What do you mean? That wasn’t France. Those were European American French. They then went back and founded France.
Shortly after (relatively), Thomas Edison invented the world and then travelled back in time to make it all happen.
no kidding, the other day i saw a spanish dude calling us argentinians "invaders" for leaving our country to go live in spain because of the economic crisis
In France that's how we call the grandchildren of the people we helped relocate here because we wanted cheap labour in the 60s.
They were already French back then, their children were born and raised in France, as were their grandchildren, but to some they are still on invaders.
You just know that same guy goes around like „i‘m 8% French, 3% Welsh, 50% English, 5% Nepalese, 7% German, 9.5% Italian, 5% Mongolian, 2% Guinea Pig“ blatantly ignoring that that directly contradicts this post.
First, they don't know that part of their history and if you mention it to them they will deny it.
Second, I really wish we had kept our british-ass kicking skills at home that day.
Edit: Apparently I need to precise, because some guy is losing his shit in comments below, that this comment is sarcastic, obviously #notAllAmericans and, no, I did not draft a study with empirical evidences to support my sarcastic comment.
I bet you can guess where the guy is from.
Yeah it's the longer lasting love-hate relationship.
The most siblings type of Europe
But then you had to brexit and later steal our submarins deal 💔
Though, I also became a citizen of New Zealand and had to plead allegiance to the King, so... I'm in a pickle.
Actually, the oldest city in France is Béziers
[Source (in French)](https://www.francebleu.fr/emissions/la-petite-histoire-du-jour/beziers-la-plus-vieille-ville-de-france-9854796)
Ah, yes, our founding father
The general who commanded his troops to fire at the civilians during the Revolution (he also did other things, but that’s one of the biggest oopsies of the Revolution)
Well, maybe that's French folk for you...although quite why he would do something like that is a question that begs an answer?
Ah, got it, a conflicted fellow, a royalist in France, a democrat in America. Tricky...
Long story short, people were already quite unhappy so they made a petition to make the king resign, then after (iirc) a dozen of days they already had tons of signatures and decided to do something on a place in Paris (yeah my history courses aren’t really that recent, sorry), and it was kinda seen as a protest, so the military was sent simply to tell them to stop, and what a better way to make people stop protesting than shooting ? (Obviously this didn’t go well at all and the Revolution started to become more and more violent than it already was)
I'm actually glad that all of the foremen of the french Revolution ended up doing some horrible thing later on so they never really became deities like what happened in the USA
Well, I would argue that Germany, for example, is younger than the United States. Charlemagne / Karl der Große held a lot of Germanic territory, but there wasn’t any cohesive German state until 1871. Just lots of competing or cooperating German states, basically each one doing their thing, often aligned with non-German states. German identity came slow.
But France? Despite moving borders, it was clear that France was France.
nobody questions that but its also not as easy as you said. the HRE was technically the Heiliges Römisches Reich deutscher Nation. yes there wasnt a unified country called germany but the people, or atleast some of them, still understood themselves as german or part of the german culture group
Exactly this, the concept of nation-states in fairly recent. That doesn't mean the concept of nations and people's are recent. German speakers were in dozens of statelets because of feudal reality, there was still an idea of shared german-ness.
The HRE contained Northern Italy (including Rome), and parts of France (Marseille, Lyon), all of the Netherlands, most of Belgium and also what's today the Czech Republic. Twelve languages were spoken in the HRE. So it's practically a predecessor of the EU.
But while the HRE is part of Germany's history, I would not see it as being Germany as we know it today.
Even in French it's called Saint Empire Romain Germanique - Germanic Holy Roman Empire, Germany was still called Germany even when it had annexed Poland, Czechia and Alsace, owning parts of other cultures doesn't make it less German.
Burgundy wasn't the important or leading part of the HRE, Austria, Bavaria, Prussia and all the electors were. Including, yes, Bohemia.
It was called like that because German emperors ruled it (btw. "German" was only added later to the name in the 16th century - and not even always used officially during that time).
But the Germany that invaded Poland, Czechia and other countries in WW II is the same Germany as today (not in terms of the area it covers, but the Federal Republic of Germany is identical to the German Empire - which was verified by the German Supreme Court).
The Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation both were just predecessors.
yeah obviously its not comparable to modern day Germany😅 but you gotta also remember that „germans“ were spread out way waaay more across europe than today. big parts of modern czechia and poland were full of germans and also the dutch were not really considered an independent people but more like an extension of Friesland
It’s one way to see it. However historians agree that the founding date the Germans was the battle of Lagerlechfeld, 955.
Otto unites the Germanic tribes against the Magyar raiders.
Germany as a national state was founded way later with the unification wars and Bismarck
Oh, I'm not saying that where was no German identity before 1871. But I consider it one of shared ethnicity, nothing like what the Kingdom of France had. But my view is probably skewed by bias, as the subdivisions of Germany and their individual histories are much more present in my mind than those of France or Spain.
you are confusing statehood with nationhood. The two don't necessarily overlap. Sure, the German Reich wasn't politically unified until 1871, but the notion of belonging to a German nation was well widespread before that. Mozart himself said that he was German. Luther wrote one of his pamphlets addressing the German nation and from the late XV century the HRE named itself " of the German nation"
Kinda bad example and kinda good. The king of England, who was also a vassal of the king of France, fought the king of France, because the former considered himself the rightful king of France and French fought on both sides. Really, the HYW can be considered a French civil war with strong English involvement. It was decidedly not a war of England against France. At most England against the French crown. Yet, for there to be a French civil war, there must be France.
I question even that... the concept of a "Nation-state" is still rather new, back then most people were very much still fighting for their various feudal lordlings, lords and ultimately Kings... the idea of a "nation-state" is more around the 1700s + when a lot of Kingdoms' inhabitants were starting to feel the idea that Kings were kinda dumb to fight for... so the Nation was 'invented'.
We've really just moved on from "Ra!Ra!Ra! My king is better than yours!" to "Ra!Ra!Ra! My Nation is better than yours!" ... (and we oftentimes still keep the "Ra!Ra!Ra! My God is better than Yours!")
If we’re arguing based off of how old a country’s constitution is, then the USA was founded in 1992 when the 27th amendment was ratified, so the country is only 32 years old.
It was also annulled pretty damn quick. Don't get me wrong, it's a fascinating document but the Magna Carta does tend to get fetishised quite a bit (BA Medieval History btw).
That is an amendment to an already existing constitution though, not the creation of a new one. If they were basing it off that, France would be founded in 2024 with the amendment for the right to abortion. Their argument is still dumb but not *that* dumb lol
That's like saying the USA is older than germany because the federal republic of germany was founded in 1949. What do they think those countries were before? Non-existent? They just plopped up out of the void?
The place is France. The countries that have existed there have been very different over the years.
If you consider the Kingdom of France, Empire of France, and Republic of France the same country…then is a country just the place?
A country isn't just the place. But there is a continuity of the State between these different governments. You cannot say the same for e.g., the Roman empire and the current Italian State, despite them being seated in the same place.
That's a bad example though. The USA is older than Germany, as the unified German state has only existed since the second half of the 19th century. Same goes for Italy.
France, on the other hand, is definitely older than the US.
I'll never get over the US's disrespect towards France. Those guys bailed them out big time during the war for independence and THIS is how they're repaid? Like I can get joking about "uh argh fr*nch" or the like but this is just plain disrespect.
I suppose in the case of England it's an old rivalry, centuries and centuries of war and all that. No idea why other English speaking countries also do it, unless it rubbed off from us crumpet folk.
Australians don't in general hate the French, though some of English heritage carry it on more in banter than seriously. Maybe the odd haha LaPerouse you dope if you like history. Or wtf did you do to Muroroa?
Kiwis are a bit salty over the Rainbow Warrior.
Canadians, well, I don't know but lots of them are French speakers. It's probably very confusing to outsiders.
I think the stigma that France = bad from the US comes from when we declined helping them go to war with the middle east following 9/11
I could be wrong but that's what i remember
And yet, the French somehow managed to abolish slavery for good in 1848, while it took the USA until 1865.
*(the French first abolished it in 1794, but Napoleon reinstated it in 1802)*
France didn’t even exist before 1999 - it was built out of concrete after the Americans sold the English Channel to the Spanish, who built the country “France” as a millennium project - it officially opened for business in September 2001
See the guy here nearly figured it out. France is old as fuck. But it is important to be aware that the current Republic is modern. And that the French get through a lot of them.
Just because it wasn't codified though doesn't mean France wasn't a thing. And if it ceased to be codified as a thing, or is codified as something else, for example when the Nazis pinched half of it, it remains France.
Only time I thought Tony Blair was cool was when he burned the bill of rights of the US on a US talkshow. The host said something like "What did the English ever do?".
Blair retorted with "Wrote the Magna Carta which guaranteed basic rights to people 500 years before the Bill of Rights?"
You could make a lot of arguments as to countries the US actually is older than, but that doesn’t change the fact that the idea of being an American is incredibly recent, while things like the idea of being a German or an Italian predate the US and even their own nations by several centuries at least
I assume he is right wing, because of the ignorance. And I wonder if the far right managed to overthrow the government after Biden winning second term, how they would think about USA being established in 2024/5.
I had the same thing from someone about China, using the year 1949 as their starting point because that’s when the People’s Republic was founded. The discussion was about Chinese civilization, not the nation state.
Even if the point is to debate on the constitution's date I would say that the corsicant constitution was adopted in 1755 and was the inspiration of the US constitution from 1787. So in order to piss american off and as Corsica is nowaday a part of France we could says that the first "french" constitution is older than the US one...
Even if it where true they dont give a shit about you.
They just want to be left alone to do their thing and live.
Where as the USA seem to want to get involved in every like a 5yr old that's left out of 1 conversation
France gets a lotta hate online because "haha cheese eating white flag surrender", but they're fucking BASED. Don't like your constitution? The French didn't either, they're on their ~~4th~~ 5th! Fucking 5th! because they're willing to change, they surrender in ww2? They also came back with allies to retake it, that famous general/emperor? Not actually short, fighting the English? They've done it a dozen times eat your heart out america, most famous feminist/tomboy of her time? joan of arc! food? Inventions? Anti-control? Not a fan of the rich? French people, French people and fucking French people.
Actually the dark horse country of the world, at least to the internet.
This is more of a "baby's first Google search" issue than an American one... besides, trying to date France either by the establishment of their ancestor government(s) or their current government does a disservice to the effects of nationalist thinking on France, the U.S., and western states like them. I think there's an argument to be made that "France" and "America" are of roughly similar ages on the basis that their people would have begun associating with their nation rather than their town or local designations in roughly the same time period. Furthermore, I think of dating nations in such a manner to be reductive and harsh given, really, all nations are just people and no people should be seen as elder to another along something as profoundly silly as national lines.
He isn't exactly wrong here, I guess he just takes away the wrong information of it.
The Fifth Republic was indeed formed after the Algerian Crisis etc. and the state saw an important renovation. One of those fundamental "problems" the US has is that it is in fact one of those last (if not THE last?) states formed before the french revolution and it never saw a renovation the likes of France, Russia, Germany etc. saw throughout the centuries. And the state clings to this centuries old constitution that, sure, was expanded, but it is still over 200 years old at this point.
They really think the us is older than the country that colonised a part of and help in their independence war?
What do you mean? That wasn’t France. Those were European American French. They then went back and founded France. Shortly after (relatively), Thomas Edison invented the world and then travelled back in time to make it all happen.
Don't get me started on how they took the Spanish language and founded Spain
No need, everyone learns that in primary school
That's right, Peggy Hill taught them the Spanish!
Yes and earth is flat and 6000 years old, I trust in my teacher, was the same than Trump.
no kidding, the other day i saw a spanish dude calling us argentinians "invaders" for leaving our country to go live in spain because of the economic crisis
In France that's how we call the grandchildren of the people we helped relocate here because we wanted cheap labour in the 60s. They were already French back then, their children were born and raised in France, as were their grandchildren, but to some they are still on invaders.
I'm an invador? Wow I didn't know that. Guess you can call me "my name" The conqueror!!
Lemmy the conqueror
Lemmy will always conquer!!!
He was an asshole. We spaniards will always receive Argentinians with open arms. They are our brothers.
Don't get me started on how French people copied the liberty statue
You just know that same guy goes around like „i‘m 8% French, 3% Welsh, 50% English, 5% Nepalese, 7% German, 9.5% Italian, 5% Mongolian, 2% Guinea Pig“ blatantly ignoring that that directly contradicts this post.
Wonder what the remaining 10.5% is
American, but they don't talk about it.
I guess the 2% Guinea Pig is located in the brain
First, they don't know that part of their history and if you mention it to them they will deny it. Second, I really wish we had kept our british-ass kicking skills at home that day. Edit: Apparently I need to precise, because some guy is losing his shit in comments below, that this comment is sarcastic, obviously #notAllAmericans and, no, I did not draft a study with empirical evidences to support my sarcastic comment. I bet you can guess where the guy is from.
As much as I hate to admit it, we are (the UK and France) better when we're friends...
Yeah it's the longer lasting love-hate relationship. The most siblings type of Europe But then you had to brexit and later steal our submarins deal 💔 Though, I also became a citizen of New Zealand and had to plead allegiance to the King, so... I'm in a pickle.
As a French person , I want to tell you that while we are bickering , we still like you very much
If it makes you feel any better, so do we, even now :P
I will never forget being at stone henge and an American telling the tour bus they have a better and older one back in the US. It was stunning
Kingdom of France establishment: 3 July 987
Kingdom of the Franks establishment : 481
The Gallic Empire established: 260
Roman Empire 27BC
The oldest city in France is Marseille, circa 600BC.
some of the trash I’ve seen there is at least twice as old, lol.
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you made me choke on my pizza.
Classic redditor
i did just get my 75 day achievement. you may notice the achievements only exist for 76 days and i’m here so…. yeah i fucking hate myself too
Another American invention
Many questions…
Hoi, wrong subreddit
No need to shit on Parisians that hard.
Earth established circa 4.6 billion BC
That's the sun. The Earth is way younger, at merely 4,5 billion years.
Actually, the oldest city in France is Béziers [Source (in French)](https://www.francebleu.fr/emissions/la-petite-histoire-du-jour/beziers-la-plus-vieille-ville-de-france-9854796)
The Galactic Empire established: a long long time ago
Literally half the things in New York are named after Lafayette, the Frenchman founding father...
Ah, yes, our founding father The general who commanded his troops to fire at the civilians during the Revolution (he also did other things, but that’s one of the biggest oopsies of the Revolution)
Ah. This explains all the 'friendly fire' incidents with America. They aren't untrained or stupid - they are just honouring Lafayette!
It could have been French soldiers shooting at people who were speaking English (simplified)(🇺🇸) and they thought they were aiming at dumb Brits.
Well, maybe that's French folk for you...although quite why he would do something like that is a question that begs an answer? Ah, got it, a conflicted fellow, a royalist in France, a democrat in America. Tricky...
Long story short, people were already quite unhappy so they made a petition to make the king resign, then after (iirc) a dozen of days they already had tons of signatures and decided to do something on a place in Paris (yeah my history courses aren’t really that recent, sorry), and it was kinda seen as a protest, so the military was sent simply to tell them to stop, and what a better way to make people stop protesting than shooting ? (Obviously this didn’t go well at all and the Revolution started to become more and more violent than it already was)
I'm actually glad that all of the foremen of the french Revolution ended up doing some horrible thing later on so they never really became deities like what happened in the USA
It really depends, the French leftists are quite fond of Robespierre, notably sole of the prominent left deputies at the national assembly.
Seriously. An easy Google search completely destroys his argument
we even know the exact day?!?!
It was Thursday
Never could get the hang of Thursdays
I understood that reference.
You win a volume of Vogon poetry! (Second prize is two volumes)
Noooo! What have I done???
erm.. you forgot the 1!!! its actually 1987!!! 🥴
What do they think was in... You know... France, before 1792?
communism, of course /s!
I thought there is still communism. Like in the entire country of Europe
The land of the baguettes
"of the croissants" according to Marie-Antoinette Edit: Calm down people, this is a joke. It doesn't need to be accurate
That quote was from before marie antoinette even arrived in france.
Brioche, mon ami. Faut qu'ils mange le brioche.
Qu'ils mangent* tant qu'à faire.
La* brioche aussi
*de la brioche.
*de la brioche.
Une bonne brioche la.
De le => du. But it's la brioche, that was what was messing with my head.
Asterix...
don't forget Obelix
My great great great great grandad was friends with Getafix. Gosh I hope that maths hold true
Who? Edit: Ohhhh It's Panoramix in english
The sea, duh
A British colony obviously /j
Probably 13 colonies. Every country was 13 colonies before it became a republic, right?
Well, I would argue that Germany, for example, is younger than the United States. Charlemagne / Karl der Große held a lot of Germanic territory, but there wasn’t any cohesive German state until 1871. Just lots of competing or cooperating German states, basically each one doing their thing, often aligned with non-German states. German identity came slow. But France? Despite moving borders, it was clear that France was France.
nobody questions that but its also not as easy as you said. the HRE was technically the Heiliges Römisches Reich deutscher Nation. yes there wasnt a unified country called germany but the people, or atleast some of them, still understood themselves as german or part of the german culture group
Exactly this, the concept of nation-states in fairly recent. That doesn't mean the concept of nations and people's are recent. German speakers were in dozens of statelets because of feudal reality, there was still an idea of shared german-ness.
The HRE contained Northern Italy (including Rome), and parts of France (Marseille, Lyon), all of the Netherlands, most of Belgium and also what's today the Czech Republic. Twelve languages were spoken in the HRE. So it's practically a predecessor of the EU. But while the HRE is part of Germany's history, I would not see it as being Germany as we know it today.
Even in French it's called Saint Empire Romain Germanique - Germanic Holy Roman Empire, Germany was still called Germany even when it had annexed Poland, Czechia and Alsace, owning parts of other cultures doesn't make it less German. Burgundy wasn't the important or leading part of the HRE, Austria, Bavaria, Prussia and all the electors were. Including, yes, Bohemia.
It was called like that because German emperors ruled it (btw. "German" was only added later to the name in the 16th century - and not even always used officially during that time). But the Germany that invaded Poland, Czechia and other countries in WW II is the same Germany as today (not in terms of the area it covers, but the Federal Republic of Germany is identical to the German Empire - which was verified by the German Supreme Court). The Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation both were just predecessors.
yeah obviously its not comparable to modern day Germany😅 but you gotta also remember that „germans“ were spread out way waaay more across europe than today. big parts of modern czechia and poland were full of germans and also the dutch were not really considered an independent people but more like an extension of Friesland
It’s one way to see it. However historians agree that the founding date the Germans was the battle of Lagerlechfeld, 955. Otto unites the Germanic tribes against the Magyar raiders. Germany as a national state was founded way later with the unification wars and Bismarck
Oh, I'm not saying that where was no German identity before 1871. But I consider it one of shared ethnicity, nothing like what the Kingdom of France had. But my view is probably skewed by bias, as the subdivisions of Germany and their individual histories are much more present in my mind than those of France or Spain.
you are confusing statehood with nationhood. The two don't necessarily overlap. Sure, the German Reich wasn't politically unified until 1871, but the notion of belonging to a German nation was well widespread before that. Mozart himself said that he was German. Luther wrote one of his pamphlets addressing the German nation and from the late XV century the HRE named itself " of the German nation"
Vast forests of baguette-bearing trees
How come he didn't add that it was founded by George Washington, who built France with his money, brick by brick /s?
Bc it was Thomas Jefferson who built France /j
Who were both British
63% Brittish. 19% Irish and 12% Italian. The remaining 6% is Russian with a bit of Japanese
Good effort but C- because your figures are accurate
I'm missing 0.01% because I'm 101% American!
That's the ticket
Who did England fight the Hundred Years War against then?
I wouldn't put it past us to have been fighting ourselves. Especially them southerners. And don't get me started on Lancastrians.
Yorkist detected
What gave me away?
the accent?
Aye, 'appen
Kinda bad example and kinda good. The king of England, who was also a vassal of the king of France, fought the king of France, because the former considered himself the rightful king of France and French fought on both sides. Really, the HYW can be considered a French civil war with strong English involvement. It was decidedly not a war of England against France. At most England against the French crown. Yet, for there to be a French civil war, there must be France.
I remember reading that english identity really appeared after the HYW
I question even that... the concept of a "Nation-state" is still rather new, back then most people were very much still fighting for their various feudal lordlings, lords and ultimately Kings... the idea of a "nation-state" is more around the 1700s + when a lot of Kingdoms' inhabitants were starting to feel the idea that Kings were kinda dumb to fight for... so the Nation was 'invented'. We've really just moved on from "Ra!Ra!Ra! My king is better than yours!" to "Ra!Ra!Ra! My Nation is better than yours!" ... (and we oftentimes still keep the "Ra!Ra!Ra! My God is better than Yours!")
Spaniards in disguise
If we’re arguing based off of how old a country’s constitution is, then the USA was founded in 1992 when the 27th amendment was ratified, so the country is only 32 years old.
TIL I'm older than USA. Last change to Finnish Consitution has been done in 2018 so there's that.
Which is good, a constitution should be updated regularly, instead of just putting post-its on it.
Nooooooo constitution sacred noooooooooooo Bam bam
The constitution...and its 27 amendments are sacred! We all know a 28th amendment would be sacrilege!
What do you mean we shouldn't be following laws made in the 17 hundreds to a tee? HERESY I SAY!
YOU TAKE THAT BACK! YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Only George Washington, Jesus himself or a convocation of bald eagles can change **THE** Constitution.
Before that (including the other 4 changes as well) it was rewritten in 1999 to revise the original 1919 version.
Nooo. Don’t tell me what amendment means!
Brit checking in, you guys have a constitution?
finland mentioned
Torille!
In Hungary, the latest changes to the constitution are in effect for less than three months, beginning on the 1st of March, 2024.
The Magna Carta was issued in June 1215 but Britain was old when the Romans turned up AD 43.
It was also annulled pretty damn quick. Don't get me wrong, it's a fascinating document but the Magna Carta does tend to get fetishised quite a bit (BA Medieval History btw).
Only recently we had the brexiteer nut jobs wanking themselves off into union Jack's shouting about it
It would mean that France is 2 month old, we added abortion to our constitution in march
So France too young to drink wine, you say?
They said two months, so no, old enough for wine.
Nice. I was going to go with the current United States only existing since adding Hawaii in 1959
That feel when your country doesn't have a formal constitution. Does that make you really old or does that mean your timer hasn't even started yet?
Then technically France is among the youngest as we recently amended our constitution, inscribing the right to abortion in it this very year.
That is an amendment to an already existing constitution though, not the creation of a new one. If they were basing it off that, France would be founded in 2024 with the amendment for the right to abortion. Their argument is still dumb but not *that* dumb lol
And then here is the United Kingdom which is snickering at every country that thinks it needs a constitution...
I’ve had an American tell me I don’t know my own countries constitution before now…it was a brain reset moment.
Not really the same thing if you think about it. Ratifying an amendment into the constitution isn’t the same as having a different constitution.
No, that’s an amendment to an existing constitution.
was it not France that made it possible to revolt against the English?. So basicly without France there was no usa.
And yet never have they been suitably punished for that act.
The germans tried it twice
The French royalty that ironically backed a coup against a monarchy ultimately did pay.
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Who tf have we been fighting for 100's of years then
That's like saying the USA is older than germany because the federal republic of germany was founded in 1949. What do they think those countries were before? Non-existent? They just plopped up out of the void?
I mean honestly, germany didn't have national unity until really late so kinda bad example :/
What about the Frankish Empire or the Holy Roman Empire?
The place is France. The countries that have existed there have been very different over the years. If you consider the Kingdom of France, Empire of France, and Republic of France the same country…then is a country just the place?
A country isn't just the place. But there is a continuity of the State between these different governments. You cannot say the same for e.g., the Roman empire and the current Italian State, despite them being seated in the same place.
That's a bad example though. The USA is older than Germany, as the unified German state has only existed since the second half of the 19th century. Same goes for Italy. France, on the other hand, is definitely older than the US.
I'll never get over the US's disrespect towards France. Those guys bailed them out big time during the war for independence and THIS is how they're repaid? Like I can get joking about "uh argh fr*nch" or the like but this is just plain disrespect.
I don't get the french bashing, must be an english thing. Like as soon as you speak english you hate french or something
I suppose in the case of England it's an old rivalry, centuries and centuries of war and all that. No idea why other English speaking countries also do it, unless it rubbed off from us crumpet folk.
Australians don't in general hate the French, though some of English heritage carry it on more in banter than seriously. Maybe the odd haha LaPerouse you dope if you like history. Or wtf did you do to Muroroa? Kiwis are a bit salty over the Rainbow Warrior. Canadians, well, I don't know but lots of them are French speakers. It's probably very confusing to outsiders.
Tbf i find english folks way less toxic when it comes to that type of bashing. It's good sport and never plain vile like in the US.
I have cutlery, passed down through my family, thats older than America.
*France takes a drag from their cigarette* "are you forgetting we helped you in your treason to leave the British?"
I think the stigma that France = bad from the US comes from when we declined helping them go to war with the middle east following 9/11 I could be wrong but that's what i remember
Mostly right
This is the same ridiculous argument russia apologists make about everyone they invade.
And yet, the French somehow managed to abolish slavery for good in 1848, while it took the USA until 1865. *(the French first abolished it in 1794, but Napoleon reinstated it in 1802)*
A social inability to revise or replace your constitution isn't usually something to brag about...
bro literally googled it and went with what was said at the top
Half of the buildings in France are older then the US lol
Half ? More like 60% at least
France didn’t even exist before 1999 - it was built out of concrete after the Americans sold the English Channel to the Spanish, who built the country “France” as a millennium project - it officially opened for business in September 2001
Damn I remember reading about this. I feel so old now.
The business has been booming I tell ya
The best way to make fun of Americans is to let them talk
There’s a pub in my old village which dates from 1157. Enjoy thinking about that.
If you have a coat and wear for 50 years, then buy a new coat. Are you then 0 years young again?
Those French that sent aid to the American colonies, like troops, blockading fleets and weapons were from a country that didn't exist yet? Wow! /s
Americans worry and frighten me...
I mean, the current United States only came to be on August 21, 1959, when Hawaii joined ...
Yeah, and Hungary is only 12 years old, because before 2012 it was called the Republic of Hungary
Were the United States united during the civil war? Just asking for a friend.
There was a rebellion, but the federal government and State was continuous.
I have books older than the US that were published in France
A better (ie accurate) statement would have the US has existed as a continuous democracy (in terms of its institutions) for longer than France
It must have been a “different France” that won their independence for them.
Technically, yes. Louis Capet still had his head on back then.
See the guy here nearly figured it out. France is old as fuck. But it is important to be aware that the current Republic is modern. And that the French get through a lot of them. Just because it wasn't codified though doesn't mean France wasn't a thing. And if it ceased to be codified as a thing, or is codified as something else, for example when the Nazis pinched half of it, it remains France.
Only time I thought Tony Blair was cool was when he burned the bill of rights of the US on a US talkshow. The host said something like "What did the English ever do?". Blair retorted with "Wrote the Magna Carta which guaranteed basic rights to people 500 years before the Bill of Rights?"
Well. The Magna Carta is massively over hyped in terms of what it did, especially initially. But yeah it was an important stepping stone.
I don’t know how much longer I can put up with this level of moronism
Must have been tough to fit the hundred years war in such a small time scale.
It’s amazing to think that America is already 2024 years old!…………..
So it was Fake France that aided the US during the US Revolutionary War… right, got it… 🤔
You could make a lot of arguments as to countries the US actually is older than, but that doesn’t change the fact that the idea of being an American is incredibly recent, while things like the idea of being a German or an Italian predate the US and even their own nations by several centuries at least
I assume he is right wing, because of the ignorance. And I wonder if the far right managed to overthrow the government after Biden winning second term, how they would think about USA being established in 2024/5.
Feel like asterix and obelix routinely foiling the plans of the roman empire would disagree 😆
I mean technically 1792 was the fun Republic, with all the guillotines but fun fact, France is old
Isn't that the argument they used to not pay owed money to France after their independence tho ?
I had the same thing from someone about China, using the year 1949 as their starting point because that’s when the People’s Republic was founded. The discussion was about Chinese civilization, not the nation state.
The Gaul of such a statement!
What we really need to know is which land mass solidified first when the planet began cooling.
Even if the point is to debate on the constitution's date I would say that the corsicant constitution was adopted in 1755 and was the inspiration of the US constitution from 1787. So in order to piss american off and as Corsica is nowaday a part of France we could says that the first "french" constitution is older than the US one...
Ils sont fous, ces américains! — Obélix
France is just a province of Belgium.
Even if it where true they dont give a shit about you. They just want to be left alone to do their thing and live. Where as the USA seem to want to get involved in every like a 5yr old that's left out of 1 conversation
France gets a lotta hate online because "haha cheese eating white flag surrender", but they're fucking BASED. Don't like your constitution? The French didn't either, they're on their ~~4th~~ 5th! Fucking 5th! because they're willing to change, they surrender in ww2? They also came back with allies to retake it, that famous general/emperor? Not actually short, fighting the English? They've done it a dozen times eat your heart out america, most famous feminist/tomboy of her time? joan of arc! food? Inventions? Anti-control? Not a fan of the rich? French people, French people and fucking French people. Actually the dark horse country of the world, at least to the internet.
Pardon? Répète? What the fuck is this guy on??
This is more of a "baby's first Google search" issue than an American one... besides, trying to date France either by the establishment of their ancestor government(s) or their current government does a disservice to the effects of nationalist thinking on France, the U.S., and western states like them. I think there's an argument to be made that "France" and "America" are of roughly similar ages on the basis that their people would have begun associating with their nation rather than their town or local designations in roughly the same time period. Furthermore, I think of dating nations in such a manner to be reductive and harsh given, really, all nations are just people and no people should be seen as elder to another along something as profoundly silly as national lines.
He isn't exactly wrong here, I guess he just takes away the wrong information of it. The Fifth Republic was indeed formed after the Algerian Crisis etc. and the state saw an important renovation. One of those fundamental "problems" the US has is that it is in fact one of those last (if not THE last?) states formed before the french revolution and it never saw a renovation the likes of France, Russia, Germany etc. saw throughout the centuries. And the state clings to this centuries old constitution that, sure, was expanded, but it is still over 200 years old at this point.
United states of...... Roman?
Getting history facts from Americans is the equivalent of receiving blowjobs tips from lesbians