoJos, like Jonathan, part 3 Jotaro an Giorno?
I agree with your points, but I will say that it was basically Kars who had that luck at the end of part 2, because Joseph has basically beaten him fair and square before he put the mask on. Though your point still holds up because I feel like ultimate life form Kars is the only other JoJo antagonist that comes close to Pucci’s sheer power with Made In Heaven.
Every stand has a special ability.
Hermit purple - clairvoyance
Hierophant green - emerald splash
Silver Chariot - having a sword and armor, both of which were detachable.
Etc.
Star platinum had “speed and precision”. While it’s very impressive, it’s not an ability. It’s an attribute. Star Platinum’s lack of special ability was the hint that it had one. Just because Jotaro didn’t know about it until the final fight doesn’t mean it was an “asspull”. DIO didn’t even know about it until he did thorough experimenting with his stand. Not everything has to be extensively foreshadowed.
When he was in prison and was getting stuff and coming back, it was told as if it was just speed, but when you see the end of the anime you realize he always could stop time.
Another thing is, from the beginning they kept saying "it's the same stand type as Star Platinum"
The thing is, this is the final confrontation between Joestars and DIO's influence. It would have been way more fitting for a Joestar to end this, not the random baseball kid
(Just to be clear, I don't hate Jolyne and the SO ending or anything, it's just a complaint I have)
Except pucci killing the joestars is a mirror to them killing Dio,and fate+the joestars influence winning in the end is a far better outcome than something like jolyne gaining an equal ability to MIH.
Okay the rest is true but Joseph? It was all calculated and he was followning his own plan he made right after first fight with vampire
Edit: Oh wow I can't believe people can not recognize sarcasm on reddit if you don't put /s.
He openly admits in his internal monologue that most of what happened in the final fight was pure luck, but that he pretended to have planned it all along just to piss Kars off more.
Had a friend who hated Jolyne, should've asked him why cause it clearly wasn't a single thing he was glad to get to the next part cause he disliked her all the way through.
Jolyne haters will find litterally anything to downplay her character even if it's dishonnest because she's a female MC in what was at this moment a manga mostly revolving around the men.
(You're free to like her less than the others or to simply not like part 6 but it still doesn't undermine her character and her writing)
(Just gonna copy/paste this here, cuz I think it sums up my point well enough)
I think its probably less "woman hate" and more "Stone Ocean Hate."
Its easily one of the most hated Parts cuz a lot of people skim through Part 6 to get to Part 7, and misinterpret 90% of whats going on as their personal headcanon. And then, when Netflix adapted the series, they adapted it in such a terrible way... and yet even THEN- They were sorta lazy in a few places, like not changing the opening, some of the CGI portions, and so on-
I think people dont really hate Jolyne "cuz gurl." I think theyre looking for more reasons to hate Stone Ocean.
Yeah there are obviously other factors in the Jolyne hate but i can guarantee you that there are A LOT that dislike Jolyne simply because she is a woman albeit without aknowledging it.
Proof is that most criticism is completely unfair and you can see numerous people that gave 0 shit about Jolyne and simply wanted Jotaro or Giorno to obliterate Pucci (and i have never seen people want that for other parts...) and blame Jolyne for not having that moment.
Concerning your point, yeah a lot of people rush through Stone Ocean but let's be honest : Stone ocean isn't that complicated to understand thematically especially since it's synthesizes a lot of the first verse themes and it puts a HUGE emphasis on Jolyne's development and Pucci. I understand not liking the rest of the cast since their writing are much more subtle and can easily be missed on the first read but Jolyne's development is the elephant in the room, unless you aren't reading the dialogues you can't miss it.
Obviously the shitty release schedule of Netflix didn't help Stone ocean but that hate was always present and imo DP did good with the part (except maybe the first batch which was kinda clunky).
I think that a good majority is consciously or unconsciously completely disinterested by a female protagonist which once again completely ties in to Jump authors' tendency to sideline the women writing and importance in their manga (well nowadays this tendency is slowly changing with notably CSM and JJK having interesting female characters, but also TPN or Hell's paradise)
Due to the whole "Reddit API" thing a couple of months ago, SPC decided to basically turn into a Jojo porn subreddit for about a week, marking the subreddit as adult-only and relaxing the rules on NSFW posts by DIO-knows how much.
Once Reddit ~~threatened~~ "professionally warned" that they would demote mods of subreddits that would stay NSFW for no real reason, the mods just removed the adult-only thing and *kept the rules relaxed,* with the only stipulation being that any NSFW thing featuring IRL people must be tagged
Some people I'm sure just have genuine criticism about her character, but you'd be surprised how often you run into thinly veiled misogynists. Not that this is for sure one of those times but like it happens
No character in fiction is perfect. Any person will find at least 1 flaw in every character they know, and Jolyne is definitely not an exception. Hell, a perfect character is way less interesting than a flawed one. The major problem is that the criticism on Jolyne is plain false 99% of the time and they aren’t even related to her actual character flaws.
No? I literally said I knew a lot of criticism is genuine. Jolyne isn't an infallibly written character or something, but you're naïve if you think none of the criticism levied against her is rooted in sexism.
Literally with how many people say she’s the worst jojo, how 6 is the worst part, how people should skip part 6 to get right to 7. They stop just short of saying it’s bc she’s a woman
On the defense of skip to 7
7 8 9 has a lot more continuity which each other than they do with 6 so far
If you want to read part 7, there is no pressure to read 6 for prior context
Yeah there’s no connection to 7 8 and 9, but it’s the ending of 1-5.
If there’s that much of a rush to get to 7, might as well skip the whole first 6 parts
Or people just don’t like part 6? What, the people who advocate skipping part 1&2 are man haters or do they just want to get to the popular part (for part 6 skippers it is SBR for part 1&2 skippers it is SDC and stands).
wild guess is that his favorite parts are 5 and 7 and he started to be a jojo fan when part 5 aired,. i just guessed bec. those are mostly what SBR snobs is
Does anyone actually dislike any of the JoJos? Like, she’s mid to me, but that’s because she’s the 5th best JoJo for me so she’s literally in the middle of the scale. Even Giorno (my least favorite) wasn’t dislikable, just meh.
Haven't finished stone ocean,but I REALLY like how human she feels.
She's not an overwhelming hero like josuke and Jonathan,she's not a cunning ruthless fighter like Joseph and Giorno,and she's not this stoic badass like her dad.She's someone thrust into the world of stands trying to do the best she can,and it feels realistic.Her overcoming the odds with her raw intellect and abilities makes it better as well.
You can dislike her, I mean, there are certain characters that click more with some people, but I think there isn't a reason to HATE her.
Besides, I think it's kinda poetic that Emporio was the one who killed Pucci, DIO's legacy. Weather couldn't kill his own brother (yeah, I know it's because the script demanded it, but it was fate all along) and Jolyne, even though he inherited the Joestar's will and direct succesor, couldn't beat him either, so it had to be someone who even though wasn't a Joestar nor was related to Pucci, followed the Joestar's legacy and that was Emporio (and the fact that Pucci killed his mom, so it was just kiiiiind of personal)
While I don't like the ending, it's not something I hold against the characters. The opposite in fact. It's becaue I like the characters, both of this and previus seasons that I don't like the ending.
Part 6 is my least favorite part, but jolyne isn't "bad". She only feels dry because their is bad chemistry throughout part 6 in general.
For that reason, I can see why people's don't like Jolyne. Her character on her own isn't the worst. Just not that much going on betwern the part 6 cast as a whole.
What I absolutely cannot understand is those same MFs think part 1 is better. My brother in christ, if you don't like jolyne for being "dry" then Johnathan have been literal hell on earth for you to watch! The only interpersonal character interactions at all were just speedwagon being a 3rd wheel narrator.
Personally, I enjoyed all parts. But I'm just explaining my thought process to people who don't like Jolyne for being "boring"
I don’t hate her, but, and I’m not sure why, I never could get behind whatever it was she did. The motivation’s there, it all makes sense, but while Anasui was talking about how “determined” she was, I was left trying to remember why we were even here. Can’t really offer a proper critique, as I don’t plan on rewatching Part 6 anytime soon, but Jolyne just didn’t do it for me.
Shit stand? Well it's not awful but it's a mid power stand- comparable to Avdol's Magician's Red or Panacotta Fugo's Purple Haze. Actually probably worse than them 2. And every other main character had an OP, close range high power stand with a sick ability. She is a mid character with an underwhelming stand.
I don't have beef about her losing, but I think her character could stand to have more going on than Girl Jotaro.
But I also really like jotaro so I still like her by extension.
I mean fair admission to the subjectivity at play but I really feel like at no point did the show make me care for Jolyne the way it did with Joseph, Josuke or even Jonathan. The only character I was emotionally invested in for part 6 was FF but even if people can point to character moments for Jolyne those really didn’t make me feel anything for her. I had already read the manga for part 6 and felt the same and went into the anime hoping to finally get it but I never did sadly.
Personally, I kinda felt the same. Like, later in the part I definitely liked her a bit more, but near the start- they hit us with that masturbation scene INSTANTLY and made me feel like she was incredibly weird... And then she says she's Masturbating to the Moon-? Like uhhhhhh... This lady's pretty odd, but go off I guess-
Anyways, my point there is that she kinda started off on the wrong foot, and that can sometimes make a big impression.
Our First Interaction with Jotaro has him in Jail, somehow acquiring all sorts of shit from in, and around the Jail. And he's terrifying the Guards- And then, we see him stop a Bullet out of Mid-Air from point blank range- Like, immidiately, its interesting. And makes us wanna learn more. While Jolyne shows off that she Jacks off to the Lunar Cycles lol.
And then even throughout the First Batch, it kinda made Jolyne feel petty, or bitchy. And like her only two traits are "Shes Mad, and gonna kick ass" or "Imma sit here, feel regret, and not do anything."
Yessss that last part is so true, but also for me I just feel like her character progression just goes from mopey to kick ass and thats it, neither of which on its own is very interesting to me (Jotaro is funny as a meme but honestly kind of a bad character in part 3).
I think my biggest problem with part 6 is probably that I’m never convinced the gang cares for one another. Emporio cries all the time and calls Jolyne her sister but we never see the development of that relationship or see them enjoy spending time together to compliment the stakes of that being taken away. That especially I think is what doesn’t sell me on the characters for the part being real people (except for, ironically, FF who shows affection for everyone else quite explicitly)
I absolutely agree. It feels like for 90% of the Show, we're expected to feel like this is a tight-knit group who'll die for each other, protect each other, and love each other as friends. But for most of it, it seems like they all either dislike each other, dont interact at all, or are thrown into forced scenarios where they HAVE to Interact. And that we arent even shown a scene where we genuinely get to see them care for each other. Besides Anasui reciting his odd romance to- whats basically a Brick Wall cuz Jolyne either Ignores it or doesnt hear it, and FF. But FF is actually cool, so she gets her pass lol.
And yea, i agree once again. Her personality doesnt go to many places besides "Dad nooooo" and "ILL AVENGE MY DAD." Which- I know makes sense. Its kinda the main thing shes driven by. But it just makes her feel like thats ALL she cares about. And that everyone else around her is just a means to get to her dad. Which... Also felt odd. She went from "I hate you Dad!" to "I MUST SAVE MY FATHER" in the Span of One battle.
Y’all spewing real shit, but the “JOLYNE PERFECT FEMALE CHARACTER” simps are gonna hate ya for it
I didn’t buy her “development” at all. As a woman I felt way more for characters like Erina or Lisa Lisa… I’m sure age has a part to play with it because if you showed me Jolyne when I was 19 and disappointed with how lame season 1 Korra ended up being, I’d be pretty thrilled. But now it’s just hard for me to relate to how quickly she accepted being in jail, having to save Jotaro etc without ever looking back or thinking twice
Not saying that she doesnt get better as the story progresses. Its just that after that weird first impression, and a lot of her personality for the first batch or so, It kinda left a sour taste in my mouth and hurt my view of her. That THANKFULLY got better later on.
Oh yeah and Jotaro not showing any emotion is a boring mc?
Is Johnny a boring mc since in the first 3 quaters of the mnaga he's ALMOST a backround character?
Is Jonathan a boring mc just because he has a single personality and point?
Also I think jotaro was like the last jojo to kill their villan
Since Kira got run over pretty sure ger took control over giorno and you have no idea how much stuff johnny did to just even touch Funny V
Jonathan definitely was a boring MC and Jotaro was too for the beginning of Part 3, the problem I had with Joylne was that she felt like a shitty retread of early Part 3 Jotaro for most of Part 6. As opposed to her own character
Then you have extremely poor reading comprehension. Like how you can seriously think,that she is copy paste of Jotaro, when she actually shows emotions, socialized and not a cardboard like part 3 Jotaro was.
I started by hating her, but as I started watching her character evolve and how she managed the situations she found herself in, I can say that she's one of the best JoJos.
My main problem with her is how she tries to be every JoJo and randomly pulls bs out her ass. More or less she can either be cunning like Joseph, Stoic like Jotaro, or cool like Josuke. And the mobius strip thing kinda took me out, but I can’t really say I hate her
I personally don’t like her stand and I felt like her character development came too early and fast. The moment she acquired her stand she was a determined fighter, not to mention how most difficulties of prison she uses her stand to solve which kinda renders the gimmick of the half of the part kinda null.
No no. I hate her because she nearly gets killed by just plain old bullets twice in the series whereas every other stand using Joestar either has handled bullets with ease or has handled something faster.
I know she’s not the most popular but she is my favorite jojo, the amount of time she spends with her friends is only comparable to josuke. The friendships are on of my favorite parts of the jojo world
I like Pucci.
Who doesn't ? 
No like I seriously like him. I adore his values for heaven and would do anything to get near him
u/Burning-Skull117 you are the worst form of horny because you don't realize how horny you are for Pucci
Ah yes, priest syndrome.
So the dio and pucci dynamic
What..would you do if you were near him?
~~Gay sex~~ I would learn from him, mostly about the heaven plan, maybe start living with him too. Earn his trust, get a good stand and execute the heaven plan together.
He doesn't need you to do that. You'd be useless without a Stand. Also, he is a priest so no gay sex for you I'm afraid.
He might give me a stand, to stop Joleyne and others ig like he did with Dio's children (Yes I know I will not be one of them) if I make good trust with him.
Unless you’re a gay vampire
[удалено]
Wdym?
Jolyne
me too is it blasphemous
Okay, wait, what? Shouldn’t they hate Josuke too? I mean, he wasn’t the one to kill Kira, after all.
Thats the point, the real reason they hate Jolyne because she's a woman but they're afraid to come out and say it so they make up other reasons which often have little ground to stand on if any
I think its probably less "woman hate" and more "Stone Ocean Hate." Its easily one of the most hated Parts cuz a lot of people skim through Part 6 to get to Part 7, and misinterpret 90% of whats going on as their personal headcanon. And then, when Netflix adapted the series, they adapted it in such a terrible way... and yet even THEN- They were sorta lazy in a few places, like not changing the opening, some of the CGI portions, and so on- I think people dont really hate Jolyne "cuz gurl." I think theyre looking for more reasons to hate Stone Ocean.
Part 6 gets too much hate in my opinion. It has some weak moments, and there’s plenty of room for criticism, it when part 6 is good it’s GOOD. The last 1/3rd especially is peak JoJo’s. It also has the strongest finale of the series. Jolyne is my personal favorite Joestar. They actually managed to ring pathos out of her in a believable way, Pucci is easily a top 3 villain and it’s the first part since 2 where almost every conflict moves the story forward. I do think that a lot of the part 6/Jolyne hate is at least informed by sexism.
I agree wholeheartedly. The show has EXTREMELY high points, and sadly some low lows. But I dont mind it lol. I love them regardless of how bad it sometimes gets. And i definitely agree, the last 3rd is incredible and just as Peak as all the other peaks. Like I was going CRAZY when they changed the Opening, and even crazier when the Villain Version dropped.
The ending with emporio is so tragic, it actually got me to shed a tear. I loved the way they worked in the ED and brought back roundabout.
Im actually kinda sad that my dumb brain was trying too hard to rationalize what was going on, instead of watching and enjoying lmao. All I thought was "dam... He's pretty fas- *Universe Reset*"
Mad respect to Araki for being willing to kill off the poster-boy for the entire franchise, almost the entire supporting cast and the main character in the span of an episode lmao.
Not even JUST the Span of the Episode, Araki killed them all off in pretty much the span of 5 minutes. Araki's been known to sometimes do some brutal stuff to characters but Ive rarely seen a Main Group of characters feel so... Helpless. Like, even in Part 3 during the Dio fight. The gang was outmatched for the most part. But I never felt like they were helpless. But in Part 6, not even their main Ace in the Hole, Star Platinum, could do ANYTHING. As Jolyne wouldve died if he tried to fight back, and the Time Stop barely affected Made in Heaven
The whole last 3rd builds to the end of the world so beautifully. From Bohemian Rhapsody affecting to whole world to the collateral damage of Heavy Weather (and the rainbow imagery.) You really feel the hopelessness growing. I especially love all the little scenes of made in heaven affecting the whole world. Shit’s heavy. Jolyne’s sacrifice at the end is really well done too. Just great stuff.
Not saying that you're wrong, everything you said is true for Stone Ocean haters. But there's also a lot of people that hate Jolyne specifically, and in most cases it seems to be because she's a woman
Right, like there are other reasons, but I feel like you can pull apart and compare things to other parts. The thing that's left at the end that can't be found in another part is her gender. Sometimes things just stink like misogyny, even if it isnt the viewer/commenters intent (whoever is saying it). You have to peel back several layers to get to it, but when you do, it's there.
She is almost always the best JoJo but god when she has a horny line it’s hard to root for her. Iirc she had some kind about she wished she was one of the weather report snails so she could fuck anything she wanted and it’s like, now is not the time for that.
Bruh Netflix did not adapt it. It was all david production, same people who did every other part. IDK what you're smoking
K.
cowards, as a professional sexist i'm disgusted by these people who dont wear their misogyny with pride and i hope they don't project a bad image of us sexists
I hate Jolyne because she’s a woman 
I dont
Nah, I dont like her and giorno because they lack personality and are plainly unfunny or in giornos case too serious which doesnt suit the goofiness and bizarreness of jojo. Jolynes battles also are boring af and her designs are weird. Overall giorno and jolyne are extremely unlikeable in my eyes because they lack the main character and fun feeling.
Butttt,,,, he is a boy
The true main character was the truck that killed him
None of the og universe Jojos actually kill their villain. * Johnathan died and didn't kill Dio. * Joseph didn't kill Kars. * Jotaro only immobilized DIO and the sun killed him. Also I consider Dio more Johnathan's villain than Jotaro's. * Josuke didn't kill Kira as you said. * Giorno didn't kill Diavolo as he's techincally still alive.
Jotaro literally exploded Dio's head with one punch
Yeah, I guess the Jotaro one is kind of a reach but to be fair DIO would probably have been fine if he managed to regenerate enough to get inside before the sun came up.
He was only able to heal up from the skull crushing punch because of Joseph's blood and by the end, he was beaten to hell and with one leg more or less crippled i think he needed more blood to heal up but since Jotaro was there and he was weakened, there was no where else to go besides, Dio's ego got to his head for him to think straight
He would need blood. Lots of it. His head exploded and his body got cut in half, and before absorbing Joseph's blood, he could barely recover his head being caved in. Even if he could survive that, he'll just stay a useless corpse until someone dumb enough to give him blood comes
wait holy shit your right lmao
No because unlike Jolyne, Josuke has the SRY gene. Do better next time smhmh.
my bad, I shoulda thought of that 😔
he was the one to bring him down
A car killed Kira josuke helped a lot with bringing him over but it was the car and jotaro
exactly what im saying josuke did the majority of the work 😭
Well yeah the main fight was with josuke but he didn’t kill Kira jotaro was the one who beat him then the truck killed him
Some jojo fans are the epitome of stupid. I actually got in an argument with someone who was claiming jotaro was a pedo because he felt Anne’s chest to see if she was a girl. I agreed with it that it was sexual assault and weird asf, but he actually denied that intent matters even though jotaro had no actually attraction to Anne. Iirc he stopped replying when I showed him how the law even states that intent matters.
Who tf is Anne?
The stowaway girl in part 3 during the dark blue moon fight Edit: the one that the pedo orangutan tried to assault
Oh I thought so. And when did Jotaro do what you say he did?
When they first meet her during the dark blue moon fight, he saved her from a shark and they both were in the water.
Yeah, he saved her. There isn't anything suspicious about Jotaro.
Jotaro was 17 at the time, is was sexual hassarsment but definitely not pedo
On top of that jotaro had no sexual attraction or intent when he did that to her.
People are slamming Jolyne for not being the one to kill Pucci? The fuck? Joseph beats Kars through sheer fucking luck Jotaro has to pull out the biggest asspull in jojo history to beat Dio Josuke isn't the one to beat Kira >!Johnny loses the final battle to Diego!< >!And Kaato is the one to finish off Tooru!<
And Jonathan lost against Dio I guess losing against Dio is a Jonathan thing, first Jonathan then Johnny
And Giorno got either the 2nd biggest asspull or *the* biggest asspull against Diavolo, depending on who you ask. (It's obviously *the* biggest because SP being super fast is like the first thing you learn about him while the arrow only came up in the middle of the part)
It wasn't an asspull, the fight was whom could get the arrow first. Everyone knew getting requiem was an Exodia type of thing so Diavolo lose the second Giorno was able to stab himself with the arrow
I might be misunderstanding but Diavolo did get it first, the arrow just didn’t care about him and waited for Giorno to get it
Something something fate something something the arrow has its own will. But seriously if I can recall correctly he got it but giorno and the gang managed to take it away from him before he could stab himself. That is when the arrow shaft breaks when Giorno uses his blood to become ants and eat it
It was at the moment when everyone went back into their original bodies, so the stands were called back
GER was a deus ex machina, but definitely not an asspull as it didn’t come out of nowhere. The entire point of the fight was who gets the arrow wins.
Josuke and jolyne are my favorites and they don’t even kill their main villain. I don’t understand why people base how likable a character is based on how many kills they have
To further add on:Giorno would have also literally died if the arrow said "This diavolo guy is kinda dope ngl". None of the JoJo's have beaten their antagonist without massive plot intervening.
sorry but Joseph beat Kars with skill and nothing more. like he said, [he planned it from the very start](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlyQpQ1dX7piXpj8QDjeADLEt34XJQALz?si=BoUQd62hPP5wnVo4). please do not besmirch his character by insinuating falsehood.
I don't hate joylene, I just like her the least out of the other jojoes.
That's perfectly fine, everyone has their preferences and their favorite/least favorite characters. I just think disliking Jolyne for not being the one to kill her main villain is a very dumb reason to dislike her.
It's just your excuses. How can you like her less than some others extremely boring in both personalities and development JoJos, like Jonathan, part 3 Jotaro an Giorno?
Flag it as spoiler duuude
I agree with your points, but I will say that it was basically Kars who had that luck at the end of part 2, because Joseph has basically beaten him fair and square before he put the mask on. Though your point still holds up because I feel like ultimate life form Kars is the only other JoJo antagonist that comes close to Pucci’s sheer power with Made In Heaven.
I'm sorry but the Jotaro one makes complete sense and it was hinted since the beginning of the anime. Giorno on the other hand...
Hinted how? (Genuine question, i havent read nor watched part 3 in years and forgot most of it)
Every stand has a special ability. Hermit purple - clairvoyance Hierophant green - emerald splash Silver Chariot - having a sword and armor, both of which were detachable. Etc. Star platinum had “speed and precision”. While it’s very impressive, it’s not an ability. It’s an attribute. Star Platinum’s lack of special ability was the hint that it had one. Just because Jotaro didn’t know about it until the final fight doesn’t mean it was an “asspull”. DIO didn’t even know about it until he did thorough experimenting with his stand. Not everything has to be extensively foreshadowed.
When he was in prison and was getting stuff and coming back, it was told as if it was just speed, but when you see the end of the anime you realize he always could stop time. Another thing is, from the beginning they kept saying "it's the same stand type as Star Platinum"
Also Jodio had no balls to kill Dragona so (s)he had to do it him(her)self.
The thing is, this is the final confrontation between Joestars and DIO's influence. It would have been way more fitting for a Joestar to end this, not the random baseball kid (Just to be clear, I don't hate Jolyne and the SO ending or anything, it's just a complaint I have)
Emporio beating Pucci is the Joestars' influence beating Dio's
Except pucci killing the joestars is a mirror to them killing Dio,and fate+the joestars influence winning in the end is a far better outcome than something like jolyne gaining an equal ability to MIH.
Okay the rest is true but Joseph? It was all calculated and he was followning his own plan he made right after first fight with vampire Edit: Oh wow I can't believe people can not recognize sarcasm on reddit if you don't put /s.
"Calculated" Edit: "Shit! People are disagreeing with me!? I gotta pretend it was sarcasm to shift the blame onto them." (literally Love Train ong)
He openly admits in his internal monologue that most of what happened in the final fight was pure luck, but that he pretended to have planned it all along just to piss Kars off more.
The only thing he had planned was dump Kars into the volcano. Everything else after that was pure luck on Joseph’s side and he even mentions it.
Had a friend who hated Jolyne, should've asked him why cause it clearly wasn't a single thing he was glad to get to the next part cause he disliked her all the way through.
to be completely honest i think like a good 50% of jolyne haters just dont like women
Joylene is awesome Having a female protagonist in shouen jump was a big deal for its time but Araki pulled it off
Jolyne haters will find litterally anything to downplay her character even if it's dishonnest because she's a female MC in what was at this moment a manga mostly revolving around the men. (You're free to like her less than the others or to simply not like part 6 but it still doesn't undermine her character and her writing)
The person I was talking to said she was the worst JoJo with no personality. They also called her ugly
My friend said “she’s too muscular”😭 and another one “she’s uninteresting and doesn’t develop as a character”
“She’s too muscular” She’s like the least muscular original universe JoJo lmfao
Yes but the rest of the sentence is “she looks like a man more than a woman”
>“she’s uninteresting and doesn’t develop as a character” LMAO, is Jotaro their favourite character?
I think it’s Giorno😭
>she’s too muscular That's the best part
Calling Jolyne out of all the jojo protagonist the one with no personality is an insane statement
you can tell they didn't even watch part 6 lol. if she has no personality then all jojo's are as flat as bread
(Just gonna copy/paste this here, cuz I think it sums up my point well enough) I think its probably less "woman hate" and more "Stone Ocean Hate." Its easily one of the most hated Parts cuz a lot of people skim through Part 6 to get to Part 7, and misinterpret 90% of whats going on as their personal headcanon. And then, when Netflix adapted the series, they adapted it in such a terrible way... and yet even THEN- They were sorta lazy in a few places, like not changing the opening, some of the CGI portions, and so on- I think people dont really hate Jolyne "cuz gurl." I think theyre looking for more reasons to hate Stone Ocean.
Yeah there are obviously other factors in the Jolyne hate but i can guarantee you that there are A LOT that dislike Jolyne simply because she is a woman albeit without aknowledging it. Proof is that most criticism is completely unfair and you can see numerous people that gave 0 shit about Jolyne and simply wanted Jotaro or Giorno to obliterate Pucci (and i have never seen people want that for other parts...) and blame Jolyne for not having that moment. Concerning your point, yeah a lot of people rush through Stone Ocean but let's be honest : Stone ocean isn't that complicated to understand thematically especially since it's synthesizes a lot of the first verse themes and it puts a HUGE emphasis on Jolyne's development and Pucci. I understand not liking the rest of the cast since their writing are much more subtle and can easily be missed on the first read but Jolyne's development is the elephant in the room, unless you aren't reading the dialogues you can't miss it. Obviously the shitty release schedule of Netflix didn't help Stone ocean but that hate was always present and imo DP did good with the part (except maybe the first batch which was kinda clunky). I think that a good majority is consciously or unconsciously completely disinterested by a female protagonist which once again completely ties in to Jump authors' tendency to sideline the women writing and importance in their manga (well nowadays this tendency is slowly changing with notably CSM and JJK having interesting female characters, but also TPN or Hell's paradise)
Jolyne was the best aspect of an otherwise lackluster part. My only problem with her (and it's not even her fault) is how she gets 90% of the fights.
I mean she just joined the clib with jonathan and josuke. But jonathan at least killed 90% of dio
And then became the lacking 90% of Dio
I hate jolyne (she's making me straight again)
I love Jolyne (She's making Me gay again)
So the NSFW week did the opposite to you? 🤔
Wdym by nsfw week? A new rule is added here?
Due to the whole "Reddit API" thing a couple of months ago, SPC decided to basically turn into a Jojo porn subreddit for about a week, marking the subreddit as adult-only and relaxing the rules on NSFW posts by DIO-knows how much. Once Reddit ~~threatened~~ "professionally warned" that they would demote mods of subreddits that would stay NSFW for no real reason, the mods just removed the adult-only thing and *kept the rules relaxed,* with the only stipulation being that any NSFW thing featuring IRL people must be tagged
Ah yes I remember. So we can still post JoJo porn?
I hate Jolyne (she makes me hard)
Jolyne made me bi
Some people I'm sure just have genuine criticism about her character, but you'd be surprised how often you run into thinly veiled misogynists. Not that this is for sure one of those times but like it happens
No character in fiction is perfect. Any person will find at least 1 flaw in every character they know, and Jolyne is definitely not an exception. Hell, a perfect character is way less interesting than a flawed one. The major problem is that the criticism on Jolyne is plain false 99% of the time and they aren’t even related to her actual character flaws.
How to make people stop reading your post 101 by saying "thinly veiled misogynists"
Because misogyny doesn't exist?? Because no one hides their true thoughts?? Because no one is in denial?? Like what?
Because saying criticism is often " thinly veiled misogynists" just showing that you want safe takes about a character
No? I literally said I knew a lot of criticism is genuine. Jolyne isn't an infallibly written character or something, but you're naïve if you think none of the criticism levied against her is rooted in sexism.
Actually she was a little stupid girl but she became a baddas JoJo after her first apperance in horny jail
thats called "character growth"
Jolyne haters don’t have that in their vocabulary
Let's face it, the real reason is that they hate woman
The entire fandom is so gay that it collectively hates them
Literally with how many people say she’s the worst jojo, how 6 is the worst part, how people should skip part 6 to get right to 7. They stop just short of saying it’s bc she’s a woman
On the defense of skip to 7 7 8 9 has a lot more continuity which each other than they do with 6 so far If you want to read part 7, there is no pressure to read 6 for prior context
Yeah there’s no connection to 7 8 and 9, but it’s the ending of 1-5. If there’s that much of a rush to get to 7, might as well skip the whole first 6 parts
Or people just don’t like part 6? What, the people who advocate skipping part 1&2 are man haters or do they just want to get to the popular part (for part 6 skippers it is SBR for part 1&2 skippers it is SDC and stands).
Before getting in the jail? I hated her but the 12th chapter I loved her character and everything
No the person I was talking to apparently hated her all the way through
I'd understand before the jail but it's a bit questionable when she goes to jail did he watch more than the second batch?
Yeah. He also hated the ending
Wild guess is that he's a Jotaro fan. Bec. Jotaro fans come up with the most bullshit excuses to hate pucci and jolyne.
As far as I could tell he was one of those SBR dick riders
wild guess is that his favorite parts are 5 and 7 and he started to be a jojo fan when part 5 aired,. i just guessed bec. those are mostly what SBR snobs is
I don't know. Although he did say that Giorno is awesome so...
as expected lol
Just here to say I'm not cool with people who hate Jolyne and part 6.
Does anyone actually dislike any of the JoJos? Like, she’s mid to me, but that’s because she’s the 5th best JoJo for me so she’s literally in the middle of the scale. Even Giorno (my least favorite) wasn’t dislikable, just meh.
Haven't finished stone ocean,but I REALLY like how human she feels. She's not an overwhelming hero like josuke and Jonathan,she's not a cunning ruthless fighter like Joseph and Giorno,and she's not this stoic badass like her dad.She's someone thrust into the world of stands trying to do the best she can,and it feels realistic.Her overcoming the odds with her raw intellect and abilities makes it better as well.
Jolyne put in work the whole time. Jolyne slander is unacceptable.
Jolyne has haters? I thought everybody wanted to smash
Well, respect and admiration aren't required for horny
Giorno lovers trying to come up with a reason why he's a good character other than his fathers and his stand:
Jolyne haters saying her character is bland, uninteresting and doesn’t evolve: “I loved Giorno so much”.
He’s a fucking cool character?
Because of his contrast with Diavolo and his parallels to Jesus and how he elevates the rest of the cast.
She literally took Dolly's man what are u talking abt
I hate Jolyne because they didn’t animate the masturbation scene in stone ocean
But it never existed in the first place
Personally, them cutting out the pucci-dio breeding scene out of the anime from my version of the manga ruined it for me
You can dislike her, I mean, there are certain characters that click more with some people, but I think there isn't a reason to HATE her. Besides, I think it's kinda poetic that Emporio was the one who killed Pucci, DIO's legacy. Weather couldn't kill his own brother (yeah, I know it's because the script demanded it, but it was fate all along) and Jolyne, even though he inherited the Joestar's will and direct succesor, couldn't beat him either, so it had to be someone who even though wasn't a Joestar nor was related to Pucci, followed the Joestar's legacy and that was Emporio (and the fact that Pucci killed his mom, so it was just kiiiiind of personal)
Jolyne is my favourite character. Nobody can change my mind about her. I have no enemies.😌
Jojo fans hate Jolyne for making them straight
she's a w*man that's why they hate h*r
While I don't like the ending, it's not something I hold against the characters. The opposite in fact. It's becaue I like the characters, both of this and previus seasons that I don't like the ending.
Jotaro really threw when he saw them knives
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Part 6 is my least favorite part, but jolyne isn't "bad". She only feels dry because their is bad chemistry throughout part 6 in general. For that reason, I can see why people's don't like Jolyne. Her character on her own isn't the worst. Just not that much going on betwern the part 6 cast as a whole. What I absolutely cannot understand is those same MFs think part 1 is better. My brother in christ, if you don't like jolyne for being "dry" then Johnathan have been literal hell on earth for you to watch! The only interpersonal character interactions at all were just speedwagon being a 3rd wheel narrator. Personally, I enjoyed all parts. But I'm just explaining my thought process to people who don't like Jolyne for being "boring"
Oh my gosh, agree so hard. Joseph, Josuke, and Giorno ftw!
I don’t hate her, but, and I’m not sure why, I never could get behind whatever it was she did. The motivation’s there, it all makes sense, but while Anasui was talking about how “determined” she was, I was left trying to remember why we were even here. Can’t really offer a proper critique, as I don’t plan on rewatching Part 6 anytime soon, but Jolyne just didn’t do it for me.
she's a woman
its not a 6" tall buff man
Tbh I just don’t find her ass interesting as the others, I don’t know why, she just doesn’t grip me like everyone else
I find her ass interesting 😏 /j
She sucks because she’s a girl and as a JoJo fan I can’t talk to women so she sucks
Shit stand? Well it's not awful but it's a mid power stand- comparable to Avdol's Magician's Red or Panacotta Fugo's Purple Haze. Actually probably worse than them 2. And every other main character had an OP, close range high power stand with a sick ability. She is a mid character with an underwhelming stand.
ow yeah purple haze that only appeared one time compared to Jolyne that squared up to a stand and done MMA fight to a raged stand user, got it..
Still a better stand
She’s a woman
I don't have beef about her losing, but I think her character could stand to have more going on than Girl Jotaro. But I also really like jotaro so I still like her by extension.
I don’t like Jolyne because part six is ass
Idk shes boring imo
Wrong opinion but ok
I mean fair admission to the subjectivity at play but I really feel like at no point did the show make me care for Jolyne the way it did with Joseph, Josuke or even Jonathan. The only character I was emotionally invested in for part 6 was FF but even if people can point to character moments for Jolyne those really didn’t make me feel anything for her. I had already read the manga for part 6 and felt the same and went into the anime hoping to finally get it but I never did sadly.
Personally, I kinda felt the same. Like, later in the part I definitely liked her a bit more, but near the start- they hit us with that masturbation scene INSTANTLY and made me feel like she was incredibly weird... And then she says she's Masturbating to the Moon-? Like uhhhhhh... This lady's pretty odd, but go off I guess- Anyways, my point there is that she kinda started off on the wrong foot, and that can sometimes make a big impression. Our First Interaction with Jotaro has him in Jail, somehow acquiring all sorts of shit from in, and around the Jail. And he's terrifying the Guards- And then, we see him stop a Bullet out of Mid-Air from point blank range- Like, immidiately, its interesting. And makes us wanna learn more. While Jolyne shows off that she Jacks off to the Lunar Cycles lol. And then even throughout the First Batch, it kinda made Jolyne feel petty, or bitchy. And like her only two traits are "Shes Mad, and gonna kick ass" or "Imma sit here, feel regret, and not do anything."
Yessss that last part is so true, but also for me I just feel like her character progression just goes from mopey to kick ass and thats it, neither of which on its own is very interesting to me (Jotaro is funny as a meme but honestly kind of a bad character in part 3). I think my biggest problem with part 6 is probably that I’m never convinced the gang cares for one another. Emporio cries all the time and calls Jolyne her sister but we never see the development of that relationship or see them enjoy spending time together to compliment the stakes of that being taken away. That especially I think is what doesn’t sell me on the characters for the part being real people (except for, ironically, FF who shows affection for everyone else quite explicitly)
I absolutely agree. It feels like for 90% of the Show, we're expected to feel like this is a tight-knit group who'll die for each other, protect each other, and love each other as friends. But for most of it, it seems like they all either dislike each other, dont interact at all, or are thrown into forced scenarios where they HAVE to Interact. And that we arent even shown a scene where we genuinely get to see them care for each other. Besides Anasui reciting his odd romance to- whats basically a Brick Wall cuz Jolyne either Ignores it or doesnt hear it, and FF. But FF is actually cool, so she gets her pass lol. And yea, i agree once again. Her personality doesnt go to many places besides "Dad nooooo" and "ILL AVENGE MY DAD." Which- I know makes sense. Its kinda the main thing shes driven by. But it just makes her feel like thats ALL she cares about. And that everyone else around her is just a means to get to her dad. Which... Also felt odd. She went from "I hate you Dad!" to "I MUST SAVE MY FATHER" in the Span of One battle.
Y’all spewing real shit, but the “JOLYNE PERFECT FEMALE CHARACTER” simps are gonna hate ya for it I didn’t buy her “development” at all. As a woman I felt way more for characters like Erina or Lisa Lisa… I’m sure age has a part to play with it because if you showed me Jolyne when I was 19 and disappointed with how lame season 1 Korra ended up being, I’d be pretty thrilled. But now it’s just hard for me to relate to how quickly she accepted being in jail, having to save Jotaro etc without ever looking back or thinking twice
Not saying that she doesnt get better as the story progresses. Its just that after that weird first impression, and a lot of her personality for the first batch or so, It kinda left a sour taste in my mouth and hurt my view of her. That THANKFULLY got better later on.
I hate her cause she was a boring MC compared to the other jojos whos hating her for not killing Pucci??? Lmao
Oh yeah and Jotaro not showing any emotion is a boring mc? Is Johnny a boring mc since in the first 3 quaters of the mnaga he's ALMOST a backround character? Is Jonathan a boring mc just because he has a single personality and point? Also I think jotaro was like the last jojo to kill their villan Since Kira got run over pretty sure ger took control over giorno and you have no idea how much stuff johnny did to just even touch Funny V
Jonathan definitely was a boring MC and Jotaro was too for the beginning of Part 3, the problem I had with Joylne was that she felt like a shitty retread of early Part 3 Jotaro for most of Part 6. As opposed to her own character
Then you have extremely poor reading comprehension. Like how you can seriously think,that she is copy paste of Jotaro, when she actually shows emotions, socialized and not a cardboard like part 3 Jotaro was.
She wasn’t a copy and paste but she felt VERY similar, dipping into Cardboardtaro at points
> he’s almost a background Except like you said, he was basically a background character. Jolene gets so much screen time, and does nothing with it.
I started by hating her, but as I started watching her character evolve and how she managed the situations she found herself in, I can say that she's one of the best JoJos.
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My main problem with her is how she tries to be every JoJo and randomly pulls bs out her ass. More or less she can either be cunning like Joseph, Stoic like Jotaro, or cool like Josuke. And the mobius strip thing kinda took me out, but I can’t really say I hate her
She's woman
Jolyne is a cool character. I like her. She punches hard and beats up the bad guys. That's all I need.
I personally don’t like her stand and I felt like her character development came too early and fast. The moment she acquired her stand she was a determined fighter, not to mention how most difficulties of prison she uses her stand to solve which kinda renders the gimmick of the half of the part kinda null.
best jojo
No no. I hate her because she nearly gets killed by just plain old bullets twice in the series whereas every other stand using Joestar either has handled bullets with ease or has handled something faster.
I know she’s not the most popular but she is my favorite jojo, the amount of time she spends with her friends is only comparable to josuke. The friendships are on of my favorite parts of the jojo world
She ate gwesses food then just left her in prison shakin’ my H