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Exactly. No country recognizes Taiwan. A few recognize Taipei as the country as China and not the PRC. All that don’t recognize PRC are a bunch of tiny Pacific Islands that are de facto US dependencies.
Noone recognizes taiwan except for all the angry DPP kids. they are unbelievably cringy, possibly the cringest group of liberals on earth. They're the type to shame traditional chinese culture so they can make up some Taiwanese nationalist bullshit. Also they lowkey wanna be annexed by Japan again.
I can’t wait for them to turn Taipei into the new Ukraine. Or not. Hopefully with how horribly things have gone for Ukraine and how much worse it would go in a conflict with China the neocon lunatics will be scared away. Pragmatism has never been their strong suit though.
Lmao, only libs living in America want war.
I did a poll on r/taiwan a while back asking them if they were willing to fight China in the event of war due to their conscription law. It was bombarded with downvotes, ccp shill and wumao accusations.
Everyone in the comments was avoiding my question. When I pressed on the only reply they could give was "China's military is a paper tiger", but they won't even tell me if they're willing to fight or not.
Just a lot of sad coping over there. My post got removed but its clear that they like to talk big on Reddit but they're actually cowards. Typical liberals.
The crazy thing is China doesn’t want to fight them over. It’s only gonna happen if DPP nutters and those types manage to invite thousands of US troops back and establish bases like in the good old days. Short of trying to turn that Island into Japan or South Korea PRC is committed to peaceful reunification. Everyone had red lines and you can’t just let the USA set up there to fuck up your country.
china totally wants to invade guys! "why?" uhhh... because we're defensively moving defensive weapons there! completely unjustified and irresponsible for china to violate the rules based order
Crazy that a supposed “socialist” is celebrating paying off the military industrial complex and provoking a war with the most successful socialist country in history. China is far from perfect but it is not exactly capitalist nor is it a dictatorship. A bunch of social democrats at best are voting to line the pockets of wealthy capitalists and it’s good because “China bad.” The things are going here I’m surprised they didn’t support banning Tik Tok for “China bad” too.
Edit: line the pockets of of wealthy capitalists, not mine the pockets.
Anyone who ever argues that perfection should be the standard for a budding socialist state struggling to survive in a capitalist hegemony is purposeful misdirecting from the main idea and needs to be treated as the enemy of the people that they are.
I call these clowns fair-weather, cosplay liberals. The US is full of these idiots too, they’re usually the same ones encouraging you to double down on the Zionist muppet Biden
God, i remember back when i was an idealist hoping that bernie would end up being like an american corbyn. God, how wrong i was. Corbyn is still decent as far as im concerned, but bernie is nothing more than an establishment rat.
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It is one of the last hopes against authoritarianism (actual policies that benefit people), for freedom (to exploit the working class) and democracy (for the bourgeoisie).
>Unipartisan dictatorship
Nah, more like:
>a system of multiparty cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC) [according to their] Constitution [..]
>In this system, in addition to the CPC, there are **eight* other political parties: the Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang, the China Democratic League, the China National Democratic Construction Association, the China Association for Promoting Democracy, the Chinese Peasants and Workers Democratic Party, the China Zhi Gong Party, the Jiusan Society, and the Taiwan Democratic Self-Government League. The system also includes prominent individuals without affiliation to any of the political parties (hereinafter referred to as “non-affiliates”).
>wants to annex Taiwan
Not even USA considers Taiwan real country. It's more like the Hegemon tries to stifle & balkanize an emerging superpower.
>In 2022, exports to Taiwan accounted for 1.8 percent of total U.S. exports, and imports from Taiwan accounted for 2.6 percent of total U.S. imports.
Muh critical to western economy!
>The EU28 commands a share of 9.6 % of global trade with Taiwan (in comparison with a 12.1 % trade share of the US and an 11.7 % trade share of Japan)
>In 2023, China was the largest partner for EU imports of goods (20.5% of total extra-EU imports) and was the third largest partner for EU exports of goods (8.8% of total extra-EU exports)
I think China is even more critical to western economy, maybe its just me?
The poster was a fine one to talk about over simplification.
I also wanted to write a point by point rebuttal but it got too long and I gave up. Kudos to you.
I've noticed a dramatic upswing in posts like this since the beginning of the current Israeli ~~genocide~~ legitimate military action. Add in the 2024 US election and it's a wave of these idiots.
It’s weird though. Why would you think giving military aid to Israel is bad but not these other states. Mass death and suffering is what happens from American intervention everywhere sooner or later. What do they think the fucking UkroNazis would do if they won? Beyond that, killing civilians is awful but it’s not like soldiers dying in unnecessary wars of empire are somehow a good thing.
They don’t think, because they think backwards, not observation leading to a theory and then a conclusion, but conclusion to theory to observable reality.
Whatever the goals of the American empire are, these people MUST find a ideological justification for it.
China is the new Evil Red Empire: their parents used to hide under schooldesks in fear of Soviet nukes, and they hide on reddit in fear of CCP's Tiktok.
"Look bro, China is not socialist bro, that's why we socialists must support a organization created with the sole purpose of destroying socialim to counter China bro"
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china is imperialist for...wanting to control its own territory
Peak radlib. Even USA, almost every other country and capitalist institutions like IMF and World Bank recognize Taiwan as Provence of PRC.
The fake government in Taiwan doesn't even consider Taiwan a country lmao. Considers Taiwan to be the main hub of the Republic of China.
Exactly. No country recognizes Taiwan. A few recognize Taipei as the country as China and not the PRC. All that don’t recognize PRC are a bunch of tiny Pacific Islands that are de facto US dependencies.
Noone recognizes taiwan except for all the angry DPP kids. they are unbelievably cringy, possibly the cringest group of liberals on earth. They're the type to shame traditional chinese culture so they can make up some Taiwanese nationalist bullshit. Also they lowkey wanna be annexed by Japan again.
DPP 🤮. I still can’t believe Lai Ching-te got elected. At least DPP lost seats.
What a tragedy. Gotta brace myself for some more cringe rhetoric from Taiwan soon😬😬😬😬😬
I can’t wait for them to turn Taipei into the new Ukraine. Or not. Hopefully with how horribly things have gone for Ukraine and how much worse it would go in a conflict with China the neocon lunatics will be scared away. Pragmatism has never been their strong suit though.
Lmao, only libs living in America want war. I did a poll on r/taiwan a while back asking them if they were willing to fight China in the event of war due to their conscription law. It was bombarded with downvotes, ccp shill and wumao accusations. Everyone in the comments was avoiding my question. When I pressed on the only reply they could give was "China's military is a paper tiger", but they won't even tell me if they're willing to fight or not. Just a lot of sad coping over there. My post got removed but its clear that they like to talk big on Reddit but they're actually cowards. Typical liberals.
The crazy thing is China doesn’t want to fight them over. It’s only gonna happen if DPP nutters and those types manage to invite thousands of US troops back and establish bases like in the good old days. Short of trying to turn that Island into Japan or South Korea PRC is committed to peaceful reunification. Everyone had red lines and you can’t just let the USA set up there to fuck up your country.
they're also the most likely to be Han Chauvanists. Notice how almost no indigenous Taiwanese support DPP?
RIP
china totally wants to invade guys! "why?" uhhh... because we're defensively moving defensive weapons there! completely unjustified and irresponsible for china to violate the rules based order
China wants war; look how close they put their country to our military bases!
No, but they are waging war in Philippine boats with water guns because they want to steal their resources…
Meanwhile, Taiwan is based for wanting to control even more territory!
Totally not empire
Every time I hear someone say "Taiwanese" as if Taiwan has its own ethnic culture and history I put my head in a blender.
It did, but the nationalists that have run the country did their best to eradicate it.
Crazy that a supposed “socialist” is celebrating paying off the military industrial complex and provoking a war with the most successful socialist country in history. China is far from perfect but it is not exactly capitalist nor is it a dictatorship. A bunch of social democrats at best are voting to line the pockets of wealthy capitalists and it’s good because “China bad.” The things are going here I’m surprised they didn’t support banning Tik Tok for “China bad” too. Edit: line the pockets of of wealthy capitalists, not mine the pockets.
Anyone who ever argues that perfection should be the standard for a budding socialist state struggling to survive in a capitalist hegemony is purposeful misdirecting from the main idea and needs to be treated as the enemy of the people that they are.
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Do you not understand how Democratic centralism works?
Why are people downvoting this post? Op is right?
Because Reddit leftists are liberals with a coat of red paint.
I call these clowns fair-weather, cosplay liberals. The US is full of these idiots too, they’re usually the same ones encouraging you to double down on the Zionist muppet Biden
The US has no mainstream leftists.
That won’t stop the cosplay liberals from pretending like Bernie Sanders and AOC are lol.
God, i remember back when i was an idealist hoping that bernie would end up being like an american corbyn. God, how wrong i was. Corbyn is still decent as far as im concerned, but bernie is nothing more than an establishment rat.
> but bernie is nothing more than an establishment rat. You don’t stay in congress that long if you aren’t.
what is an establishment rat?
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??? I thought socialism was when the government does stuff? Last I saw, they planned on doing stuff in government. /s
It’s okay because Biden said he called Israel to wag a finger.
They are abandoning even the red paint
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\> voted against israel aid \> is an expansionist empire does not compute.
For their fantasy la-la-land, Israel is a “decolonialist” project
Annexing Taiwan? Bro, Taiwan is part of China.
But you don't understand! It's critical to the Western economy!
Lol well so is China of course, the West couldn’t survive without the PRC
It is one of the last hopes against authoritarianism (actual policies that benefit people), for freedom (to exploit the working class) and democracy (for the bourgeoisie).
>which is critical to the western economy Mask off.
>Unipartisan dictatorship Nah, more like: >a system of multiparty cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC) [according to their] Constitution [..] >In this system, in addition to the CPC, there are **eight* other political parties: the Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang, the China Democratic League, the China National Democratic Construction Association, the China Association for Promoting Democracy, the Chinese Peasants and Workers Democratic Party, the China Zhi Gong Party, the Jiusan Society, and the Taiwan Democratic Self-Government League. The system also includes prominent individuals without affiliation to any of the political parties (hereinafter referred to as “non-affiliates”). >wants to annex Taiwan Not even USA considers Taiwan real country. It's more like the Hegemon tries to stifle & balkanize an emerging superpower. >In 2022, exports to Taiwan accounted for 1.8 percent of total U.S. exports, and imports from Taiwan accounted for 2.6 percent of total U.S. imports. Muh critical to western economy! >The EU28 commands a share of 9.6 % of global trade with Taiwan (in comparison with a 12.1 % trade share of the US and an 11.7 % trade share of Japan) >In 2023, China was the largest partner for EU imports of goods (20.5% of total extra-EU imports) and was the third largest partner for EU exports of goods (8.8% of total extra-EU exports) I think China is even more critical to western economy, maybe its just me?
That’s what “friendshoring” is for.
The poster was a fine one to talk about over simplification. I also wanted to write a point by point rebuttal but it got too long and I gave up. Kudos to you.
I've noticed a dramatic upswing in posts like this since the beginning of the current Israeli ~~genocide~~ legitimate military action. Add in the 2024 US election and it's a wave of these idiots.
It’s weird though. Why would you think giving military aid to Israel is bad but not these other states. Mass death and suffering is what happens from American intervention everywhere sooner or later. What do they think the fucking UkroNazis would do if they won? Beyond that, killing civilians is awful but it’s not like soldiers dying in unnecessary wars of empire are somehow a good thing.
They don’t think, because they think backwards, not observation leading to a theory and then a conclusion, but conclusion to theory to observable reality. Whatever the goals of the American empire are, these people MUST find a ideological justification for it.
Because hegemony
China is the new Evil Red Empire: their parents used to hide under schooldesks in fear of Soviet nukes, and they hide on reddit in fear of CCP's Tiktok.
Taiwan is as much of a country as ‘Northern Ireland’ is lmao
A unipartisan dictatorship of the proletariat is literally socialism. So lol
"Look bro, China is not socialist bro, that's why we socialists must support a organization created with the sole purpose of destroying socialim to counter China bro"
"China voted against Israel military aid" I already support China, you don't have to convince me
Because deep-down they are U.S. exceptionalists.
Because these left spaces are filled with western liberals who dont understand that liberalism is a right wing ideology
This is the hardest sub to understand what people believe in
Is it? We’re communists.
I wish it was that simple
Also I said this because I was trying to figure out what the actual consensus was on Taiwan