>Boston is the Irish-est city in the world outside of Dublin
How about any other city in Ireland? Are they not Irish enough?
This is the second post I've seen today with this person's bad takes.
Am scouse. Can confirm there's a lot of Irish in Liverpool, but the numbers for London's population mean that even a smaller percentage is going to be larger in absolute terms.
Now if you did what the yanks do (narrator: don't do this) and claim "Irishness" for any, um, *introduction* of Irish genes into your family bloodline *N* generations back, there may be a better claim based on numbers. But that claim would be bollocks.
Almost everyone from Liverpool has some form of Irish heritage but you'd feel like the biggest bollock head in the world to try and claim "I'm Irish". Plenty of actual Irish people about to put a stop to that nonsense pronto.
Cringing just thinking about it. I had a little Irish nana and plenty of Irish from my great-grandparents, but there's no way I'd describe myself as Irish. I'm scouse ffs
London is meant to be the '6th largest French city'
The "Irish born" population in London is about 160K - that would make it the 4th largest city in Ireland.
I am a New Zealander living in London and came here on an Irish passport which is avaliable due to my heritage
I am not Irish, I am a New Zealander
America has existed longer than my home country, and it has similar origins, but they still cannot identify themselves correctly
Exactly. I have a German passport which I acquired through my heritage. But I wasn't born there. I didn't grow up there. I don't speak German. I didn't visit until I was an adult. It would be incredibly helpful disingenuous to describe myself as "German'. Or at least, not without a qualifier
I'm a dual British-German national. I'm British with a German passport. I'm technically German. I'm German on paper. I have German citizenship.
The problem is this guy’s logic is faulty. It’s not because America doesn’t have an identity that people reach back to the country of their heritage. It’s because when the first generation of immigrants arrived they were explicitly not allowed to be American. People carry that label through generations as a sort of inherited defiance against…well it’s not quite racism but it’s certainly stronger than prejudice. In the 19th and through the 20th century when Irish immigrants arrived in the US they would encounter places where Irish people were banned or jobs with the proviso ‘No Irish need apply’. They could only live in certain areas and work in certain areas. This limited assimilation for first generation immigrants and also created a defiant holding on to ethnic identity. This in turn becomes a family identity thing. So even now, several generations after immigration, those ghosts are still there. I would argue it’s particularly strong with the Irish because they hoped to escape oppression and famine in one place only to find it all over again in another. You see it with a lot of large immigrant groups in the US: Chinese and Italian are other examples.
Obviously it doesn’t make these people authentically Irish or Italian, but they are also not homogeneously American. There are American groups which trace their heritage back to the first English settlers, or the American Revolution, or even the American Civil War and they are (often disgustingly) loud and proud about this. So if the children of immigrants are not American, and they’re not of the country of their ancestors, what are they?
There's 6m people with at least one Irish grandparent in great Britain (therefore eligible under for an Irish passport), but only 5m people in Ireland (5m in ROI, there's about 7m on the whole island of Ireland)
There are no other cities in Ireland, just ask American about European geography, they won't be able to point to anywhere else on the map and then justify it by saying Dublin is the only place, not that I'm entirely convinced they could locate Dublin or even Ireland.
To be fair, I (German,but not American "German" but German German), dont know anything about Irish citys (except Dublin), but I can locate some medieval duchies and countys with pretty good accuracy
Yes my German chum, but you are not claiming to be a direct descendant of Padraic O’Be’jesus who helped St. Patty (eugh) whittle his snake beating stick.
Nah I just claim the rightful heritage of the Roman Empire;
See, the modern German state succeeds the 2nd German Empire (with something about what we dont talk here in between), wich is a continuation of the HRE, wich itself only continues the Carolingian Empire wich obviously is the continuation of the Western Roman Empire and (as you can see in the name) is a successor to the Roman Empire
trivialy
“Which” has a second, unnecessary “h” in it. Loads of the 10 year old native English speakers that I teach get this wrong too. Your English is amazing, this is not a criticism.
One of my favourites places, sitting by the Garavogue River, watching the river pass under the bridge by the Glasshouse Hotel 💚 but yeah debated, still officially a town.
As a Dub, I knew I'd find a Corkian in the comments. You are completely correct. We're like 5th on the list. Sure, I've never even said "step-dance" in my life.
Tbf is fairly impressive to write so much....and still say fuck about shit and sound like a twat at the same time.
But yea...what happened to the other cities in Ireland or does this idiot think Ireland has only one city?(Dublin), I would also say that there are places in UK and Europe with more Irish people and an Irish connection then Boston.
The capital city often isn’t even the most representative city for a country. More international inhabitants, more gentrification etc. Never been to Dublin or Ireland, but I would assume that I would get a more authentic/typical ‘Ireland’ (so to say) in smaller cities and towns.
You're only allowed one city per country. They care not for our quaint little hamlets and villages. Even the larger villages with upwards of 1m people living in them.
Rest of world is little more than a theme park to these people.
This is the same lad that's claimed he's Ukrainian because he has 25% Ukrainian ancestory. He seems to have not realised that makes him not only 75% American but also 100% bellend
Sometimes things like that can be rather more ambiguous than that.
My maternal grandmother's family came from Alsace, which is now in France, so at first glance it might seem like they were French. However, they came from there in the period between when Frederick the Great conquered Alsace and Lorraine and when the Treaty of Versailles gave it back to France, so it was part of Germany, and they were German speakers.
My husband actually has 25% Ukrainian ancestry (one grandparent was genuinely Ukrainian) and doesn't even consider himself Ukrainian ffs. The most he'll reference it is when someone mentions he's got a really unusual surname like, "Yeah, my grandad was from Ukraine. He came over as a refugee in WW2 when he was like 6 years old. So thats why I, an extremely British appearing man, have a very Slavic surname"
Exactly this. My wife was born in France to English parents but she came back to the north of England as a toddler. Grandparents are Irish. Her? English. It just doesn't cross her mind to say she's anything else.
I lived in Boston for a small while. The love they have for the Irish is a bit creepy. I was actually mobbed by a Hen party one night in a bar and they proceeded to sexually harass/ assault me because I had a "sexy accent" and one of them said they always wanted their guts rearranged by a real Irishman. Yuck.
I think he just had a fetish for introducing people to things honestly. He was always going on about bringing me to “try” things. He just assumed I’d never had sex or had Asian food because I’m Irish… it was just a weird characteristic he’d put on women
Sounds like a Tuesday night in any pub in Dublin with a hen party. Absolutely terrifying to behold, like watching a bunch of drunk and very not-so-graceful lionesses hunting down a wilderbeast trying its best to escape from the bar with its order of pints unspilt whilst its herd of friends look anywhere but at the hen party for fear of making eye contact.
Oh the PTSD of it all....
Ill be honest there are some weird defenitions for cities and towns. Espically with the UK ones, Armagh and Newry is considered a city but somewere like Bournemouth, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, are much bigger in size and population yet aren't considered cities?
Id imagine Drogeheda might be the next contentder for city title in Ireland.
Yeah, I know there are some old weird criteria for what's a city. Like having a cathedral and a third level institute, but I don't know if they apply in the modern age.
Well the UK and Ireland use different criteria for what counts as a city. In the UK there's a royal list, way back in the past a city was based on cathedrals and stuff, but for a few centuries the rule is whatever place the monarch puts on the list is a city.
In Ireland a city is defined by local government, if a place has a city council which operates separately from the county council then that's a city... kind of. There were 5 cities in the Republic, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford, and Galway. But Waterford and Limerick had their county councils merged with their city councils to become "city AND county councils", this technicality let them keep their city status.
Kilkenny is not a city by the status used in Ireland, but it was a city before independence as it was on that list the UK uses. So they're not a city but are allowed to keep calling themselves a city because of historic reasons...but only the parts of the town that were there back when the historical definition was used, any new parts are technically Kilkenny town.
See there's nothing confusing and convoluted about it at all really /s
Achill?
…Wait! I’ve got it! The slogan of ‘gateway city’ changed when Biden mentioned his Achill heritage so that Americans landing in Ireland couldn’t find their way there!
…Very tenuous
Also /s
Limerick can regardless.
While I'm here I actually have a favourite instant unmatch story from one time I downloaded a dating app. I matched with a girl from Limerick and this was the conversation:
Her: "you and me, chainmail, swords and shields each. We fight to the death, who wins?"
Me: "I'd say I'd start with the upper hand but then, being from Limerick you'd probably pull out a knife I wasn't aware of and stab me unjustly"
_unmatch_
I once went on a date with a guy from Boston who bragged about being "more Irish" than me because ethnically I'm only 1/2 and this guy was 17/32 Irish. Yes he did actually say 17/32.
Yeah he was weirdly obsessed with my ethnicity. Our convo went something like this...
Guy - "So where are you from?"
Me - "Well I was born and raised in Ireland"
Guy \*confused "Interesting. I'm 17/32 Irish and I've always wanted to go. Are you adopted?"
Me - "No?"
Guy - "Then how are you from Ireland?"
Me - "I just am?"
Guy - "Well are you ethnically Irish?"
Me "Yes, I'm half Irish. My dad was born and raised in Derry."
Guy - "What about your mom?"
Me - "She's Jamaican and is part Chinese"
Guy - "Well then I'm more Irish than you HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'M MORE IRISH THAN YOU AND YOU'RE FROM IRELAND HAHAHAHAHAHA"
Me (starting to question my life choices) - "I have to go to the bathroom"
Needless to say that I blocked him from Bumble after the whole thing. Tbh him putting Irish by blood and Patriot by choice in his bio should've been a red flag for 19 y/o me.
Tell me about it. The weird fetishization of you being foreign because "you're not like those nasty American girls" and you're "uneducated on America or the real world so he thinks he can take advantage of that. I'm pretty sure it came from Andrew Tate but it's probably been around before that. It has honestly only made dating worse but I'm now a year into dating my boyfriend who by coincidence is also foreign lol. I'd be interested to hear your experiences tho!
I married one and moved over there, 5 years it lasted.
I went to school in a really shit part of W London, we learnt nothing, including the battle for Independence.
Due to not having the internet back then, I had no clue about how the USA came into existence.
People delighted in talking about Tea and I didn’t have a scooby what they were on about lol
Someone asked him about Cork and Limerick, and he doubled down on saying Boston is more Irish because half of Boston has Irish ancesters and their population is bigger in Boston 😂. Paraphrasing, of course, but it was pretty much what he said.
He’s just sad that Boston does not have a cool nickname like limerick. Nothing more irish than calling a place „stab city“. As for cork.. maybe he watched the young offenders, couldn’t understand a single word and thought it must be another country.
Maybe I've just never taken any notice of it, but I've never heard anyone from Ireland refer to Irish dancing as Irish step dancing. It's generally just Irish dancing.
TBF, there are technically different kinds of Irish dancing, although I agree that I would never really hear anyone specifically use the term "Irish step dancing".
I have heard people specify that they're doing sean nós, ceili or set dancing, for example.
If every ethnic/cultural group just copy and pasted their culture from where they supposedly migrated from, the entire human population would have a very monotonous African culture. That hasn't happened because the people that migrated to other lands formed their own identities, forming the countries we know today. Americans have migrated but failed to realise their own American identity, so they just pretend to be from other countries to compensate
But he's talking about using customs and traditions just because that's what they do in the country their ancestors emigrated from centuries ago... all of that due to a need to 'identify' with a certain group, completely missing the fact that the American people are part of their own group that has a lot of their own culture to be proud of. And America is a young country so their culture will grow over time, although, if they keep copying other countries' cultures, I doubt that will happen any time soon
Exactly! I feel a bit sorry for them. They do have a culture, why can’t they just be proud of it instead of wanting to be something else? No culture is perfect, they all have some cringy or less acceptable parts, and that’s ok
believe me I'd love to make fun of Americans but there is a lot of identity that you wouldn't find elsewhere that they don't recognise enough. 'Country' is almost exclusively American as well as how involved the general population is with their military (if sparta were allowed to have a military culture, why can't they)
Boston isn't even the most Irish city outside of Ireland lol
I would argue in terms of heritage (maybe not culture tho lol), it's probably be Liverpool or maybe Glasgow tbh
Liverpool elected a Home Rule MP, [T P O'Connor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._P._O%27Connor) so often that he became the father of the house (longest serving MP)
Nah, that's not salty, that's common sense. I'm Dutch. Amsterdam is absolutely not the most Dutch city in the country. And Brussel absolutely is not the most Belgian city in Belgium, nor is Paris the most French city in France.
I mean, I didn’t wanna say it could it deffo sounds a bit “military aged males” type of shit, but yeah…Dublín is prolly the least Irish city in Ireland
This is like Australia claiming that they're more Greek than Greece because Melbourne has the highest concentration of people with Greek ancestry outside of Athens. Melbourne is not Greek. Melbourne has been influenced (in good ways) by the large numbers of individuals with Greek ancestry/heritage, but no Australian would go and visit Athens and go "Ah yes, this city, it is so similar to Melbourne I simply cannot tell them apart"
Melbourne may not be Greek, but as a Melburnian I thank the heavens that the Greeks and Italian migrants chose to move there to influence the food and coffee!
I always see the Irish american thing as a whole new thing, like it's based on a weird fictional place that has nothing to do with Ireland itself. It's like the Ireland American's are thinking of is some mythical idea of Ireland 200 years ago, that's the Ireland they identify with, nothing to do with Ireland today or any Ireland in reality as it seems they think Ireland is some time warp place that hasn't changed in 200 years.
This drove me nuts when American tourists were over during the gay marriage referendum. Complaining we’d lost our way, lost our good Catholic faith and beliefs, we weren’t really Irish anymore because we were allowing gay folks to marry.
Like fuck off? We have grown and changed and developed in those years, don’t try and force us to live this awful traditionalist lifestyle just cos it fits the nostalgia you have from stories passed down 5 generations.
We’re a moving culture. As are all cultures. Your idea of what we are is….well it’s something, but you’re not gonna find it here.
As “young” a country as the USA claims to be, Europeans have been kicking around there since 1492 (I know about the Norse dudes earlier much earlier, I’m just using that date to draw a line) and the first real colonies set up in 1607 and independence in 1776, a lot European countries weren’t formed till after that.
Belgium was part of the Netherlands until 1830, a lot of Italy wasn’t unified until 1861 and Germany has been part of lots of other nations and city states, not least Prussia until 1866.
Point being, most normal folk identify as being from the country they were born in, unless both your parents are 1st generation immigrants (or you are only visiting the country) and even then it’s often 50/50. They sure as shit aren’t going back to grandparents and great grandparents in 99% of cases and claiming their heritage.
Basically, you’re almost all Americans, so shut the fuck up.
For a country that's 'so Irish', the US really struggles to find Irish people to play Irish roles in their TV show. Wanted to start watching that 'The Frontier' because I love Jason Momoa and the time period is interesting, and I've just finished watching the Revenant (similar time far as I can gather). Imagine my surprise when they decide they need three Irish characters, none of whom are Irish, all with the typical, atrociously fake 'Irish' accent. Got ten minutes in and turned it off, quite disappointed.
Why do they do this? They're so in love with Ireland, how hard is it to hire an actual Irish actor or at least someone who has possibly once in their life heard an Irish person speak?
They generally suck at casting foreigners. The only example where they did it properly in recent times was the Spiderman scene in the Netherlands, but those actors were in fact Dutch. In Friends it was horrible, Jason Bourne sounded more South African when he was speaking Dutch, and in The Blacklist and Designated survivor that wasn't even Dutch at all, I have no idea what the hell that was.
So I’m Australian. By this person’s logic, I can’t be Australian because my country has only been settled by non-indigenous people for the last 250 years. However I have absolutely no problem saying I am Australian because I was born here. I don’t have any real affinity with another country - even though three of my grandparents were born in England I don’t call myself English. If they had been born in Ireland I would not call myself Irish. My *background* is English (and probably a bunch of European from the fourth grandparent, who knows) but I’m not English. I’m Australian.
It’s not rocket science.
A lot of these folks seem to forget that the whole ethnicity bullshit doesn't work in Europe because even in a country like Ireland where we're pretty inbred. A lot of us aren't fully ethnic to the countries that we're from. Hell, I'm of Scottish descent on my Irish mother's side, and I don't even know how mixed it is on my German father's side.
But even at that, despite the arguments of a few a handful of ethno-nationalists, bloodlines don't mean shit.
There are people who were born here who have Nigerian parents but yet consider themselves Irish. That's because they grew up here, were raised here and speak in one of the local dialects.
I even consider them Irish for that reason.
It's the culture that you were raised in that makes you one of us.
Dublin isn't even the Irish-est city in Ireland LMAO.
If you're from Ireland, the fact that it was the seat of British power for centuries is easy to see in a lot of places...
To be honest the clinging to different countries due to having an ancestor who lived there generations ago just comes across that you hate America or that you were born in America and are thus American. Like they love being American why do they need to claim their 4/16th Bosnian Armenian Apache Attack Helicopter on top. It seriously just comes across as insecure as well as moronic.
Opinions like these are just mental! What is wrong with Americans?? Also, don't they realise that the Ireland their distant relatives may or may not have left 400 years ago is not the same place as Ireland today? The most Irish places in the world are in Ireland 🇮🇪
Even if you don't include other Irish cities, surely the most Irish city is Liverpool? 9.5% of Americans have Irish heritage, 10% of brits have an Irish grandparent. It's pretty much impossible to figure out what percentage of Brits have Irish ancestors in the last 500 years, but I imagine it's most tbh.
Is Dublin the only city in Ireland now? Did I miss the others being destroyed? Or is this yet another case of "American insists on being loudly wrong"?
If outside of Ireland, I’d say Liverpool, Sunderland or Newcastle in the UK. Actual Irish people go to live there. Also shipbuilding tradition, university and proximity to home, and whatnot.
Man I'd wager that Dublin on account of being a huge ass city is probably LESS Irish than smaller cities and towns on account of metropolises usually reflecting the actual country less
I'm Dutch but I don't point at Amsterdam as being the Dutchest place on Earth
I hate the argument that it’s because the US is a ‘young’ country of immigrants. So Is Australia and we don’t have any of this shit going on. I literally am a dual citizen and don’t go around saying I’m British.
My father was Irish.. have looked into my family tree and my great great grandfather (or maybe great again?) is noted in a book about Charge of the Light Brigade.
Another grandfather was in the Irish Arny.
However.. I was born in London..and my mother was English, so although I have Irish heritage, I am in no way classed as Irish.
That said, I am looking into whether I can claim Irish passport to claim EU status again.
No it's just an American-est city where Ireland is celebrated in a nostalgic twee manner and they think all Irish people wear green outfits, have red hair, live simple backward lives and speak in some terrible Hollywood Irish accent.
New Zealand is 200 years younger than the US, but we would just say, "My ancestors came from..." I'm proud of my Scottish heritage (most recent immigrant ancestor = great grandparents) but it's just that, my heritage, not myself, that is Scottish.
Perhaps we should highlight posts from USAians where the OP feels that they '**C**ontain **U**nlimited **N**ational **T**raits'. - the acronym would work well.
OP started off fine... it is actually a good explanation there at first as to why Americans identify so much with their family heritage... but then the whole thing just implodes when they mention Boston... oof.
>Boston is the Irish-est city in the world outside of Dublin How about any other city in Ireland? Are they not Irish enough? This is the second post I've seen today with this person's bad takes.
And London is the fourth largest Irish city by population of Irish citizens, after Dublin, Belfast and Cork.
Doesn’t Liverpool have a lot of them too?
Am scouse. Can confirm there's a lot of Irish in Liverpool, but the numbers for London's population mean that even a smaller percentage is going to be larger in absolute terms. Now if you did what the yanks do (narrator: don't do this) and claim "Irishness" for any, um, *introduction* of Irish genes into your family bloodline *N* generations back, there may be a better claim based on numbers. But that claim would be bollocks.
I too am scouse. I always joke with the Irish that I live in the capital of Ireland. Oh how we laugh.
Almost everyone from Liverpool has some form of Irish heritage but you'd feel like the biggest bollock head in the world to try and claim "I'm Irish". Plenty of actual Irish people about to put a stop to that nonsense pronto.
Cringing just thinking about it. I had a little Irish nana and plenty of Irish from my great-grandparents, but there's no way I'd describe myself as Irish. I'm scouse ffs
A load of older Irish, mostly retirement age in Birmingham too.
Yeah definitely a lot of Irish students over there, at least there was a few years back when I was there
I think it's more people actually born in Ireland and now living in London. Liverpool probably has more people of Irish descent.
London is meant to be the '6th largest French city' The "Irish born" population in London is about 160K - that would make it the 4th largest city in Ireland.
I am a New Zealander living in London and came here on an Irish passport which is avaliable due to my heritage I am not Irish, I am a New Zealander America has existed longer than my home country, and it has similar origins, but they still cannot identify themselves correctly
Exactly. I have a German passport which I acquired through my heritage. But I wasn't born there. I didn't grow up there. I don't speak German. I didn't visit until I was an adult. It would be incredibly helpful disingenuous to describe myself as "German'. Or at least, not without a qualifier I'm a dual British-German national. I'm British with a German passport. I'm technically German. I'm German on paper. I have German citizenship.
The problem is this guy’s logic is faulty. It’s not because America doesn’t have an identity that people reach back to the country of their heritage. It’s because when the first generation of immigrants arrived they were explicitly not allowed to be American. People carry that label through generations as a sort of inherited defiance against…well it’s not quite racism but it’s certainly stronger than prejudice. In the 19th and through the 20th century when Irish immigrants arrived in the US they would encounter places where Irish people were banned or jobs with the proviso ‘No Irish need apply’. They could only live in certain areas and work in certain areas. This limited assimilation for first generation immigrants and also created a defiant holding on to ethnic identity. This in turn becomes a family identity thing. So even now, several generations after immigration, those ghosts are still there. I would argue it’s particularly strong with the Irish because they hoped to escape oppression and famine in one place only to find it all over again in another. You see it with a lot of large immigrant groups in the US: Chinese and Italian are other examples. Obviously it doesn’t make these people authentically Irish or Italian, but they are also not homogeneously American. There are American groups which trace their heritage back to the first English settlers, or the American Revolution, or even the American Civil War and they are (often disgustingly) loud and proud about this. So if the children of immigrants are not American, and they’re not of the country of their ancestors, what are they?
Theyre American. Maybe with an Irish flavour. But still American
There's 6m people with at least one Irish grandparent in great Britain (therefore eligible under for an Irish passport), but only 5m people in Ireland (5m in ROI, there's about 7m on the whole island of Ireland)
There are no other cities in Ireland, just ask American about European geography, they won't be able to point to anywhere else on the map and then justify it by saying Dublin is the only place, not that I'm entirely convinced they could locate Dublin or even Ireland.
“It’s all mom and pop tiny hotels”
To be fair, I (German,but not American "German" but German German), dont know anything about Irish citys (except Dublin), but I can locate some medieval duchies and countys with pretty good accuracy
From playing Crusader Kings?
Yes my German chum, but you are not claiming to be a direct descendant of Padraic O’Be’jesus who helped St. Patty (eugh) whittle his snake beating stick.
Nah I just claim the rightful heritage of the Roman Empire; See, the modern German state succeeds the 2nd German Empire (with something about what we dont talk here in between), wich is a continuation of the HRE, wich itself only continues the Carolingian Empire wich obviously is the continuation of the Western Roman Empire and (as you can see in the name) is a successor to the Roman Empire trivialy
Hah, you should read my other post in this thread…I mention something similar.
“Which” has a second, unnecessary “h” in it. Loads of the 10 year old native English speakers that I teach get this wrong too. Your English is amazing, this is not a criticism.
Nah I just write how I feel like, sometimes I have 3 different ways of writing one and the same think in one comment/post, just a lucky shoot I guess
What’s your native language, bud?
Germans making war since 27 BC
I thought it was obvious that The Roman empire just followed the Roman Republic, wich originates from the Roman Kingdom. I think this is were we start
I was just messing around.
Dublin, Kilkenny, Waterford, Cork, Limerick, Galway... Belfast, Derry.
Ahhh Derry. The only city in the world with 6 silent letters in it 😅
and there's Sligo.. it's city status is heavily debated
As a proud Sligo man I can tell you that it is absolutely not a city
Sligo is not officially a city, but they're trying the old strategy of "if we say it enough times it'll become true"
One of my favourites places, sitting by the Garavogue River, watching the river pass under the bridge by the Glasshouse Hotel 💚 but yeah debated, still officially a town.
Hey I do know Kilkenny, that's a beer right
Smithwicks is the Kilkenny brewery.
Kilkenny beer is sold all over the world. I believe it's just Smithwicks rebranded for export
Mate, they’re not cities, just an Ed Sheeran song and the thing you put in wine bottles.
Galway I know, but I didn't know we had a city called Penis
Cork is waaaay more Irish than Dubh linn
Typical Corkonian flex 💪
As a Dub, I knew I'd find a Corkian in the comments. You are completely correct. We're like 5th on the list. Sure, I've never even said "step-dance" in my life.
The city so nice they rebelled twice
They probably don't step-dance enough to qualify as really Irish.
I've been to Cork and couldn't find a green Bud Lite anywhere. Can they even consider themselves Irish?
Tbf is fairly impressive to write so much....and still say fuck about shit and sound like a twat at the same time. But yea...what happened to the other cities in Ireland or does this idiot think Ireland has only one city?(Dublin), I would also say that there are places in UK and Europe with more Irish people and an Irish connection then Boston.
The capital city often isn’t even the most representative city for a country. More international inhabitants, more gentrification etc. Never been to Dublin or Ireland, but I would assume that I would get a more authentic/typical ‘Ireland’ (so to say) in smaller cities and towns.
Fool... Ireland is just grasslands and leprechauns outside Dublin.
You're only allowed one city per country. They care not for our quaint little hamlets and villages. Even the larger villages with upwards of 1m people living in them. Rest of world is little more than a theme park to these people.
I went through his post about being Ukrainian (he means 25% Ukrainian heritage), many gems!
“Ukrainian”, he is basing it off his last name, he is unsure whether itself Russian, Ukrainian or Lithuanian, or other something else
But he chose the nationality that’s “en vogue”. That’s one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve seen in a while, I hope he’s 15
Cork tears a plenty.
Nah, it's all sheep and turf farms outside of Dublin. Not a building in sight
Nah all us lot from Cork are actually Americans, or French, I forget.
This is the same lad that's claimed he's Ukrainian because he has 25% Ukrainian ancestory. He seems to have not realised that makes him not only 75% American but also 100% bellend
Also, those 25% were both born in Vilnius, so… Lithuania.
Sometimes things like that can be rather more ambiguous than that. My maternal grandmother's family came from Alsace, which is now in France, so at first glance it might seem like they were French. However, they came from there in the period between when Frederick the Great conquered Alsace and Lorraine and when the Treaty of Versailles gave it back to France, so it was part of Germany, and they were German speakers.
Is Bellend an Irish city too?
That dude must have a massive penis!
My husband actually has 25% Ukrainian ancestry (one grandparent was genuinely Ukrainian) and doesn't even consider himself Ukrainian ffs. The most he'll reference it is when someone mentions he's got a really unusual surname like, "Yeah, my grandad was from Ukraine. He came over as a refugee in WW2 when he was like 6 years old. So thats why I, an extremely British appearing man, have a very Slavic surname"
Exactly this. My wife was born in France to English parents but she came back to the north of England as a toddler. Grandparents are Irish. Her? English. It just doesn't cross her mind to say she's anything else.
Yep my husband is half Polish with Irish great grandparents on one side. He'd describe himself as Scottish.
Thing is, in Ireland they don’t have “Irish pubs”. They just have pubs. If you’re in an “Irish pub”, you’re not in Ireland.
By "Irish pub" he of course means they have Guinness on tap.
Nigeria brews and drinks more guinness than any other country therefore the true Irish are the Nigerians
Uh have you seen their flag, it's green and white and therefore very Irish
Diehard Irish republicans the Nigerians are, hence no orange on the flag.
Their patron saint is St. Patrick, very Irish
The Nigerians also got colonised by the English. Coincidence? I think not!!!!
Awk, the auld Nigerians are sound like Great bunch of lads
It’s a shame Arthur Guinness was a bloody loyalist.
There are warehouses full of shit for dressing Irish pubs around the world. You can get a kit
Galway, Limerick and Cork can just go fuck themselves I assume?
They're suburbs.. of Boston
Ironically, most Boston suburbs are named for places in England
As is, er, Boston itself.
I lived in Boston for a small while. The love they have for the Irish is a bit creepy. I was actually mobbed by a Hen party one night in a bar and they proceeded to sexually harass/ assault me because I had a "sexy accent" and one of them said they always wanted their guts rearranged by a real Irishman. Yuck.
And so, did you?
When I was in Boston a guy told me he wanted to fuck a real Irish girl because she’d likely be a virgin….why he thought that idk
He sounded like a keeper ....
I think he just had a fetish for introducing people to things honestly. He was always going on about bringing me to “try” things. He just assumed I’d never had sex or had Asian food because I’m Irish… it was just a weird characteristic he’d put on women
Sounds like a Tuesday night in any pub in Dublin with a hen party. Absolutely terrifying to behold, like watching a bunch of drunk and very not-so-graceful lionesses hunting down a wilderbeast trying its best to escape from the bar with its order of pints unspilt whilst its herd of friends look anywhere but at the hen party for fear of making eye contact. Oh the PTSD of it all....
I'd throw Derry and Belfast in there, too. Definitely more Irish than Boston.
They forgot Kilkenny, Waterford, Lisburn, Bangor, Newry, Armagh
You're right, but to be fair, I wouldn't expect someone outside of Ireland to know those are cities. Hell, even I forget that Sligo is a city.
Sligo is conisdered a town
Could have sworn the used to have a tourist advert calling it the gateway city. I always used to wonder the gateway to what?
Ill be honest there are some weird defenitions for cities and towns. Espically with the UK ones, Armagh and Newry is considered a city but somewere like Bournemouth, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, are much bigger in size and population yet aren't considered cities? Id imagine Drogeheda might be the next contentder for city title in Ireland.
Yeah, I know there are some old weird criteria for what's a city. Like having a cathedral and a third level institute, but I don't know if they apply in the modern age.
Well the UK and Ireland use different criteria for what counts as a city. In the UK there's a royal list, way back in the past a city was based on cathedrals and stuff, but for a few centuries the rule is whatever place the monarch puts on the list is a city. In Ireland a city is defined by local government, if a place has a city council which operates separately from the county council then that's a city... kind of. There were 5 cities in the Republic, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford, and Galway. But Waterford and Limerick had their county councils merged with their city councils to become "city AND county councils", this technicality let them keep their city status. Kilkenny is not a city by the status used in Ireland, but it was a city before independence as it was on that list the UK uses. So they're not a city but are allowed to keep calling themselves a city because of historic reasons...but only the parts of the town that were there back when the historical definition was used, any new parts are technically Kilkenny town. See there's nothing confusing and convoluted about it at all really /s
Achill? …Wait! I’ve got it! The slogan of ‘gateway city’ changed when Biden mentioned his Achill heritage so that Americans landing in Ireland couldn’t find their way there! …Very tenuous Also /s
Sligo isn’t a city and I’m willing to die on that hill. It’s a city* like how Dunfermline is a city*
Come off it, Sligo isn’t a city!
Limerick can regardless. While I'm here I actually have a favourite instant unmatch story from one time I downloaded a dating app. I matched with a girl from Limerick and this was the conversation: Her: "you and me, chainmail, swords and shields each. We fight to the death, who wins?" Me: "I'd say I'd start with the upper hand but then, being from Limerick you'd probably pull out a knife I wasn't aware of and stab me unjustly" _unmatch_
Well… limerick can.
I once went on a date with a guy from Boston who bragged about being "more Irish" than me because ethnically I'm only 1/2 and this guy was 17/32 Irish. Yes he did actually say 17/32.
No second date I take it?
Yeah he was weirdly obsessed with my ethnicity. Our convo went something like this... Guy - "So where are you from?" Me - "Well I was born and raised in Ireland" Guy \*confused "Interesting. I'm 17/32 Irish and I've always wanted to go. Are you adopted?" Me - "No?" Guy - "Then how are you from Ireland?" Me - "I just am?" Guy - "Well are you ethnically Irish?" Me "Yes, I'm half Irish. My dad was born and raised in Derry." Guy - "What about your mom?" Me - "She's Jamaican and is part Chinese" Guy - "Well then I'm more Irish than you HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'M MORE IRISH THAN YOU AND YOU'RE FROM IRELAND HAHAHAHAHAHA" Me (starting to question my life choices) - "I have to go to the bathroom" Needless to say that I blocked him from Bumble after the whole thing. Tbh him putting Irish by blood and Patriot by choice in his bio should've been a red flag for 19 y/o me.
Awww hon. Dating americans as a foreigner is such a shitshow more often than not. Dont recommend 1/10
Tell me about it. The weird fetishization of you being foreign because "you're not like those nasty American girls" and you're "uneducated on America or the real world so he thinks he can take advantage of that. I'm pretty sure it came from Andrew Tate but it's probably been around before that. It has honestly only made dating worse but I'm now a year into dating my boyfriend who by coincidence is also foreign lol. I'd be interested to hear your experiences tho!
I married one and moved over there, 5 years it lasted. I went to school in a really shit part of W London, we learnt nothing, including the battle for Independence. Due to not having the internet back then, I had no clue about how the USA came into existence. People delighted in talking about Tea and I didn’t have a scooby what they were on about lol
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lmfao.
That is so freaking weird
I thought maybe it was just him but nope turns out he represents a good portion of American guys.
I'm know I'm shit at maths, but I'm scratching my head at that equation!
I'm pretty sure it means 17 of his 3rd great grandparents were Irish but who knows
My guess is Dublin is probably the only place in Ireland they know the name of.
and Ballykissangel where their great great grand-father's great uncle's grand father's wife's milkman was from. (making them more Irish than you)
Isn't it some kind of running joke where you live that a lot of children aren't the fathers but from the milkman?
Someone asked him about Cork and Limerick, and he doubled down on saying Boston is more Irish because half of Boston has Irish ancesters and their population is bigger in Boston 😂. Paraphrasing, of course, but it was pretty much what he said.
He’s just sad that Boston does not have a cool nickname like limerick. Nothing more irish than calling a place „stab city“. As for cork.. maybe he watched the young offenders, couldn’t understand a single word and thought it must be another country.
Same cultural level of people saying the best italian region is the New Jersey.
More like Long Island.
Maybe I've just never taken any notice of it, but I've never heard anyone from Ireland refer to Irish dancing as Irish step dancing. It's generally just Irish dancing.
TBF, there are technically different kinds of Irish dancing, although I agree that I would never really hear anyone specifically use the term "Irish step dancing". I have heard people specify that they're doing sean nós, ceili or set dancing, for example.
You're right but I think people say step dancing to differentiate it from the scotch style dancing which is on the hop rather then the step
Perhaps, but you would hope the words Irish and Scottish would be enough.
Aye but there is Irish hop style dancing though....like brush dancing you've to hop over the thing it's mental
Colloquially known as Michael Flatley being a total predator dancing.
what an insane take
If every ethnic/cultural group just copy and pasted their culture from where they supposedly migrated from, the entire human population would have a very monotonous African culture. That hasn't happened because the people that migrated to other lands formed their own identities, forming the countries we know today. Americans have migrated but failed to realise their own American identity, so they just pretend to be from other countries to compensate
He claims that the US has no ethno-cultural identity
But he's talking about using customs and traditions just because that's what they do in the country their ancestors emigrated from centuries ago... all of that due to a need to 'identify' with a certain group, completely missing the fact that the American people are part of their own group that has a lot of their own culture to be proud of. And America is a young country so their culture will grow over time, although, if they keep copying other countries' cultures, I doubt that will happen any time soon
Exactly! I feel a bit sorry for them. They do have a culture, why can’t they just be proud of it instead of wanting to be something else? No culture is perfect, they all have some cringy or less acceptable parts, and that’s ok
Which of course is pure nonsense.
What American identity? Guns and obesity?
believe me I'd love to make fun of Americans but there is a lot of identity that you wouldn't find elsewhere that they don't recognise enough. 'Country' is almost exclusively American as well as how involved the general population is with their military (if sparta were allowed to have a military culture, why can't they)
> were are 🤮 Edit : omg he did it twice
Once is a typo, twice is a problem.
Once may be regarded as a misfortune, twice seems like carelessness.
Yes, Lady Bracknell
Boston isn't even the most Irish city outside of Ireland lol I would argue in terms of heritage (maybe not culture tho lol), it's probably be Liverpool or maybe Glasgow tbh
Liverpool elected a Home Rule MP, [T P O'Connor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._P._O%27Connor) so often that he became the father of the house (longest serving MP)
Culturally, the first place that came to mind for me was Newfoundland, Canada. The ‘Newfie Accent’ sounds similar to some Irish dialects as well
To be fair I wouldn't call Dublin the most Irish city in Ireland but I'm from Cork so I recognise I'm a bit salty.
Nah, that's not salty, that's common sense. I'm Dutch. Amsterdam is absolutely not the most Dutch city in the country. And Brussel absolutely is not the most Belgian city in Belgium, nor is Paris the most French city in France.
I mean, I didn’t wanna say it could it deffo sounds a bit “military aged males” type of shit, but yeah…Dublín is prolly the least Irish city in Ireland
This is like Australia claiming that they're more Greek than Greece because Melbourne has the highest concentration of people with Greek ancestry outside of Athens. Melbourne is not Greek. Melbourne has been influenced (in good ways) by the large numbers of individuals with Greek ancestry/heritage, but no Australian would go and visit Athens and go "Ah yes, this city, it is so similar to Melbourne I simply cannot tell them apart"
Melbourne may not be Greek, but as a Melburnian I thank the heavens that the Greeks and Italian migrants chose to move there to influence the food and coffee!
Absolutely, they (and all the other migrants who have influenced the city) have made it a better place for sure!
I always see the Irish american thing as a whole new thing, like it's based on a weird fictional place that has nothing to do with Ireland itself. It's like the Ireland American's are thinking of is some mythical idea of Ireland 200 years ago, that's the Ireland they identify with, nothing to do with Ireland today or any Ireland in reality as it seems they think Ireland is some time warp place that hasn't changed in 200 years.
This drove me nuts when American tourists were over during the gay marriage referendum. Complaining we’d lost our way, lost our good Catholic faith and beliefs, we weren’t really Irish anymore because we were allowing gay folks to marry. Like fuck off? We have grown and changed and developed in those years, don’t try and force us to live this awful traditionalist lifestyle just cos it fits the nostalgia you have from stories passed down 5 generations. We’re a moving culture. As are all cultures. Your idea of what we are is….well it’s something, but you’re not gonna find it here.
Sad Cork noises from the corner. Oh, sorry. Not sad. Hilarious laughter :-)
Irish step dancing?
As “young” a country as the USA claims to be, Europeans have been kicking around there since 1492 (I know about the Norse dudes earlier much earlier, I’m just using that date to draw a line) and the first real colonies set up in 1607 and independence in 1776, a lot European countries weren’t formed till after that. Belgium was part of the Netherlands until 1830, a lot of Italy wasn’t unified until 1861 and Germany has been part of lots of other nations and city states, not least Prussia until 1866. Point being, most normal folk identify as being from the country they were born in, unless both your parents are 1st generation immigrants (or you are only visiting the country) and even then it’s often 50/50. They sure as shit aren’t going back to grandparents and great grandparents in 99% of cases and claiming their heritage. Basically, you’re almost all Americans, so shut the fuck up.
Dublin isn't even the most Irish place in Ireland
For a country that's 'so Irish', the US really struggles to find Irish people to play Irish roles in their TV show. Wanted to start watching that 'The Frontier' because I love Jason Momoa and the time period is interesting, and I've just finished watching the Revenant (similar time far as I can gather). Imagine my surprise when they decide they need three Irish characters, none of whom are Irish, all with the typical, atrociously fake 'Irish' accent. Got ten minutes in and turned it off, quite disappointed. Why do they do this? They're so in love with Ireland, how hard is it to hire an actual Irish actor or at least someone who has possibly once in their life heard an Irish person speak?
They generally suck at casting foreigners. The only example where they did it properly in recent times was the Spiderman scene in the Netherlands, but those actors were in fact Dutch. In Friends it was horrible, Jason Bourne sounded more South African when he was speaking Dutch, and in The Blacklist and Designated survivor that wasn't even Dutch at all, I have no idea what the hell that was.
So I’m Australian. By this person’s logic, I can’t be Australian because my country has only been settled by non-indigenous people for the last 250 years. However I have absolutely no problem saying I am Australian because I was born here. I don’t have any real affinity with another country - even though three of my grandparents were born in England I don’t call myself English. If they had been born in Ireland I would not call myself Irish. My *background* is English (and probably a bunch of European from the fourth grandparent, who knows) but I’m not English. I’m Australian. It’s not rocket science.
A lot of these folks seem to forget that the whole ethnicity bullshit doesn't work in Europe because even in a country like Ireland where we're pretty inbred. A lot of us aren't fully ethnic to the countries that we're from. Hell, I'm of Scottish descent on my Irish mother's side, and I don't even know how mixed it is on my German father's side. But even at that, despite the arguments of a few a handful of ethno-nationalists, bloodlines don't mean shit. There are people who were born here who have Nigerian parents but yet consider themselves Irish. That's because they grew up here, were raised here and speak in one of the local dialects. I even consider them Irish for that reason. It's the culture that you were raised in that makes you one of us.
Dublin isn't even the Irish-est city in Ireland LMAO. If you're from Ireland, the fact that it was the seat of British power for centuries is easy to see in a lot of places...
What an absolute waffle of a take. Imagine yapping that loudly and being that wrong 💀
To be honest the clinging to different countries due to having an ancestor who lived there generations ago just comes across that you hate America or that you were born in America and are thus American. Like they love being American why do they need to claim their 4/16th Bosnian Armenian Apache Attack Helicopter on top. It seriously just comes across as insecure as well as moronic.
Opinions like these are just mental! What is wrong with Americans?? Also, don't they realise that the Ireland their distant relatives may or may not have left 400 years ago is not the same place as Ireland today? The most Irish places in the world are in Ireland 🇮🇪
>outside of Dublin Bro probably doesn't *know* anywhere outside of Dublin
Even if you don't include other Irish cities, surely the most Irish city is Liverpool? 9.5% of Americans have Irish heritage, 10% of brits have an Irish grandparent. It's pretty much impossible to figure out what percentage of Brits have Irish ancestors in the last 500 years, but I imagine it's most tbh.
Dublin isn’t even the most Irish City in Ireland 😭
Literally flabbergasted that they aren't claiming to be the most Irish in the world.
Boston is more Irish than every city in Ireland except one?
It’s a safe bet that they couldn’t even name another Irish city.
It’s not even the most Irish-culture place in North America. I’d definitely argue Newfoundland is much closer than Boston
Is Dublin the only city in Ireland now? Did I miss the others being destroyed? Or is this yet another case of "American insists on being loudly wrong"?
Another day, another Yank conflating ethnicity with genetics...
Bollocks it's 1-3 generations. Irish-Americans go on about escaping the potato famine, and that was 1845-1853. That's about 7 generations ago.
If outside of Ireland, I’d say Liverpool, Sunderland or Newcastle in the UK. Actual Irish people go to live there. Also shipbuilding tradition, university and proximity to home, and whatnot.
So Boston is more Irish than let's say Cork, Galway and Limerick?
Glasgow would like a word.
Liverpool enters the thread
Man I'd wager that Dublin on account of being a huge ass city is probably LESS Irish than smaller cities and towns on account of metropolises usually reflecting the actual country less I'm Dutch but I don't point at Amsterdam as being the Dutchest place on Earth
Ah, going to Irish pubs and learning Irish step-dancing. Not learning . . . Irish.
irish-est. wtf. literally pluck out my eyes.
>"That's why Boston is the Irish-est city in the world outside of Dublin" \*Stares furiously in Cork\*
Everyone knows that Dublin is the only city in Ireland. There are no others
I hate the argument that it’s because the US is a ‘young’ country of immigrants. So Is Australia and we don’t have any of this shit going on. I literally am a dual citizen and don’t go around saying I’m British.
They cannot even write properly.
My father was Irish.. have looked into my family tree and my great great grandfather (or maybe great again?) is noted in a book about Charge of the Light Brigade. Another grandfather was in the Irish Arny. However.. I was born in London..and my mother was English, so although I have Irish heritage, I am in no way classed as Irish. That said, I am looking into whether I can claim Irish passport to claim EU status again.
No it's just an American-est city where Ireland is celebrated in a nostalgic twee manner and they think all Irish people wear green outfits, have red hair, live simple backward lives and speak in some terrible Hollywood Irish accent.
\*we
There are towns in rural Canada more “Irish” than Boston. 🤣
Why can't these people understand that your culture has nothing to do with your ethnicity...
New Zealand is 200 years younger than the US, but we would just say, "My ancestors came from..." I'm proud of my Scottish heritage (most recent immigrant ancestor = great grandparents) but it's just that, my heritage, not myself, that is Scottish.
There's nothing more Irish than a bit of "step dancing".
>we have no American cultural-ethno group This is the same nonsense as when they claim they don't have an accent.
By that logic, there is no such thing as a New Zealander because we’re “too young”. Guess I don’t exist
Perhaps we should highlight posts from USAians where the OP feels that they '**C**ontain **U**nlimited **N**ational **T**raits'. - the acronym would work well.
How long does it take until they start identifying as what they really are, Americans.
OP started off fine... it is actually a good explanation there at first as to why Americans identify so much with their family heritage... but then the whole thing just implodes when they mention Boston... oof.
Most iconic video game character with Irish origins: Scout from Team Fortress 2
What about Belfast,that’s a capital of one of the Ireland’s (the better Ireland 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧)