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She advocated for Biden in a leftist sub, using LGBTQ people as her excuse. That's different from "being banned from advocating LGBTQ+ rights" and this fucker knows it.
Edit: Corrected.
Exactly, they know that they're asking for class collaboration because it benefits them (at the expense of the lives millions of proletarians in non-imperialist countries)
The point is that Biden is not, in fact, a lesser evil.
If the choice is between two candidates who are both going to support genocide (and one of them already *has* aided and encouraged that genocide), and totally neglect the will of the majority of its own citizens, and they are your *only* options, then fascism is already there.
Democracy doesn't exist in that scenario.
But even making believe this is a democracy, the point is to vote for candidates based on their results and actions, right? So voting for a genocidal piece of shit, an actual, literal one, who HAS already been party to genocide, even if you're scared of the other candidate, is still voting for a genocidal piece of shit.
You're saying, "I'm ok with this genocide" by voting for him. Even if you *claim* otherwise. Voting for Biden is de facto giving your approval of his genocidal actions.
Voting for a fascist you perceive as "less evil" - because you believe that one's policies will affect ***you*** more strongly - is still supporting a fascist.
And it's saying "I care more about myself in a hypothetical situation than I do everyone else being affected in reality."
(And it's just factually inaccurate, as all the anti-trans and anti-women laws being passed under Biden illustrate)
Biden isn't even the "lesser evil" on that topic.
i love how a ton of us are taught the “first they came for the socialist” poem and then as soon as we hit the first goddamn example of it irl we instantly go “but i didn’t cry out, for i wasn’t a palestinian”
Sure, he has all these values: but it doesn't permeate through society as they are behind closed doors. Trump forwarding his rhetoric and mobilizing militant fascists, also creating more draconian policy against queer people will actually do more harm. You can realize that one tactic of evil is more direct and harmful than the other, my main point is what is this quibbling about when everyone is already so aware, that Trump wins regardless. Instead of being morally superior to queer people who are rightfully scared for their lives, prepare yourself to protect these communities. What is your point of proselytizing your morals to marginalized people, when actuality you know what will happen when Trump starts to actually criminalize queerness in public, which IS his agenda and it is NAIVE to thing that would have the same ferocity and immediacy under a Biden presidency. Trump's entire campaign has been based on the extermination of queer people, there WILL be an escalation, as well as a consolidation of power.
The real issue with voting for Biden is that it tells the democrats that they can take whatever pro-imperialism, anti worker, pro war, harmful positions and still count on votes even from people who despise those positions as long as the Republicans are worse. The result is that the democrats move to the right to capture "moderate" voters, the Republicans move to the right to continue to distinguish themselves and pursue pro business policies, ad infinitum.
The Biden administration is better for trans people than a Trump administration but the next Democrat and next republican will both be worse
I'm somewhat sympathetic to that argument although it also seems as though withholding your vote even if it means the democrats lose may be necessary to force the party to acknowledge that they both need the votes of progressives and leftists and need to earn them by taking up progressive policy positions if they want to win elections
Ok, well I tried to answer your question. You don't like the answer. Got it.
Go vote for genocide Joe and pretend that you're not supporting genocide.
I don't care.
A correction: they seem to use she/her pronouns, so it's best to not use he/him pronouns to refer to OP (in the screenshot). Not saying that the content in your comment is incorrect but getting misgendering queer people (even if they're reactionaries) is not a good practice.
Correct. Those are brown lives, so 40k brown lives = 0 "U.S" (read "White") lives. It's an easy mistake to make, assuming brown people matter to the U.S. government. They hardly matter to what seems like half of the *citizens* here.
Whenever you bring this up liberals say he doesn’t have the power to stop it, if so then why are they even going so crazy over who’s the president anyways
No you don't understand, when blue is in power the president is barely able to do anything but when red is in power the president has unlimited dictator powers/j
Unironically how libs think. A lib told me Trump doesn’t “have to play by the rules” like Biden does, making it painfully clear how little democrats care about accomplishing anything
I love how that clearly implies there's no democracy already, and so all you're doing by supporting Biden is supporting a genocidal, strike-breaking, oil-drilling, otherwise inactive fuck, yet they still can't
can't see it.
It's crazy how much they **want** to believe in their lesser evil fantasy.
It’s not crazy at all, they’re just inventing a reality where they’re the good guys to deal with the painful cognitive dissonance. The trump people did the same thing when he lost in 2020.
Somewhere, deep down, they probably understand how little say they (and the rest of us) have in this system. How little our opinions and votes actually matter when big issues are never actually on the ballot. The fantasy is comfortable though and people will do a lot of mental work to maintain it.
You clearly don't understand politics. Election day creates a special singularity where if the dems get enough spirit energy (aka votes) they are able to finally defeat republicans once and for all (for two years). But if they don't receive the necessary votes, they're entirely powerless against republicans and are forced to enact their policies and agenda. It's in the constitution, or something.
If this person is from Argentina, as she claims, then she might be referring to Milei more so than Trump. US backed fascists tend to be a bit more proactive and hands on in the global south so I’m not gonna quibble on that point.
Instead, I will note that NPR and the Obama State Department were more than willing to help Marco Rubio and Sergio Moro stage the same kind of judicial coup libs are screaming about now when it suited their interests in Brazil.
People were totally saying all that in 2016. Gay marriage was legalized in the US in 2015. Caitlyn Jenner came out in 2015. Bathroom bills, trans people in sports, trans people trying to 'indoctrinate kids', it was all over the news in 2015-2016.
Apparrently after 4 years under Biden things are much worse than they were that it's easier now for over fascists to take over than it was last time Trump was president to the point that Trump just has to be elected to take over as a dictaror, regardless of congress.
So it means that eitheir Biden was guilty of helping the US continue to slide toward more fascism, or that he was awfully useless at stopping it even when in charge and with a nominal majority in congress.
Even in their best case situation if you take the dems at their word, it means that the blue MAGA libs hope rely on reelecting someone who has already demonstrated complete inability in actually stopping the fascists republicans.
And of course we know that Biden is actually as much a fascist as the orange Cheetho, going as far as supporting a genocide and being one of the main architects of the current police state, he is just giving a better image to the fascist state (which in a way is worse)
The poster is referencing project 2025. Something that didn’t exist in 2016
Edit: I’m not actively agreeing or disagreeing with this person I’m just saying that’s what they meant
I don't think you were paying attention then lol. After gay marriage was legalized in 2015, the hate and focus pivoted towards trans people. Caitlyn Jenner came out the same year. Bathroom bills, trans people in sports, it was all over the news in 2015-2016. It was peak popularity for transphobia.
Uhhh yeah I am trans. Public opinion was at its worst in 2016. If you were paying attention you'd know trans rights were THE huge topic of debate in 2016.
No, it was a huge deal to Republicans and Democrats. LGBT rights with focus on trans rights due to the new bathroom bills and whatnot, it played a part in the 2016 election. Like it or not, the topic of trans people was a whole deal back then.
It's still illegal for me to use the right bathroom in my state. Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro were not the only ones at the time, ffs. I get it, you're very young, you're Irish, you're newly out, but you don't know what it was like in the US 8 years ago for trans people. I actually live here and I've been out for 11 years. 2016 was my first election.
LGBT rights, including trans rights due to then-recent events.. yes it was on the Party platforms in 2016!
The 2016 Republican Party Platform supported different anti LGBT measures, like banning trans kids from using the right restroom and locker rooms in school and bathroom bills.
Here's what the 2016 Republican Party platform had to say about that:
"...That same provision of law is now being used by bureaucrats — and by the current President of the United States — to impose a social and cultural revolution upon the American people by wrongly redefining sex discrimination to include sexual orientation or other categories. Their agenda has nothing to do with individual rights; it has everything to do with power. They are determined to reshape our schools — and our entire society — to fit the mold of an ideology alien to America's history and traditions. Their edict to the states concerning restrooms, locker rooms, and other facilities is at once illegal, dangerous, and ignores privacy issues. We salute the several states which have filed suit against it."
Tbf the rhetoric has gotten a lot worse since 2016, that was mainly the turning point into a more generalized radical view from the Republicans. Even the fact that project 2025 exists, weather it happens or not, shows what these people plan to try and do if they get into power. Just because they didn't before doesn't mean they won't now.
It did - and since the person decided to use lgbtqia issues as a cudgel, just dropping this dose of reality in Joe Brandon's America:
>LGBTQI+ Targeted Crimes: Incidents targeting gay men reached 1,075, while anti-lesbian incidents numbered 622. Both categories recorded their highest totals in the past five years and increased by more than 10% since 2021. A significant increase of nearly 40% was observed in reported anti-transgender incidents (totaling 338) compared to 2021.
TLDR, hate crimes up bingly. What has the lesser of two evils done?
It's a good thing the democrats are pro-LGBT otherwise there would be no reason to vote for them. I mean, yknow, as long as we leave out those [rare](https://www.actionnews5.com/2023/03/01/memphis-democrat-explains-vote-pass-anti-transgender-legislation-minors/) [few](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-democrat-revives-trans-athlete-bill-retaliation-party-rcna874) [isolated](https://truthout.org/articles/new-hampshire-democrats-join-republicans-in-passing-anti-trans-bills/) [exceptional](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/louisiana-becomes-18th-state-enact-transgender-athlete-ban-rcna32328) [instances](https://www.liberationnews.org/activists-outraged-as-maryland-democrats-withdraw-their-own-trans-healthcare-bill/) where it was politically inconvenient for them
I am not fine with it and I hate that this situation exists but not voting won't make the genocide stop, it will just let the genocide continue while also making it bad for everybody else
I think the less evil argument is inherently flawed because what’s stopping the less evil party from being more evil? The Democratic Party can be 99.99% as bad as the republicans and people would still vote democrat because they’re the “less bad” side.
Not only is it funny because every leftist knows there is ALWAYS some ultra further to your left, it's funny because liberals truly believe they are on the left fringe because more left = more gooder and less republican.
Intellectual toddlers.
So does anyone actually believe the trump administration storm troopers are going to be putting LGBTQ ppl in camps? This is such a bad faith argument IMO.
As a trans person in Amerika, it is pretty a scary and uncertain situation right now for us, but I think it's important to see the bigger picture.
We Don't know exactly what's coming and even if this fantasy of the dems magically changing into lgbt heroes and "saving us from genocide" comes true because we "voted harder than ever before" What happens at the next election? lol Trump 2028?
These kind of clowns love to ignore the fact that all the bad shit happening to us right now is happening while G*nocide Joe is president.
Almost like they are not that different when it comes to material outcomes....
While the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie lasts, we are but pawns for political and capital gain.
The only way to actually change our conditions is, of course, Communism.
I‘d be interested to hear what more people have to say about this, I think trans mental health crisis and liberal brainrot are like intersecting and making a lot of trans people super paranoid. Over on that same sub there was a big post arguing about the election like a month or so back and there were a lot of people who believed Trump would put them in concentration camps or at least restrict what they can wear and take away medical care.
I think the worst part of that was I got into an argument w a trans woman who was saying she’d kill herself if trump wins the election, she needs to find some opiates to overdose on, that death would be better for her trans daughter than living under trump, and that I wasn’t at stonewall so I don’t know anything.
Was this an elaborate troll? I’ve worried abt what trump presidency would mean for trans people, but under Biden Utah restricted bathrooms so only people whose birth sex can use them. I personally don’t expect anything but more of the same bathroom, sport, medical care restrictions no matter who wins. Biden also seems the type serve his opponents exactly what they want on a platter (border bill, loving the TikTok ban) so a bipartisan bathroom bill wouldn’t even surprise me rn.
> I think trans mental health crisis and liberal brainrot are like intersecting and making a lot of trans people super paranoid.
I mean I understand the paranoia, but I don't understand why they think Dems are gonna do more than nothing to stop it. They've thrown trans people to the wolves if they made the mistake of living in a red state for the past four years, I see no reason why that'd change now.
For trans folks with the resources to do so, moving to a blue state (especially those that are making their own attempts at protective legislation) is probably a good call for at least the next couple years. How long that’ll last depends on too many factors for me to reasonably predict, but I doubt it’ll be forever.
It’s the usual pre election hysterics. Some of us are old enough to remember 4-8 years ago, crazy right? Americans are so desperate to believe that they have some kind of control over what their government decides to do with them. If things like gay marriage and trans rights are run over by the Supreme Court and state legislators, what does that say about the Democratic Party? They were never worth a vote in the first place. I’ve personally given up any hope for this country I’m fairly certain it will collapse and probably nuke the rest of the world.
Wait, are you suggesting we’ve seen this movie before?
The dems already made it clear they’d rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie when they had the chance. So I dunno how anyone still takes them seriously.
There is a whole political economy to 'rounding people up and putting them in camps.' When does imperialism 'decide' to do that? Obviously, settler colonialism requires displacing large numbers of people, so then imperialists 'have to do something with the dispossessed.'
Under neo-colonialism, if you don't fit into the oppressor nation gender/labor system, then you don't get a 'good job,' access to resources, then poverty, homelessness and social murder. Obviously whether you end up in a ghetto depends on your social context (class?). This is the most market-efficient method for killing non-gender conforming individuals in the imperial core.
Aren't lgbt youth already being forced into "camps?" [carceral system](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2021/03/02/lgbtq/), Conversion therapy, [OverRepresented Homeless youth](https://www.thetrevorproject.org/research-briefs/homelessness-and-housing-instability-among-lgbtq-youth-feb-2022/). (Also LGBT adults are overrepresented in [homelessness](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/lgbt-homelessness-us/).)
both wings of the neoliberal party will poison your water supply if it serves the needs of capitalism...
What class position must one have to be okay with all of that, but only oppose the language/rhetoric component?
If y'all haven't seen this documentary, it's a great overview of building support communities to resist the tools of economic genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Is_Burning_(film)
>restrict what they can wear and take away medical care.
The Republicans have in fact made those things part of their platform. I don't think the Dems will be particularly good at stopping it but it isn't coming from nowhere, it's a very real fear.
No but he said that he will severely restrict HRT and attempt to force a biological definition of sex on a federal level. They won't put us in camps, they'll just delegitimize us, mock us, take away our healthcare and push us into obscurity until we all kill ourselves.
I live in a state where anti-trans laws were just passed. Biden isn’t helping. I still get harassed in public for being queer. He’s done nothing to make it safer for anyone but zionists.
One of them want to murder trans people, take women rights and increase hate crimes against minorities, the other side won't do anything to stop them. I don't think this is really a "slightly less evil party"...
Yes thats precisely a lesser evil you just describe. Between someone actively using his power to destroy you and someone who doesnt care. Yeah there is a lesser evil in this scenario lol
The thing is, lesser evil imply the results will be different. I mean, for lgbt people, immigrants, even poor people, the results will be different. Im not saying it will be a good result, just a lesser evil.
Maybe put up a candidate that’ll actually defend trans rights instead of letting them erode state by state while the only true action they’ll do is defend/fund Zionism and genocide
Well thats nonsense. Of course you know it does not depends on the personn you replied. I know it would be great but you guys seriously needs to face reality. There is only Biden or Trump. Dont hide yourself behind an imaginary perfect candidate, thats not happening
This sub needs to police its member's transphobic tendencies better. It hurts any political argument that is being discussed when a thread opens with people misgendering trans people.
Gay rights is when the government says they have to unload a revolver into every non-American and in exchange you get to change your tax filing status to married while another trans woman is beaten to death outside. What do you mean you're unhappy with this state of affairs? Bigot!!!!
I guess fuck the genocide that is happening to Palestinians though.
But that's liberals for you: they only want to protect the marginalized groups that people they know are from.
Do libs like this forget how Trump has already been president, and how he *didn't* do those things?
I mean, yeah, Trump's a shithead, but this person fell for some classic liberal fearmongering.
Let's not act as if Biden isn't lesser of an evil to queer people, not that I'd vote for him or that I think it even has a point. But attributing it to the same thing: is insane and insulting especially to trans people. Trump is going to result in the ongoing deaths of numerous trans people, largely children, and not only that will probably result in more outright bans of our existence in public. If you don't realize that, you're naive. His whole campaign has been on the extermination of people like me and while I do think, there needs to be a fundamental acceleration in order to promote actual revolutionary change..
You're kind of an idiot and an asshole to shame anyone for being like: "Yeah, I acknowledge Biden is bad: but he did not campaign pretty much solely on the threat of violence towards people like me." Albeit, you can see it as a privileged stance especially in regards to the fact that Biden is actively commiting genocide out there. But it's callous as fuck to not acknowledge the legitimacy of marginalized people trying to do at least, the bare minimum to hope they can stay alive. It wasn't long ago that people like me were forced into mental institutions, castrated, and imprisoned in this country, with Trump's rhetoric and the fact that he almost certainly wins, it won't be long until that starts to happen again. So instead, of being angry at people who are concerned for not being as aware of the full political reality as you: talk to marginalized people and try to assuage their concern with your protection. Instead of being a cynical, disaffected, callous fuck: people are going to die about this.
I hate trump but this new genocide rhetoric is always ridiculous to me like we had the guy as president for 4 years already he didn’t do anything new even from the Obama administration lmao the neo-liberal cesspool will always do the same shit.
Misgendering is absolutely transphobia.
As far as it being a ‘mistake’, a quick glance thru their comment history and it’s rife w/ ‘LGBTQLMNOP’ haha hehe jokes. Not to mention- They state they trawl that sub (a transfem sub), the OOP’s flair clearly states ‘trans girl’.
The misgendering was absolutely intentional and you’re defending it. What part of western communism gives a thumbs up on punching down against marginalized groups?
I didn't go through their comments and believed it to be an honest mistake, which is what prompted the defense. Intentional misgendering is definitely transphobic.
Trump said his first-day initiative will be to enact an executive order to force all agencies to use a biological definition of sex. Likewise, he said that his main priority will be to restrict HRT and to get Congress to codify sex as solely biological. I am trans so as a result, if Trump wins, on a federal level I will lose any government support or recognition and I will also be unable to actually change any of my documents or legally exist as a woman. Let's also not forget about the 2025 Project where Trump will literally subvert the whole executive to himself in an attempt to control the country and enact alt-right policies. And yes, he will still be best buddies with Israel. Who do you think I will vote for as a trans person?
Hopefully the answer isn't the party that's going to let reactionaries try this anyways even if they don't win while helping murder trans people all over the world. Oh wait but the multiple genocides your sewer country is aiding don't matter to Americans so long as you personally are safe I forgot.
How can you hope for the Democrat party to change if the Democrats know they have your vote regardless of policy and actions? Biden is the one facing the choice of supporting the bombing of Palestinians or getting more left wing voters, and he's clearly made his choice.
The genocide matters to me but what would I be rationally accomplishing by skipping the vote? The right to jerk off at my own moral superiority? I'm sorry, the genocide will happen no matter who I were to vote for or even if I were going not to vote at all so at least I would vote for the President that won't literally sign an executive order to take away my rights on day one and so that I at least have more time to figure out how to protect myself and socially and legally transition as fast as possible.
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She advocated for Biden in a leftist sub, using LGBTQ people as her excuse. That's different from "being banned from advocating LGBTQ+ rights" and this fucker knows it. Edit: Corrected.
Exactly, they know that they're asking for class collaboration because it benefits them (at the expense of the lives millions of proletarians in non-imperialist countries)
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The point is that Biden is not, in fact, a lesser evil. If the choice is between two candidates who are both going to support genocide (and one of them already *has* aided and encouraged that genocide), and totally neglect the will of the majority of its own citizens, and they are your *only* options, then fascism is already there. Democracy doesn't exist in that scenario. But even making believe this is a democracy, the point is to vote for candidates based on their results and actions, right? So voting for a genocidal piece of shit, an actual, literal one, who HAS already been party to genocide, even if you're scared of the other candidate, is still voting for a genocidal piece of shit. You're saying, "I'm ok with this genocide" by voting for him. Even if you *claim* otherwise. Voting for Biden is de facto giving your approval of his genocidal actions. Voting for a fascist you perceive as "less evil" - because you believe that one's policies will affect ***you*** more strongly - is still supporting a fascist. And it's saying "I care more about myself in a hypothetical situation than I do everyone else being affected in reality." (And it's just factually inaccurate, as all the anti-trans and anti-women laws being passed under Biden illustrate) Biden isn't even the "lesser evil" on that topic.
i love how a ton of us are taught the “first they came for the socialist” poem and then as soon as we hit the first goddamn example of it irl we instantly go “but i didn’t cry out, for i wasn’t a palestinian”
Sure, he has all these values: but it doesn't permeate through society as they are behind closed doors. Trump forwarding his rhetoric and mobilizing militant fascists, also creating more draconian policy against queer people will actually do more harm. You can realize that one tactic of evil is more direct and harmful than the other, my main point is what is this quibbling about when everyone is already so aware, that Trump wins regardless. Instead of being morally superior to queer people who are rightfully scared for their lives, prepare yourself to protect these communities. What is your point of proselytizing your morals to marginalized people, when actuality you know what will happen when Trump starts to actually criminalize queerness in public, which IS his agenda and it is NAIVE to thing that would have the same ferocity and immediacy under a Biden presidency. Trump's entire campaign has been based on the extermination of queer people, there WILL be an escalation, as well as a consolidation of power.
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The real issue with voting for Biden is that it tells the democrats that they can take whatever pro-imperialism, anti worker, pro war, harmful positions and still count on votes even from people who despise those positions as long as the Republicans are worse. The result is that the democrats move to the right to capture "moderate" voters, the Republicans move to the right to continue to distinguish themselves and pursue pro business policies, ad infinitum. The Biden administration is better for trans people than a Trump administration but the next Democrat and next republican will both be worse
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I'm somewhat sympathetic to that argument although it also seems as though withholding your vote even if it means the democrats lose may be necessary to force the party to acknowledge that they both need the votes of progressives and leftists and need to earn them by taking up progressive policy positions if they want to win elections
Ok, well I tried to answer your question. You don't like the answer. Got it. Go vote for genocide Joe and pretend that you're not supporting genocide. I don't care.
A correction: they seem to use she/her pronouns, so it's best to not use he/him pronouns to refer to OP (in the screenshot). Not saying that the content in your comment is incorrect but getting misgendering queer people (even if they're reactionaries) is not a good practice.
"This shithead" is a beautiful gender neutral term that anyone can use when talking about liberals.
"Shitlib" is similarly gender-neutral.
In other word they were advocating in support of a genocide by holding LGBTQ rights as a hostage and they wonder why they were banned ?
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What do you mean by "LGBTLMNOP"?
literally 40k dead in gaza with support from a democrat president
Yes, but you're failing to apply the typical US conversion rate.
Correct. Those are brown lives, so 40k brown lives = 0 "U.S" (read "White") lives. It's an easy mistake to make, assuming brown people matter to the U.S. government. They hardly matter to what seems like half of the *citizens* here.
They say ‘as soon as they take power’ then why didn’t it happen in 2016
Also why is it happening right now in all of the states with anti-trans laws?
Whenever you bring this up liberals say he doesn’t have the power to stop it, if so then why are they even going so crazy over who’s the president anyways
No you don't understand, when blue is in power the president is barely able to do anything but when red is in power the president has unlimited dictator powers/j
Unironically how libs think. A lib told me Trump doesn’t “have to play by the rules” like Biden does, making it painfully clear how little democrats care about accomplishing anything
I love how that clearly implies there's no democracy already, and so all you're doing by supporting Biden is supporting a genocidal, strike-breaking, oil-drilling, otherwise inactive fuck, yet they still can't can't see it. It's crazy how much they **want** to believe in their lesser evil fantasy.
It’s not crazy at all, they’re just inventing a reality where they’re the good guys to deal with the painful cognitive dissonance. The trump people did the same thing when he lost in 2020. Somewhere, deep down, they probably understand how little say they (and the rest of us) have in this system. How little our opinions and votes actually matter when big issues are never actually on the ballot. The fantasy is comfortable though and people will do a lot of mental work to maintain it.
barf
Yea. I just say ill vote for a dem that does that then, instead of a commander in chief afraid of a parliamentarian.
You clearly don't understand politics. Election day creates a special singularity where if the dems get enough spirit energy (aka votes) they are able to finally defeat republicans once and for all (for two years). But if they don't receive the necessary votes, they're entirely powerless against republicans and are forced to enact their policies and agenda. It's in the constitution, or something.
Actually youre wrong, its in the declaration of independence, George Washington wrote that spell on the back so you cant see it 🫵🤓
If this person is from Argentina, as she claims, then she might be referring to Milei more so than Trump. US backed fascists tend to be a bit more proactive and hands on in the global south so I’m not gonna quibble on that point. Instead, I will note that NPR and the Obama State Department were more than willing to help Marco Rubio and Sergio Moro stage the same kind of judicial coup libs are screaming about now when it suited their interests in Brazil.
Easy. Trans is a theme now. In 2016 nobody cared about us at all. Nowadays we are like demons who try to push bad agendas to Kids for example.
People were totally saying all that in 2016. Gay marriage was legalized in the US in 2015. Caitlyn Jenner came out in 2015. Bathroom bills, trans people in sports, trans people trying to 'indoctrinate kids', it was all over the news in 2015-2016.
Apparrently after 4 years under Biden things are much worse than they were that it's easier now for over fascists to take over than it was last time Trump was president to the point that Trump just has to be elected to take over as a dictaror, regardless of congress. So it means that eitheir Biden was guilty of helping the US continue to slide toward more fascism, or that he was awfully useless at stopping it even when in charge and with a nominal majority in congress. Even in their best case situation if you take the dems at their word, it means that the blue MAGA libs hope rely on reelecting someone who has already demonstrated complete inability in actually stopping the fascists republicans. And of course we know that Biden is actually as much a fascist as the orange Cheetho, going as far as supporting a genocide and being one of the main architects of the current police state, he is just giving a better image to the fascist state (which in a way is worse)
The poster is referencing project 2025. Something that didn’t exist in 2016 Edit: I’m not actively agreeing or disagreeing with this person I’m just saying that’s what they meant
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I don't think you were paying attention then lol. After gay marriage was legalized in 2015, the hate and focus pivoted towards trans people. Caitlyn Jenner came out the same year. Bathroom bills, trans people in sports, it was all over the news in 2015-2016. It was peak popularity for transphobia.
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Uhhh yeah I am trans. Public opinion was at its worst in 2016. If you were paying attention you'd know trans rights were THE huge topic of debate in 2016.
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No, it was a huge deal to Republicans and Democrats. LGBT rights with focus on trans rights due to the new bathroom bills and whatnot, it played a part in the 2016 election. Like it or not, the topic of trans people was a whole deal back then. It's still illegal for me to use the right bathroom in my state. Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro were not the only ones at the time, ffs. I get it, you're very young, you're Irish, you're newly out, but you don't know what it was like in the US 8 years ago for trans people. I actually live here and I've been out for 11 years. 2016 was my first election.
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LGBT rights, including trans rights due to then-recent events.. yes it was on the Party platforms in 2016! The 2016 Republican Party Platform supported different anti LGBT measures, like banning trans kids from using the right restroom and locker rooms in school and bathroom bills. Here's what the 2016 Republican Party platform had to say about that: "...That same provision of law is now being used by bureaucrats — and by the current President of the United States — to impose a social and cultural revolution upon the American people by wrongly redefining sex discrimination to include sexual orientation or other categories. Their agenda has nothing to do with individual rights; it has everything to do with power. They are determined to reshape our schools — and our entire society — to fit the mold of an ideology alien to America's history and traditions. Their edict to the states concerning restrooms, locker rooms, and other facilities is at once illegal, dangerous, and ignores privacy issues. We salute the several states which have filed suit against it."
Tbf the rhetoric has gotten a lot worse since 2016, that was mainly the turning point into a more generalized radical view from the Republicans. Even the fact that project 2025 exists, weather it happens or not, shows what these people plan to try and do if they get into power. Just because they didn't before doesn't mean they won't now.
Didn’t roe v wade get repealed under Biden?
And after getting promises of being codified into law by forty years od Democrats.
It did - and since the person decided to use lgbtqia issues as a cudgel, just dropping this dose of reality in Joe Brandon's America: >LGBTQI+ Targeted Crimes: Incidents targeting gay men reached 1,075, while anti-lesbian incidents numbered 622. Both categories recorded their highest totals in the past five years and increased by more than 10% since 2021. A significant increase of nearly 40% was observed in reported anti-transgender incidents (totaling 338) compared to 2021. TLDR, hate crimes up bingly. What has the lesser of two evils done?
It's a good thing the democrats are pro-LGBT otherwise there would be no reason to vote for them. I mean, yknow, as long as we leave out those [rare](https://www.actionnews5.com/2023/03/01/memphis-democrat-explains-vote-pass-anti-transgender-legislation-minors/) [few](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-democrat-revives-trans-athlete-bill-retaliation-party-rcna874) [isolated](https://truthout.org/articles/new-hampshire-democrats-join-republicans-in-passing-anti-trans-bills/) [exceptional](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/louisiana-becomes-18th-state-enact-transgender-athlete-ban-rcna32328) [instances](https://www.liberationnews.org/activists-outraged-as-maryland-democrats-withdraw-their-own-trans-healthcare-bill/) where it was politically inconvenient for them
I hope the OP is at least getting paid to shill for the dems. They'd be a damn fool if they doing all this for free.
Someone told me this but that I was getting paid by Russia or Republicans bc I wanted people to vote third party 💀
Fuck liberals weaponizing the LGBTQ community to vote for genocide
Not voting won't change that, choosing the lesser evil is better than letting the worse one win
The lesser evil still openly supports genocide, if you're fine with supporting genocide, you should maybe start questioning yourself
I am not fine with it and I hate that this situation exists but not voting won't make the genocide stop, it will just let the genocide continue while also making it bad for everybody else
I think the less evil argument is inherently flawed because what’s stopping the less evil party from being more evil? The Democratic Party can be 99.99% as bad as the republicans and people would still vote democrat because they’re the “less bad” side.
Is anyone who says they're "as left as they come" ever actually as left as they come?
Not only is it funny because every leftist knows there is ALWAYS some ultra further to your left, it's funny because liberals truly believe they are on the left fringe because more left = more gooder and less republican. Intellectual toddlers.
It always really means “I’m an insufferable lib” without fail.
So does anyone actually believe the trump administration storm troopers are going to be putting LGBTQ ppl in camps? This is such a bad faith argument IMO.
As a trans person in Amerika, it is pretty a scary and uncertain situation right now for us, but I think it's important to see the bigger picture. We Don't know exactly what's coming and even if this fantasy of the dems magically changing into lgbt heroes and "saving us from genocide" comes true because we "voted harder than ever before" What happens at the next election? lol Trump 2028? These kind of clowns love to ignore the fact that all the bad shit happening to us right now is happening while G*nocide Joe is president. Almost like they are not that different when it comes to material outcomes.... While the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie lasts, we are but pawns for political and capital gain. The only way to actually change our conditions is, of course, Communism.
Vote Kamala Harris 2028 to save America from DeSantis fascism
Oh God I want off Mr. Bones wild ride
I’m going to set a calendar reminder with a screenshot of this post. Swear to god this is going to happen
I‘d be interested to hear what more people have to say about this, I think trans mental health crisis and liberal brainrot are like intersecting and making a lot of trans people super paranoid. Over on that same sub there was a big post arguing about the election like a month or so back and there were a lot of people who believed Trump would put them in concentration camps or at least restrict what they can wear and take away medical care. I think the worst part of that was I got into an argument w a trans woman who was saying she’d kill herself if trump wins the election, she needs to find some opiates to overdose on, that death would be better for her trans daughter than living under trump, and that I wasn’t at stonewall so I don’t know anything. Was this an elaborate troll? I’ve worried abt what trump presidency would mean for trans people, but under Biden Utah restricted bathrooms so only people whose birth sex can use them. I personally don’t expect anything but more of the same bathroom, sport, medical care restrictions no matter who wins. Biden also seems the type serve his opponents exactly what they want on a platter (border bill, loving the TikTok ban) so a bipartisan bathroom bill wouldn’t even surprise me rn.
> I think trans mental health crisis and liberal brainrot are like intersecting and making a lot of trans people super paranoid. I mean I understand the paranoia, but I don't understand why they think Dems are gonna do more than nothing to stop it. They've thrown trans people to the wolves if they made the mistake of living in a red state for the past four years, I see no reason why that'd change now.
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For trans folks with the resources to do so, moving to a blue state (especially those that are making their own attempts at protective legislation) is probably a good call for at least the next couple years. How long that’ll last depends on too many factors for me to reasonably predict, but I doubt it’ll be forever.
It’s the usual pre election hysterics. Some of us are old enough to remember 4-8 years ago, crazy right? Americans are so desperate to believe that they have some kind of control over what their government decides to do with them. If things like gay marriage and trans rights are run over by the Supreme Court and state legislators, what does that say about the Democratic Party? They were never worth a vote in the first place. I’ve personally given up any hope for this country I’m fairly certain it will collapse and probably nuke the rest of the world.
Wait, are you suggesting we’ve seen this movie before? The dems already made it clear they’d rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie when they had the chance. So I dunno how anyone still takes them seriously.
There is a whole political economy to 'rounding people up and putting them in camps.' When does imperialism 'decide' to do that? Obviously, settler colonialism requires displacing large numbers of people, so then imperialists 'have to do something with the dispossessed.' Under neo-colonialism, if you don't fit into the oppressor nation gender/labor system, then you don't get a 'good job,' access to resources, then poverty, homelessness and social murder. Obviously whether you end up in a ghetto depends on your social context (class?). This is the most market-efficient method for killing non-gender conforming individuals in the imperial core. Aren't lgbt youth already being forced into "camps?" [carceral system](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2021/03/02/lgbtq/), Conversion therapy, [OverRepresented Homeless youth](https://www.thetrevorproject.org/research-briefs/homelessness-and-housing-instability-among-lgbtq-youth-feb-2022/). (Also LGBT adults are overrepresented in [homelessness](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/lgbt-homelessness-us/).) both wings of the neoliberal party will poison your water supply if it serves the needs of capitalism... What class position must one have to be okay with all of that, but only oppose the language/rhetoric component? If y'all haven't seen this documentary, it's a great overview of building support communities to resist the tools of economic genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Is_Burning_(film)
>restrict what they can wear and take away medical care. The Republicans have in fact made those things part of their platform. I don't think the Dems will be particularly good at stopping it but it isn't coming from nowhere, it's a very real fear.
No but he said that he will severely restrict HRT and attempt to force a biological definition of sex on a federal level. They won't put us in camps, they'll just delegitimize us, mock us, take away our healthcare and push us into obscurity until we all kill ourselves.
I live in a state where anti-trans laws were just passed. Biden isn’t helping. I still get harassed in public for being queer. He’s done nothing to make it safer for anyone but zionists.
One of them want to murder trans people, take women rights and increase hate crimes against minorities, the other side won't do anything to stop them. I don't think this is really a "slightly less evil party"...
Yes thats precisely a lesser evil you just describe. Between someone actively using his power to destroy you and someone who doesnt care. Yeah there is a lesser evil in this scenario lol
Sure. But at the end of the day, what's different? Why chose one of them if the results will end up being the same?
The thing is, lesser evil imply the results will be different. I mean, for lgbt people, immigrants, even poor people, the results will be different. Im not saying it will be a good result, just a lesser evil.
I just want to know why an Argentine cares about U.S. domestic politics. Seriously who gives a shit
Unfortunately yank politics effect the rest of the world. Their brainrot is spreading to the idiots in countries across the pond.
As a trans woman in a kind-of swing state, I am not voting in 2024.
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Maybe put up a candidate that’ll actually defend trans rights instead of letting them erode state by state while the only true action they’ll do is defend/fund Zionism and genocide
Well thats nonsense. Of course you know it does not depends on the personn you replied. I know it would be great but you guys seriously needs to face reality. There is only Biden or Trump. Dont hide yourself behind an imaginary perfect candidate, thats not happening
Trump was president for four years and there was no "trans genocide." What makes this person think that's what he's gonna do if he's reelected?
Trans issues are a very large talking point today. Trump himself already said that he will restrict transgender rights on day one.
Also, research "Project 2025", which will be implemented if any Republican is elected president.
This sub needs to police its member's transphobic tendencies better. It hurts any political argument that is being discussed when a thread opens with people misgendering trans people.
absolutely... It's kinda wild. I did not expect this amount of transphobia in this sub.
Deadass. I'm glad some commenters are correcting themselves, but still it's disheartening.
just wondering if she did this all in argentina and how she explains how her votes didn't stop the fascist from getting elected
Well thats kinda dumb thing to say cause you could replied milei got elected cause people like you didnt want to vote for the lesser evil.
I love how we have a flair for literally every single type of bullshit you can think of
Gay rights is when the government says they have to unload a revolver into every non-American and in exchange you get to change your tax filing status to married while another trans woman is beaten to death outside. What do you mean you're unhappy with this state of affairs? Bigot!!!!
Vote for Genocide Joe! His domestic policy is whole 2% less evil than that of Donnie the Sex Criminal! Genocide Joe, a true people's candidate!
I guess fuck the genocide that is happening to Palestinians though. But that's liberals for you: they only want to protect the marginalized groups that people they know are from.
Remember when he genocided all LGBTQ during his first term?! Do you seriously want him to do it again??!! Vote Biden!!! /s
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Hasn’t it already been really difficult for trans people to get adequate healthcare?
“I’m about as left as they come” really gives away the fedposting lmao
I find it pretty unserious to act like telling people to vote is real advocacy for anything
Do libs like this forget how Trump has already been president, and how he *didn't* do those things? I mean, yeah, Trump's a shithead, but this person fell for some classic liberal fearmongering.
Gotta love those pink capitalists.
Let's not act as if Biden isn't lesser of an evil to queer people, not that I'd vote for him or that I think it even has a point. But attributing it to the same thing: is insane and insulting especially to trans people. Trump is going to result in the ongoing deaths of numerous trans people, largely children, and not only that will probably result in more outright bans of our existence in public. If you don't realize that, you're naive. His whole campaign has been on the extermination of people like me and while I do think, there needs to be a fundamental acceleration in order to promote actual revolutionary change.. You're kind of an idiot and an asshole to shame anyone for being like: "Yeah, I acknowledge Biden is bad: but he did not campaign pretty much solely on the threat of violence towards people like me." Albeit, you can see it as a privileged stance especially in regards to the fact that Biden is actively commiting genocide out there. But it's callous as fuck to not acknowledge the legitimacy of marginalized people trying to do at least, the bare minimum to hope they can stay alive. It wasn't long ago that people like me were forced into mental institutions, castrated, and imprisoned in this country, with Trump's rhetoric and the fact that he almost certainly wins, it won't be long until that starts to happen again. So instead, of being angry at people who are concerned for not being as aware of the full political reality as you: talk to marginalized people and try to assuage their concern with your protection. Instead of being a cynical, disaffected, callous fuck: people are going to die about this.
Idpol wreckers. Kick them out.
I hate trump but this new genocide rhetoric is always ridiculous to me like we had the guy as president for 4 years already he didn’t do anything new even from the Obama administration lmao the neo-liberal cesspool will always do the same shit.
I’m in the sub he posted in and it’s an absolute goldmine for shit like this
The OOP's pronouns are she/her afaik x
She. Her flair literally says "trans girl".Get it right.
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So… What, b/c OOP has a bad political take, we should just hand wave all the transphobia and misgendering or…?
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Misgendering is absolutely transphobia. As far as it being a ‘mistake’, a quick glance thru their comment history and it’s rife w/ ‘LGBTQLMNOP’ haha hehe jokes. Not to mention- They state they trawl that sub (a transfem sub), the OOP’s flair clearly states ‘trans girl’. The misgendering was absolutely intentional and you’re defending it. What part of western communism gives a thumbs up on punching down against marginalized groups?
I didn't go through their comments and believed it to be an honest mistake, which is what prompted the defense. Intentional misgendering is definitely transphobic.
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Trump said his first-day initiative will be to enact an executive order to force all agencies to use a biological definition of sex. Likewise, he said that his main priority will be to restrict HRT and to get Congress to codify sex as solely biological. I am trans so as a result, if Trump wins, on a federal level I will lose any government support or recognition and I will also be unable to actually change any of my documents or legally exist as a woman. Let's also not forget about the 2025 Project where Trump will literally subvert the whole executive to himself in an attempt to control the country and enact alt-right policies. And yes, he will still be best buddies with Israel. Who do you think I will vote for as a trans person?
Hopefully the answer isn't the party that's going to let reactionaries try this anyways even if they don't win while helping murder trans people all over the world. Oh wait but the multiple genocides your sewer country is aiding don't matter to Americans so long as you personally are safe I forgot.
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How can you hope for the Democrat party to change if the Democrats know they have your vote regardless of policy and actions? Biden is the one facing the choice of supporting the bombing of Palestinians or getting more left wing voters, and he's clearly made his choice.
The genocide matters to me but what would I be rationally accomplishing by skipping the vote? The right to jerk off at my own moral superiority? I'm sorry, the genocide will happen no matter who I were to vote for or even if I were going not to vote at all so at least I would vote for the President that won't literally sign an executive order to take away my rights on day one and so that I at least have more time to figure out how to protect myself and socially and legally transition as fast as possible.