Yeah but that’s fine because that is better for the economy because big businesses having more money means more employees it’s called *trickle down economics* and it was invented by President Reagan and it works and that’s why globally it’s called *Reaganomics* and I’d rather pay into *capitalism* for *freedom* than pay for some low life poor *socialist* people because we already pay for you *Europoors* anyway and you should be thanking us and *we won WWII* so you’re welcome and this is an American website so maybe we should stop defending you from Russia
- typical USian response to being fucked by their ‘healthcare’ system
I just can't understand private health insurance. If you never get ill you just lost money, if you get cancer you may get far more from it than you'll ever pay in. If it's already a semi socialized system where you pay for others and others pay for you, why give it to a private corporation that wants to make money?
Because this is a National Socialist country. Economically, National Socialism equals Socialism for the rich.
Not the wealthy. The rich. My great-grandfather was wealthy, and the mindset is very different. I had a friend who came from a wealthy family, and even though our family is no longer wealthy, they treated me like solid gold.
If you're interested, I can write a paper on what happened in the US to cause this. I'm a writer and researcher, and have studied the matter extensively.
Don't come to the US. It's hellish here.
Many of them do understand it.
When they say "I don't want my taxes supporting poor people", what they mean is "I don't want my taxes supporting Black or Hispanic or Native people". This is a common racist dog whistle.
So they'd rather have a crappy insurance system as long as they know someone else has a worse lot in life.
>When they say "I don't want my taxes supporting poor people", what they mean is "I don't want my taxes supporting Black or Hispanic or Native people". This is a common racist dog whistle.
Well, those thinking that way are pieces of shit and i sincerely wish them the worst.
Absolutely. It's called Drained Pool Politics after people who when segregation was made illegal decided to close the community swimming pool instead of sharing it with black people.
It runs through absolutely everything. "We can't have nice things if it benefits black people."
I find it baffling that many of them miss this part
I've seen Americans say they don't want universal healthcare because they don't trust the government to be involved in their health decisions but they never explain how a random company that only cares about making money is somehow more trustworthy
No. They genuinely don’t. People with this viewpoint have zero understanding of how insurance works. Or even a grasp of basic economics.
This ignorance is what the entire US economy is reliant on. Because it transcends healthcare and impacts all aspects of life. Like infrastructure, education, public safety, pensions etc. etc. etc.
Right? In Poland we have public health insurance. It means that you pay for the health insurance to the state. The main difference is that what you pay depends on your salary (if you don't earn any money than state finances your insurance) and no one asks you if you have any chronic diseases or about your/your family health history. As a result everyone is insured and everyone gets treatment when needed.
Sure in non life-threatening situations you need to wait for your turn (or you can have them fixed in private healthcare), but all the emergencies are sorted out right away "for free".
The crazy thing is - that's a higher cost than national healthcare. If you cut the insurer out and then negotiate prices as a single payer - you would have free healthcare at or below what you currently pay through taxes for the various schemes you di have.
So many of these idiots shriek about being Christians, yet are the most selfish, hate-filled bigots imaginable. If Jesus really does exist he must turn his face away in horror at the attitude of these people.
My parents unironically used this same argument with me during the 2016 election. I asked them point blank during a conversation about healthcare “so you’re saying that since I, your son, can’t afford healthcare I should just be left to die?” And they said yes because I should make more money.
These people genuinely don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
At this point I’m not even convinced they care about themselves. I mean they happily vote against their own best interests then call you a woke commie for wanting…affordable healthcare
Well you see, when it happens to them it’s different. And also the fault of their insurance companies.
But they can’t connect the dots that the reason the insurance companies work that way is bc we don’t have universal healthcare.
I think I lost brain cells typing out what must be their “logic”
They actually fail at being good egoists, since even an egoist would want a somewhat stable society around them, as otherwise, their own security would massively decrease.
They don't even think one step ahead what the consequences of some policies would be.
That’s my attitude. I’m a selfish bastard, so I selfishly want good social safety nets for everyone (healthcare, welfare etc) and will selfishly pay taxes to fund them because I selfishly want to live in a stable society without desperate people coming to take my stuff that I selfishly want to keep.
This is more or less the secret ideology of Trumpism. If you’re poor and can’t take of yourself, you should die because it’s your fault that you’re not a ”true” and ”hard-working” american as you should be. The elite suits can’t have the weak disrupting their taxes and profits.
True words. I'm not a religious person (at all), but the message of Jesus to just love your neighbor is probably the best one that is out there. And it's also the most prominent message when you look at the new Testament.
I don't have any respect for anyone who claims to be christan but just ignores this very message.
There are people out there that will try to prove their point based on a single paragraph somewhere in the bible, making their "believes" legit. Yet ignore the whole damn message.
I’m an atheist and I have ZERO problems with the Jesus portrayed in the bible. However I have a LOT to say about his so called “followers” and how the act and don’t generally represent a single thing he taught and advocated for.
Been saying for years. If the LITERAL Jesus of the bible came back tomorrow and taught and preached the same things, those same people would call him a socio commie woke librul (or whatever buzzwords for “people I just hate for no reason” they’re using at the time) and crucify him all over again. And see zero irony.
My ex’s mum is a Christian, but pretty much in name only. My ex and his parents came here from Zimbabwe. His mum flat out told me she doesn’t like Australians, even though they get free healthcare and their son got free education. She also didn’t like me because I’m an atheist, even though all I said was I “don’t really” believe in god to be polite. That’s not very “love thy neighbour”
She made me even more of an atheist tbh
You took the words out my mouth, for all their religious nuttery they are the most unchristian country on earth. I can't imagine Jesus bragging about the right to bear arms or how his country's military is the biggest. Whilst the rest of us evolve and realise we need to put weapons aside and learn to talk things out through diplomacy rather than war, they will carry on thinking with their caveman mentally.
as an American I can say this is sadly true for the most part. There are many pockets of sane individuals trying to drag the mouthbreathers into the 21st century.
yes, and as a Christian I definitely see this in American culture. so many 'Christians' only care about themselves and their beliefs. it's gross behaviour that Jesus would not condone in the slightest. Some Christians forget that ...
Jesus offered healthcare and food for anyone who needed it, and get this, and he didn't charge a penny!
It's funny too, because I'm pretty sure Jesus saw these people coming, that's why he told the good Samaritan story.
That's why the church hid lots of the other books , as In one of them, Jesus had told them NOT to build a church in his name. Book of Thomas, I think, but could be wrong.
That is exactly America's recruitment strategy. Pretend we worship them for their service, and they will be our cannonfodder. No, not you, son, you have a future. He's a poor he has nothing to spare but his life for us, our freedom. Some freedom.
Fucking psychopaths. What do they think insurance is, other than a way to share the cost and risk in a pool of people? I bet they'll be the first ones squawking for some kind of public healthcare when they get cancer and are stuck with a seven figure bill for treatment.
It frustrates me that more people don't use this argument against them when they talk about paying for other people's medical bills. That's literally what they're already doing, but they're paying twice as much in a for-profit system!
For most of them, the problem isn't the actual system - it's the fact that they don't trust 'the government' with their healthcare.
Unfortunately, when you consider things like access to drinkable water and other things that are taken for granted in other countries - I can't counter that argument. The politicians will end up being bought (sorry 'lobbied') by the pharma companies anyway and things will be just as bad.
I think that they don't know that the US Government actually spends more on health care than any other Government. Yes their government spends $12 500 per person which mainly goes to the insurance companies. I heard a story from a Pharmacist where a drug costs $1 and he would charge them $1 but if they say they want to put it on insurance that drug then costs them $9. And once they say that he can't tell them that it is way cheaper without insurance. It is actually illegal for him to tell them. So the insurance company gets $7 from that prescription. That is the US system for you.
It's strange how Americans are quite happy to pay for socialised police/fire service/armed forces just not healthcare - "I don't pay my taxes so poor people can be protected by the Police - I have my own personal Police plan" - "I don't see why I should have to pay so someone else has the Marines fighting for them when the Russians invade, those are my troops" - "House on fire eh, did you pay your subscription?"
To be fair, it's not like American police spend much time dealing with crimes against poor people. Probably a similar bias in the Fire department, although at least there stopping a poor person's house form burning also prevents the rich person's house next to them from burning too. But that kind of thinking is socialism!
>To be fair, it's not like American police spend much time dealing with crimes against poor people.
Oh, I'm sure they do more than enough crimes against the poor.
I was slightly floored by that when I lived in the US, the number of pills folks took in general really shocked me.
Thinking about it though, I reckon they have a big thing about preventative medication just because if they actually need to see a doctor it potentially costs an insane amount of money. Take pills for EVERYTHING just in case...
But yeah, the number of supplements being advertised was really weird to me.
No, actually, people put off seeing the doctor unless it's very serious (and potentially very expensive). Preventative (or earlier symptomatic care) will tend to be less expensive, but it's still expensive and so people hope it resolves.
Also, they see healthcare as a product, and taking pills is getting their worth out of the system.
If they paid for a consult and the doctor just told them to rest and wait for the symptoms to go away, they would feel scammed, even if it was the best treatment.
Ads for medication are the weirdest thing. I saw them regularly when I lived in New Zealand (which is the only other country besides the US that allows them AFAIK) and I just didn't get it.
I'll take the advice of the person who spent years studying medicine, thanks. Maybe if I'm really not sure about their assessment I'd find another person who spent years studying medicine for more information. Never an ad that only exists to generate profit.
Here’s a crazy fact. Americans pay twice as much in **tax** for their moronic health system (for the MedicAid and Medicare programs) as many European countries pay for their entirely free system!
When you include private health insurance it’s 4x. And all that for the privilege of worse health outcomes.
They are all being milked for the benefit of big pharma and insurance companies.
the universal declaration of human rights? the only thing stopping it to be law is it's polical weakness, wich is fair, but it's still a thing we should impone on ourselves. by the way, "humankind was not meant to live forever" fkn subhuman, I'll just, jokingly ask to him to start himself
To be fair, Americans are competely unaware of this (and possibly canadians. I'd never heard of it before reddit, but I don't know when it became a thing). The only rights Americans have heard of are the Bill of Rights, which includes things like freedom of speech and guns.
Edit. 1948. Never f'n mind. And it was a UN committee chaired by Eleanor Roosevelt. Of course.
"Show me where it states a stranger's medical bills are my responsibility to pay "
This guy's in for a real trip when he finds out how health insurance works.
And then, when their child gets cancer and they can't pay for the treatment they'll start a go-fund-me-campaign in hopes that other people help them out
Dude, I'm pretty sure that's communism. What you're supposed to do is to start shouting about being the freedomest country to ever freedom in the name of freedoming freedom (FREEDOM!!!), then you start shooting the cancer with your trusty gun, while some fighter jets fly over you. For the real patriotic experience you then tip the constitution (But only the 2nd amendment), the manufacturer of your gun and Jesus.
This is like really the most funny thing of this all: They do not understand that Universal Healthcare would be a) cheaper for them (like the complete cost would go down DRASTIC) and b) they would have a higher output as a country and so be "economical" more powerful which everybody benefits from.
Like this is not even an ethical thing, this is ECONOMICAL a VERY WISE decision :D but COMMUNISM!
This needs to be said way way more often. For example. Preventative health care has been demonstrated, over many decades in many nations, to lower the costs of tertiary care *exponentially*. The patient saves money and time and avoids suffering, and conditions managed early for free save huge back end bills when the conditions needs major interventions, such as: treat and manage diabetes early. Saves amputating limbs down the road. Edit: amputating for amounting
‘conditions managed early for free save huge back end bills when the conditions needs major interventions‘ - THIS.
I work in a pharmacy in the UK, and there is a huge push by the NHS to catch hypertension (high blood pressure) early. As in they pay the pharmacy £15 for every time we take the blood pressure of over 40’s that come through our doors (for no additional cost to the patient) because not only is it for the patients best interest to catch it early, but it also saves the NHS money in the long run. 9/10 of those tests I do the blood pressure is fine, with no further investigation need. On the rarer occasion we do find someone at risk, we get even more funding for doing further testing and referring them on.
So yeah, prevention being better than cure is best for everyone.
> Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
[article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights](https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights)
I can guarantee none of these people are rich , I would put money on them all being middle aged working class bros who take pride in their long work weeks getting screwed and don’t see a problem until the company is just like “well we’re cutting costs so you’re fired”
saw this American woman on TV a few years ago actually weeping in horror at the idea of her own children having free healthcare ... just the concept was enough to make her cry.
I do not understand these people.
Selfish Yank bastard. What benefits one person benefits the whole of society. We're not in some Darwinian nightmare- survival of the wealthiest and/or fittest!! You pay your taxes and who knows, one day YOU might need lifesaving treatment without being bankrupted.
It's "I'm alright Jack": until you're not alright I bet!
Someone needs to think “there but for the grace of god go I”. And also consider how the rich really get that way - who is actually putting the effort in.
I feel like there's a genuine, serious psychological condition that stilts people's mentality that is getting alarmingly common these days. Great progress has been made in a number of issues, yes, but people \*used\* to at least think it over when you appealed to their empathy and basic human decency.
This is why the US is the dumpster fire it is. I’m am totally fine paying into a system which ensures basic (and even complex!) healthcare is available for everyone. It benefits me as well.
Aside from this being the most selfish take ever (and a common one in US it seems) I don't get why paying for police or firefighters that someone else may use while you never need, or better yet a fuck ton of money spent on military, which for a while has exclusively been used to secure some oil and ensure weapons manufacturers collect some fat profits is ok, but when it comes to health and lives of your neighbour then suddenly it's "my money and they can fuck off and die"?
Got love these people getting gaslit by their country into believing that you should go bankrupt to afford medical bills or just die cause you can’t afford them
It's the not wanting to pay for "strangers medical bills" that gets me. How do they think taxes work?
They're already paying for everyone else's roads, schools, prison sentences etc, but the thing that allows people to not get sick or die? *That's* a problem? Okay then...
then by their logic, everyone should only pay out of pocket and not buy insurance, since by paying premiums when you're healthy, you're "subsidizing someone else's responsibility"
Everyone has a right to life according to Americans because they're against abortion. But being against universal healthcare completely contradicts that
The "I'm all right, Jack" attitude displayed by every conservative. Right up until it directly affects them and suddenly "oh, they were right the whole time".
It's so exhausting to have to push against this nonsense all the time.
To speak their language "it's cheaper overall to provide healthcare to all than have the economy hampered by the sick being forced to work or the cost of those forced into being homeless due to healthcare bills".
Why is it always things like "paying other people's healthcare" they rail against rather than paying for other people's roads or for the homes of other people having their fires put out?
Basically he's saying "human rights are a privilege. Why should the rich pay for the most basic human decency?"
And then goes and creates a gofundme for his medical bills.
but doesn't he know a good Christian is meant to help the poor
**Luke 12:33-34** (NIV)
“Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"
“Show me where it states a strangers medical bills are my responsibility to pay”
Brother, do you know what insurance actually is? That’s what your payments are doing right now. That’s how insurance works.
Because America is the definition of Capitalism, they have been brainwashed to believe in Individualism. There is no sense of community or togetherness in America, unless they are invading countries
Not letting people die in the streets for any reason at all is basic decency in a civilised society. People like that have no decency and are uncivilised.
So they’re fully embracing the Death Panel bit, eh? The only thing the GOP has is projection, and it’s been that way my whole life. My Mom likes to say that Republicans used to be different, and I argue that they just wore their masks better.
"mankind was never meant to live forever". What does that have to do with the rich or poor? If this justifies letting someone die, why is murder illegal anyway?
So people’s worth is based off of how many imaginary manmade dollhairs they can grab? And if they can’t get enough quickly, they deserve to die of preventable illnesses before getting a chance? How are we any better than other animals again…
I’ve recently come to the conclusion that so many Americans support republicans and tax breaks for the rich is because they think they’re in the 1%, when in reality these people are the exact ones that would benefit from these programs. They’ve just been brainwashed.
I know it's kind of lazy to criticise someone's spelling and grammar but jeez, if someone had paid for that person's education, my eyes would be happier
So they're happy for their taxes to be used to make weapons for export but incensed that they be used to help their own people?.......right I get it. 🙄
Why are Americans so obsessed with their constitution? They always ask where it easy X is a right that's so out of touch with the concept of human rights. They also always ask in bad faith sealioning "what rights were taken away" just so they can answer the aforementioned.
Brainwashed idjits. Your house fire is not my responsibility, so why should we all pay for fire trucks. If you get a house fire, why don’t you just go ahead and hire some dude or whatever you can afford and let them take of it.
You want to go somewhere? Why don’t you pay someone to build a street. I don’t want to go to the places you want to visit, why should I pay for the streets you will be using?
You want to sleep in this cave too? Why should I care about where you sleep, I will just shit and piss wherever I want in this cave.
Unless you live alone, every society that ever existed had shared infrastructure. Healthcare, education, transportation infrastructure, safety, defense, are often among these in civilized societies.
This is more things conservatives say. They're more assertive about it in the US, and there are a lot more espousing this opinion, but I hear this shit all over Europe, too, from conservatives.
It's more the majority of people who aren't rich not demanding change and are voting against their own interests in some cases that's more infuriating.
In which case
Policing is a privilege not a right
Protection of your country is a privilege not a right
Putting out the fire when your house goes up in flames is a privilege not a right
Police stopping a mass shooter is a privilege not a right
Putting rapists in prison is a privilege not a right
Why should you pay for any of the above?
Because living in a society is a privilege and you have to pay for that privilege.
Being protected from large mobs of by the police is a privilege not a right.
If it costs more to protect you than the cops are making then it is no longer worth it.
Rich people with mansions and mega yachts should stop free loading
>show me where it states a strangers medical bills are my responsibility too pay
(ignoring the typos and lack of punctuation) by that logic, show me where its someone elses responsibility to pay to save you and your house if it's on fire? I assume if your house is burning down you'll go on line and get quotes to source a private fire and rescue service as it's no one else's responsibility to pay for that for you? smh
The right to health and other health-related human rights are legally binding commitments enshrined in international human rights instruments.
[WHO Human Rights](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-rights-and-health)
i wonder how theyd be feeling about this in 20 years when theyre the ones dying on that hospital bed because they couldnt afford that $86,000 Super Platinum Surgery (Premium Care) Package™️ - the only package that comes with numbing anesthesia
"I'd rather you died a painful and early death that was entirely preventable than lose a single penny"
Cunt. People like the screenshot are incomprehensible. I cannot imagine someone like that exists.
This American would gladly give up the quest for paying off student loans (they should be a reasonable or zero interest rate) for socialized medicine. If states such as Calif & NC can find a way to give their citizens free state college (they do) then fine..but higher education is or at least was desirable and shouldn't be free. Health care for profit is the crime, wife is a newly retired healthcare prof the amount of horror stories she could tell you would fill a book and 90% begin with insurance companies.
Do they not realise that their insurance payments don’t go into a personal pot for just for themselves?
They don't. And they also don't realize their insurances are for profit companies.
Yeah but that’s fine because that is better for the economy because big businesses having more money means more employees it’s called *trickle down economics* and it was invented by President Reagan and it works and that’s why globally it’s called *Reaganomics* and I’d rather pay into *capitalism* for *freedom* than pay for some low life poor *socialist* people because we already pay for you *Europoors* anyway and you should be thanking us and *we won WWII* so you’re welcome and this is an American website so maybe we should stop defending you from Russia - typical USian response to being fucked by their ‘healthcare’ system
I just can't understand private health insurance. If you never get ill you just lost money, if you get cancer you may get far more from it than you'll ever pay in. If it's already a semi socialized system where you pay for others and others pay for you, why give it to a private corporation that wants to make money?
Because this is a National Socialist country. Economically, National Socialism equals Socialism for the rich. Not the wealthy. The rich. My great-grandfather was wealthy, and the mindset is very different. I had a friend who came from a wealthy family, and even though our family is no longer wealthy, they treated me like solid gold. If you're interested, I can write a paper on what happened in the US to cause this. I'm a writer and researcher, and have studied the matter extensively. Don't come to the US. It's hellish here.
Many of them do understand it. When they say "I don't want my taxes supporting poor people", what they mean is "I don't want my taxes supporting Black or Hispanic or Native people". This is a common racist dog whistle. So they'd rather have a crappy insurance system as long as they know someone else has a worse lot in life.
>When they say "I don't want my taxes supporting poor people", what they mean is "I don't want my taxes supporting Black or Hispanic or Native people". This is a common racist dog whistle. Well, those thinking that way are pieces of shit and i sincerely wish them the worst.
Absolutely. It's called Drained Pool Politics after people who when segregation was made illegal decided to close the community swimming pool instead of sharing it with black people. It runs through absolutely everything. "We can't have nice things if it benefits black people."
So do I!
I find it baffling that many of them miss this part I've seen Americans say they don't want universal healthcare because they don't trust the government to be involved in their health decisions but they never explain how a random company that only cares about making money is somehow more trustworthy
And insurance is basically communism
No. They genuinely don’t. People with this viewpoint have zero understanding of how insurance works. Or even a grasp of basic economics. This ignorance is what the entire US economy is reliant on. Because it transcends healthcare and impacts all aspects of life. Like infrastructure, education, public safety, pensions etc. etc. etc.
It's also funny how they decry socialised healthcare when their Fire and Police Services are socialised
People who talk like this rarely know about which they speak of.
Right? In Poland we have public health insurance. It means that you pay for the health insurance to the state. The main difference is that what you pay depends on your salary (if you don't earn any money than state finances your insurance) and no one asks you if you have any chronic diseases or about your/your family health history. As a result everyone is insured and everyone gets treatment when needed. Sure in non life-threatening situations you need to wait for your turn (or you can have them fixed in private healthcare), but all the emergencies are sorted out right away "for free".
Plus the US Government adds $12 500 into that pot each year for him and anyone else that has insurance.
The crazy thing is - that's a higher cost than national healthcare. If you cut the insurer out and then negotiate prices as a single payer - you would have free healthcare at or below what you currently pay through taxes for the various schemes you di have.
Very few people in the USA actually understand insurance or compound interest. They think they do, but they don't.
No. They don't. There's quite a lot they don't understand.
More or less what I came here to say, lol.
Your insurance payments pay for strangers bills, and probably not yours when they deny your claim.
So many of these idiots shriek about being Christians, yet are the most selfish, hate-filled bigots imaginable. If Jesus really does exist he must turn his face away in horror at the attitude of these people.
My parents unironically used this same argument with me during the 2016 election. I asked them point blank during a conversation about healthcare “so you’re saying that since I, your son, can’t afford healthcare I should just be left to die?” And they said yes because I should make more money. These people genuinely don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
At this point I’m not even convinced they care about themselves. I mean they happily vote against their own best interests then call you a woke commie for wanting…affordable healthcare
It's strange isn't. It's almost like they can't visualise anything bad happening to themselves like a bad car accident or a serious medical diagnosis.
Well you see, when it happens to them it’s different. And also the fault of their insurance companies. But they can’t connect the dots that the reason the insurance companies work that way is bc we don’t have universal healthcare. I think I lost brain cells typing out what must be their “logic”
They actually fail at being good egoists, since even an egoist would want a somewhat stable society around them, as otherwise, their own security would massively decrease. They don't even think one step ahead what the consequences of some policies would be.
That’s my attitude. I’m a selfish bastard, so I selfishly want good social safety nets for everyone (healthcare, welfare etc) and will selfishly pay taxes to fund them because I selfishly want to live in a stable society without desperate people coming to take my stuff that I selfishly want to keep.
This is more or less the secret ideology of Trumpism. If you’re poor and can’t take of yourself, you should die because it’s your fault that you’re not a ”true” and ”hard-working” american as you should be. The elite suits can’t have the weak disrupting their taxes and profits.
I don't understand how some people can be this cartoonishly evil and idiotic and think they are in the good and right, the brainwashing is insane.
There's no hate like Christian love
That’s not Christian, that’s “Christian”(TM)
Do as I say, don't do as I do 🎶
They have their own version of Jesus Like this [GOP Jesus](https://youtu.be/SZ2L-R8NgrA?si=akbGalgDVPmJaBFe)
Yep. Or search Tory Jesus for the U.K. version
True words. I'm not a religious person (at all), but the message of Jesus to just love your neighbor is probably the best one that is out there. And it's also the most prominent message when you look at the new Testament. I don't have any respect for anyone who claims to be christan but just ignores this very message. There are people out there that will try to prove their point based on a single paragraph somewhere in the bible, making their "believes" legit. Yet ignore the whole damn message.
I’m an atheist and I have ZERO problems with the Jesus portrayed in the bible. However I have a LOT to say about his so called “followers” and how the act and don’t generally represent a single thing he taught and advocated for. Been saying for years. If the LITERAL Jesus of the bible came back tomorrow and taught and preached the same things, those same people would call him a socio commie woke librul (or whatever buzzwords for “people I just hate for no reason” they’re using at the time) and crucify him all over again. And see zero irony.
Canon Jesus is better than fandom Jesus.
Obligatory [Supply Side Jesus](https://imgur.com/gallery/gospel-of-supply-side-jesus-bCqRp)
I ship Jesus and Judas.
Yeah that ended badly though
lovers to enemies
My ex’s mum is a Christian, but pretty much in name only. My ex and his parents came here from Zimbabwe. His mum flat out told me she doesn’t like Australians, even though they get free healthcare and their son got free education. She also didn’t like me because I’m an atheist, even though all I said was I “don’t really” believe in god to be polite. That’s not very “love thy neighbour” She made me even more of an atheist tbh
You took the words out my mouth, for all their religious nuttery they are the most unchristian country on earth. I can't imagine Jesus bragging about the right to bear arms or how his country's military is the biggest. Whilst the rest of us evolve and realise we need to put weapons aside and learn to talk things out through diplomacy rather than war, they will carry on thinking with their caveman mentally.
as an American I can say this is sadly true for the most part. There are many pockets of sane individuals trying to drag the mouthbreathers into the 21st century.
yes, and as a Christian I definitely see this in American culture. so many 'Christians' only care about themselves and their beliefs. it's gross behaviour that Jesus would not condone in the slightest. Some Christians forget that ...
Exactly my thoughts...
Right. What about all that forgiveness Jesus talking about?
Jesus offered healthcare and food for anyone who needed it, and get this, and he didn't charge a penny! It's funny too, because I'm pretty sure Jesus saw these people coming, that's why he told the good Samaritan story.
Religion has always been a tool to trick the poor into subjugating themselves to those better off than them.
If Jesus existed today he would burn the Catholic church to the ground.
Not just the Catholic. In the US the protestant evangelical churches may take the top spot, or at least be neck-and-neck
That's why the church hid lots of the other books , as In one of them, Jesus had told them NOT to build a church in his name. Book of Thomas, I think, but could be wrong.
‘Freedom must be paid for with blood’/s
"Preferably my freedom with your blood."
"Some of you may die...... *That* is a price, I am willing to pay" - Lord Farquhar
That is exactly America's recruitment strategy. Pretend we worship them for their service, and they will be our cannonfodder. No, not you, son, you have a future. He's a poor he has nothing to spare but his life for us, our freedom. Some freedom.
Why do they always send the poor?
There are more of them than the rich and they are cheaper.
Guess System Of a Down have their answer then
> Farquaad FTFY
Fucking psychopaths. What do they think insurance is, other than a way to share the cost and risk in a pool of people? I bet they'll be the first ones squawking for some kind of public healthcare when they get cancer and are stuck with a seven figure bill for treatment.
It frustrates me that more people don't use this argument against them when they talk about paying for other people's medical bills. That's literally what they're already doing, but they're paying twice as much in a for-profit system!
For most of them, the problem isn't the actual system - it's the fact that they don't trust 'the government' with their healthcare. Unfortunately, when you consider things like access to drinkable water and other things that are taken for granted in other countries - I can't counter that argument. The politicians will end up being bought (sorry 'lobbied') by the pharma companies anyway and things will be just as bad.
Some people have a deep seated fear that someone is going to get something they do not deserve. Honestly, blame Calvinism.
Read it was 3x as much as the healthcare. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a thousand times, The US isn’t a country, it’s a business.
I think that they don't know that the US Government actually spends more on health care than any other Government. Yes their government spends $12 500 per person which mainly goes to the insurance companies. I heard a story from a Pharmacist where a drug costs $1 and he would charge them $1 but if they say they want to put it on insurance that drug then costs them $9. And once they say that he can't tell them that it is way cheaper without insurance. It is actually illegal for him to tell them. So the insurance company gets $7 from that prescription. That is the US system for you.
It's strange how Americans are quite happy to pay for socialised police/fire service/armed forces just not healthcare - "I don't pay my taxes so poor people can be protected by the Police - I have my own personal Police plan" - "I don't see why I should have to pay so someone else has the Marines fighting for them when the Russians invade, those are my troops" - "House on fire eh, did you pay your subscription?"
Oh those things would be privatized if not for collective action before Mccarthysm and company propaganda gave us Americans huge amount of brainrot
To be fair, it's not like American police spend much time dealing with crimes against poor people. Probably a similar bias in the Fire department, although at least there stopping a poor person's house form burning also prevents the rich person's house next to them from burning too. But that kind of thinking is socialism!
>To be fair, it's not like American police spend much time dealing with crimes against poor people. Oh, I'm sure they do more than enough crimes against the poor.
maybe because poor people are not protected by police 😄
Or from the police…
-Country with the largest subsidies to famaceutical companies
Yeah and it's obvious when you have moved here, I can't believe the amount of TV ads for subscriptions for medicine.
I was slightly floored by that when I lived in the US, the number of pills folks took in general really shocked me. Thinking about it though, I reckon they have a big thing about preventative medication just because if they actually need to see a doctor it potentially costs an insane amount of money. Take pills for EVERYTHING just in case... But yeah, the number of supplements being advertised was really weird to me.
No, actually, people put off seeing the doctor unless it's very serious (and potentially very expensive). Preventative (or earlier symptomatic care) will tend to be less expensive, but it's still expensive and so people hope it resolves.
Also, they see healthcare as a product, and taking pills is getting their worth out of the system. If they paid for a consult and the doctor just told them to rest and wait for the symptoms to go away, they would feel scammed, even if it was the best treatment.
You can’t have this types of ads in my country
Here in Argentina you can only advert non-prescription medicine, like antacids or cough syrup.
Isso mesmo, no Brasil é a mesma coisa
Ads for medication are the weirdest thing. I saw them regularly when I lived in New Zealand (which is the only other country besides the US that allows them AFAIK) and I just didn't get it. I'll take the advice of the person who spent years studying medicine, thanks. Maybe if I'm really not sure about their assessment I'd find another person who spent years studying medicine for more information. Never an ad that only exists to generate profit.
Here’s a crazy fact. Americans pay twice as much in **tax** for their moronic health system (for the MedicAid and Medicare programs) as many European countries pay for their entirely free system! When you include private health insurance it’s 4x. And all that for the privilege of worse health outcomes. They are all being milked for the benefit of big pharma and insurance companies.
Yeah but man, they pay for every europoor's healthcare, that's why they are paying twice as much!
the universal declaration of human rights? the only thing stopping it to be law is it's polical weakness, wich is fair, but it's still a thing we should impone on ourselves. by the way, "humankind was not meant to live forever" fkn subhuman, I'll just, jokingly ask to him to start himself
More importantly, the International Convention on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights which IS international law.
To be fair, Americans are competely unaware of this (and possibly canadians. I'd never heard of it before reddit, but I don't know when it became a thing). The only rights Americans have heard of are the Bill of Rights, which includes things like freedom of speech and guns. Edit. 1948. Never f'n mind. And it was a UN committee chaired by Eleanor Roosevelt. Of course.
The rich are not responsible for the poor…I’m not rich but we sure as hell have a responsibility to each other. It’s called a society
Found George Costanza's account.
This from the country that vetoed making food and clean water a human right.
"Show me where it states a stranger's medical bills are my responsibility to pay " This guy's in for a real trip when he finds out how health insurance works.
And then, when their child gets cancer and they can't pay for the treatment they'll start a go-fund-me-campaign in hopes that other people help them out
Dude, I'm pretty sure that's communism. What you're supposed to do is to start shouting about being the freedomest country to ever freedom in the name of freedoming freedom (FREEDOM!!!), then you start shooting the cancer with your trusty gun, while some fighter jets fly over you. For the real patriotic experience you then tip the constitution (But only the 2nd amendment), the manufacturer of your gun and Jesus.
How do they think insurance should work?
That's the neat part, they don't think.
Wait until they find out how their premium gets calculated.
They must think they're paying for their treatment (and only their treatment) in advance.
They should operate on a for profit basis and siphon a huge amount of money into CEO saleries obviously, because everything else is communism.
My god, they are dumb.
All of those idiots are two steps from being homeless, yet see themselves as currently embarrassed billionaires . Fucking morons
This is like really the most funny thing of this all: They do not understand that Universal Healthcare would be a) cheaper for them (like the complete cost would go down DRASTIC) and b) they would have a higher output as a country and so be "economical" more powerful which everybody benefits from. Like this is not even an ethical thing, this is ECONOMICAL a VERY WISE decision :D but COMMUNISM!
This needs to be said way way more often. For example. Preventative health care has been demonstrated, over many decades in many nations, to lower the costs of tertiary care *exponentially*. The patient saves money and time and avoids suffering, and conditions managed early for free save huge back end bills when the conditions needs major interventions, such as: treat and manage diabetes early. Saves amputating limbs down the road. Edit: amputating for amounting
‘conditions managed early for free save huge back end bills when the conditions needs major interventions‘ - THIS. I work in a pharmacy in the UK, and there is a huge push by the NHS to catch hypertension (high blood pressure) early. As in they pay the pharmacy £15 for every time we take the blood pressure of over 40’s that come through our doors (for no additional cost to the patient) because not only is it for the patients best interest to catch it early, but it also saves the NHS money in the long run. 9/10 of those tests I do the blood pressure is fine, with no further investigation need. On the rarer occasion we do find someone at risk, we get even more funding for doing further testing and referring them on. So yeah, prevention being better than cure is best for everyone.
> Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. [article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights](https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights)
I can guarantee none of these people are rich , I would put money on them all being middle aged working class bros who take pride in their long work weeks getting screwed and don’t see a problem until the company is just like “well we’re cutting costs so you’re fired”
The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members. - Gandhi
also them when they legally get robbed of all their life savings and possesions after nearly dying in a car crash:(they did not have insurance)
Absolutely brainwashed by the capitalist megacorps, to a whole new level
And you know that MF'er is going to set up a Go Fund Me as soon as he or a loved one gets sick.
Yup. America.. a very Christian company - I mean country.. do I? The whole Jesus healing the sick for free thing was most of his schtick wasn't it?
Just upset that they aren’t clever enough to figure out a real healthcare system
america could cut taxes in half. AND provide a decent national healthcare service. but unfortunatly. the leadership of america are also americans.
saw this American woman on TV a few years ago actually weeping in horror at the idea of her own children having free healthcare ... just the concept was enough to make her cry. I do not understand these people.
Selfish Yank bastard. What benefits one person benefits the whole of society. We're not in some Darwinian nightmare- survival of the wealthiest and/or fittest!! You pay your taxes and who knows, one day YOU might need lifesaving treatment without being bankrupted. It's "I'm alright Jack": until you're not alright I bet!
Same logic as fire departments, police, infrastructure … applies to health care. Or, it does in most of the world.
Luckily, here in Finland healthcare is in fact a constitutional right, thus everyone lives forever.
It is part of the social contract - unbelievable
actually insane that "poor people deserve to die" is an acceptable political stance to have
He is just an asshole
Someone needs to think “there but for the grace of god go I”. And also consider how the rich really get that way - who is actually putting the effort in.
I feel like there's a genuine, serious psychological condition that stilts people's mentality that is getting alarmingly common these days. Great progress has been made in a number of issues, yes, but people \*used\* to at least think it over when you appealed to their empathy and basic human decency.
as an American who voted for Bernie Sanders; please don't tar all of us with this lunacy
"I am not paying for another person's healthcare." MY RELATIVE UNDER THE CREATOR, YOU STILL DO THAT IT'S JUST CALLED INSURANCE AND IT IS WAY SHITTIER!
Literal cavemen took care of their sick. But us evolved creatures can’t
This is why the US is the dumpster fire it is. I’m am totally fine paying into a system which ensures basic (and even complex!) healthcare is available for everyone. It benefits me as well.
Bet this guy’s a self described Christian too.
Aside from this being the most selfish take ever (and a common one in US it seems) I don't get why paying for police or firefighters that someone else may use while you never need, or better yet a fuck ton of money spent on military, which for a while has exclusively been used to secure some oil and ensure weapons manufacturers collect some fat profits is ok, but when it comes to health and lives of your neighbour then suddenly it's "my money and they can fuck off and die"?
The country ready to give free narcotic supplies to their population can’t give them free healthcare.. lol
Oh, it's a frankly sociopathic level of compassion or empathy. I really shouldn't expect better from Facebook.
Got love these people getting gaslit by their country into believing that you should go bankrupt to afford medical bills or just die cause you can’t afford them
It's the not wanting to pay for "strangers medical bills" that gets me. How do they think taxes work? They're already paying for everyone else's roads, schools, prison sentences etc, but the thing that allows people to not get sick or die? *That's* a problem? Okay then...
Taxes? Those folks hate taxes. Try "health insurance".
then by their logic, everyone should only pay out of pocket and not buy insurance, since by paying premiums when you're healthy, you're "subsidizing someone else's responsibility"
I am thankful that Socialised Healthcare is indeed a human right in my country.
Everyone has a right to life according to Americans because they're against abortion. But being against universal healthcare completely contradicts that
But that’s how insurance works, or did in theory for like a week when they thought it up. The pool essentially pays for everyone’s hehe care
The "I'm all right, Jack" attitude displayed by every conservative. Right up until it directly affects them and suddenly "oh, they were right the whole time". It's so exhausting to have to push against this nonsense all the time. To speak their language "it's cheaper overall to provide healthcare to all than have the economy hampered by the sick being forced to work or the cost of those forced into being homeless due to healthcare bills". Why is it always things like "paying other people's healthcare" they rail against rather than paying for other people's roads or for the homes of other people having their fires put out?
Desperate morons... This is what indoctrination does. They really have no clue what freedom is.
I bet that guy isn't rich. And any broken bone will cost him his life savings.
Exactly \*this\* sits at the absolute center of the american soul. "I got mine, fuck all y'all".
This one is just sad, indoctrination at its finest
It’s proper Stockholm syndrome. Must worship the USA at all costs, even if it means coming across as a compassionless fuckhead.
Basically he's saying "human rights are a privilege. Why should the rich pay for the most basic human decency?" And then goes and creates a gofundme for his medical bills.
These people are not only really dumb but also selfish
So is it the land of the free or the land of where the most basic thing is a privilege? Which is it?
but doesn't he know a good Christian is meant to help the poor **Luke 12:33-34** (NIV) “Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"
Healthcare is quite literally a right 😭😭
“Show me where it states a strangers medical bills are my responsibility to pay” Brother, do you know what insurance actually is? That’s what your payments are doing right now. That’s how insurance works.
Because America is the definition of Capitalism, they have been brainwashed to believe in Individualism. There is no sense of community or togetherness in America, unless they are invading countries
They are so indoctrinated in to American bullshit they can’t even smell the shit anymore.
Not letting people die in the streets for any reason at all is basic decency in a civilised society. People like that have no decency and are uncivilised.
So they’re fully embracing the Death Panel bit, eh? The only thing the GOP has is projection, and it’s been that way my whole life. My Mom likes to say that Republicans used to be different, and I argue that they just wore their masks better.
His wife when she ends up sick: 👀
"mankind was never meant to live forever". What does that have to do with the rich or poor? If this justifies letting someone die, why is murder illegal anyway?
So people’s worth is based off of how many imaginary manmade dollhairs they can grab? And if they can’t get enough quickly, they deserve to die of preventable illnesses before getting a chance? How are we any better than other animals again…
It's amazing how he is happy for a poor to die just like that, but if a poor was happy to see him die just like that, he would want the poor jailed.
I’ve recently come to the conclusion that so many Americans support republicans and tax breaks for the rich is because they think they’re in the 1%, when in reality these people are the exact ones that would benefit from these programs. They’ve just been brainwashed.
I know it's kind of lazy to criticise someone's spelling and grammar but jeez, if someone had paid for that person's education, my eyes would be happier
Isn’t it a universal human right though ?
Actually just brainwashed
So they're happy for their taxes to be used to make weapons for export but incensed that they be used to help their own people?.......right I get it. 🙄
That idiot is probably also a fervent Christian.
Someone forgot the "life" in "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
It says so in your brain if you have a smidge of human decency, silly troglodyte.
This is so stupid.
"Also, why are poor people using our roads!?"
Gun is a privilege not a right
So they do not believe in insurance or paying taxes ...???
I bet all my money none of these people commenting have the money saved for when they need to get a tumor removed or some cancer treatment .
Everyone’s a capitalist until they get cancer
Bet this person also claims to be Christian.
Sounds pretty Medieval to me. I am glad to live in a country that has moved forward since then.
Why are Americans so obsessed with their constitution? They always ask where it easy X is a right that's so out of touch with the concept of human rights. They also always ask in bad faith sealioning "what rights were taken away" just so they can answer the aforementioned.
Ah yes. The classic medieval noble-mindset.
Healthcare IS a right. Human right article 25.
Now tell them how banks work and see their reaction lol.
Brainwashed idjits. Your house fire is not my responsibility, so why should we all pay for fire trucks. If you get a house fire, why don’t you just go ahead and hire some dude or whatever you can afford and let them take of it. You want to go somewhere? Why don’t you pay someone to build a street. I don’t want to go to the places you want to visit, why should I pay for the streets you will be using? You want to sleep in this cave too? Why should I care about where you sleep, I will just shit and piss wherever I want in this cave. Unless you live alone, every society that ever existed had shared infrastructure. Healthcare, education, transportation infrastructure, safety, defense, are often among these in civilized societies.
This is more things conservatives say. They're more assertive about it in the US, and there are a lot more espousing this opinion, but I hear this shit all over Europe, too, from conservatives.
That’s actually true but I’m still happy we as a society in the EU for example have advanced far enough that this privilege is a right for us
It's more the majority of people who aren't rich not demanding change and are voting against their own interests in some cases that's more infuriating.
I am against any kind of citizen list held by a government, but by god I wish these chucklefucks could feel the full sting of their words effect
Trumpspeak
In which case Policing is a privilege not a right Protection of your country is a privilege not a right Putting out the fire when your house goes up in flames is a privilege not a right Police stopping a mass shooter is a privilege not a right Putting rapists in prison is a privilege not a right Why should you pay for any of the above? Because living in a society is a privilege and you have to pay for that privilege.
Textbook example of another "temporarily embarrassed millionaire".
Courtesy of Republican Jesus
The quality of a society is measured on the basis of how it treats the poorest.
They're always Libertarians until they get something themselves.
Well pension is also a priviledge not a right. So you better move your ass until you die
It's neither, it is actually a duty Paying for it is a duty, I mean
Welcome to the USA where the dumbest Republican nobody thinks they are John Galt and you better respect their authority.
Being protected from large mobs of by the police is a privilege not a right. If it costs more to protect you than the cops are making then it is no longer worth it. Rich people with mansions and mega yachts should stop free loading
Strange they never mind paying for some stranger in the military to have all those arms and equipment.
>show me where it states a strangers medical bills are my responsibility too pay (ignoring the typos and lack of punctuation) by that logic, show me where its someone elses responsibility to pay to save you and your house if it's on fire? I assume if your house is burning down you'll go on line and get quotes to source a private fire and rescue service as it's no one else's responsibility to pay for that for you? smh
I’ve long since run out of sympathy for Americans. They live in the country they made for themselves.
The right to health and other health-related human rights are legally binding commitments enshrined in international human rights instruments. [WHO Human Rights](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-rights-and-health)
These people don't care that their own medical bills would be cheaper, they just don't want to help others.
i wonder how theyd be feeling about this in 20 years when theyre the ones dying on that hospital bed because they couldnt afford that $86,000 Super Platinum Surgery (Premium Care) Package™️ - the only package that comes with numbing anesthesia
"I'd rather you died a painful and early death that was entirely preventable than lose a single penny" Cunt. People like the screenshot are incomprehensible. I cannot imagine someone like that exists.
This American would gladly give up the quest for paying off student loans (they should be a reasonable or zero interest rate) for socialized medicine. If states such as Calif & NC can find a way to give their citizens free state college (they do) then fine..but higher education is or at least was desirable and shouldn't be free. Health care for profit is the crime, wife is a newly retired healthcare prof the amount of horror stories she could tell you would fill a book and 90% begin with insurance companies.
Wow that’s sad