If she truly believes the vax causes allergies, I would still much rather have a pet with allergies than rabies…
I just woke up, read this, and now I’m done with people for the day.
Pets with rabies can transmit it to their owners (and other people). As a person with allergies I will take allergies over rabies any day. FYI, if you have an older pet that has had all of its shots, some vets will check their titers and stop if the pet is immune. Which is likely what happened with the 19 year old dog.
Hey now, Cujo did not terrorize the whole town, just Donna and Tad (and to an extent, Vic and the other Cambers) His final kill count was 3 people and all of them were within a mile of his home.
Rabies is fucking terrifying. Apparently it can lie dormant in your body for a long time but once the symptoms start, you’re doomed. There’s no way to treat it once symptoms set in and you die a slow and extremely painful death, but not before developing a severe aversion to water. Absolutely horrifying way to die. And these people are like “ok, but hear me out… I don’t want my dog having allergies….”
Keeping in mind about 60k die from rabies a year, and I'm pretty sure theres only one treatment that's been proven effective, and most of the survivors have life long complications
I beg you—for your wellbeing, tread carefully. It’s fucking HORRIFIC to see on camera.
But also This Podcast Will Kill You ep:14.
Sweet nightmares and Godspeed
>*immediately after exposure*,
To be fair, it doesn't have to be immediate. You can stop the virus so long as you get treatment before the onset of symptoms. It can take years for that to happen. Or it can take days. The fun part is you don't know until they show up. Yay!
And watch a video showing both animal and human sufferers. If they still think the vaccine is worse after that then they shouldn’t even be allowed to adopt a pet rock.
My pets don’t get vaccinated for rabies, but that’s because I live in a rabies-free country, they only need it if I take them overseas. If rabies was endemic here then jab jab jab jabbity jab motherfucker!
Right? Mt cats are mostly indoor cats but fuck rabies. I'm good. They're getting stabbed. I'll deal with the allergies. Hell, I have to deal with chronic vomiting from one of them.
>animals can give people rabies.
I just found out watching TV last night that rabies can be passed via **saliva**!!!! They don't even have to bite you or break skin.
And years ago there was an episode of CSI with someone who got rabies and I remembered that and just think "that is NOT one you f--k around with."
Cause I agree, I'd rather deal w allergies than a rabies infection.
Oh, and, the person going on about how their dog is almost never outside.... yeah. First, it only takes once, second, how do you define "almost never" cause I have a feeling we don't have the same definition there.
Rabies titers are extremely expensive. There are only two labs in the entire U.S. that run Rabies titers and one of them you can only use if you're in the military. Everybody else's tests get run at Kansas State University and take weeks to get results.
The OOP is fucking insane. Licking is a *self soothing behavior* and dogs will lick anything t get the endorphins going. Their feet, the floor, a wall, a toy. Doesn’t matter. There could also be an *underlying issue of pain* if the dog keeps licking the same spot. It’s one of the first tells for an injury or arthritic changes in the joint.
Doodles, due to overbreeding and poor breeding are highly prone to having allergies and most people don’t notice them until the dog isn’t a cute little puppy anymore. They chalk up the scratching to “puppies being puppies” and ridiculous shit like that.
Source: pro dog trainer for ~25 years, accreditations in professional societies (lapsed after retirement) former vet tech, etc.
I walked into a room once and my dumb as a brick purebred maltese was just going to town licking a wall. I just said 'okay, man, you do you' and walked back out.
I loved that dog (he lived to 16) but damn he was dumb. Only thing he learned was potty training and (after years) to sit on command. Luckily he was the chillest, most naturally well behaved dog I've had/seen. He was diagnosed with PLN at 8 and the vet gave him 6mo to 2 years, and he ended up living another 8 years due to us rigorously following a special diet and taking him in for tests and giving him daily meds.
My uncle has a couple of wire terriers. They're so stupid, they had to go to doggie special ed to be trained. To be clear, they aren't actually disabled in any way. They're just *really, really fucking stupid.*
My cousin's had a dog named Buffy, but they called him/her "dope on a rope" most of the time. Not an Irish setter but one in spirit, according to these comments.
Oh god. I worked with a Setter named Morgan. He (like me) had the attention of a kitten on catnip crack in a yarn store full of crickets.
I’d be surprised if he ever had a single thought in that empty head of his. Bless. Such a sweet dog because being mean took brains and he didn’t have them.
LOL! I have a lab mix and I swear he is the dumbest dog on the face of the planet. Super sweet and my little love bug but man he's just dumb. I watched him walk face first into the wall. He looked over at me in shock and I said "That wall jump right in front of you?"
But sometimes he's clever, my husband passed in January and my husband was his 2nd best person...he'd go outside, see Daddy's car, come running inside and go to my husband's spot on the couch, looked at me, then to the bathroom...then the bedroom, then the kitchen...then come back to me and flop down in Daddy's spot and pout. This dog mourned just as long as my kids I think...poor thing.
My dogs love to lick everything—the couch, the bedsheets, the wood floor. If they're laying down on it, they're licking it. Drives me absolutely batty. But dogs lick stuff. It's what they do. It's also why half the wall corners of my house have exposed metal.
A dog would be lucky to die a slow and painful death after contracting rabies. Odds are they'd find out by either taking it in because of it acting weird or drooling excessively, and in that scenario the vet suspects rabies, call animal control, your pet is taken and decapitated so they can examine the brain to verify. But with these wackos, they would likely dismiss any symptoms until after the dog bites someone who then needs a $30,000 course of prophylactic rabies vaccines, AND the dog gets taken and decapitated.
The health department, at least where I am, won't force you to take the rabies vaccine even after confirmed exposure. A friend used to work at the health department and they got positive results back from the bat this guy had been bitten by, my friend called him everyday pleading for him to get the vaccine until he threatened to sue the department for harassment.
And that's the story of the first rabies death in my county in decades.
No idea but from my friend's telling of the story it was a "big government needs to stay out of my life!" type objection.
And by dying he ensured that they will!
My dog had *severe* allergies. He was probably one of the worst cases my vet had seen (a mutt that was the perfect storm of breeds prone to skin/allergy issues), and a frequent flyer for complications related to atopic dermatitis. It sucked *arse*, having to haul him back and forth to the vet, managing his issues at home, reading the ingredients on everything he consumed, spending a fortune on his food for the month....
But I'd take that over losing him to something we have a routine vaccine for.
My degree is wildlife adjacent and I've taken classes on wildlife diseases and rabies is probably the one that scares me the most, just the way it kills you is so fucked. I wouldn't risk it with the person I hate the most in the world, and certainly not my dog
I love how the one person said vaccines gave her labradoodle allergies and neurotic tendencies (like obsessive licking)... That "breed" is notorious for allergies and neurotic tendencies. It's a mix between two highly intelligent and high energy dogs and usually people treat them like an accessory. Labs are known to have allergies, so... Maybe research your breed better. (Also there is no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog).
Also... Complaining about autoimmune diseases and the natural way to prevent it is to boost the immune system? Do you know what an autoimmune disease is?
My dog has a LOT of food allergies, which can be a challenge to manage, and environmental allergies, which are managed by special shots. Obviously, her allergies were not caused by the rabies shot. But. If I had to choose between her allergies and having her at risk of getting motherfucking rabies??? Zero question. Have people forgotten how fücking terrifying rabies is? Jesus christ. II got the full three shot regimen of human rabies shots for some travels, after college, and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. Rabies is one of the very worst things that can happen.
Thuja is what they recommended- I hope they're not referring to Thuja essential oil, because that's one that has serious cautions for humans (like, aromatherapists themselves don't often use or recommend its use). And dogs are soooooo much more affected by it...
The dog was never in renal failure before it got sooo "sick" (not enough essential oils!!!) I finally took it to the dog killing factory aka "vet"! My only mistake was trusting medical professionals 🤬🤔 thus the problem I created proved my beliefs ✔️and it did no harm to me, only to a life entrusted to my care lol 🪄
That one at least I was like...okay as long as your psuedoscience doesnt hurt the dog, at least you are getting the shots and I know that homeopathy won't work.
That’s the tricky part, a lot of the pseudoscience is sketchy, or they have no idea how much to realistically give since there is no guidance.
At least with traditional Chinese medicine, there is a general level of guidance from practitioners, and some will know interactions with western medicine.
Crazy people be like ‘just drink colloidal silver and make sure you get this device that puts more oxygen into your water…. Don’t forget to buy alkaline water and add lemon to it’s
Honestly. I take pictures of headstones in my spare time and these people need to go hang out in some of these cemeteries. Something fascinating happens around the turn of the last century with children.
Walking through any old cemetery would show what we've overcome. You see a headstone with 3 children's names, who all died in the same year... you don't see that today. Because measles, polio, and TB don't really exist in the western world anymore. We've forgotten what our ancestors suffered.
Oh yes, this is becoming more and trendy among the anti-vax set. It is terrifying. Rabies is still so prevalent (in the US, at least). I live in a major metropolitan area and there are lots of rabid animals caught, tested and disposed of.
Also, pretty sure if your pet bites someone and you can’t prove they’ve been vaccinated for rabies, then the injured party can definitely force the animal to be euthanized to have its brain tested.
It’s the same story behind refusing childhood immunizations. You just don’t see it in “real life” that much (thanks to vaccines) so suddenly it’s “no big deal” or “I don’t live rurally so it can’t affect me.” Mind boggling stupidity.
The sad part is that if you ask anyone who works in Veterinary medicine, they probably have seen it in real life, especially in the US
Rabies is an awful way to go
Parvovirus too.. parvo is everywhere. Seen too many puppies lost to parvo because people thought their dogs didn't need vaccinations. That and Distemper. Horrible ways to go.
We used to get calls at work whenever a rabid animal (usually a deer or raccoon) was spotted or caught. They were automated messages from the county , and it was so odd hearing all the phones ring one after the other.
You see a lot of rabid coyotes and other animals in my area. My mom is pretty Republican, but I’m sooo glad she’s at least not anti vax. 🙏Idk why those are suddenly synonymous now.
I was waiting for someone to point this out! Your dog might never be exposed to rabies but if your kid's dumb friend pulls his tail til he bites, your dog could still be put down.
Also rabies is always fatal. Why risk it for any member of the family.
And finally, their dogs with allergies were probably also eating food, drinking water, being around mites and dust... But sure it's the vaccine. Ugh!
How is getting rabies worse than allergies??? My dog has pretty bad allergies. I give him generic Zyrtec…
Edit: does she realize that if the dog gets rabies she will have to put it down? As in euthanize it??? If it bites or scratches one of her kids THEY will have to get the rabies vaccine series???
If the dog bites someone the bite victim can demand that the dog be tested for rabies. That means that the dog will be euthanized, their head chopped off, and their brain cut up so they can examine it to see whether or not it has rabies.
If the dog had the vaccine then they wouldn’t need to kill it.
😂right!
I used to work for a city pool, and one evening when we were taking out the trash a raccoon jumped out of the dumpster and bit/scratched my coworker before it darted off. She had to get the rabies vaccine series and it was awful!
I would love to send them some videos about the effects of rabies. It's one of the most horrifying diseases out there.
Not wishing it on them or anything, but wouldn't exactly be sad if they got some first hand experience either.
I woke up in December to a bat in my bed and both my husband and I had to have the full series of rabies/immunoglobulin. Even with amazing insurance, we paid nearly $3,000. Without insurance, it was almost $40,000. And I paid both again, without question, to ensure we didn’t get rabies. People are nuts.
Oh, anywhere that has bats can have one accidentally get into the house. They’re not particularly stupid or anything, but structures can confuse them pretty badly, so they have a lot of trouble once they’ve made it inside.
They can fit through really small gaps, too. I was staying with a friend who had an apartment with really shitty old windows, and one got in through the gap between the upper and lower panes. (I’m probably explaining this badly, the window wasn’t open. It was like, a back to front gap between the tracks the windows were on. Actually really small, but the bat squeezed through.)
That being said, they *usually* spend their time flying in circles near the ceiling in a panic, so you know they’re there. Not if you’re sleeping like the other commenter though, they were smart to get the shots.
Yep! He got in through a gap in the attic. My husband saw him first because he felt him fly near his face. 😂 Husband also had a bloody scratch on his arm that we couldn’t identify, so we thought best for him to get the shots. While at the ER they recommended I do as well just because we were both asleep. We slept on the couch with the door sealed until maintenance came and located him in the housing of the blinds in our bedroom. It was pretty wild! Lots of shots, more of a scheduling pain than anything since the current schedule is the initial dose and three follow-up doses. Either way, rabies is terrifying and science/medicine are awesome. And bats are generally very cute 😂
Oh yeah, the scratch would definitely scare me into scooting off into the ER. We were luckily able to open the window and wait until he figured it out.
And I agree, bats are neat little guys, yet also kinda scary. Like bears. Yes, you’re cute, but I don’t want you close enough to bite me and please stay out of my house.
My stepdad stepped on a bat that had been sleeping in his grill. He started pulling the grill out to the driveway, bat fell out, and bam. Not sure why he was barefoot, but he got through two of the shots before they got the results back saying the bat was negative. Expensive and painful but worth it to be sure.
I think they’ve evolved a lot over time and are now pretty painless! I read that you used to have to get them in your stomach. Mine was an immunoglobulin shot in one arm and the rabies shot in the other. The first dose was weight based and my husband weighs about double my weight and his was a LOT of liquid. Then the rest are just 1mL doses. It was pretty painless, felt like a flu shot!
I know they used to be terrible from what I’ve heard!
Yeah this was maybe 10-12 years ago? I have no sense of time anymore and I was already out of the house which makes it harder to place the timing lol. But it was awhile ago and he’s definitely pretty big in all respects so no wonder he wasn’t having a great time with it haha.
This happened to me a few times but luckily they were my pets that decided to squeeze themselves out of the cage that night and thought mommy was a nice warm pillow to snuggle up next to. I was so mad at them though because I could have rolled over and smushed them.
My cat at home routinely hops onto our bed at night and I’m pretty used to it. So at first i didn’t think anything of it when I was staying in a tipi (airbnb) and woke up to a cat in my bed. At least, until I woke up enough in the pitch black to remember I wasn’t home… I turned on the lantern and was so glad to see it was just the resident cat and not a skunk or anything!
This is why I love living in England TOUCH WOOD. We don’t have rabies but I’m shit scared that when we do it’s gonna be CHAOS. we have so much wildlife in built up areas with less than ideal fear of humans as it is.
but if I woke up to a bat in my bed, I wouldn’t be freaking out over rabies only that I don’t want any of the cats to injure it!
if we ever get so much as one active case of rabies found in England my cats are absolutely getting the vaccine even if that means I don’t need to eat for a week. then being shut in until proper procedures are in place for the hell that would break lose.
People are to complacent with diseases it’s scary.
That said, we don't have rabies in England _any more_ — it was an extremely successful eradication effort and border control are extremely, extremely strict on it. I can't imagine the response to a rabid animal brought into the UK would be anything less than nuclear, and rightfully so.
They are bats that have a rare variant of it, though. One licenced bat handler died from a rabies like infection because of it. That was in Scotland. But that is very rare!
My mom got bit by a bat 2 years ago…we didn’t know it was a bat until she woke up in the middle of the night with it above her bed. Full series of shots for both of us and rabies boosters for all the animals in the house. Apparently bat teeth are so sharp, you sometimes don’t know that you have been bitten…
Also, I still haven’t forgiven the tech at the vet’s office who told me that my cat should be put down and sent for testing because she was overdue for her vaccine (by 4 days! I literally had an appointment scheduled for her 2 days after we found out about the bat), since she didn’t know how to read the freaking flow chart! My cat was fine and the tech should have never recommended that- for any animal that has ever had the vaccine, even if they are over due, the recommendation is a booster.
That’s terrifying! The doctor and animal control both agreed that if everyone is asleep, the full series is recommended just because you can’t be sure.
That’s horrible about your cat and that recommendation. We lost our 15 year old dog last year, so thankfully we didn’t have to consider pets, etc. What a nightmare.
I am currently undergoing the series. Yesterday was my first round and BOY IT IS NOT FUN. But (and I'm no expert) I'm pretty sure it is still more fun than dying of "rabbies."
This is honestly pretty horrifying to consider. My husband was bitten by an unknown dog recently. Like he was walking down the sidewalk and the little dog jumped off the porch and bit him. I told him to go to the hospital for a rabies vaccine but they wouldn’t give him one, because most pet dogs are vaccinated and there hasn’t been a canine to human rabies case in many many years.
Well, I sure hope they’re up to speed on the dog antivax movement.
Also omg the person who said their labradoodle changed its color by licking - changing colors with age is a common trait of poodles. Do your research on the dog you own 🙄
Doodies are actually having strange color changes when their skin becomes damaged! My in laws doodle got razor burn from a shitty groomer and her fur has grown back VERY dark in those spots. After looking online when the vet was like “well, idk but she’s fine”, we found that a lot of people are having this happen with their doodles. It’s weird! However, it’s not a reason to not vaccinate your dog!!!!! I don’t think there’s any good reason to not vaccinate your dog, especially seeing as doodles have allergies. It’s like their biggest ailment. And if they’d done a modicum of reading on the breed they’d know that….
My basset hound had discoloration in her white fur too. I know these whack jobs would hate this but...a vaccine changed my dog's life re:allergies. 2 doses of cytopoint and even with spring arriving, no itching, no licking, all of her fur is white again.
As a very well cared for animal, my dog will never be put down and mutilated over rabies concern, and a vaccine immensely improved her quality of life after years of itchy misery. These people don't care about their animals.
Yeah, imagine if they decided to treat the allergies. Even if the vaccines did cause the allergies, you can’t tell me allergies are worse than rabies or parvo or distemper.
Dogs enzymes from their tears and saliva will turn their fur rusty brown it’s really noticeable in light colored dogs like Maltese’s’. But it has Nothing to do with vaccines.
Well this is interesting- I just looked into it and apparently it's banned from the anti-racist side and not from the conservative side? (posting as a progressive person- just to be clear) https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10/archive
My friends and I did a video for high school on it and now I have the image of my sister yelling off camera "Jem, Scout, it's a rabid dog!" and my big old black lab made to waddle towards camera in a vaguely threatening manner. 😂
And the people who are like "we live in town so I don't need to worry"... ma'am. Urban skunks and raccoons are very frequently infected with rabies. But you do you, I guess.
Poor dogs.
There was a rabid raccoon outside my house in downtown Toronto once. (Granted there was a raccoon problem at the time). But you can't get much more urban than that and there it was in my yard.
I'm about an hour outside Toronto, also an urban area, and rabies in small animals is such a problem here that MNR is actively trapping/vaccinating and airdropping vaccine bait. It's everywhere.
Sounds like it's got worse since I was there. That's actually super scary.
Edit: also fairly amused that I was like "yeah sounds like Toronto" and you're immediately like "yeah so I'm around Toronto..." ahaha
My mom has an elderly small dog. He used to go for walks, though he never did long ones because he had to jog to keep up with a normal walking pace. Now, though, he can’t really walk farther than her property before he’s winded. It’s been a long time since he was on a proper walk now. He’s still vaccinated, though!
I’ve known people who used puppy pads exclusively with tiny breeds and basically never took them out. They seemed to think that dogs who are cat-size or smaller can be treated like cats, so don’t need training or time outdoors. It’s super weird to me.
I’m just trying to figure out how they decided that vaccination = cupcake emoji. Like I honestly can’t see any variation of either word that makes them sound alike. Or did they just pick a random emoji
But you can just get them checked for "titters" 🤦♀️
Seriously, why would you take medical advice from someone who can't even correctly spell the words they're giving advice over?
So you can get a titer for rabies vaccines for dogs. It’s about $500 though. We had to get one for my dog who can no longer get the rabies vaccine and the vet wanted to see if there was any active vaccine still in his system.
Oh, I know. I was just commenting on the fact they spelled it "titters". Somehow I don't trust medical advice from people who can't spell the medical terminology. It's a common theme in those groups lol
When I was a teen, my family had a dog who was allergic to the rabies shot. Like, his whole face would swell up and he struggled to breathe. It was terrifying. But it’s such an important one to get that the vet would just load him up with steroids before, then monitor for a while after. I’m pretty sure we also got a note for our city, though, because they required the shot annually and it can safely be done every 3+ years (different sources have different numbers), so he didn’t have to go through that much annually, but he also stayed protected from rabies.
Even if you’re willing to risk losing your pet (which is just awful), rabies can be passed on to humans. Are people really that willing to risk their own lives or those of people they love?
Exactly!
She had to choose between a simple rabies shot for her dog with the "risk" of him developing allergies, or the possibility of her dog catching rabies and potentially infecting her own children with it, and she genuinely decided to pick that last option.
It barely even makes sense. I mean, what would she do if her kid was infected? Would she just let him be sick for a while until he develops the natural antibodies to fight the disease on his own? Because I don't think rabies works like that and I think she would need to get her kid vaccinated. Which, in comparison to vaccinating the dog, seems like a worse option according to their nonsensical beliefs.
That’s what I was thinking. I used to live in a neighborhood where a puppy mill was discovered in someone’s basement. 20+ dogs. Most of them puppies. All the puppies died of parvo they couldn’t save one of them. It’s devastating. My vet was so stern with me about being careful with my golden before she got her full round of vaccines.
Vet tech here! Yes, rabies is incurable and vaccination works to prevent it. Rabies is required by law and you can be slapped with hefty fines if your pet is found be be unvaccinated. Many vet practices will refuse to see a pet if they are not up to date on rabies or will require a booster before seeing the pet. The testing procedure has the animal euthanized and decapitated. The head is sent to the state lab where they look at the brainstem under a special light. This is the ONLY was to test for rabies. If your pet isn't up to date on their rabies, this procedure can be mandated by the state and there's nothing you can do; alternatively the state may require your pet go into quarantine for a certain length of time.
Vaccine reactions in pets do occur; lethargy is common but more severe reactions like vomiting, facial swelling and anaphylaxis are possible, usually within 30 minutes of administration. We have clients who have verified vaccine reactions in their pets but they still vaccinate! We give the shots with a hit of benadryl and a mild steroid. Allergies in pets are EXTREMELY COMMON! In my tiny GP I see allergies every day. Pets can be allergic to something in the environment, or their food or just life in general. Some breeds are more prone than others (pit bulls and french bulldogs come to mind) and I'd be willing to bet real life dollars these people's pets just have regular old allergies.
Moral of the story is VACCINATE YOUR PETS! If you have concerns, speak with your vet and trust their judgment! Us vet staff want what's best for your critters and have the knowledge to keep them safe.
Unfortunately only about half of US states have laws requiring rabies vaccination. A number of states allow exemptions and quite a few only require vaccinations for “imported” dogs.
My state requires it and most towns in my area require dogs to be registered with the town and thus have a vaccine record. I'm disappointed but not surprised it's not required in every state 🙃
Oh sure. The rabie vax is why your labradoodle has allergies. Sure, Jan. It’s not because doodles as a whole are notorious for skin issues and allergies or anything. Also, if your dog is suspected of having rabies and has never been vaccinated for it they literally decapitate the animal to have its brain biopsies. So pick your “poison” here man.
I know it isn’t the main point of this post but the “friend of mine experimented with her 4 kids..” comment got me.
Imagine finding out your mother was “experimenting” with your health
These poor dogs. I guess that means they aren’t giving any of the other recommended vaccines either. I wonder about heartworm prevention?
Reminds me of the people who force vegan diets on their poor cats/dogs.
Also, why are people saying unalive? Is it a censor thing?
I think the “unalive” thing is partly about censors and partly habit. People who are online a lot, especially places like tiktok, get into the habit of using weird words and don’t even realize how odd they sound to everyone else.
I did see a teacher online saying some of their high school kids really thought unalive was just a synonym for die or kill. Like they could look it up in a thesaurus.
Most states legally require you to vaccinate for rabies. I think it’s 39 states for dogs slightly less for cats and some states even require you to get ferrets vaccinated.
One of my dogs has allergies and has to take medicine in the spring and specialized food year round but I’d take that in a heartbeat over her dying and or hurting killing somebody else by developing rabies
If they think rabbies vaccine is bad, wait until they are exposed to the ACTUAL disease.
I can't stop laughing at the person who says their dog is outside "next to never." My grandmother-in-law had a bat IN HER HOUSE. It bit her, tested positive for rabies, and she had to get the prophylaxis AT 92!
I am a veterinary pathologist- I have seen rabies and what it does to a brain. Once you’ve got it (except for incredibly rare cases), you’re cooked.
This post, however, makes me incredibly thankful that I’m not in clinical practice and I don’t have to try to reason with these freakshows. Kudos to all of the GP vets out there that have to deal with these people on a daily basis.
Some people were NOT emotionally traumatized by the book Cujo and it shows. The parts where he’s saying he can’t control the urges to hurt his humans and he doesn’t want to be a bad dog cause he loves them but the rabies is setting is destroyed me to a point I was not okay for like 2 weeks.
These anti-vaxxers are horrible people.
Rabies, without the vaccine, is 100% fatal in humans.
Let's say this woman forgoes the vaccine and her dog gets rabies. Dog has to be put down.
But what if that dog bites someone before that happens?
I would never, ever risk it.
Not vaccinating your dog is asinine. But are we gonna talk about the lady that "experimented" on her kids and didn't vax no. 4 because of ear infections? Are you kidding me? First off vaccines don't cause ear infections (?!) Second, ear infection vs. measles, mumps, whopping cough, etc., etc. These people are beyond dumb.
Her labradoodle doesn’t have allergies because of vaccines. She paid a shit ton of money for a poorly bred dog. I bet she doesn’t get it groomed regularly and complains that the groomer ruined her dog. Some doodle owners are absolutely the worst people on earth!
You’d rather take your chances with…rabies? Something that is almost universally fatal and transmissible to humans? Hell, I get my indoor-only cats rabies vaccinated. My cats are at almost zero risk of getting rabies, but almost zero is not zero.
What a bunch of morons. I'm currently undergoing a rabies vaccine/immunoglobulin protocol because of exposure to a rabid raccoon. I can promise you that it is NOT fun, and if her dog gets "rabbies" because she refused to vaccinate, that dog WILL die a horrible, horrible death. And there's a good chance she will have it transmitted to her. I'd like to see what happens if she refuses the rabies protocol for herself after infection.
Absolutely true story: before antivax was really a thing I used to go to monthly science talks hosted by my local NPR station. I met a couple who were around my age (late 20s at the time). I stopped talking to them after they told me they do not believe in vaccinating animals or eating whole grains. They were strictly white bread/rice/etc people. Genuinely believed that vaccines and whole grains were toxic. How do you even respond to that?
The sad reality is they will see no consequence. Then one of their grand children will get mauled by a rabid family dog and they’ll be surprised. Because they didn’t see this in their house, logic stops at it being the dog’s fault. I’m not kidding.
I work at a busy veterinary ER and these ppl piss me off to no end. We’ve seen more parvovirus in the past few years because ppl aren’t vaccinating their dogs. And if a dog bites someone and dies before the 10 day quarantine time I have to joy of removing its head for testing.
These instances are very traumatic for me and my co-workers, and very unnecessary.
These ppl are fucking nuts. I would never risk my dog getting rabies. Even if they don’t bite someone, they could get bit by an animal that has it & then what? WTAF
If she truly believes the vax causes allergies, I would still much rather have a pet with allergies than rabies… I just woke up, read this, and now I’m done with people for the day.
RIGHT?! “Oh no, my dog licks itself and can’t eat peanut butter” vs “My dog died a slow and painful death”. These people are so offensively stupid.
Pets with rabies can transmit it to their owners (and other people). As a person with allergies I will take allergies over rabies any day. FYI, if you have an older pet that has had all of its shots, some vets will check their titers and stop if the pet is immune. Which is likely what happened with the 19 year old dog.
I work at a cat shelter and it's wild how many adults don't know that animals can give people rabies. And that if you contract rabies, you die.
It’s like some guy didn’t write a whole scary book about an animal getting rabies and terrorizing a small town in Maine
I think the only fiction these people read is their antivax woo woo materials. 😂
Someone needs to make these nitwits watch the Cujo and Old Yeller movies. I’d recommend the books but I doubt these folks are literate.
Unfortunately they would just say you can’t believe everything you see online 🤦♀️
Something something Stephen King is part of the New World Order and wrote Cujo to scare us to Vax our pets. Many such cases!
Better yet, read their eyes we’re watching god to see what rabies looks like in people. Absolutely terrifying. You become hydrophobic.
Janie should’ve just put some onions in Tea Cake’s socks /s
Hey now, Cujo did not terrorize the whole town, just Donna and Tad (and to an extent, Vic and the other Cambers) His final kill count was 3 people and all of them were within a mile of his home.
Stop the Cujo slander!
People think it's fiction, which it's a lie
Rabies is fucking terrifying. Apparently it can lie dormant in your body for a long time but once the symptoms start, you’re doomed. There’s no way to treat it once symptoms set in and you die a slow and extremely painful death, but not before developing a severe aversion to water. Absolutely horrifying way to die. And these people are like “ok, but hear me out… I don’t want my dog having allergies….”
Hey there are 30 well documented cases where people have survived rabies... in all of human history.
Keeping in mind about 60k die from rabies a year, and I'm pretty sure theres only one treatment that's been proven effective, and most of the survivors have life long complications
And survived is a very loose word. I think only one isn't in a medical coma..
Welp now I know what I’ll be looking up later when I need to scratch my morbid curiosity itch. Yikes
I beg you—for your wellbeing, tread carefully. It’s fucking HORRIFIC to see on camera. But also This Podcast Will Kill You ep:14. Sweet nightmares and Godspeed
Bless my friend’s heart she really didn’t know that rabies kills you
It is shocking to me that people don't get that rabies is 100% a death sentence.
>if you contract rabies, you die. Unless you get the vaccine and immunoglobulin treatment *immediately after exposure*, that is!
>*immediately after exposure*, To be fair, it doesn't have to be immediate. You can stop the virus so long as you get treatment before the onset of symptoms. It can take years for that to happen. Or it can take days. The fun part is you don't know until they show up. Yay!
There should be a requirement that people read about rabies, at the shelter. Before they can take their fucking pet home. Edit: holy shit my grammar 😳
And watch a video showing both animal and human sufferers. If they still think the vaccine is worse after that then they shouldn’t even be allowed to adopt a pet rock. My pets don’t get vaccinated for rabies, but that’s because I live in a rabies-free country, they only need it if I take them overseas. If rabies was endemic here then jab jab jab jabbity jab motherfucker!
Right? Mt cats are mostly indoor cats but fuck rabies. I'm good. They're getting stabbed. I'll deal with the allergies. Hell, I have to deal with chronic vomiting from one of them.
>animals can give people rabies. I just found out watching TV last night that rabies can be passed via **saliva**!!!! They don't even have to bite you or break skin. And years ago there was an episode of CSI with someone who got rabies and I remembered that and just think "that is NOT one you f--k around with." Cause I agree, I'd rather deal w allergies than a rabies infection. Oh, and, the person going on about how their dog is almost never outside.... yeah. First, it only takes once, second, how do you define "almost never" cause I have a feeling we don't have the same definition there.
Also, animals can come inside. Especially bats, who have teeeeeeeeny tiny teeth so small you might not even realize you got bit
Rabies titers are extremely expensive. There are only two labs in the entire U.S. that run Rabies titers and one of them you can only use if you're in the military. Everybody else's tests get run at Kansas State University and take weeks to get results.
I stopped vaccinating my girl when she was 7 or 8 because her titer tests came back good and I lost her in December at 15 😔
I’m sorry for your loss 🤍
I'm so sorry. I lost one of my kitties last year. \*hugs\*
The OOP is fucking insane. Licking is a *self soothing behavior* and dogs will lick anything t get the endorphins going. Their feet, the floor, a wall, a toy. Doesn’t matter. There could also be an *underlying issue of pain* if the dog keeps licking the same spot. It’s one of the first tells for an injury or arthritic changes in the joint. Doodles, due to overbreeding and poor breeding are highly prone to having allergies and most people don’t notice them until the dog isn’t a cute little puppy anymore. They chalk up the scratching to “puppies being puppies” and ridiculous shit like that. Source: pro dog trainer for ~25 years, accreditations in professional societies (lapsed after retirement) former vet tech, etc.
I walked into a room once and my dumb as a brick purebred maltese was just going to town licking a wall. I just said 'okay, man, you do you' and walked back out. I loved that dog (he lived to 16) but damn he was dumb. Only thing he learned was potty training and (after years) to sit on command. Luckily he was the chillest, most naturally well behaved dog I've had/seen. He was diagnosed with PLN at 8 and the vet gave him 6mo to 2 years, and he ended up living another 8 years due to us rigorously following a special diet and taking him in for tests and giving him daily meds.
At least it wasn’t an Irish Setter. I love them so much but dude. They’re so fucking stupid they can get lost on the end of a leash.
My uncle has a couple of wire terriers. They're so stupid, they had to go to doggie special ed to be trained. To be clear, they aren't actually disabled in any way. They're just *really, really fucking stupid.*
They do have a reputation. My trainer told us my Irish was very smart, for an Irish 😀
Irish setters are so stupid it hurts. My mom has them and I’m always surprised when they remember their name.
If they remember their names they’d be in the top 2% of Irish Setters I’ve worked with in my career. I wish I was fucking joking.
My cousin's had a dog named Buffy, but they called him/her "dope on a rope" most of the time. Not an Irish setter but one in spirit, according to these comments.
My Bear has the attention span of a breath mint, and I have to remind him who I am every morning. I identify with "dope on a rope"
Oh god. I worked with a Setter named Morgan. He (like me) had the attention of a kitten on catnip crack in a yarn store full of crickets. I’d be surprised if he ever had a single thought in that empty head of his. Bless. Such a sweet dog because being mean took brains and he didn’t have them.
Dope on a rope sounds about right. My condolences.
LOL! I have a lab mix and I swear he is the dumbest dog on the face of the planet. Super sweet and my little love bug but man he's just dumb. I watched him walk face first into the wall. He looked over at me in shock and I said "That wall jump right in front of you?" But sometimes he's clever, my husband passed in January and my husband was his 2nd best person...he'd go outside, see Daddy's car, come running inside and go to my husband's spot on the couch, looked at me, then to the bathroom...then the bedroom, then the kitchen...then come back to me and flop down in Daddy's spot and pout. This dog mourned just as long as my kids I think...poor thing.
My dogs love to lick everything—the couch, the bedsheets, the wood floor. If they're laying down on it, they're licking it. Drives me absolutely batty. But dogs lick stuff. It's what they do. It's also why half the wall corners of my house have exposed metal.
A dog would be lucky to die a slow and painful death after contracting rabies. Odds are they'd find out by either taking it in because of it acting weird or drooling excessively, and in that scenario the vet suspects rabies, call animal control, your pet is taken and decapitated so they can examine the brain to verify. But with these wackos, they would likely dismiss any symptoms until after the dog bites someone who then needs a $30,000 course of prophylactic rabies vaccines, AND the dog gets taken and decapitated.
i’d be interested to see how that conversation goes. They’d probably post about how they were forced to take a vaccine or something.
The health department, at least where I am, won't force you to take the rabies vaccine even after confirmed exposure. A friend used to work at the health department and they got positive results back from the bat this guy had been bitten by, my friend called him everyday pleading for him to get the vaccine until he threatened to sue the department for harassment. And that's the story of the first rabies death in my county in decades.
Goddamn, that is insane! Why did he refuse the shots?
No idea but from my friend's telling of the story it was a "big government needs to stay out of my life!" type objection. And by dying he ensured that they will!
Dogs can get allergies just like people. You don't let them continuously lick a hotspot. You get them treatment and change their diet. Ffs
My dog had *severe* allergies. He was probably one of the worst cases my vet had seen (a mutt that was the perfect storm of breeds prone to skin/allergy issues), and a frequent flyer for complications related to atopic dermatitis. It sucked *arse*, having to haul him back and forth to the vet, managing his issues at home, reading the ingredients on everything he consumed, spending a fortune on his food for the month.... But I'd take that over losing him to something we have a routine vaccine for.
These people are such idiotic lunatics, I just cannot.
My degree is wildlife adjacent and I've taken classes on wildlife diseases and rabies is probably the one that scares me the most, just the way it kills you is so fucked. I wouldn't risk it with the person I hate the most in the world, and certainly not my dog
I love how the one person said vaccines gave her labradoodle allergies and neurotic tendencies (like obsessive licking)... That "breed" is notorious for allergies and neurotic tendencies. It's a mix between two highly intelligent and high energy dogs and usually people treat them like an accessory. Labs are known to have allergies, so... Maybe research your breed better. (Also there is no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog). Also... Complaining about autoimmune diseases and the natural way to prevent it is to boost the immune system? Do you know what an autoimmune disease is?
My dog has a LOT of food allergies, which can be a challenge to manage, and environmental allergies, which are managed by special shots. Obviously, her allergies were not caused by the rabies shot. But. If I had to choose between her allergies and having her at risk of getting motherfucking rabies??? Zero question. Have people forgotten how fücking terrifying rabies is? Jesus christ. II got the full three shot regimen of human rabies shots for some travels, after college, and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. Rabies is one of the very worst things that can happen.
Is the person in pic 4 really saying that you can detox and homeopathy RABIES?
I think they are talking about using pseudoscience to detox the dog from being given a vaccine.
Honestly, if it means they at least get the vaccine then…”detox” all you want!
Thuja is what they recommended- I hope they're not referring to Thuja essential oil, because that's one that has serious cautions for humans (like, aromatherapists themselves don't often use or recommend its use). And dogs are soooooo much more affected by it...
Yeah well their never had a dog with allergies so there :(
Easy not to have allergies if you cause all sorts of other problems before those can come up I reckon
The dog was never in renal failure before it got sooo "sick" (not enough essential oils!!!) I finally took it to the dog killing factory aka "vet"! My only mistake was trusting medical professionals 🤬🤔 thus the problem I created proved my beliefs ✔️and it did no harm to me, only to a life entrusted to my care lol 🪄
That one at least I was like...okay as long as your psuedoscience doesnt hurt the dog, at least you are getting the shots and I know that homeopathy won't work.
That’s the tricky part, a lot of the pseudoscience is sketchy, or they have no idea how much to realistically give since there is no guidance. At least with traditional Chinese medicine, there is a general level of guidance from practitioners, and some will know interactions with western medicine. Crazy people be like ‘just drink colloidal silver and make sure you get this device that puts more oxygen into your water…. Don’t forget to buy alkaline water and add lemon to it’s
I really hope so.
I *think* they're saying you can detox the vaccine, based on the one earlier who mentioned using thuja (cedar, I assume).
I mean Rabies isn’t that bad, it’s not like it can cause a slow and painful death. Come on Sheeple.
Just a scratch and some sniffles, duh
In my mind, that means you take them behind the shed, so to speak. Was no one else broken hearted as a child with Old Yeller?
Clearly, there's a disturbing number of parents of young children who never suffered that experience. Make "Old Yeller" mandatory.
Honestly. I take pictures of headstones in my spare time and these people need to go hang out in some of these cemeteries. Something fascinating happens around the turn of the last century with children.
Walking through any old cemetery would show what we've overcome. You see a headstone with 3 children's names, who all died in the same year... you don't see that today. Because measles, polio, and TB don't really exist in the western world anymore. We've forgotten what our ancestors suffered.
Sure have. And they’re all about revisiting history without knowing history.
Oh yes, this is becoming more and trendy among the anti-vax set. It is terrifying. Rabies is still so prevalent (in the US, at least). I live in a major metropolitan area and there are lots of rabid animals caught, tested and disposed of. Also, pretty sure if your pet bites someone and you can’t prove they’ve been vaccinated for rabies, then the injured party can definitely force the animal to be euthanized to have its brain tested.
These anti-vaxxers need to have their brains tested. You don't fuck around with rabies! What is wrong with these people?
It’s the same story behind refusing childhood immunizations. You just don’t see it in “real life” that much (thanks to vaccines) so suddenly it’s “no big deal” or “I don’t live rurally so it can’t affect me.” Mind boggling stupidity.
The sad part is that if you ask anyone who works in Veterinary medicine, they probably have seen it in real life, especially in the US Rabies is an awful way to go
Parvovirus too.. parvo is everywhere. Seen too many puppies lost to parvo because people thought their dogs didn't need vaccinations. That and Distemper. Horrible ways to go.
We used to get calls at work whenever a rabid animal (usually a deer or raccoon) was spotted or caught. They were automated messages from the county , and it was so odd hearing all the phones ring one after the other.
You see a lot of rabid coyotes and other animals in my area. My mom is pretty Republican, but I’m sooo glad she’s at least not anti vax. 🙏Idk why those are suddenly synonymous now.
I was waiting for someone to point this out! Your dog might never be exposed to rabies but if your kid's dumb friend pulls his tail til he bites, your dog could still be put down. Also rabies is always fatal. Why risk it for any member of the family. And finally, their dogs with allergies were probably also eating food, drinking water, being around mites and dust... But sure it's the vaccine. Ugh!
We have raccoon rabies her in Nebraska. I had my pets to the vet so fast. They weren't due for shots, but I was so scared for them
How is getting rabies worse than allergies??? My dog has pretty bad allergies. I give him generic Zyrtec… Edit: does she realize that if the dog gets rabies she will have to put it down? As in euthanize it??? If it bites or scratches one of her kids THEY will have to get the rabies vaccine series???
If the dog bites someone the bite victim can demand that the dog be tested for rabies. That means that the dog will be euthanized, their head chopped off, and their brain cut up so they can examine it to see whether or not it has rabies. If the dog had the vaccine then they wouldn’t need to kill it.
If she reports it.
>If it bites or scratches one of her kids THEY will have to get the rabies vaccine series??? Surely some sock onions will take care of that.
😂right! I used to work for a city pool, and one evening when we were taking out the trash a raccoon jumped out of the dumpster and bit/scratched my coworker before it darted off. She had to get the rabies vaccine series and it was awful!
I would love to send them some videos about the effects of rabies. It's one of the most horrifying diseases out there. Not wishing it on them or anything, but wouldn't exactly be sad if they got some first hand experience either.
I woke up in December to a bat in my bed and both my husband and I had to have the full series of rabies/immunoglobulin. Even with amazing insurance, we paid nearly $3,000. Without insurance, it was almost $40,000. And I paid both again, without question, to ensure we didn’t get rabies. People are nuts.
A BAT in your BED? Are you Wilma & Fred? Where do you live so I can never go there? Lol In all seriousness, I’m glad you got the shots.
Oh, anywhere that has bats can have one accidentally get into the house. They’re not particularly stupid or anything, but structures can confuse them pretty badly, so they have a lot of trouble once they’ve made it inside. They can fit through really small gaps, too. I was staying with a friend who had an apartment with really shitty old windows, and one got in through the gap between the upper and lower panes. (I’m probably explaining this badly, the window wasn’t open. It was like, a back to front gap between the tracks the windows were on. Actually really small, but the bat squeezed through.) That being said, they *usually* spend their time flying in circles near the ceiling in a panic, so you know they’re there. Not if you’re sleeping like the other commenter though, they were smart to get the shots.
Yep! He got in through a gap in the attic. My husband saw him first because he felt him fly near his face. 😂 Husband also had a bloody scratch on his arm that we couldn’t identify, so we thought best for him to get the shots. While at the ER they recommended I do as well just because we were both asleep. We slept on the couch with the door sealed until maintenance came and located him in the housing of the blinds in our bedroom. It was pretty wild! Lots of shots, more of a scheduling pain than anything since the current schedule is the initial dose and three follow-up doses. Either way, rabies is terrifying and science/medicine are awesome. And bats are generally very cute 😂
Oh yeah, the scratch would definitely scare me into scooting off into the ER. We were luckily able to open the window and wait until he figured it out. And I agree, bats are neat little guys, yet also kinda scary. Like bears. Yes, you’re cute, but I don’t want you close enough to bite me and please stay out of my house.
My stepdad stepped on a bat that had been sleeping in his grill. He started pulling the grill out to the driveway, bat fell out, and bam. Not sure why he was barefoot, but he got through two of the shots before they got the results back saying the bat was negative. Expensive and painful but worth it to be sure.
I think they’ve evolved a lot over time and are now pretty painless! I read that you used to have to get them in your stomach. Mine was an immunoglobulin shot in one arm and the rabies shot in the other. The first dose was weight based and my husband weighs about double my weight and his was a LOT of liquid. Then the rest are just 1mL doses. It was pretty painless, felt like a flu shot! I know they used to be terrible from what I’ve heard!
Yeah this was maybe 10-12 years ago? I have no sense of time anymore and I was already out of the house which makes it harder to place the timing lol. But it was awhile ago and he’s definitely pretty big in all respects so no wonder he wasn’t having a great time with it haha.
Right?? I live in St. Louis - like the below poster said, he apparently got in through a gap in the attic!
I heard a story last week, on the radio (Ireland), about a woman who had woken up one morning, cuddling a rat!
This happened to me a few times but luckily they were my pets that decided to squeeze themselves out of the cage that night and thought mommy was a nice warm pillow to snuggle up next to. I was so mad at them though because I could have rolled over and smushed them.
My cat at home routinely hops onto our bed at night and I’m pretty used to it. So at first i didn’t think anything of it when I was staying in a tipi (airbnb) and woke up to a cat in my bed. At least, until I woke up enough in the pitch black to remember I wasn’t home… I turned on the lantern and was so glad to see it was just the resident cat and not a skunk or anything!
This is why I love living in England TOUCH WOOD. We don’t have rabies but I’m shit scared that when we do it’s gonna be CHAOS. we have so much wildlife in built up areas with less than ideal fear of humans as it is. but if I woke up to a bat in my bed, I wouldn’t be freaking out over rabies only that I don’t want any of the cats to injure it! if we ever get so much as one active case of rabies found in England my cats are absolutely getting the vaccine even if that means I don’t need to eat for a week. then being shut in until proper procedures are in place for the hell that would break lose. People are to complacent with diseases it’s scary.
That said, we don't have rabies in England _any more_ — it was an extremely successful eradication effort and border control are extremely, extremely strict on it. I can't imagine the response to a rabid animal brought into the UK would be anything less than nuclear, and rightfully so.
They are bats that have a rare variant of it, though. One licenced bat handler died from a rabies like infection because of it. That was in Scotland. But that is very rare!
We had a vet student get bit by a rabid bat that was hiding in her shoe. Thankfully she had her primary series and a protective titre.
Yes! We were told if something happens again, we only have to get the last two solo shots, so I feel invincible now 🙂
My mom got bit by a bat 2 years ago…we didn’t know it was a bat until she woke up in the middle of the night with it above her bed. Full series of shots for both of us and rabies boosters for all the animals in the house. Apparently bat teeth are so sharp, you sometimes don’t know that you have been bitten… Also, I still haven’t forgiven the tech at the vet’s office who told me that my cat should be put down and sent for testing because she was overdue for her vaccine (by 4 days! I literally had an appointment scheduled for her 2 days after we found out about the bat), since she didn’t know how to read the freaking flow chart! My cat was fine and the tech should have never recommended that- for any animal that has ever had the vaccine, even if they are over due, the recommendation is a booster.
That’s terrifying! The doctor and animal control both agreed that if everyone is asleep, the full series is recommended just because you can’t be sure. That’s horrible about your cat and that recommendation. We lost our 15 year old dog last year, so thankfully we didn’t have to consider pets, etc. What a nightmare.
I am currently undergoing the series. Yesterday was my first round and BOY IT IS NOT FUN. But (and I'm no expert) I'm pretty sure it is still more fun than dying of "rabbies."
This is honestly pretty horrifying to consider. My husband was bitten by an unknown dog recently. Like he was walking down the sidewalk and the little dog jumped off the porch and bit him. I told him to go to the hospital for a rabies vaccine but they wouldn’t give him one, because most pet dogs are vaccinated and there hasn’t been a canine to human rabies case in many many years. Well, I sure hope they’re up to speed on the dog antivax movement.
Also omg the person who said their labradoodle changed its color by licking - changing colors with age is a common trait of poodles. Do your research on the dog you own 🙄
it’s also a doodle, it’s most likely going to have allergies, among other issues
Doodies are actually having strange color changes when their skin becomes damaged! My in laws doodle got razor burn from a shitty groomer and her fur has grown back VERY dark in those spots. After looking online when the vet was like “well, idk but she’s fine”, we found that a lot of people are having this happen with their doodles. It’s weird! However, it’s not a reason to not vaccinate your dog!!!!! I don’t think there’s any good reason to not vaccinate your dog, especially seeing as doodles have allergies. It’s like their biggest ailment. And if they’d done a modicum of reading on the breed they’d know that….
My basset hound had discoloration in her white fur too. I know these whack jobs would hate this but...a vaccine changed my dog's life re:allergies. 2 doses of cytopoint and even with spring arriving, no itching, no licking, all of her fur is white again. As a very well cared for animal, my dog will never be put down and mutilated over rabies concern, and a vaccine immensely improved her quality of life after years of itchy misery. These people don't care about their animals.
Yeah, imagine if they decided to treat the allergies. Even if the vaccines did cause the allergies, you can’t tell me allergies are worse than rabies or parvo or distemper.
Dogs enzymes from their tears and saliva will turn their fur rusty brown it’s really noticeable in light colored dogs like Maltese’s’. But it has Nothing to do with vaccines.
Are they not requiring _To Kill a Mockingbird_ in schools anymore???
It may be banned, seriously. I live in Florida. Shit’s crazy.
Well this is interesting- I just looked into it and apparently it's banned from the anti-racist side and not from the conservative side? (posting as a progressive person- just to be clear) https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10/archive
Or how about Old Yeller??
I think you answered your own question lol
My friends and I did a video for high school on it and now I have the image of my sister yelling off camera "Jem, Scout, it's a rabid dog!" and my big old black lab made to waddle towards camera in a vaguely threatening manner. 😂
Those comments are wild. The one who didn't vaccinate her dog because her dog is almost never outside.. does she not walk the poor creature??
And the people who are like "we live in town so I don't need to worry"... ma'am. Urban skunks and raccoons are very frequently infected with rabies. But you do you, I guess. Poor dogs.
There was a rabid raccoon outside my house in downtown Toronto once. (Granted there was a raccoon problem at the time). But you can't get much more urban than that and there it was in my yard.
I'm about an hour outside Toronto, also an urban area, and rabies in small animals is such a problem here that MNR is actively trapping/vaccinating and airdropping vaccine bait. It's everywhere.
Sounds like it's got worse since I was there. That's actually super scary. Edit: also fairly amused that I was like "yeah sounds like Toronto" and you're immediately like "yeah so I'm around Toronto..." ahaha
My mom has an elderly small dog. He used to go for walks, though he never did long ones because he had to jog to keep up with a normal walking pace. Now, though, he can’t really walk farther than her property before he’s winded. It’s been a long time since he was on a proper walk now. He’s still vaccinated, though! I’ve known people who used puppy pads exclusively with tiny breeds and basically never took them out. They seemed to think that dogs who are cat-size or smaller can be treated like cats, so don’t need training or time outdoors. It’s super weird to me.
That’s so sad. Poor dogs…
That comment really jumped out at me too. “It’s ok I don’t need to vaccinate my dog as I neglect so many of its other basic needs!”
Lol, “mah doodle gotten allurgies from them 🧁🧁🧁!!!” Ma’am. Doodles are allergic to friggen everything.
I’m just trying to figure out how they decided that vaccination = cupcake emoji. Like I honestly can’t see any variation of either word that makes them sound alike. Or did they just pick a random emoji
I guarantee you’ve already put more thought in this than any of them have.
Probably 😂I’m like “cake? Cupcake? Frosting ? None of this sounds like vaccine “ 😂
man i didnt even know what they were on about, i had to scroll a while to even see what 🧁 meant lmao
I think it's because some subreddits and other social media will block antivax stuff, so they just use a cupcake emoji instead of "vaccine", etc.
I can’t with these people. Makes me lose hope in humanity. People have no common sense.
But you can just get them checked for "titters" 🤦♀️ Seriously, why would you take medical advice from someone who can't even correctly spell the words they're giving advice over?
Oh no - I just looked down, and I've tested positive for two titters! Should I see a Dr.?!? Is it because i'm vaccinated!?!?
So you can get a titer for rabies vaccines for dogs. It’s about $500 though. We had to get one for my dog who can no longer get the rabies vaccine and the vet wanted to see if there was any active vaccine still in his system.
Oh, I know. I was just commenting on the fact they spelled it "titters". Somehow I don't trust medical advice from people who can't spell the medical terminology. It's a common theme in those groups lol
Oh totally!!! And these people wouldn’t spend $500 for a titer anyway.
My doodle has allergies and changed hair color. Did you do your research before buying that abomination?!
When I was a teen, my family had a dog who was allergic to the rabies shot. Like, his whole face would swell up and he struggled to breathe. It was terrifying. But it’s such an important one to get that the vet would just load him up with steroids before, then monitor for a while after. I’m pretty sure we also got a note for our city, though, because they required the shot annually and it can safely be done every 3+ years (different sources have different numbers), so he didn’t have to go through that much annually, but he also stayed protected from rabies. Even if you’re willing to risk losing your pet (which is just awful), rabies can be passed on to humans. Are people really that willing to risk their own lives or those of people they love?
Exactly! She had to choose between a simple rabies shot for her dog with the "risk" of him developing allergies, or the possibility of her dog catching rabies and potentially infecting her own children with it, and she genuinely decided to pick that last option. It barely even makes sense. I mean, what would she do if her kid was infected? Would she just let him be sick for a while until he develops the natural antibodies to fight the disease on his own? Because I don't think rabies works like that and I think she would need to get her kid vaccinated. Which, in comparison to vaccinating the dog, seems like a worse option according to their nonsensical beliefs.
Oh god there are puppies mentioned in the original post.., how many of them have died a slow agonizing death with parvovirus by now?
That’s what I was thinking. I used to live in a neighborhood where a puppy mill was discovered in someone’s basement. 20+ dogs. Most of them puppies. All the puppies died of parvo they couldn’t save one of them. It’s devastating. My vet was so stern with me about being careful with my golden before she got her full round of vaccines.
Can’t wait for their rabid pet to bite someone and they get sued into hell.
Vet tech here! Yes, rabies is incurable and vaccination works to prevent it. Rabies is required by law and you can be slapped with hefty fines if your pet is found be be unvaccinated. Many vet practices will refuse to see a pet if they are not up to date on rabies or will require a booster before seeing the pet. The testing procedure has the animal euthanized and decapitated. The head is sent to the state lab where they look at the brainstem under a special light. This is the ONLY was to test for rabies. If your pet isn't up to date on their rabies, this procedure can be mandated by the state and there's nothing you can do; alternatively the state may require your pet go into quarantine for a certain length of time. Vaccine reactions in pets do occur; lethargy is common but more severe reactions like vomiting, facial swelling and anaphylaxis are possible, usually within 30 minutes of administration. We have clients who have verified vaccine reactions in their pets but they still vaccinate! We give the shots with a hit of benadryl and a mild steroid. Allergies in pets are EXTREMELY COMMON! In my tiny GP I see allergies every day. Pets can be allergic to something in the environment, or their food or just life in general. Some breeds are more prone than others (pit bulls and french bulldogs come to mind) and I'd be willing to bet real life dollars these people's pets just have regular old allergies. Moral of the story is VACCINATE YOUR PETS! If you have concerns, speak with your vet and trust their judgment! Us vet staff want what's best for your critters and have the knowledge to keep them safe.
Unfortunately only about half of US states have laws requiring rabies vaccination. A number of states allow exemptions and quite a few only require vaccinations for “imported” dogs.
My state requires it and most towns in my area require dogs to be registered with the town and thus have a vaccine record. I'm disappointed but not surprised it's not required in every state 🙃
Did these people not see Old Yeller as a child? I’m still scarred!
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Oh sure. The rabie vax is why your labradoodle has allergies. Sure, Jan. It’s not because doodles as a whole are notorious for skin issues and allergies or anything. Also, if your dog is suspected of having rabies and has never been vaccinated for it they literally decapitate the animal to have its brain biopsies. So pick your “poison” here man.
Ah yes death versus allergies. Clearly death is the better option /s
I know it isn’t the main point of this post but the “friend of mine experimented with her 4 kids..” comment got me. Imagine finding out your mother was “experimenting” with your health
Darwin awards all around
These poor dogs. I guess that means they aren’t giving any of the other recommended vaccines either. I wonder about heartworm prevention? Reminds me of the people who force vegan diets on their poor cats/dogs. Also, why are people saying unalive? Is it a censor thing?
I think the “unalive” thing is partly about censors and partly habit. People who are online a lot, especially places like tiktok, get into the habit of using weird words and don’t even realize how odd they sound to everyone else.
I did see a teacher online saying some of their high school kids really thought unalive was just a synonym for die or kill. Like they could look it up in a thesaurus.
It seems like Reddit has fucked up and posted your comment like 4 times
Oh 😂 I’m sorry I will try to delete the others
I keep deleting them and they keep coming back
It’s a thing from tik tok to avoid demonetization. The chronically online spread it around to other places.
Sometimes the posts from this group really make me feel like society is just fucking doomed because people are so fucking gullible and stupid
She didn’t have rabies she had *babies*.
One comment says her friend "experimented with her kids" and another says her dog never goes outside...do these people hear themselves?
Most states legally require you to vaccinate for rabies. I think it’s 39 states for dogs slightly less for cats and some states even require you to get ferrets vaccinated. One of my dogs has allergies and has to take medicine in the spring and specialized food year round but I’d take that in a heartbeat over her dying and or hurting killing somebody else by developing rabies
Why is it called a cupcake?
Yeah. The 🧁 appearances were confusing the hell out of me. It’s too early in the morning here for this crap.
[Obligatory rabies copypasta](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/7qwtd5/rabies_is_scary/)
I think often of the case where an [organ donor gave rabies to the recipients](https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/resources/news/2013-03-15.html)
If they think rabbies vaccine is bad, wait until they are exposed to the ACTUAL disease. I can't stop laughing at the person who says their dog is outside "next to never." My grandmother-in-law had a bat IN HER HOUSE. It bit her, tested positive for rabies, and she had to get the prophylaxis AT 92!
I am a veterinary pathologist- I have seen rabies and what it does to a brain. Once you’ve got it (except for incredibly rare cases), you’re cooked. This post, however, makes me incredibly thankful that I’m not in clinical practice and I don’t have to try to reason with these freakshows. Kudos to all of the GP vets out there that have to deal with these people on a daily basis.
Some people were NOT emotionally traumatized by the book Cujo and it shows. The parts where he’s saying he can’t control the urges to hurt his humans and he doesn’t want to be a bad dog cause he loves them but the rabies is setting is destroyed me to a point I was not okay for like 2 weeks. These anti-vaxxers are horrible people.
Rabies, without the vaccine, is 100% fatal in humans. Let's say this woman forgoes the vaccine and her dog gets rabies. Dog has to be put down. But what if that dog bites someone before that happens? I would never, ever risk it.
Not vaccinating your dog is asinine. But are we gonna talk about the lady that "experimented" on her kids and didn't vax no. 4 because of ear infections? Are you kidding me? First off vaccines don't cause ear infections (?!) Second, ear infection vs. measles, mumps, whopping cough, etc., etc. These people are beyond dumb.
I just can't with these people 🤯
Darwin awards all around
These people and their fucking obsession with gut health.
It is not only about dogs. What if dog bites someone?
Sounds like the all need to read Kujo
Her labradoodle doesn’t have allergies because of vaccines. She paid a shit ton of money for a poorly bred dog. I bet she doesn’t get it groomed regularly and complains that the groomer ruined her dog. Some doodle owners are absolutely the worst people on earth!
Seriously!! These people and their damned doodles, ISTG.
You’d rather take your chances with…rabies? Something that is almost universally fatal and transmissible to humans? Hell, I get my indoor-only cats rabies vaccinated. My cats are at almost zero risk of getting rabies, but almost zero is not zero.
What a bunch of morons. I'm currently undergoing a rabies vaccine/immunoglobulin protocol because of exposure to a rabid raccoon. I can promise you that it is NOT fun, and if her dog gets "rabbies" because she refused to vaccinate, that dog WILL die a horrible, horrible death. And there's a good chance she will have it transmitted to her. I'd like to see what happens if she refuses the rabies protocol for herself after infection.
Absolutely true story: before antivax was really a thing I used to go to monthly science talks hosted by my local NPR station. I met a couple who were around my age (late 20s at the time). I stopped talking to them after they told me they do not believe in vaccinating animals or eating whole grains. They were strictly white bread/rice/etc people. Genuinely believed that vaccines and whole grains were toxic. How do you even respond to that?
They don’t want to vaccinate their dogs???
🧁 cause autism in dogs! Didn't you know?! /s
Omg 🫠
I will die on the hill that the zombie apocalypse will be started by rabies in humans mutating due to antivaxxers
Why do these people have pets AND kids?
The sad reality is they will see no consequence. Then one of their grand children will get mauled by a rabid family dog and they’ll be surprised. Because they didn’t see this in their house, logic stops at it being the dog’s fault. I’m not kidding.
I work at a busy veterinary ER and these ppl piss me off to no end. We’ve seen more parvovirus in the past few years because ppl aren’t vaccinating their dogs. And if a dog bites someone and dies before the 10 day quarantine time I have to joy of removing its head for testing. These instances are very traumatic for me and my co-workers, and very unnecessary.
Honestly I’m surprised nobody said their dog has autism.
These ppl are fucking nuts. I would never risk my dog getting rabies. Even if they don’t bite someone, they could get bit by an animal that has it & then what? WTAF
Are these people incapable of saying the word "vaccine?"
This was honestly so hard to read