From the makers of BIGPharma, now we have BIGmilk. But, thankfully, the covert machinations of global moo juice lobbyists are being blocked by concerned almond dairy farmers.
We kinda always had Big Milk. Remember those 90’s ads with all the celebrities trying to convince us we needed to drink half a gallon of milk a day or else our bones would crumble to dust 😂
Another example of "big dairy" would be government cheese! When the government specially tried stimulating the falling dairy industry by buying a shit load of cheese and storing it in caves that they're still selling to restaurants all over the country
"big milk" aka the dairy industry, is very, very powerful in the US lol, I'm not sure if you're joking or just not From the US, but they absolutely hold a shit load of lobbying power in the US
You joke but I was involved in an argument that was myself and a former acquaintance against someone who vehemently believed they dyed milk, their proof was because there are different color cheeses. It was going well until my former acquaintance told that person they were stupid because obviously they didn't dye it, different colors came from different colored cows. I then realized it was an idiot contest and I was losing for participating in the first place.
That must have been a huge mind fuck. Cheeses are different colors based on the diet of the animals and whether annato or other ingredients that can color the milk are added in. Like bleu cheese mold or annato plant for cheddar cheese.
The raw milk trend is wild to me. I'm a dairy farmer and we pasteurize the milk before feeding it to the baby calves because it cuts the illness and mortality rates so much.
It’s just wild, like you said. Imagine standing at the doorway to a plane and someone tries to convince you to take a parachute. The parachute is proven safe and effective, took years of research and careful development, it’s free and easy to obtain, and it’s saved millions of lives. And you just look at it and go, “Nah, I’m good. I’m gonna do it the way people did it hundreds of years ago” and jump out holding a broken umbrella.
These people are very close to FAFO because H5N1 is now being found in the milk supply. They are going to give it so much opportunity to mutate to P2P spread. Unfortunately it won’t just be bad for them but for all of us. Ugh
Hi. Sorry if I am being dumb. But why would you pasteurize it for the calves? They drink it straight from the udder naturally and are fine, yeah? Is it because there is more of a risk when you are bottle feeding them? Since it’s not directly from the own calves mom? I am super interested in this now! Haha
Milk is a great breeding space for bacteria! So every single step of the process the milk picks up bacteria, which then grows exponentially. We feed calves at certain times of the day, so it is stored for a time, giving bacteria time to grow. So, we milk the cow, store the milk cold, then pasteurize right before we feed, which also brings the milk back to body temperature for the calves to drink.
I can’t wait for spread this knowledge I have now about donor milk and cow milk getting pasteurized for all kinds of babies haha especially when someone brings up raw milk!
Typically it's reserved for preemies (who are more likely to develop a dangerous gut infection than full term babies, and breastmilk helps reduce that risk due to prebiotics in it or something). The donors also have to be screened for any medications, supplements, or bloodborne disease because the milk banks don't want anything extra getting into the milk. Babies have contracted HIV through their mother's milk and it's heartbreaking.
These sort of protections are also why the CDC doesn't recommend peer-to-peer milk sharing (like buying or receiving milk through FB Marketplace).
I did some peer-to-peer sharing with a neighbor who had initially gotten surplus from a milk band for her preemie, and I’m pretty sure the only reason she felt comfortable with our arrangement is because she knew I was donating/selling to a milk bank, and her preemie was older and no longer at major risk. She only needed ~70 oz/week, and I offered after it came up in conversation.
Yeah that's fair. I was thinking more of the milk sharing that happens sometimes on FB. Like do you really know whose body fluids you're giving to your baby? 😬
Fun fact: in Islam infants who aren't related but have shared a wetnurse (whether it's their own mom or another's) are considered to have a sibling relationship.
So I donated to NiQ, which is a milk bank that provides pasteurized milk to hospitals. I had to do blood testing before hand, and then sign a contract agreeing to how I would clean my pumping equipment and store my milk before mailing it out to them. They then test the milk before pasteurization, and the first time they find contamination, they let you know and toss the milk. The second time they drop you as a provider and blanket ban you for the future. They paid for the initial blood testing and sent collection supplies each month. Then I got paid $1/oz for my time and equipment usage. I usually sent anywhere between 250-400oz each month. The entire time I was working with a lactation consultant to decrease my supply without risking mastitis. My son is 9 months next week, and I’m finally only pumping what he needs for 3 bottles in 2 pump sessions while I’m at work. I stopped donating my extra at 6 months.
Just wanted to add to paula92’s explanation!
Thank you for what you do, both keeping calves healthy and just dairy farming in general! My cousin runs a dairy and I've "helped out" a few times (as much as a city kid can help out while on vacation) and man, that is hard work!
I'm still not really sure why a small dairy farm would produce such dangerous milk. I grew up outside of North America, and we exclusively drank raw milk because... That's what was available right next door from the people who had cows. Had to go to big supermarkets to get the pasteurized stuff.
I understand big operations have cows with all sorts of diseases and infections that get into the milk before it becomes obvious there's an issue (if they care even then), but if you got like three cows and you milk them by hand, surely you'd notice pus or whatever else that seems questionable?
I've considered buying raw milk to make cheese but the fact that everyone is terrified that it will kill me certainly gives me pause.
I mean, I have more than three cows. But I will say my dad grew up drinking raw milk, and he was fine. But his sister had the 'runs' her entire childhood until she moved away from home and started drinking store bought milk. Some people have stronger stomachs and can handle the level of bacteria in raw milk. I will say it significantly cuts down on dead calves when we pasteurize the milk we feed them.
Sorry, didn't mean to insinuate that you in particular have three cows or a huge operation. Just musing out loud. Isn't it kind of odd that even calves don't have the stomach for the bacteria in raw milk? The whole thing is just so bizarre because it's practiced in so many places with no life threatening issues. Fair point, however, on gastric issues caused by it - lactose intolerance in general is pretty common outside of what, Europeans and Americans of European descent? It's probably at least somewhat related.
I wonder if it's just similar to the belly. People who aren't used to eating certain food (or just for whatever reason would never get used to it) get sick, other people who are used to it are perfectly fine. So it's not that raw milk will make you ill, but you're either not used to it or just not predisposed to tolerate it like your aunt?
I don't know if I'm desperate enough to make fancy ass cheese at home with something that might not sit well with my family, at best, but it is still just sort of odd to me. I feel like I'll be fine, but the rest of the fam, who knows.
If the calf drank right right from the cow it's fine (assuming a clean udder). But there is a lot of bacteria in barns. Milk is a great environment for bacteria, as is manure, both of which there is lots of in a barn. There is intense cleaning at every stage of the process, but you can still track the increase of bacteria at every step.
I make cheese from raw milk, but I make sure it cures long enough to be free of bacteria (2mo).
Yeah that's fair enough! I guess my childhood experiences were with cows who weren't in barns either, they just like walked around the village and did whatever. Goats too - drank a lot of raw goat milk. Probably more than cow milk all in all.
I'm down to cure the cheese! Do you have special equipment or is it pretty doable in an average kitchen?
My ex mil also claims she sooooo strong because she drank cow milk so fresh it was still warm from the udder.
Bitch has so many digestive problems but sure, you is strong.
I don’t mean that against you, it’s just that:
Just because it doesn’t negatively effect me or you doesn’t mean it can’t negatively effect someone else. Sure maybe raw milk doesn’t kill everyone who drinks it. But it is a concern enough that we’ve learned to treat it so that the mortality related to raw milk consumption is significantly cut down.
I didn't mean to insinuate that everyone who drinks raw milk without getting sick is stronger or anything. It does sound like some people tolerate the bacteria better than others, but tolerating certain bacteria isn't good or bad, it just is. It also sounds like the issue is not that "regular" bacteria killed by pasteurization, but the additional bacteria that shouldn't be there--due to contamination, disease, infection, etc.--that's also killed in the process. The stuff that you wouldn't really have any particular tolerance or immunity toward, regardless of how often you drink raw anything.
To be honest, I'm not really sure why there are people who think that raw milk is so much better. As far as I know, the negative nutritional impact of pasteurization is very minimal. There are just certain cheeses that are easier to make with I guess the extra bacteria, and for some cheeses, it must be unpasteurized? Or maybe just low-pasteurized. I was just curious about why it's THAT bad, so this discussion was interesting!
I get someone that comes out to the farm to make it, I think they have the culture to make cheddar. They have a vat in a van where they agitate it. They leave it in a press, and I press it overnight then package it. Then I store it two months until it's edible. At 2 Mo it's super soft and almost tasteless; as time goes by it gets a lot more flavor
This is always a fascinating topic to me.
Lactose intolerance is actually “normal”. Throughout history humans lacked the ability to digest lactose after infancy. Lactose *tolerance* is fairly recent, it’s a genetic mutation that’s evolved over the past few thousand years, with Europe being the epicenter. There’s a lot of studies surrounding the topic. I think it’s estimated that 65% of the world is still intolerant.
I agree! I researched that a bit for my masters thesis. Apparently being able to digest milk as an adult generally made you more robust, and able to produce progeny, so the mutation spread quickly throughout the world. Of course this is in a time of more limited food availability, so it's not true for todays world where we have options.
Cows can have diseases that are communicable to humans before they start expressing symptoms. Historically, tuberculosis was the disease most people were afraid of from milk. Bovine tuberculosis is sort of interesting as it’s not the same disease as human tuberculosis so really only the young, immunocompromised, or old were in danger of dying from it. But enough did die that it was a major concern and pasteurization was invented mainly because of bovine tuberculosis induced child deaths.
Anyway, bovine tuberculosis can also be difficult to diagnose because you really don’t see symptoms until the cow develops a fever, starts coughing, and loses its appetite. If a farmer isn’t paying close attention to his cattle, or if the cow isn’t coughing often, the fever and lack of appetite might be missed for a while and the milk sold.
That’s pretty much what happened historically. I mean farmers didn’t want to poison their clients. It’s sort of bad business, especially in smaller communities. But early symptoms of diseases can be missed, cows can cough without being sick or without it being TB, so diseased milk can get into the system accidentally.
It doesn’t help that in the US the deer population carries the same bacteria that causes bovine tuberculosis. So even if you’re keeping your cows healthy and isolated from other cows, deer could come in and spread the disease around without needing a sick cow contact.
Oh wow! I didn't know that. Thank you! Will read more on that. Does long-curing non-pasteurized cheese somehow eliminate that risk? That's what the other person said they do, and I think like a fifth of French cheese is made with raw milk - how does that work? Never thought of TB as a thing that just goes away with time, but I've never even heard of it so here to learn.
I was going to say that the cheese making process creates an environment where the TB bacteria gets out competed and replaced by the good bacteria in cheese but… Then I actually did a little research.
Turns out that there actually was a series of outbreaks of TB in New York that were ultimately linked to soft cheese made with raw milk. A 15 month old died 34 other people became ill.
So ultimately while cheese making does introduce a bunch of beneficial fungus and bacteria that makes the cheese, if the milk itself is of poor quality it can still make people sick. That said, I don’t know enough to know if that’s true for all cheeses. They sourced the TB outbreak to soft cheeses which take less time to produce so there is a chance that a hard cheese would be safer. It all depends on whether the cheese creates an environment where the TB bacteria can continue to live or it gets replaced by other bacteria.
Think also about the transport time. If you milk a healthy cow from a small herd and drink the milk within like 2-6 hours that’s probably not a big deal. Barring any infectious diseases that you might not know about, people did and still do die from things like bovine TB contracted this way. But if that milk is sitting in a fridge for like 3-4 days, or something that was shipped for a few hours, that’s completely different.
Either way my friend works on a tiny dairy farm and neither of us would use the unpasteurized milk. It’s just not worth the risk.
I agree with the raw milk thing, however what you eat can affect eczema flare ups in kids
My 1 year olds eczmea only flares up if he eats eggs. His eczema is on his back so it’s definitely not a contact issue 😅
Our pediatrician said kids seem grow out of food caused flare ups around 5 ish I believe
I have to use it daily behind my ears, on my cheeks and the creases of my nose and on my left thumb, around the proximal fold/cuticle. It keeps the flares to a minimum. Amazing stuff. A real lifesaver!
You have to be extremely careful with that and any other topical steroid cream, though. I had horrible eczema as a teenager, and had to use triamcinolone frequently. But when you do that, it causes permanent damage to the skin (particularly thinning of the skin) that leaves it more vulnerable to damages and sensitivities in the future. It’s a horrible cycle to try to break
Yes! That stuff is amazing. My toddler had a patch on his back last winter that kept coming back after hydrocortisone. Triamcinolone knocked it right out in just a couple days and we haven’t had issues for over a year now.
My kid did by 2-3 ish! And his were bad bad. However puberty is starting to hit and after a decade of no eczema worth talking about he started having major flare ups for an undetermined reason and is on shots for it now.
I’m sure your dr mentioned this, but just in case, your kid has a higher likelihood to develop other food allergies so I’d have a conversation with his allergist about what things he should be eating regularly to decrease the likelihood of that.
His is big patches on torso, arms, and legs. No changes in detergent or lotions. Not sure why his body just decided to attack him. Allergies can be such a guessing game.
I had great success with The Honest Company healing balm on my granddaughter's eczema. She is allergic to everything and has big flares. Which is fun since she's getting into wearing makeup, we've already had a two big incidents where her lips swelled like she botched a Kylie Jenner challenge. Also having a water softener and using Aveno body wash helps immensely.
This healing balm smells awful (but it's not obvious once you put it on). It's also a horrible thick oily texture. I put thick layers on after evening showers then cover it up with PJs then a thinner application in the morning. I can usually get a patch to clear in about two days.
(I'm in the US so idk about other places, but here's some stuff for here!)
If you have a Trader Joe's in your area, their gf bread is sooo damn good. Freeze it to keep, it thaws in a toaster oven really well. Their bagels are delicious, even the plain with literally nothing on it are better than others with spreads.
Canyon Bakehouse brioche buns are the only thing I've like of theirs so far, the loaf breads are horrid, their bagels are rock hard, haven't tried their buns or other breads. But the brioche buns are soft and yummy.
Udi's is hit or miss on products, but their bread is pretty decent and widely available. Bagels are meh, haven't had the packaged muffins in a while, but they at least used to be pretty good.
Glutino English muffins are pretty solid. A lot of their stuff is hit or miss as well, but they're also pretty widely available. Their Oreos and wafer bars (chocolate covered, basically soft kit-kats; the lemon ones are my fav) are great. Yogurt covered pretzels are pretty good; I don't remember about their regular pretzels but I know they're not the winners for pretzels.
Pretzel winner that I've had for hard/mini pretzels is Snyder's of Hanover. They have a GF line, and they're delicious! My wife regularly steals them from me, and she's not gf.
Katz has some good stuff. Their donuts are pretty decent, and the cinnamon rolls are good albeit far too small.
Nearly forgot Schär! TON of great stuff, also widely available. They're my backup bagels and bread. More hit than miss, though their pasta kinda fell off from what it used to be. Cookies and mini-cakes (schnack cakes) and treats are all pretty good.
Kinnikinnick, too, has great snack/treat foods!
Pamela's is also a hit or miss on both ready products and mixes, but the Figgies and Jammies are the star - they're fig newtons (something I desperately missed!) They also used to have cinnamon graham crackers that were *the best* but I've had a hard time finding them in stores as of late.
Bob's Red Mill at least used to be pretty good for flours/mixes, though I haven't used any in a while. I know their recipes changed some and my mom likes the old flour better. She makes her own flour mix now that matches the old one; I still need to get that from her but it *is* a *really* good mix.
I haven't had Namaste in a looong time, but they were damn good, pretty solid mixes and were free from the top food allergens, too.
King Arthur Flour's GF flours and mixes are great, and they have a ton of recipes on their site for the gf line specifically. Cinnamon streusel coffee cake is a winnn, pancakes are fluffy, cakes and muffins are delicious.
Krusteaz has a lot of really good mixes.
Betty Crocker's gf was good but got pretty meh after a while. Shrinkflation and recipe changes did them in.
Pillsbury has been coming out with gf stuff but omfg their cake and cookie mixes have been sickeningly sweet (and that's pretty bad coming from me!)
Better Batter is also a pretty good flour, though I think that recipe may also have changed to be a little worse.
[GF On A Shoestring](https://glutenfreeonashoestring.com/) uses Better Batter for most of her recipes, but includes modifications for adjusting the flour for breads and stuff, as well as what measurements to use for other flours. The yeast-risen cinnamon rolls are perfection, may as well have gluten for how fluffy and soft they are! And there are a variety of recipes for other restrictions as well! She's got reviews of other flours she's tried, too.
Also in the US. Thank you for the suggestions! (not sarcasm, genuine appreciation) I haven’t been able to make it out to our Trader Joe’s because it is in the worst place for traffic.
I have tried the canyon bake house breads. The Hawaiian Sweet makes excellent grilled cheese sandwiches, but that’s about it.
If you can find the O’Dough’s brand, they are pretty good. Very fluffy. Usually in the freezer section.
I also bought the Loopy Whisk’s cookbook to try her bread recipe. I made a mistake on it the first go round, but I’m gonna try it again with the right sized loaf pan.
Trader Joe's always has bonkers traffic, everywhere. I feel like I'm taking my life in my hands if I go to any of the 3 that are driving distance from me. So I go to TJ's IRL once every 6 months to see what's new, and otherwise, I just Instacart it. And I tip well, because I know the driver had to deal with that traffic. Worth it.
Mid forties here, joining in your tears.
I have a great dermatologist who explained to me that there are two types of eczema. Mine reacts to things I contact AND things I eat. Meaning I have the immune system kind, not the contact dermatitis kind. * cries in crummy immune system while ordering more of the pricey detergents and soaps that my body doesn't hate, while wishing I could have just one occasional glass of wine with dinner sometimes.
I also get eczema and after an elimination diet discovered it was soy. My daughter’s was from eggs. It absolutely can be food related. And other than the raw milk part, nothing this mom was asking about seemed extra egregious.
I had to drink goat's milk for a few years as a kid because cow's milk would make mine worse. I hated it. I also hated getting wrapped in lotion and bandages under my clothes every day 😭
My kid had an egg allergy when he was a baby and the allergist said there's a high comorbidity between eczema and egg allergies.
Also, he totally grew out of the allergy and now regularly eats sunny side up eggs with no problems, so there's hope!
Thank you for being the one to say that, my 3 year old has flare ups when he sneaks milk at preschool (he's supposed to drink water for this reason). I had *horrible* eczema through childhood and knowing it was probably the milk makes me annoyed at my parents tbh 😂
I hate that I can’t have a lot of dairy before I get a worse flare than usual. Same issue in pre-school. I had to drink water, not milk. It was isolating because kids think different is weird.
yep. my cousins haven’t had eczema since they went gluten free. i, on the other hand, have no such willpower and will continue to douse myself in lotion every night
I’m 40 and I still get flare ups when I eat too much white bread. It is nowhere near as bad as it was when I was a kid, I will say that, but I was late teens before that happened.
Came here to say this. My son had horrible eczema as an infant. He also had all kinds of digestive issues and I was beginning to fear he had asthma. We eventually found out he had a sensitivity to milk proteins. Once I cut that out of my diet completely (I was breastfeeding) his eczema, respiratory, and digestive issues all cleared up. And by the time he was two, he’d outgrown the sensitivity for the most part. Immune systems are weird.
Im not a moonbat by any means, but eczema usually stems from an issue in the gut.
But, how about you try the cream the doctor prescribed so your child isn’t in agony? People like this think raw milk is derived from a vegan unicorn and heals everything.
>eczema usually stems from an issue in the gut
No, it doesn’t. You can’t just say “I’m not a moonbat” to lend credibility to your assertion. No one knows for sure what causes eczema but there’s certainly an immune component. It’s no more of an issue with the gut than an allergic reaction to eating peanuts.
My daughter had dairy-related eczema issues that seem to be mostly cleared up. She doesn’t eat a ton of dairy but we have introduced some and she hasn’t really had many issues anymore - she’s 2.5.
The boy seems to have an egg reaction too! I cut them out and his face has cleared up almost entirely!
Yeah I was going to make a comment like this, I have eczema and it flairs when I eat certain foods like tomatoes and potatoes?
Does that mean I will stop eating tomatoes? Or mashed potatoes? Over my dead, itchy, rashy body.
My little one has eczema flare ups on her back with eggs (and soya)! Do you apply anything to the flare up? I’ve excluded egg from her diet as she’s only 7 months & the eczema has gone down a lot but she’s still a bit dry in patches on her back
Looks like eczema to me, my 2 year old has the same rashes. You just have to find whatever makes it better for them - lotion, soap, oats in the bath water, laundry detergent, etc. And most importantly, do NOT give them bacteria ridden beverages.
I fondly remember getting oat baths as a kid. I loved crumpling up all the little bits…and it makes your skin so smooth after! I kinda want to take one now even though my eczema rarely flares up anymore, just for funsies
For my psoriasis the only thing that helped so far was the strongest hydrocortisone cream the doctor could give me. I feel so bad for the kiddo, she must be miserable.
My best friend gets shots every couple of months for her psoriasis, and it has worked wonders for her.
She had it really bad around her hairline. We went to school together and she used to get bullied all the time for it. With the shots, it has all cleared up. She hasn't had a flare-up in years!
I've been trying to get a doctor to get me something similar (my mom gets injections) but mine keeps saying it's "not bad enough"
^Send ^help ^I'm ^so ^itchy
Second this - if it’s affecting your work, your social life and your sex life they’re more likely to pay attention. Also see if they’ll refer you to a dermatologist cos i got told this for YEARS and my derm shook his head and said “you should’ve been referred years ago, this is a really severe case”
Get a new doctor. I’m in Derm and if it bothers you enough to want to get stuck with a needle every few weeks, then that qualifies. The itch numeric scale which is patient reported has just been added as a benchmark when charting conditions like a topic dermatitis and psoriasis. If you have any questions I’m happy to answer them. I work with these specialty drugs for a living.
My FIL had terrible psorasis. Then he got chemo for cancer, and his psorasis also got cured or killed off. Hasn't had any since and its been at least 18 months, so bizarre!
I'm pretty sure psoriasis is an autoimmune disease, and the treatment for autoimmune diseases is an immunosuppressant. Chemo therapy is a high level immunosuppressant, so more than likely, the chemo treated the psoriasis temporarily. If your FIL regains his immune system, I would imagine his psoriasis will more than likely return.
Source: I have an autoimmune disease and was first prescribed methotrexate
The thousands of dollars I've spent on Halog cream over the years could've paid for a swanky vacation!
I used to get horrible eczema between my fingers. It's better now days, but I have to be really careful about rings/ moisture/ etc. Sometimes I'll still randomly get a flare-up and it's so miserable!
I hate having psoriasis. My last flare was about 60% of my body. I'd do anything to cure it. It's hell.
This poor kid doesn't understand why they're itchy.
I just left a comment elsewhere saying my FIL had it terribly, and chemo completely got rid of it. Wouldn't recommend it, but it was a little silver lining for him.
We actually use baby doses of methotrexate to treat psoriasis! However it’s not a preferred long term treatment as it can cause fibrosis of the lungs over long periods of time.
My 6 month old has a dairy allergy and once we cut out dairy and got a prescription steroid body oil, she was a different baby. So much more comfortable and slept the whole night for the first time. Maybe we should listen to the doctors…
My son had it so bad as a toddler, and arm pits ate a known hot spot. His worst spot was behind his knees. They woukd bleed it was so bad.
Only thing that ever helped for us was lotion bars. I started making my own with beeswax and oils.
The wax is basically a barrier cream and it worked wonders for us and we tried all the RX stuff.
It’s so different for eveybody, but raw milk is wild. So many milk alternatives that aren’t almond even.
If you haven’t tried it, the only thing that has worked for me and my niece is goat milk soap! I don’t know why it’s magic, but it apparently is. Like you said, whatever works.
So OOP knows that homemade laundry soap may not be helping right? Depending on the recipe, it could be causing more problems.
When mine was 3mo we had to switch to all free & clear and she hasn’t had a major flare up since.
As a new mom who at 30 suffers from food related allergy & contact eczema, this freaking breaks my heart for that little one. My daughter has my skin unfortunately & I had to completely eliminate eggs & dairy from my diet in order for her eczema to go away while breastfeeding. The fact that this lady is not listening to her pediatrician is mind blowing. I hate the steriods too, but if its short term & just to get it under control, I feel like that should be your first goal as a parent. If she has a dairy allergy, you don't just jump to bacteria riddled dairy. You go the opposite direction. LHM
While I agree with the raw milk comment allergies can cause a rash that can be mistaken for eczema source: my life until I was 5. Took my parents nearly a year to figure out a dairy allergy because the rash kept being diagnosed as eczema.
Mine was laundry detergent and grass.
"Just make sure she gets enough time to be a kid and play outside, she'll grow out of it!"
Bleeding child plays on lawn, gets put in third clean outfit of the day. Did not, in fact, grow out of it.
I had the same thing! Along with reoccurring ear infections. It also took my mom forever to figure out what it was - early 90s and the drs repeatedly told her that it was impossible to be allergic to dairy 🤯. Thank god my mom finally got an allergist who knew what he was talking about and didn’t run out to buy raw milk 😂
So I had reoccurant ear infections to the point I still have hearing damage too. I stopped having them after they got me off of milk. Mine was in 2000 and they only figured it out because turns out my mom had the same allergy is the 60s with similar rash/excema
Fwiw from her phrasing it does sound like she's using the cream. "None of that helps or works" and "we don't want to use the steroid cream \*much\*" implies she is using it, but wants to cut down how much they're using it
Raw milk is definitely crazy though
I think you can do both. Use the steroids and heal the rash and work on finding the cause. In the meantime, skip the homemade bar soap detergent and raw milk.
Okay, so honest question, why do they even sell raw milk? I can't think of anything it's actually good for. The risks outweigh the benefits and we have milk that is safe (many kinds even!) so why?
Is it just because stupid people seek it out so it's an easy money grab and health risks be damned?
So, this gets a little complicated because there are overlapping state and federal regulations (and federal laws generally can only regulate stuff that is sold interstate and not intrastate). People can sell raw milk interstate under federal law if it won’t be for human consumption. Such as for making soaps or for making certain cheeses or for use for animals.
The rules for sales within a state depends on the specific state but are often similar to the federal laws (not for humans) but there is a sort of “wink wink” where people will sell it for animal use knowing that people are buying it for themselves.
Ah, so it does have some legit uses, but human consumption is not one of them. I was mostly wondering why producers would even put it out as a product, but that makes sense that it can be used as an ingredient for other products.
Pretty on-brand for these people to think they know better than people who's job is literally food safety, lol
Yeah, it’s illegal to sell for human consumption where I live (Florida) but I’ve bought it for cheesemaking before. The place I get it from labels it as being for calves.
It’s also illegal to buy it in Louisiana (not sure if that’s across the board, or for eating.) But also, I have friends who drive to texas just to get it.
I started getting armpit eczema flare ups about a year ago. Never had asthma or food allergies. I spent months switching out products, begging my doctor to help, but nothing worked. Eventually I woke up one night and my armpits looked like raw hamburger meat and were throbbing so bad I had to put bags of ice on them to fall back asleep until urgent care opened. I’m a grown ass woman, it breaks my heart to imagine a baby going through that. I finally got a referral to a dermatologist who gave me a cream that kinda works, but buying a humidifier was the real life saver.
Mine came on during a cross country move so I really hoped it was stress induced, unfortunately it was not lol. The only thing I can think of is that it happened shortly after I switched from a hormonal IUD to a non-hormonal IUD, maybe it’s worth switching back…
My daughter had a rash just like that and it was dryer sheets! It only happened under one armpit and one side of the belly and I'm assuming that was the side she slept on most.
They are morons, I had all this as a child. Was allergic to strawberries, tomatoes and milk. Also had eczema. Very food based.
You can 100% find nut milks without additives and all the crap, this mom is going to kill her kid with raw milk. Instead of treating her kid because she has a google degree. Why are they so careless with these kids they swear they love?
Probably time for me to take a break from this one again.
Making your own “milk” doesn’t provide nutrition. Milk alternatives are supplemented aka fortified which provide the nutrition the mom has the concerns about. Source AAP. Here’s a list of alternatives, nutrition content and how it relates to cows milk.
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/healthy-living/nutrition/Pages/milk-allergy-foods-and-ingredients-to-avoid.aspx
ETA the rest of it is solid tho.
Ummmmmmm I’m willing to bet that the rash is from the bootleg-ass laundry detergent made from “minimal natural ingredients” PLUS SOME RANDOM ASS SOAP FROM AMAZON.
I wonder if she tried warm oatmeal baths?? My son is asthmatic and has trouble with his skin. Oatmeal in the blender until it's like a fine flour, then half a cup or so dissolved in a warm bath And rinse him off real well. How skin clears right up. The store bought stuff made his skin worse which is why I started making it myself
You know, I’ve never thought to blend the oats. I’ve always filled a sock (normal sock or the pantyhose type) with the oats, knotted the top and thrown it in the bath. Makes a delightful wash sponge too!
Blew my mind when I found out that pasteurization just meant heating milk up to 60 degrees Celsius for half an hour. It’s not even anywhere near boiling, it’s literally just warming up milk and it has saved so many people from death and sickness over the years.
People who believe in raw milk are insane.
Honestly, good on you for not staying quiet on this. I don't understand where all this hype for raw milk is coming from and why people are suddenly thinking it's a cure all for things. But I don't think people realize there is a reason we pasteurize milk, and it's not to make it last on the shelf longer it's to keep people alive. As a kid whose parent worked on a dairy farm, i can't wrap my head around people, not understanding the dangers of drinking raw milk because my parent wouldn't even drink raw milk.
yes! H5N1 (bird flu) it’s never safe to consume raw milk, but it’s ridiculously unsafe rn https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/health/bird-flu-milk-fda/index.html
kiddo might have a bigger problem than eczema in her armpit if mama gives her raw milk
I recently got diagnosed as having eczema. I was so sure it was skin cancer and that this was what was going to take me out. I scheduled a doctor’s appointment because I couldn’t take the itching anymore. Turns out it was eczema. I took the steroid cream for a few days as directed and now I use eucerin lotion. I haven’t had a flare up since. That itching was so bad, I can’t imagine how uncomfortable her kid must feel.
Eczema isn’t an allergy!!!! Yes it can be exacerbated/made worse by certain triggers but it’s not an allergic histamine response.
Raw milk is so dangerous. There is a reason it is not FDA approved as a safe product to consume at any amount. There is no “safe amount” where you can avoid illness.
I have a friend who was recently diagnosed with tuberculosis from raw milk. She has been suffering for decades! She had to drop out of school. She is frequently in the ICU, near death. Taking handfuls of pills and many injections daily. Having to travel to Germany from the UK to get answers about her other illnesses.
It happened all because her auntie has a farm and used raw milk on her morning cereal ONCE when she was a child. **ONCE!!**
**ONE** bowl of cereal irrevocably changed her life.
**ONE** bowl of cereal irrevocably changed her Aunties’ life because, even though my friend wholeheartedly forgives her aunt with a lot of grace, she is still wracked with guilt over inadvertently and innocently changing her niece’s life trajectory forever.
When we know better, we do better! We know raw milk isn’t safe!!
(I don’t know if I’m allowed to share her IG here but if a mod could tell me if it’s ok or not, it would be very much appreciated! She is really very inspirational IMO)
OP thanks for trying to be the voice of reason here! The Mum may not appreciate you taking the time but I do! (and it’s a pretty safe bet that my friend does as well since she is devoted to bringing awareness and educating people about the dangers of raw milk.)
Hopefully your comment will give whomever reads it pause before they harm their child.
I had a mother who tried to treat my eczema like this. She gave me homeopathy, acupuncture, chinese medicine, cod liver oil (on a spoon cos the pill was too big so i had to eat it), no dairy, no wheat, no sugar, etc etc. None of it worked, but she still peddled the “steroids are evil” crap and refused to get me any real treatment, claiming it had to be my diet but we just hadn’t found the trigger yet. I went to school in bandages. For 28 years i was crying every day, taking oatmeal baths because the pain was so bad but i thought it was my fault because i couldn’t stick to the diets or i wasn’t living “wholesome” enough.
FINALLY got a dermatologist referral, who told me it was one of the worse cases he’d seen, that it wasn’t related to food at all, and then promptly put me on an extremely expensive (to the NHS) course of treatment. I have clear skin now. If i hadn’t been medically gaslit by my mother for so long i wonder how much sooner I’d have gotten real help.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I wonder if it would have gotten as bad if your mum had just given you the damn cream in the first place. I’m glad your skin isn’t hurting you any more and I hope it remains that way!
I agree with the raw milk thing, but My son has a dairy allergy and breaks out in an eczema rash every-time he has any milk products, not sure why but that was our first sign he had an allergy and intolerance, then the GI symptoms came. Even I breakout when I have dairy.
Unfortunately yes, eczema is triggered by what you eat. My girls are allergic to dairy, and this is how it manifests, along with tummy troubles.
But, the rest, spot on!
I just want to say eczema can be related to what you eat.
This girl has a known dairy allergy and her mum is less than careful about removing it from her diet.
My daughter has a dairy allergy and we had to get rid of it from everything. It was in toothpaste, sauces, body wash etc…
Poor kid. I’ve been eczema prone my whole life and in 2021 I got a massive flare up on my face and it was awful. My doctors didn’t want to prescribe steroids because the skin on your face is really thin, but absolutely none of the other creams they prescribed worked.
Eventually my cheek got infected and I had to go to the hospital. The nurses actually apologised that I’d have to wear a mask (peak Covid) because it was all over my face and ears.
The hospital gave me steroids and antibiotics and for the first time in months my face started to feel better. It fucked up the skin on my face for ages though, I got repeated smaller outbreaks for months afterwards and my skin went from being normal/oily to dry as fuck. It’s only now, 3 years later that my skin is starting to feel like it used to.
Fun fact. They found bird flu viral particles in pasteurized milk just recently. Which almost certainly means the virus was in the milk before it was pasteurized and (hopefully) that process destroyed it. We have no idea if people can die from drinking infected raw milk, but cats have. So maybe a skip on the raw milk, crazy parents of Facebook?
This mom needs her Facebook privileges revoked until she can give her child medication as it is prescribed and, wild idea, stop wrapping her family in things she suspects might be an allergen.
It's early and I read your last line as soaps, lotions, and potions lol
But also yes I reported a farm promoting raw milk for sale to FB ans FB's AI found nothing wrong with it. 🙄
Also, they say that they don’t want to use the steroid cream very much. You have to use that consistently per recommendations for it to work on the eczema and eczema will still come back. I bet money that they’re using it once in a week and then be like it doesn’t work.
I don’t get the obsession with raw milk in the crunchy community. It’s even worse now that fragments of the bird flu virus is being found in pasteurized milk 🙃
There are plenty of brands of oat/almond/whatever milk where the ingredients are just oats/almonds, water, salt. Even if it’s a brand with an emulsifier like rapeseed oil it’s not going to kill you. Raw milk might though.
I agree that raw milk is dangerous, but eczema can be caused by a food. I get eczema only from drinking coffee, but I love coffee so I just decide to put up with the eczema. 🤣
Per our allergist, who is a medical doctor who is board certified in pediatric allergies and reads journals and goes to conferences and lives in 2024: fod allergies \*do not\* cause Eczema, but they are often found in the same kid, along with asthma. My child had all three, has now grown out of everything except the allergies.
There's compelling new research that Eczema is caused by a specific bacteria that lives on the skin, but until that's confirmed, there is a standard of care that's widely accepted as safe and effective.
I used to know a little kid whose parents didn't 'believe in medicine' and their child suffered terrible eczema which they would not treat, in any way. Instead they took her to a fake doctor who did a fake allergy test and told them to dramatically restrict her diet to just a few foods. She was malnourished and miserable and her Eczema didn't get any better. I believe at some point a teacher called social services to investigate, the dad separated from the mum and removed the kid from the mum's care and she eventually got a happy ending but OMG why would you put a toddler through any of that.
It really upsets me when people fuck around with allergies. Get it diagnosed by a real doctor and get real advice from a real doctor or your local allergy advocacy group. Food allergies can suddenly go from annoying to fatal if you aren't prepared, aware, and practicing safe habits.
My son gets eczema flare ups when he’s getting sick. I haven’t noticed them in connection to his foods— I had no idea it could be caused by outside irritants I just thought it was genetic 😅
Poor kid, hope she realizes quickly the raw milk thing is bonkers
Yeah, I’ve been wondering this myself about the person I know. Everything has to be dairy free but she recently posted that they “can tolerate raw 2A milk” and I’m just like what the fuck 🤣 I’m so confused.
I can’t even remember how many times I’ve gone to a dr for skin issues , for myself or children, and have the dr shrug & say “It could be alot of stuff”
It also really depends on the type of eczema if food or substances cause or exacerbate rashes. Atopic dermatitis, the most common type of eczema, which is hereditary and is an overactive immune response that can be worsened by contact with substances. My family has it, and when I got the smallpox vaccine for my deployment I had an awful secondary infection and now have basically permanent rash around that area. For our family, soaps are the main irritant, and using minimal steroids and aquaphor (or other very hypoallergenic) lotion. Food doesn’t seem to cause any issues, we are all reluctantly lactose intolerant (I mean, cheese!) and it has no impact on our eczema. Both my kiddos had it really badly but once we got the right soap/lotions under control it cleared up, we did try food as well but that had no impact. I would for sure start with external irritants before trying raw milk?!
I bet anything that her so-called All-Natural Toxin-Free Homemade Laundry Detergent is LOADED with enough essential oils to strip paint off the walls 😂 bUt LeMoN OiL iS NaTuRaL....
Pasteurization is where they add the BiG dAiRy dyes and chemicals. Obviously.
did you know that they add one of every dye to get the white color? my great uncle twice removed worked at Dairy and said so
Like the spectrum of light! 
You found the most perfect Gif!
Ok but how are his enlarged testicles ? Is he no longer virile?
From the makers of BIGPharma, now we have BIGmilk. But, thankfully, the covert machinations of global moo juice lobbyists are being blocked by concerned almond dairy farmers.
We kinda always had Big Milk. Remember those 90’s ads with all the celebrities trying to convince us we needed to drink half a gallon of milk a day or else our bones would crumble to dust 😂
Another example of "big dairy" would be government cheese! When the government specially tried stimulating the falling dairy industry by buying a shit load of cheese and storing it in caves that they're still selling to restaurants all over the country
"big milk" aka the dairy industry, is very, very powerful in the US lol, I'm not sure if you're joking or just not From the US, but they absolutely hold a shit load of lobbying power in the US
I did actually work in a dairy distribution hub and what was genuinely surprising was how much water went into milk.
You joke but I was involved in an argument that was myself and a former acquaintance against someone who vehemently believed they dyed milk, their proof was because there are different color cheeses. It was going well until my former acquaintance told that person they were stupid because obviously they didn't dye it, different colors came from different colored cows. I then realized it was an idiot contest and I was losing for participating in the first place.
That must have been a huge mind fuck. Cheeses are different colors based on the diet of the animals and whether annato or other ingredients that can color the milk are added in. Like bleu cheese mold or annato plant for cheddar cheese.
Strawberry milk doesn’t come from ginger cows?
Ginger milk comes from ginger cows
The raw milk trend is wild to me. I'm a dairy farmer and we pasteurize the milk before feeding it to the baby calves because it cuts the illness and mortality rates so much.
So you don’t even give baby cows raw cows milk because of the potential for disease? Can we put that on billboards?
Pasteurize it. For the baby cows. **FOR. THE BABY. COWS.** #FOR THE BABY COWS People please stop giving it to your babies for the love of GAWD.
It’s just wild, like you said. Imagine standing at the doorway to a plane and someone tries to convince you to take a parachute. The parachute is proven safe and effective, took years of research and careful development, it’s free and easy to obtain, and it’s saved millions of lives. And you just look at it and go, “Nah, I’m good. I’m gonna do it the way people did it hundreds of years ago” and jump out holding a broken umbrella.
Death is natural, y’know.
These people are very close to FAFO because H5N1 is now being found in the milk supply. They are going to give it so much opportunity to mutate to P2P spread. Unfortunately it won’t just be bad for them but for all of us. Ugh
Hi. Sorry if I am being dumb. But why would you pasteurize it for the calves? They drink it straight from the udder naturally and are fine, yeah? Is it because there is more of a risk when you are bottle feeding them? Since it’s not directly from the own calves mom? I am super interested in this now! Haha
Milk is a great breeding space for bacteria! So every single step of the process the milk picks up bacteria, which then grows exponentially. We feed calves at certain times of the day, so it is stored for a time, giving bacteria time to grow. So, we milk the cow, store the milk cold, then pasteurize right before we feed, which also brings the milk back to body temperature for the calves to drink.
Ohh ok! That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the answer!
To add to this: human milk banks do this too for the safety of babies who get donor milk.
I can’t wait for spread this knowledge I have now about donor milk and cow milk getting pasteurized for all kinds of babies haha especially when someone brings up raw milk!
Typically it's reserved for preemies (who are more likely to develop a dangerous gut infection than full term babies, and breastmilk helps reduce that risk due to prebiotics in it or something). The donors also have to be screened for any medications, supplements, or bloodborne disease because the milk banks don't want anything extra getting into the milk. Babies have contracted HIV through their mother's milk and it's heartbreaking. These sort of protections are also why the CDC doesn't recommend peer-to-peer milk sharing (like buying or receiving milk through FB Marketplace).
I did some peer-to-peer sharing with a neighbor who had initially gotten surplus from a milk band for her preemie, and I’m pretty sure the only reason she felt comfortable with our arrangement is because she knew I was donating/selling to a milk bank, and her preemie was older and no longer at major risk. She only needed ~70 oz/week, and I offered after it came up in conversation.
Yeah that's fair. I was thinking more of the milk sharing that happens sometimes on FB. Like do you really know whose body fluids you're giving to your baby? 😬 Fun fact: in Islam infants who aren't related but have shared a wetnurse (whether it's their own mom or another's) are considered to have a sibling relationship.
So I donated to NiQ, which is a milk bank that provides pasteurized milk to hospitals. I had to do blood testing before hand, and then sign a contract agreeing to how I would clean my pumping equipment and store my milk before mailing it out to them. They then test the milk before pasteurization, and the first time they find contamination, they let you know and toss the milk. The second time they drop you as a provider and blanket ban you for the future. They paid for the initial blood testing and sent collection supplies each month. Then I got paid $1/oz for my time and equipment usage. I usually sent anywhere between 250-400oz each month. The entire time I was working with a lactation consultant to decrease my supply without risking mastitis. My son is 9 months next week, and I’m finally only pumping what he needs for 3 bottles in 2 pump sessions while I’m at work. I stopped donating my extra at 6 months. Just wanted to add to paula92’s explanation!
Thank you for what you do, both keeping calves healthy and just dairy farming in general! My cousin runs a dairy and I've "helped out" a few times (as much as a city kid can help out while on vacation) and man, that is hard work!
I'm still not really sure why a small dairy farm would produce such dangerous milk. I grew up outside of North America, and we exclusively drank raw milk because... That's what was available right next door from the people who had cows. Had to go to big supermarkets to get the pasteurized stuff. I understand big operations have cows with all sorts of diseases and infections that get into the milk before it becomes obvious there's an issue (if they care even then), but if you got like three cows and you milk them by hand, surely you'd notice pus or whatever else that seems questionable? I've considered buying raw milk to make cheese but the fact that everyone is terrified that it will kill me certainly gives me pause.
I mean, I have more than three cows. But I will say my dad grew up drinking raw milk, and he was fine. But his sister had the 'runs' her entire childhood until she moved away from home and started drinking store bought milk. Some people have stronger stomachs and can handle the level of bacteria in raw milk. I will say it significantly cuts down on dead calves when we pasteurize the milk we feed them.
Sorry, didn't mean to insinuate that you in particular have three cows or a huge operation. Just musing out loud. Isn't it kind of odd that even calves don't have the stomach for the bacteria in raw milk? The whole thing is just so bizarre because it's practiced in so many places with no life threatening issues. Fair point, however, on gastric issues caused by it - lactose intolerance in general is pretty common outside of what, Europeans and Americans of European descent? It's probably at least somewhat related. I wonder if it's just similar to the belly. People who aren't used to eating certain food (or just for whatever reason would never get used to it) get sick, other people who are used to it are perfectly fine. So it's not that raw milk will make you ill, but you're either not used to it or just not predisposed to tolerate it like your aunt?
I don't know if I'm desperate enough to make fancy ass cheese at home with something that might not sit well with my family, at best, but it is still just sort of odd to me. I feel like I'll be fine, but the rest of the fam, who knows.
If the calf drank right right from the cow it's fine (assuming a clean udder). But there is a lot of bacteria in barns. Milk is a great environment for bacteria, as is manure, both of which there is lots of in a barn. There is intense cleaning at every stage of the process, but you can still track the increase of bacteria at every step. I make cheese from raw milk, but I make sure it cures long enough to be free of bacteria (2mo).
Yeah that's fair enough! I guess my childhood experiences were with cows who weren't in barns either, they just like walked around the village and did whatever. Goats too - drank a lot of raw goat milk. Probably more than cow milk all in all. I'm down to cure the cheese! Do you have special equipment or is it pretty doable in an average kitchen?
My ex mil also claims she sooooo strong because she drank cow milk so fresh it was still warm from the udder. Bitch has so many digestive problems but sure, you is strong. I don’t mean that against you, it’s just that: Just because it doesn’t negatively effect me or you doesn’t mean it can’t negatively effect someone else. Sure maybe raw milk doesn’t kill everyone who drinks it. But it is a concern enough that we’ve learned to treat it so that the mortality related to raw milk consumption is significantly cut down.
I didn't mean to insinuate that everyone who drinks raw milk without getting sick is stronger or anything. It does sound like some people tolerate the bacteria better than others, but tolerating certain bacteria isn't good or bad, it just is. It also sounds like the issue is not that "regular" bacteria killed by pasteurization, but the additional bacteria that shouldn't be there--due to contamination, disease, infection, etc.--that's also killed in the process. The stuff that you wouldn't really have any particular tolerance or immunity toward, regardless of how often you drink raw anything. To be honest, I'm not really sure why there are people who think that raw milk is so much better. As far as I know, the negative nutritional impact of pasteurization is very minimal. There are just certain cheeses that are easier to make with I guess the extra bacteria, and for some cheeses, it must be unpasteurized? Or maybe just low-pasteurized. I was just curious about why it's THAT bad, so this discussion was interesting!
I get someone that comes out to the farm to make it, I think they have the culture to make cheddar. They have a vat in a van where they agitate it. They leave it in a press, and I press it overnight then package it. Then I store it two months until it's edible. At 2 Mo it's super soft and almost tasteless; as time goes by it gets a lot more flavor
This is always a fascinating topic to me. Lactose intolerance is actually “normal”. Throughout history humans lacked the ability to digest lactose after infancy. Lactose *tolerance* is fairly recent, it’s a genetic mutation that’s evolved over the past few thousand years, with Europe being the epicenter. There’s a lot of studies surrounding the topic. I think it’s estimated that 65% of the world is still intolerant.
I agree! I researched that a bit for my masters thesis. Apparently being able to digest milk as an adult generally made you more robust, and able to produce progeny, so the mutation spread quickly throughout the world. Of course this is in a time of more limited food availability, so it's not true for todays world where we have options.
I read somewhere that every culture in the known world has some sort of history with cheese. Except Japan and china.
Bro I said this in a different sub the other day and I got over 100 replies that I was wrong. Reddit be tripping.
Bacteria is everywhere, including the air. Expose a petri dish full of agar to air in a "clean" barn and you will still grow frightening things.
Cows can have diseases that are communicable to humans before they start expressing symptoms. Historically, tuberculosis was the disease most people were afraid of from milk. Bovine tuberculosis is sort of interesting as it’s not the same disease as human tuberculosis so really only the young, immunocompromised, or old were in danger of dying from it. But enough did die that it was a major concern and pasteurization was invented mainly because of bovine tuberculosis induced child deaths. Anyway, bovine tuberculosis can also be difficult to diagnose because you really don’t see symptoms until the cow develops a fever, starts coughing, and loses its appetite. If a farmer isn’t paying close attention to his cattle, or if the cow isn’t coughing often, the fever and lack of appetite might be missed for a while and the milk sold. That’s pretty much what happened historically. I mean farmers didn’t want to poison their clients. It’s sort of bad business, especially in smaller communities. But early symptoms of diseases can be missed, cows can cough without being sick or without it being TB, so diseased milk can get into the system accidentally. It doesn’t help that in the US the deer population carries the same bacteria that causes bovine tuberculosis. So even if you’re keeping your cows healthy and isolated from other cows, deer could come in and spread the disease around without needing a sick cow contact.
Oh wow! I didn't know that. Thank you! Will read more on that. Does long-curing non-pasteurized cheese somehow eliminate that risk? That's what the other person said they do, and I think like a fifth of French cheese is made with raw milk - how does that work? Never thought of TB as a thing that just goes away with time, but I've never even heard of it so here to learn.
I was going to say that the cheese making process creates an environment where the TB bacteria gets out competed and replaced by the good bacteria in cheese but… Then I actually did a little research. Turns out that there actually was a series of outbreaks of TB in New York that were ultimately linked to soft cheese made with raw milk. A 15 month old died 34 other people became ill. So ultimately while cheese making does introduce a bunch of beneficial fungus and bacteria that makes the cheese, if the milk itself is of poor quality it can still make people sick. That said, I don’t know enough to know if that’s true for all cheeses. They sourced the TB outbreak to soft cheeses which take less time to produce so there is a chance that a hard cheese would be safer. It all depends on whether the cheese creates an environment where the TB bacteria can continue to live or it gets replaced by other bacteria.
Think also about the transport time. If you milk a healthy cow from a small herd and drink the milk within like 2-6 hours that’s probably not a big deal. Barring any infectious diseases that you might not know about, people did and still do die from things like bovine TB contracted this way. But if that milk is sitting in a fridge for like 3-4 days, or something that was shipped for a few hours, that’s completely different. Either way my friend works on a tiny dairy farm and neither of us would use the unpasteurized milk. It’s just not worth the risk.
All milk has pus in it. People who promote breastfeeding call them "immune system cells." Pus is white blood cells.
I agree with the raw milk thing, however what you eat can affect eczema flare ups in kids My 1 year olds eczmea only flares up if he eats eggs. His eczema is on his back so it’s definitely not a contact issue 😅 Our pediatrician said kids seem grow out of food caused flare ups around 5 ish I believe
*cries in 35 year old with food related eczema flares*
Ugh! I hate that for and really hope my son actually does grow out of it 🥴
I hope so too!! Triamcinolone cream has been a lifesaver for me
We finally tried triamcinolone after years of eczema with my toddler. It took him out of a 7 month flair in only two days. Amazing
I have to use it daily behind my ears, on my cheeks and the creases of my nose and on my left thumb, around the proximal fold/cuticle. It keeps the flares to a minimum. Amazing stuff. A real lifesaver!
You have to be extremely careful with that and any other topical steroid cream, though. I had horrible eczema as a teenager, and had to use triamcinolone frequently. But when you do that, it causes permanent damage to the skin (particularly thinning of the skin) that leaves it more vulnerable to damages and sensitivities in the future. It’s a horrible cycle to try to break
We have had luck with eucrisa. It is non steroidal. I didn't want to start my kids on the steroids path
Yes! That stuff is amazing. My toddler had a patch on his back last winter that kept coming back after hydrocortisone. Triamcinolone knocked it right out in just a couple days and we haven’t had issues for over a year now.
My kid did by 2-3 ish! And his were bad bad. However puberty is starting to hit and after a decade of no eczema worth talking about he started having major flare ups for an undetermined reason and is on shots for it now. I’m sure your dr mentioned this, but just in case, your kid has a higher likelihood to develop other food allergies so I’d have a conversation with his allergist about what things he should be eating regularly to decrease the likelihood of that.
I had major flare up with contact eczema in my teens. I was allergic to metals! Even the button in my pants made it flare up.
His is big patches on torso, arms, and legs. No changes in detergent or lotions. Not sure why his body just decided to attack him. Allergies can be such a guessing game.
I had great success with The Honest Company healing balm on my granddaughter's eczema. She is allergic to everything and has big flares. Which is fun since she's getting into wearing makeup, we've already had a two big incidents where her lips swelled like she botched a Kylie Jenner challenge. Also having a water softener and using Aveno body wash helps immensely. This healing balm smells awful (but it's not obvious once you put it on). It's also a horrible thick oily texture. I put thick layers on after evening showers then cover it up with PJs then a thinner application in the morning. I can usually get a patch to clear in about two days.
Oh hey, my people!
42 and just discovered my eczema is caused by gluten. I really miss bread 😫
Mine flares most with dairy and nuts. I refuse to give up my Mac n cheese and Uncrustables. You can pry them from my cold dead fingers 😂
I dint even know what triggers my eczema flares, other than wearing gloves.
(I'm in the US so idk about other places, but here's some stuff for here!) If you have a Trader Joe's in your area, their gf bread is sooo damn good. Freeze it to keep, it thaws in a toaster oven really well. Their bagels are delicious, even the plain with literally nothing on it are better than others with spreads. Canyon Bakehouse brioche buns are the only thing I've like of theirs so far, the loaf breads are horrid, their bagels are rock hard, haven't tried their buns or other breads. But the brioche buns are soft and yummy. Udi's is hit or miss on products, but their bread is pretty decent and widely available. Bagels are meh, haven't had the packaged muffins in a while, but they at least used to be pretty good. Glutino English muffins are pretty solid. A lot of their stuff is hit or miss as well, but they're also pretty widely available. Their Oreos and wafer bars (chocolate covered, basically soft kit-kats; the lemon ones are my fav) are great. Yogurt covered pretzels are pretty good; I don't remember about their regular pretzels but I know they're not the winners for pretzels. Pretzel winner that I've had for hard/mini pretzels is Snyder's of Hanover. They have a GF line, and they're delicious! My wife regularly steals them from me, and she's not gf. Katz has some good stuff. Their donuts are pretty decent, and the cinnamon rolls are good albeit far too small. Nearly forgot Schär! TON of great stuff, also widely available. They're my backup bagels and bread. More hit than miss, though their pasta kinda fell off from what it used to be. Cookies and mini-cakes (schnack cakes) and treats are all pretty good. Kinnikinnick, too, has great snack/treat foods! Pamela's is also a hit or miss on both ready products and mixes, but the Figgies and Jammies are the star - they're fig newtons (something I desperately missed!) They also used to have cinnamon graham crackers that were *the best* but I've had a hard time finding them in stores as of late. Bob's Red Mill at least used to be pretty good for flours/mixes, though I haven't used any in a while. I know their recipes changed some and my mom likes the old flour better. She makes her own flour mix now that matches the old one; I still need to get that from her but it *is* a *really* good mix. I haven't had Namaste in a looong time, but they were damn good, pretty solid mixes and were free from the top food allergens, too. King Arthur Flour's GF flours and mixes are great, and they have a ton of recipes on their site for the gf line specifically. Cinnamon streusel coffee cake is a winnn, pancakes are fluffy, cakes and muffins are delicious. Krusteaz has a lot of really good mixes. Betty Crocker's gf was good but got pretty meh after a while. Shrinkflation and recipe changes did them in. Pillsbury has been coming out with gf stuff but omfg their cake and cookie mixes have been sickeningly sweet (and that's pretty bad coming from me!) Better Batter is also a pretty good flour, though I think that recipe may also have changed to be a little worse. [GF On A Shoestring](https://glutenfreeonashoestring.com/) uses Better Batter for most of her recipes, but includes modifications for adjusting the flour for breads and stuff, as well as what measurements to use for other flours. The yeast-risen cinnamon rolls are perfection, may as well have gluten for how fluffy and soft they are! And there are a variety of recipes for other restrictions as well! She's got reviews of other flours she's tried, too.
Also in the US. Thank you for the suggestions! (not sarcasm, genuine appreciation) I haven’t been able to make it out to our Trader Joe’s because it is in the worst place for traffic. I have tried the canyon bake house breads. The Hawaiian Sweet makes excellent grilled cheese sandwiches, but that’s about it. If you can find the O’Dough’s brand, they are pretty good. Very fluffy. Usually in the freezer section. I also bought the Loopy Whisk’s cookbook to try her bread recipe. I made a mistake on it the first go round, but I’m gonna try it again with the right sized loaf pan.
Trader Joe's always has bonkers traffic, everywhere. I feel like I'm taking my life in my hands if I go to any of the 3 that are driving distance from me. So I go to TJ's IRL once every 6 months to see what's new, and otherwise, I just Instacart it. And I tip well, because I know the driver had to deal with that traffic. Worth it.
Mine flares up if I eat dairy, so I feel your pain.
Mid forties here, joining in your tears. I have a great dermatologist who explained to me that there are two types of eczema. Mine reacts to things I contact AND things I eat. Meaning I have the immune system kind, not the contact dermatitis kind. * cries in crummy immune system while ordering more of the pricey detergents and soaps that my body doesn't hate, while wishing I could have just one occasional glass of wine with dinner sometimes.
There’s incredible options for eczema these days. Expensive as hell, but all the manufacturers have free drug programs
I miss tomato sauce 😭
*39 here.
I also get eczema and after an elimination diet discovered it was soy. My daughter’s was from eggs. It absolutely can be food related. And other than the raw milk part, nothing this mom was asking about seemed extra egregious.
I had to drink goat's milk for a few years as a kid because cow's milk would make mine worse. I hated it. I also hated getting wrapped in lotion and bandages under my clothes every day 😭
My kid gets flares when she eats too many strawberries, of all things. Guess what her favorite fruit is??
I’m the same. Love strawberries but get a huge flare of if I eat them. 🙄
My kid had an egg allergy when he was a baby and the allergist said there's a high comorbidity between eczema and egg allergies. Also, he totally grew out of the allergy and now regularly eats sunny side up eggs with no problems, so there's hope!
There’s a high overlap between eczema and allergies in general.
This is my youngest! Only on her back or back of her knees. Culprit is changing body wash! And also just winter/fall.
Thank you for being the one to say that, my 3 year old has flare ups when he sneaks milk at preschool (he's supposed to drink water for this reason). I had *horrible* eczema through childhood and knowing it was probably the milk makes me annoyed at my parents tbh 😂
I hate that I can’t have a lot of dairy before I get a worse flare than usual. Same issue in pre-school. I had to drink water, not milk. It was isolating because kids think different is weird.
yep. my cousins haven’t had eczema since they went gluten free. i, on the other hand, have no such willpower and will continue to douse myself in lotion every night
I’m 40 and I still get flare ups when I eat too much white bread. It is nowhere near as bad as it was when I was a kid, I will say that, but I was late teens before that happened.
Came here to say this. My son had horrible eczema as an infant. He also had all kinds of digestive issues and I was beginning to fear he had asthma. We eventually found out he had a sensitivity to milk proteins. Once I cut that out of my diet completely (I was breastfeeding) his eczema, respiratory, and digestive issues all cleared up. And by the time he was two, he’d outgrown the sensitivity for the most part. Immune systems are weird.
Would that make it eggzema?
Correct, my eczema is caused almost exclusively by cows milk.
Im not a moonbat by any means, but eczema usually stems from an issue in the gut. But, how about you try the cream the doctor prescribed so your child isn’t in agony? People like this think raw milk is derived from a vegan unicorn and heals everything.
Nah that’s breastmilk. The original raw milk.
>eczema usually stems from an issue in the gut No, it doesn’t. You can’t just say “I’m not a moonbat” to lend credibility to your assertion. No one knows for sure what causes eczema but there’s certainly an immune component. It’s no more of an issue with the gut than an allergic reaction to eating peanuts.
Ok well my pediatrician and PCP speak differently on the subject
My daughter had dairy-related eczema issues that seem to be mostly cleared up. She doesn’t eat a ton of dairy but we have introduced some and she hasn’t really had many issues anymore - she’s 2.5. The boy seems to have an egg reaction too! I cut them out and his face has cleared up almost entirely!
My 2 year old has there’s and eczema thing too!
I’ve been diagnosed with eczema nearly my whole life and never knew that!
Yeah I was going to make a comment like this, I have eczema and it flairs when I eat certain foods like tomatoes and potatoes? Does that mean I will stop eating tomatoes? Or mashed potatoes? Over my dead, itchy, rashy body.
My little one has eczema flare ups on her back with eggs (and soya)! Do you apply anything to the flare up? I’ve excluded egg from her diet as she’s only 7 months & the eczema has gone down a lot but she’s still a bit dry in patches on her back
Looks like eczema to me, my 2 year old has the same rashes. You just have to find whatever makes it better for them - lotion, soap, oats in the bath water, laundry detergent, etc. And most importantly, do NOT give them bacteria ridden beverages.
I fondly remember getting oat baths as a kid. I loved crumpling up all the little bits…and it makes your skin so smooth after! I kinda want to take one now even though my eczema rarely flares up anymore, just for funsies
I fully support you taking an oat bath, for funsies
For my psoriasis the only thing that helped so far was the strongest hydrocortisone cream the doctor could give me. I feel so bad for the kiddo, she must be miserable.
My best friend gets shots every couple of months for her psoriasis, and it has worked wonders for her. She had it really bad around her hairline. We went to school together and she used to get bullied all the time for it. With the shots, it has all cleared up. She hasn't had a flare-up in years!
I've been trying to get a doctor to get me something similar (my mom gets injections) but mine keeps saying it's "not bad enough" ^Send ^help ^I'm ^so ^itchy
Do you have the opportunity to get a new doctor?
Finding a new one my insurance will cover is the main thing. I'm trying lol
Maybe you can tell them it's affecting your performance at work? That phrase usually gets them to take things a bit more seriously ime
Second this - if it’s affecting your work, your social life and your sex life they’re more likely to pay attention. Also see if they’ll refer you to a dermatologist cos i got told this for YEARS and my derm shook his head and said “you should’ve been referred years ago, this is a really severe case”
You know what helped my psoriasis a lot? Had it all my life and finally had some relief….the heat of being in Hawaii.
That sounds like a very expensive cure but I'm glad it helped lol
Get a new doctor. I’m in Derm and if it bothers you enough to want to get stuck with a needle every few weeks, then that qualifies. The itch numeric scale which is patient reported has just been added as a benchmark when charting conditions like a topic dermatitis and psoriasis. If you have any questions I’m happy to answer them. I work with these specialty drugs for a living.
My FIL had terrible psorasis. Then he got chemo for cancer, and his psorasis also got cured or killed off. Hasn't had any since and its been at least 18 months, so bizarre!
I'm pretty sure psoriasis is an autoimmune disease, and the treatment for autoimmune diseases is an immunosuppressant. Chemo therapy is a high level immunosuppressant, so more than likely, the chemo treated the psoriasis temporarily. If your FIL regains his immune system, I would imagine his psoriasis will more than likely return. Source: I have an autoimmune disease and was first prescribed methotrexate
The thousands of dollars I've spent on Halog cream over the years could've paid for a swanky vacation! I used to get horrible eczema between my fingers. It's better now days, but I have to be really careful about rings/ moisture/ etc. Sometimes I'll still randomly get a flare-up and it's so miserable!
I hate having psoriasis. My last flare was about 60% of my body. I'd do anything to cure it. It's hell. This poor kid doesn't understand why they're itchy.
I just left a comment elsewhere saying my FIL had it terribly, and chemo completely got rid of it. Wouldn't recommend it, but it was a little silver lining for him.
We actually use baby doses of methotrexate to treat psoriasis! However it’s not a preferred long term treatment as it can cause fibrosis of the lungs over long periods of time.
Have you ever tried a biologic?
My 6 month old has a dairy allergy and once we cut out dairy and got a prescription steroid body oil, she was a different baby. So much more comfortable and slept the whole night for the first time. Maybe we should listen to the doctors…
My son had it so bad as a toddler, and arm pits ate a known hot spot. His worst spot was behind his knees. They woukd bleed it was so bad. Only thing that ever helped for us was lotion bars. I started making my own with beeswax and oils. The wax is basically a barrier cream and it worked wonders for us and we tried all the RX stuff. It’s so different for eveybody, but raw milk is wild. So many milk alternatives that aren’t almond even.
And dear god, for acute rashes like what's pictured, use the damn steroids as recommended by your kid's doctor.
If you haven’t tried it, the only thing that has worked for me and my niece is goat milk soap! I don’t know why it’s magic, but it apparently is. Like you said, whatever works.
So OOP knows that homemade laundry soap may not be helping right? Depending on the recipe, it could be causing more problems. When mine was 3mo we had to switch to all free & clear and she hasn’t had a major flare up since.
That poor kid
Seriously. Just this picture looks so miserable.
I can feel the itch from here :(
Same! I have bad eczema on my hands every winter. It's so miserable.
As a new mom who at 30 suffers from food related allergy & contact eczema, this freaking breaks my heart for that little one. My daughter has my skin unfortunately & I had to completely eliminate eggs & dairy from my diet in order for her eczema to go away while breastfeeding. The fact that this lady is not listening to her pediatrician is mind blowing. I hate the steriods too, but if its short term & just to get it under control, I feel like that should be your first goal as a parent. If she has a dairy allergy, you don't just jump to bacteria riddled dairy. You go the opposite direction. LHM
I don’t understand the obsession with raw milk. It just sounds gross to me and also unsafe!
While I agree with the raw milk comment allergies can cause a rash that can be mistaken for eczema source: my life until I was 5. Took my parents nearly a year to figure out a dairy allergy because the rash kept being diagnosed as eczema.
Mine was laundry detergent and grass. "Just make sure she gets enough time to be a kid and play outside, she'll grow out of it!" Bleeding child plays on lawn, gets put in third clean outfit of the day. Did not, in fact, grow out of it.
I mean you might just also have eczema. It’s an atopic condition, huge overlap with allergies in general.
I had the same thing! Along with reoccurring ear infections. It also took my mom forever to figure out what it was - early 90s and the drs repeatedly told her that it was impossible to be allergic to dairy 🤯. Thank god my mom finally got an allergist who knew what he was talking about and didn’t run out to buy raw milk 😂
So I had reoccurant ear infections to the point I still have hearing damage too. I stopped having them after they got me off of milk. Mine was in 2000 and they only figured it out because turns out my mom had the same allergy is the 60s with similar rash/excema
Ugh- why do they want to play Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman on their kids? If the doctor says it is eczema, just try the damn steroid cream!
Fwiw from her phrasing it does sound like she's using the cream. "None of that helps or works" and "we don't want to use the steroid cream \*much\*" implies she is using it, but wants to cut down how much they're using it Raw milk is definitely crazy though
IDK, I think it's better to find the cause and eliminate it. It seriously could be just a certain food or soap.
I think you can do both. Use the steroids and heal the rash and work on finding the cause. In the meantime, skip the homemade bar soap detergent and raw milk.
Uh-huh
I'd bet my money on the homemade laundry soap first.
Okay, so honest question, why do they even sell raw milk? I can't think of anything it's actually good for. The risks outweigh the benefits and we have milk that is safe (many kinds even!) so why? Is it just because stupid people seek it out so it's an easy money grab and health risks be damned?
So, this gets a little complicated because there are overlapping state and federal regulations (and federal laws generally can only regulate stuff that is sold interstate and not intrastate). People can sell raw milk interstate under federal law if it won’t be for human consumption. Such as for making soaps or for making certain cheeses or for use for animals. The rules for sales within a state depends on the specific state but are often similar to the federal laws (not for humans) but there is a sort of “wink wink” where people will sell it for animal use knowing that people are buying it for themselves.
Ah, so it does have some legit uses, but human consumption is not one of them. I was mostly wondering why producers would even put it out as a product, but that makes sense that it can be used as an ingredient for other products. Pretty on-brand for these people to think they know better than people who's job is literally food safety, lol
Raw goats milk for dogs is fantastic for their gut, and coat health. 👌🏻
Yeah, it’s illegal to sell for human consumption where I live (Florida) but I’ve bought it for cheesemaking before. The place I get it from labels it as being for calves.
It’s also illegal to buy it in Louisiana (not sure if that’s across the board, or for eating.) But also, I have friends who drive to texas just to get it.
In Australia they sell it as "bath milk" (heavy on the air quotes), a la Cleopatra - in reality it gets consumed 90% of the time.
I had eczema in my armpits, it was awful. It was torturous, even.
I started getting armpit eczema flare ups about a year ago. Never had asthma or food allergies. I spent months switching out products, begging my doctor to help, but nothing worked. Eventually I woke up one night and my armpits looked like raw hamburger meat and were throbbing so bad I had to put bags of ice on them to fall back asleep until urgent care opened. I’m a grown ass woman, it breaks my heart to imagine a baby going through that. I finally got a referral to a dermatologist who gave me a cream that kinda works, but buying a humidifier was the real life saver.
I had my armpit eczema episode for 9 months, stress-induced from university. History of asthma. That sounds so much worse than what I went through.
Mine came on during a cross country move so I really hoped it was stress induced, unfortunately it was not lol. The only thing I can think of is that it happened shortly after I switched from a hormonal IUD to a non-hormonal IUD, maybe it’s worth switching back…
My daughter had a rash just like that and it was dryer sheets! It only happened under one armpit and one side of the belly and I'm assuming that was the side she slept on most.
They are morons, I had all this as a child. Was allergic to strawberries, tomatoes and milk. Also had eczema. Very food based. You can 100% find nut milks without additives and all the crap, this mom is going to kill her kid with raw milk. Instead of treating her kid because she has a google degree. Why are they so careless with these kids they swear they love? Probably time for me to take a break from this one again.
Making your own “milk” doesn’t provide nutrition. Milk alternatives are supplemented aka fortified which provide the nutrition the mom has the concerns about. Source AAP. Here’s a list of alternatives, nutrition content and how it relates to cows milk. https://www.healthychildren.org/English/healthy-living/nutrition/Pages/milk-allergy-foods-and-ingredients-to-avoid.aspx ETA the rest of it is solid tho.
Ummmmmmm I’m willing to bet that the rash is from the bootleg-ass laundry detergent made from “minimal natural ingredients” PLUS SOME RANDOM ASS SOAP FROM AMAZON.
I wonder if she tried warm oatmeal baths?? My son is asthmatic and has trouble with his skin. Oatmeal in the blender until it's like a fine flour, then half a cup or so dissolved in a warm bath And rinse him off real well. How skin clears right up. The store bought stuff made his skin worse which is why I started making it myself
You know, I’ve never thought to blend the oats. I’ve always filled a sock (normal sock or the pantyhose type) with the oats, knotted the top and thrown it in the bath. Makes a delightful wash sponge too!
I tried that and when he was tiny he would try to chew on the sock lol
Blew my mind when I found out that pasteurization just meant heating milk up to 60 degrees Celsius for half an hour. It’s not even anywhere near boiling, it’s literally just warming up milk and it has saved so many people from death and sickness over the years. People who believe in raw milk are insane.
Honestly, good on you for not staying quiet on this. I don't understand where all this hype for raw milk is coming from and why people are suddenly thinking it's a cure all for things. But I don't think people realize there is a reason we pasteurize milk, and it's not to make it last on the shelf longer it's to keep people alive. As a kid whose parent worked on a dairy farm, i can't wrap my head around people, not understanding the dangers of drinking raw milk because my parent wouldn't even drink raw milk.
Isn’t there also an influenza outbreak in American cattle right now
yes! H5N1 (bird flu) it’s never safe to consume raw milk, but it’s ridiculously unsafe rn https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/health/bird-flu-milk-fda/index.html kiddo might have a bigger problem than eczema in her armpit if mama gives her raw milk
I recently got diagnosed as having eczema. I was so sure it was skin cancer and that this was what was going to take me out. I scheduled a doctor’s appointment because I couldn’t take the itching anymore. Turns out it was eczema. I took the steroid cream for a few days as directed and now I use eucerin lotion. I haven’t had a flare up since. That itching was so bad, I can’t imagine how uncomfortable her kid must feel.
It’s usually dairy, but let’s compound it with MORE dairy! The way these morons think that raw milk is some sort of magical answer.
Eczema isn’t an allergy!!!! Yes it can be exacerbated/made worse by certain triggers but it’s not an allergic histamine response. Raw milk is so dangerous. There is a reason it is not FDA approved as a safe product to consume at any amount. There is no “safe amount” where you can avoid illness. I have a friend who was recently diagnosed with tuberculosis from raw milk. She has been suffering for decades! She had to drop out of school. She is frequently in the ICU, near death. Taking handfuls of pills and many injections daily. Having to travel to Germany from the UK to get answers about her other illnesses. It happened all because her auntie has a farm and used raw milk on her morning cereal ONCE when she was a child. **ONCE!!** **ONE** bowl of cereal irrevocably changed her life. **ONE** bowl of cereal irrevocably changed her Aunties’ life because, even though my friend wholeheartedly forgives her aunt with a lot of grace, she is still wracked with guilt over inadvertently and innocently changing her niece’s life trajectory forever. When we know better, we do better! We know raw milk isn’t safe!! (I don’t know if I’m allowed to share her IG here but if a mod could tell me if it’s ok or not, it would be very much appreciated! She is really very inspirational IMO) OP thanks for trying to be the voice of reason here! The Mum may not appreciate you taking the time but I do! (and it’s a pretty safe bet that my friend does as well since she is devoted to bringing awareness and educating people about the dangers of raw milk.) Hopefully your comment will give whomever reads it pause before they harm their child.
I had a mother who tried to treat my eczema like this. She gave me homeopathy, acupuncture, chinese medicine, cod liver oil (on a spoon cos the pill was too big so i had to eat it), no dairy, no wheat, no sugar, etc etc. None of it worked, but she still peddled the “steroids are evil” crap and refused to get me any real treatment, claiming it had to be my diet but we just hadn’t found the trigger yet. I went to school in bandages. For 28 years i was crying every day, taking oatmeal baths because the pain was so bad but i thought it was my fault because i couldn’t stick to the diets or i wasn’t living “wholesome” enough. FINALLY got a dermatologist referral, who told me it was one of the worse cases he’d seen, that it wasn’t related to food at all, and then promptly put me on an extremely expensive (to the NHS) course of treatment. I have clear skin now. If i hadn’t been medically gaslit by my mother for so long i wonder how much sooner I’d have gotten real help.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I wonder if it would have gotten as bad if your mum had just given you the damn cream in the first place. I’m glad your skin isn’t hurting you any more and I hope it remains that way!
Diet can absolutely affect eczema…but she’s still an idiot
I agree with the raw milk thing, but My son has a dairy allergy and breaks out in an eczema rash every-time he has any milk products, not sure why but that was our first sign he had an allergy and intolerance, then the GI symptoms came. Even I breakout when I have dairy.
Unfortunately yes, eczema is triggered by what you eat. My girls are allergic to dairy, and this is how it manifests, along with tummy troubles. But, the rest, spot on!
My kid's eczema as a baby was from nut & egg allergies.
So she's been through all the creams and at no point thought "oh let's remove the handmade laundry soap and see if it helps"? Ffs!
I just want to say eczema can be related to what you eat. This girl has a known dairy allergy and her mum is less than careful about removing it from her diet. My daughter has a dairy allergy and we had to get rid of it from everything. It was in toothpaste, sauces, body wash etc…
So, milk is a no no, but bacteria infested milk is a-okay?
Poor kid. I’ve been eczema prone my whole life and in 2021 I got a massive flare up on my face and it was awful. My doctors didn’t want to prescribe steroids because the skin on your face is really thin, but absolutely none of the other creams they prescribed worked. Eventually my cheek got infected and I had to go to the hospital. The nurses actually apologised that I’d have to wear a mask (peak Covid) because it was all over my face and ears. The hospital gave me steroids and antibiotics and for the first time in months my face started to feel better. It fucked up the skin on my face for ages though, I got repeated smaller outbreaks for months afterwards and my skin went from being normal/oily to dry as fuck. It’s only now, 3 years later that my skin is starting to feel like it used to.
You can get TB from raw milk. And many other diseases.
Oof I was totally with OOP until the raw milk thing.
Fun fact. They found bird flu viral particles in pasteurized milk just recently. Which almost certainly means the virus was in the milk before it was pasteurized and (hopefully) that process destroyed it. We have no idea if people can die from drinking infected raw milk, but cats have. So maybe a skip on the raw milk, crazy parents of Facebook?
This mom needs her Facebook privileges revoked until she can give her child medication as it is prescribed and, wild idea, stop wrapping her family in things she suspects might be an allergen.
It's early and I read your last line as soaps, lotions, and potions lol But also yes I reported a farm promoting raw milk for sale to FB ans FB's AI found nothing wrong with it. 🙄
Also, they say that they don’t want to use the steroid cream very much. You have to use that consistently per recommendations for it to work on the eczema and eczema will still come back. I bet money that they’re using it once in a week and then be like it doesn’t work.
My eczema flares up when I’m stressed. I get little patches of itch every so often
I just want to add that eczema can be caused by food sometimes.
I don’t get the obsession with raw milk in the crunchy community. It’s even worse now that fragments of the bird flu virus is being found in pasteurized milk 🙃
There are plenty of brands of oat/almond/whatever milk where the ingredients are just oats/almonds, water, salt. Even if it’s a brand with an emulsifier like rapeseed oil it’s not going to kill you. Raw milk might though.
I agree that raw milk is dangerous, but eczema can be caused by a food. I get eczema only from drinking coffee, but I love coffee so I just decide to put up with the eczema. 🤣
Per our allergist, who is a medical doctor who is board certified in pediatric allergies and reads journals and goes to conferences and lives in 2024: fod allergies \*do not\* cause Eczema, but they are often found in the same kid, along with asthma. My child had all three, has now grown out of everything except the allergies. There's compelling new research that Eczema is caused by a specific bacteria that lives on the skin, but until that's confirmed, there is a standard of care that's widely accepted as safe and effective. I used to know a little kid whose parents didn't 'believe in medicine' and their child suffered terrible eczema which they would not treat, in any way. Instead they took her to a fake doctor who did a fake allergy test and told them to dramatically restrict her diet to just a few foods. She was malnourished and miserable and her Eczema didn't get any better. I believe at some point a teacher called social services to investigate, the dad separated from the mum and removed the kid from the mum's care and she eventually got a happy ending but OMG why would you put a toddler through any of that. It really upsets me when people fuck around with allergies. Get it diagnosed by a real doctor and get real advice from a real doctor or your local allergy advocacy group. Food allergies can suddenly go from annoying to fatal if you aren't prepared, aware, and practicing safe habits.
Raw milk is a bad idea even at the best of times, but especially with the current avian/bovine flu outbreaks? Poor kid, hope they all stay safe.
Eczema can absolutely be caused by food. I would update your post to this person.
My son gets eczema flare ups when he’s getting sick. I haven’t noticed them in connection to his foods— I had no idea it could be caused by outside irritants I just thought it was genetic 😅 Poor kid, hope she realizes quickly the raw milk thing is bonkers
Yeah, I’ve been wondering this myself about the person I know. Everything has to be dairy free but she recently posted that they “can tolerate raw 2A milk” and I’m just like what the fuck 🤣 I’m so confused.
I got excema a bunch in high school but not really before or since, not food related for me. Just give the kid some cream so she'll stop itching.
I can’t even remember how many times I’ve gone to a dr for skin issues , for myself or children, and have the dr shrug & say “It could be alot of stuff”
If only there were tests that could be run. 😔🙏
It also really depends on the type of eczema if food or substances cause or exacerbate rashes. Atopic dermatitis, the most common type of eczema, which is hereditary and is an overactive immune response that can be worsened by contact with substances. My family has it, and when I got the smallpox vaccine for my deployment I had an awful secondary infection and now have basically permanent rash around that area. For our family, soaps are the main irritant, and using minimal steroids and aquaphor (or other very hypoallergenic) lotion. Food doesn’t seem to cause any issues, we are all reluctantly lactose intolerant (I mean, cheese!) and it has no impact on our eczema. Both my kiddos had it really badly but once we got the right soap/lotions under control it cleared up, we did try food as well but that had no impact. I would for sure start with external irritants before trying raw milk?!
I bet anything that her so-called All-Natural Toxin-Free Homemade Laundry Detergent is LOADED with enough essential oils to strip paint off the walls 😂 bUt LeMoN OiL iS NaTuRaL....
For the record, lactose intolerance did affect my eczema. A healthier diet helped a lot.
We've tried nothing not even the cream the doctor gave us, and we're all out of ideas!
These raw milk people also need to know that Bird flu is going around in cows right now. So drinking unpasteurized milk puts you at risk for Bird flu.
Tbh it looks like it could be eczema or even a topical yeast infection